Welcome to Ever Changing Seasons Mafia, a mafia game designed around changing roles. Reviewed by Osie and Cantripmancer. I am incredibly excited to run this game, due to this game having a mechanic that I think is very interesting for players and design space. This game took inspiration from the Seasons Mafia that was run on this site, and for me represents the first in a line of planned games of increasing complexity playing around a few core mechanics.
Ever Changing Seasons Mafia is a Specialty game designed for 17 players.
Days will be three weeks long and lose one and a half days per player slot to leave the game.
With less than or equal to seven players, the days will be one week long.
Night Phases will be 48 hours long.
If players feel strongly about different day/night lengths comment in thread or send me a message I’m open to changing this before starting the game.
A note on the scum team:
Mafia have daychat, and the factional kill is assigned, and it can be used alongside any other actions.
Game Specific Rules
Ever Changing Seasons Mafia has advancing seasons. The game can be in one of four seasons: Spring, Summer, Fall, or Winter, in that order. Every 2 deaths advances the season forward(The lynch counts toward the deaths).
Abilities are gained and lost depending on what season it currently is. If abilities do not specify that they are a season ability they may be used at any time unless otherwise specified.
DV -Neutral Moderator
Summer Ability - Prod Lurker
Each Night in Summer you may prod any target player each night that has below 5 posts.
Winter Ability - Mod Kill
Each Day in Winter you may kill target player for disruption to the game.
#0: I am the mod and I reserve the rights to change these rules.
I am the final arbiter of role interactions and game rule infringements. I will never lie or intentionally mislead you. If you have a problem with a ruling I make, please shelve it until after the game. To the best of my and my reviewers' knowledge, this is not a bastard game.
#1: Have fun, be respectful towards the other players and follow the normal forum rules. This is a game, which we're playing for fun.
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While I don't care about cursing, I will report, replace, and/or modkill you for derogatory content, in particular, slurs, in relation to another user or person, at my own reasonable discretion.
#2: Keep the out-of-game separate from the in-game. This is a modkillable offence.
DO NOT talk about this game outside of this thread and quicktopic links or PMs given to you in your role PM or approved by me. Please ensure I am copied in on any out-of-game messages sent to other players.
DO NOT directly quote or screenshot your role PM or any private communications (QuickTopics, etc.) when posting in the main game thread. This includes mason chats and scum chats. Please paraphrase - if you are in doubt, ask me before posting!
When generating (or faking, as applicable) reads, please do not use angleshooting or out of game knowledge, to the best of your ability. This means do not use the timing, reasons, or order of substitutions and modkills to influence others, do not use the timing or phrasing of role PMs to influence others, do not make alignment bets with out of game consequences, and do not use “trust tells” or similar. This list is not exhaustive.
#3: DO NOT edit, delete, or thank posts. Even if it’s an accidental double post. This is a modkillable offense.
#4: No funny business. DO NOT use invisible text, cryptography, tiny writing, hidden messages, acronym/alphabet claims, or similar. DO NOT post after you are dead. DO NOT post if you are not a player. This is a reportable/modkillable offense.
#5: Post game-related content at least once every 48 hours. LET'S MAKE THIS A REPLACEMENT-FREE GAME, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
If you have not posted in 48 hours, you will be prodded. Failing to respond to the prod within 48 hours will lead to your replacement. Content is, of course, subjective, but “Posting to avoid prod,” “catching up,” or similar short not-really-game-related posts are obviously not content. If you need to be absent for an extended period of time please post “V/LA until [Date]” in bold on its own line in the thread so that I and the other players know when you’ll be back. You do not need to explain your reasons for being absent in thread. If you will be gone for more than four or five days you should consider requesting replacement.
#6: I make no promises about public answers to any question. If you have a question about your role or a rules interaction, please communicate with me privately.
I will be particularly unlikely to answer questions posed to me in the game thread other than questions about vote counts or deadlines. If you raise a question in a private message that needs addressing to the entire game (regarding a special rule or similar), I will respond as I feel is appropriate.
#7: By confirming that you have received your Role PM you also confirm that you have read it. Not reading your Role PM is a reportable offense.
#8: Once lynch threshold is reached, votes are considered locked in. Votes and unvotes made after that will not be counted. (This is known as the Twilight phase.)
#9: If deadline is reached and no player has reached lynch threshold, the day ends with no lynch.
#10: Make your votes clear to the mod. BOLD your votes and place them on separate line.
Unbolded votes will not be counted, nor will votes in the middle of a huge wall of text. Unvoting is helpful but is not required.
#11: Scum players may submit actions for other scum players if the other scum player has not submitted an action. However, if the other player ever submits an action, their fellow scum cannot change what that player submitted.
TL;DR: Be excellent to each other, post something substantial every 48 hours, ask me questions in private when possible, don’t edit or delete posts, no funny business involving cryptography, etc. and... have fun, that’s the whole point.
I'd love to play but I've been putting off these Curse of Strahd notes for way too long. I'm trying to run Strahd for some friends and it's so sandboxy and nonlinear... it's just a huge undertaking and I keep joining games of Mafia and so therefore put it off more.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I would recommend increasing Day length to 3 weeks until there are like 12-ish players. Two weeks for 17 players seems a bit short. A good rule of thumb I've seen (and used) in the past is 1.5 RL days x the number of living players for day length.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Welcome to Ever Changing Seasons Mafia, a mafia game designed around changing roles. Reviewed by Osie and Cantripmancer. I am incredibly excited to run this game, due to this game having a mechanic that I think is very interesting for players and design space. This game took inspiration from the Seasons Mafia that was run on this site, and for me represents the first in a line of planned games of increasing complexity playing around a few core mechanics.
Ever Changing Seasons Mafia is a Specialty game designed for 17 players.
Days will be three weeks long and lose one and a half days per player slot to leave the game.
With less than or equal to seven players, the days will be one week long.
Night Phases will be 48 hours long.
If players feel strongly about different day/night lengths comment in thread or send me a message I’m open to changing this before starting the game.
A note on the scum team:
Mafia have daychat, and the factional kill is assigned, and it can be used alongside any other actions.
Ever Changing Seasons Mafia has advancing seasons. The game can be in one of four seasons: Spring, Summer, Fall, or Winter, in that order. Every 2 deaths advances the season forward(The lynch counts toward the deaths).
Abilities are gained and lost depending on what season it currently is. If abilities do not specify that they are a season ability they may be used at any time unless otherwise specified.
DV -Neutral Moderator
Summer Ability - Prod Lurker
Each Night in Summer you may prod any target player each night that has below 5 posts.
Winter Ability - Mod Kill
Each Day in Winter you may kill target player for disruption to the game.
#1: Have fun, be respectful towards the other players and follow the normal forum rules. This is a game, which we're playing for fun.
Mafia is a game, we’re here to have fun. Please be respectful of your fellow players. Sometimes emotions run high and we get caught up in the moment. That is not an excuse for flaming or poor sportsmanship.
Also, remember that image leeching is not allowed on MTGSalvation.
While profanity itself is not against the forum rules, and you are free to include profanity in your posts as appropriate, certain words are automatically censored by forum software. Do not attempt to evade the censor. Self-censoring, any attempt to 'cheat' a word past the censor, or attempting to clarify what a censored word is, are all considered censor evasion. If you're going to swear, just swear.
While I don't care about cursing, I will report, replace, and/or modkill you for derogatory content, in particular, slurs, in relation to another user or person, at my own reasonable discretion.
#2: Keep the out-of-game separate from the in-game. This is a modkillable offence.
#3: DO NOT edit, delete, or thank posts. Even if it’s an accidental double post. This is a modkillable offense.
#4: No funny business. DO NOT use invisible text, cryptography, tiny writing, hidden messages, acronym/alphabet claims, or similar. DO NOT post after you are dead. DO NOT post if you are not a player. This is a reportable/modkillable offense.
#5: Post game-related content at least once every 48 hours. LET'S MAKE THIS A REPLACEMENT-FREE GAME, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
#6: I make no promises about public answers to any question. If you have a question about your role or a rules interaction, please communicate with me privately.
#7: By confirming that you have received your Role PM you also confirm that you have read it. Not reading your Role PM is a reportable offense.
#8: Once lynch threshold is reached, votes are considered locked in. Votes and unvotes made after that will not be counted. (This is known as the Twilight phase.)
#9: If deadline is reached and no player has reached lynch threshold, the day ends with no lynch.
#10: Make your votes clear to the mod. BOLD your votes and place them on separate line.
#11: Scum players may submit actions for other scum players if the other scum player has not submitted an action. However, if the other player ever submits an action, their fellow scum cannot change what that player submitted.
TL;DR: Be excellent to each other, post something substantial every 48 hours, ask me questions in private when possible, don’t edit or delete posts, no funny business involving cryptography, etc. and... have fun, that’s the whole point.
1. Copy
2. Hide
3. Bus Drive
4. Block
5. Redirect
6. Protect
7. Miscellaneous
8. Kill
9. Recruit
10.Inspect
Players Signed Up 17/17
1. Silvercrys3467
2. Lastwhisper
3. shadowlancerx
4. Vaimes
5. KittyCupCake
6. vezokpriaka
7. Rhand
8. dkingsland967
9. M1ndreaver
10. Axelrod
11. Killjoy
12. tomsloger
13. Slothful
14. Gemma
15. Nachomamma8
16. fulcrum
17. Asta
Spectators:
1. Tammy
Replacements:
1. Bur
2. Shinichi
3. Prophylaxis
4. Thousand_Winds
5. Azrael
Looking forward to trolling during the spring, summer and fall, and being very good for winter, since that’s when DV has modkill powers
Be happy that DV doesn't live in Finland like I do.
/replace
People aren’t posting their favorite seasons. I am disappoint.
Autumn is best. I like winter as long as I don’t actually have to go outside.
Favorite season is Tarragon
We're really going to do Seasons Mafia again? Looking forward to kpaca'ing at endgame if that is the case.
I'm not opposed to this autumn where we still have 25C in November (this never happened before)
Thanks to DNC at Heroes of the plane studios for this awesome sig and SGT_Chubbz for the awesome avy.
Check out the Shop Thread
I will /spectate though as this game looks fun.
My favorite season is any that allows me to sit on a terrace with a beer.
I would recommend increasing Day length to 3 weeks until there are like 12-ish players. Two weeks for 17 players seems a bit short. A good rule of thumb I've seen (and used) in the past is 1.5 RL days x the number of living players for day length.
Deadlines of 12 weeks, change abilities based on IRL seasons
Thanks to DNC at Heroes of the plane studios for this awesome sig and SGT_Chubbz for the awesome avy.
Check out the Shop Thread
Winter 4 life