Dude I didn't realize that we were almost in lylo, I was out, I had to drive back from Mass, and then I went to work lmao, and now I'm here till midnight
We have 2 week day phases, not 48 hours, I stopped bulldozing the thread, this is not an alignment thing, I can top post as either alignment if I want, or completely slank if I want, I just slanked a little more because I wanted to do other stuff when I was home, and didn't know day 3 would be lylo if we mislynched here
Also yeah we have two weeks but, people tend to waste a lot of that time because there's so much time, and then we get to deadline and everyone cries "extension, extension!"
Unvote, vote Rhand
The role is ~probably real, unless scum!shadow left very detailed notes for his replacement.
Looks like we're back to the lunch pool of [Rhand, Meg, Cantrip, KCC]. Still don't see KJ or Emiko as scum.
Dude I didn't realize that we were almost in lylo, I was out, I had to drive back from Mass, and then I went to work lmao, and now I'm here till midnight
We have 2 week day phases, not 48 hours, I stopped bulldozing the thread, this is not an alignment thing, I can top post as either alignment if I want, or completely slank if I want, I just slanked a little more because I wanted to do other stuff when I was home, and didn't know day 3 would be lylo if we mislynched here
And that's fine, I understand all of that, and I want you to know I really wasn't pressuring you to post right this second, I only wanted to make it clear that your next post should be a claim, because none of your prior posts today showed you were planning to do that. And it'd be nice to get some actual informed discussion in D2
I do want to talk about the claim sone, but I'll hold that a bit
Regarding last: I might have misunderstood his posts, because I thought he was just being sarcastic saying he won't claim because he already did.
Now I see that he was just being a smartass. My opinion of him has dropped somewhat, but I still think he is probably town. I think that last gets way too emotional in mafia games and starts doing weird stuff that antagonizes the other players and is not really conductive to good analysis.
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I'm still not sure I want to do this. I was really hoping you'd just walk back your claim, but with Tomorrow as potential Lylo, I don't think I have a choice here. -Either it's a scum Gambit (and I refuse to just hand you the game) or this game was designed to implode (and oh well then, not my fault).
Anyway, hi, Cop here, probably need to deal with this.
I'm still not sure I want to do this. I was really hoping you'd just walk back your claim, but with Tomorrow as potential Lylo, I don't think I have a choice here. -Either it's a scum Gambit (and I refuse to just hand you the game) or this game was designed to implode (and oh well then, not my fault).
Anyway, hi, Cop here, probably need to deal with this.
I like how you don't claim who you targeted on night 1 to make the claim more believable.
I don't really buy this claim. A full cop in this setup seems a bit absurd.
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yikes, this game just got interesting, I am not going to jump to any conclusions as of yet
the chance of you being a scum role cop is possible, which ccing me today almost certainly gets you killed tomorrow once I flip town unless you have the finesse to wiggle out of it
you are claiming a 1-shot alignment cop im presuming? are you willing to give out your check?
in a world where you are real, it is almost certain wolves have a way to disable it
I need some time to go through your iso, in the meantime, I am going to sleep
as well as actually claiming a full cop in an MTGS setup...
we probably have to lynch one of me or you now, and I probably lose that battle
anyways, sleep
in a world where you are real, it is almost certain wolves have a way to disable it
I've been running that through my head, like what could you even give scum, if that's the setup? Do you throw a RB or redirect against two 1shot abilities and an ability immune to it? A bulletproof would turn the vigshot too far antitown. Is the scum just 3 goons, with the special power of -wait for town to cannibalize itself? I don't see how it could work
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I mean, the obvious choice is chrcking last and confirming both me and him. I don't think there is any other choice that would make sense in this situation.
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I mean, the obvious choice is chrcking last and confirming both me and him. I don't think there is any other choice that would make sense in this situation.
I mean, the obvious choice is chrcking last and confirming both me and him. I don't think there is any other choice that would make sense in this situation.
I considered it, but figured/hoped he'd be NKed
The best play for scum is to shoot me, not last. Shooting last just confirms me as town.
It's very sketcky that you didn't check on him.
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The best play for scum is to shoot me, not last. Shooting last just confirms me as town.
It's very sketcky that you didn't check on him.
I also assumed a townLast was going to admit it was a gambit if he survived. And otherwise we'd lynch him because it's too much info for a mini. It seemed redundant
I don't know why I'm overthinking this. I'm not moving my vote. The way Last claimed Yesterday felt designed to bait a CC where he could slip out of it saying it wasn't serious. And not claiming at the start of Today feels like he was waiting to see if either a CC was coming, or if it was safe to lean into the Gambit.
Anyway, I'm just going to share my check now, I realized I'm not going to get much more from holding it now that me/last are the obvious discussion Today. Emi is Town. I wasn't confident I could read her if scum, and if town, I didn't think she'd be NKed, and I think scum might see her as a viable softtarget for mislynch.
In the meantime, I'd like to know what you think of everyone else. And maybe what you believe the scumteam to be.
I think you're Town for taking Emi of the table in your read list.
I think KJ is town, because I'm confident I can still read him until proven otherwise.
I think rhand is scum with Last. He wanted to leave the door open to multiple info roles, and pounced on Emi Today. I know being wrong doesn't mean scum, but it's also exactly what I was expecting scum to do and kinda the point of checking Emi.
I don't think Trip is scum with rhand.
I don't think Vez is gambiting with Last.
So... Meg scum
I don't know why I'm overthinking this. I'm not moving my vote. The way Last claimed Yesterday felt designed to bait a CC where he could slip out of it saying it wasn't serious. And not claiming at the start of Today feels like he was waiting to see if either a CC was coming, or if it was safe to lean into the Gambit.
Anyway, I'm just going to share my check now, I realized I'm not going to get much more from holding it now that me/last are the obvious discussion Today. Emi is Town. I wasn't confident I could read her if scum, and if town, I didn't think she'd be NKed, and I think scum might see her as a viable softtarget for mislynch.
You seriously checked the person mostly everyone is townreading heavily? Hell she is my strongest town read.
Right now if we gotta lynch one of last or KCC to confirm the roles, I'd rather lynch KCC. The check simply makes no sense. The explanation feels fake. Last might have danved around the question, but at least his play and shadow's play made sense.
Like if you want to confirm someone why not check on Cantrip or someone similar ffs.
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Like I was trying to get a real cop to cc me? Where exactly did you infer that? I was trying to tank the NK with my claim, I had no reason to believe there was another informative role
You seriously checked the person mostly everyone is townreading heavily? Hell she is my strongest town read.
I probably wouldn't make the same choice right now, but her posts have been much stronger Today.
I had a slight townRead at EOD, but she was the biggest potential behavior blindspot. And I was a bit skeptical of how many wrote her off as new townie with barely any push back
And no I wanted to hold on to the information longer, until I realized tomorrow would be lylo if we mislynched
And if you are town, this would makes sense too. I'm definitely not accusing you of misplaying if you are Town, I just can't see how we could mislynch + misvig, and still end up with 5 of 9 players confirmed D2 for an auto win. It doesn't work, it's ridiculous
There really isn't anything wrong with her check...
What does this even have to do with confirming voices? A cop should pick someone, who's less likely to be night killed and null, I mean outside of thinking someone is a wolf and checking them, that's fine as well
The problem is her claim is just easy to fake, and Emiko tells us literally nothing about the game state, since he really wasn't that null to others
I think that KCC is town here. Her play this game of poking around is EXACTLY how a cop would probably act. Of the two I'd lynch Wisp, but I want it to be said that I don't actually want to lynch between them until we have a full claim going on. I'd like to know the full set up before I decide there's a dichotomy. I can't remember the game, but there were two roleblockers on town and I think we lost because of that in it.
I'm still on town Rhand. My view on him is similar to KCC's view on me. I'm confident I can read him. I think he's town this game.
I actually think Wisp+Vezok is a very real possibility given Vezok's play+positions. She hasn't given Wisp a fair shake, I feel.
My world is kinda at Megs < Wisp(+Vezok?) < Vaimes < Cantrip.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
TBF I was very confused by Emiko end of D1. If she wasn't new, I was having trouble sorting her. Hence my questioning of her today. I don't think the shot was as bad as you're saying Vaimes. I might have made it too (which I suppose isn't necessarily an argument that it's not a bad shot. lol).
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Precisely because it’s easy and doesn’t help the game state at all. And what vezok said about checking someone who isn’t familiar with site meta.
Hey, my other top choice was Silver, it could have really been unhelpful.
And no, I don't want to clear a respected analyst. Make the scum choose between NKing confirmed townies and NKs on solving threats. Why give them two birds with one stone?
Precisely because it’s easy and doesn’t help the game state at all. And what vezok said about checking someone who isn’t familiar with site meta.
Hey, my other top choice was Silver, it could have really been unhelpful.
And no, I don't want to clear a respected analyst. Make the scum choose between NKing confirmed townies and NKs on solving threats. Why give them two birds with one stone?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Say the scumteam is Vaimes/Meg/Cantrip. That means KCC and Last are telling the truth. That means Emiko and vezok are town. Assuming we can't bully the town into lunching between the Cop claims, that leaves you and Rhand as our only viable mislunches. I don't ~think any of the three of us are scumreading you, though to be fair I don't know what Meg thinks about anything. No one really seems interested in killing Rhand, either, except me and maybe KCC.
In fact, I don't think anyone has made a serious push on you this game. How exactly does that scumteam work?
I've read cantrip's big post and I'm struggling to see why would scum Cantrip walk back on his emiko read instead of going balls to the walls against it. I'm less convinced he is scum right now. Like I'd assume scum Cantrip would pivot onto someone else instead of spending words doing almost nothing. The defense against role fishing sounds a bit iffy still, but the rest of the post is just sincere. Being a leading lynch candidate for today and simply backpedalling on someone and not offering any alternatives just isn't something scum cantrip does. I mean except if he is playing 5D chess and actually expects this kind of response.
I mean...right before I tripped myself on Emiko's case, I highlighted what I felt was a mindset slip from Wisp, so I sorta did have someone as an alt; I just didn't specify it in my last post.
KCC mostly feels ok, but maybe a little more Business than last game.
[Quote "KCC"]Probably, I know we won't really have claims and actions to work with later, so we need to squeeze everything we can from the thread
Why won't we have claims and actions to work with later?
Oh...no, I was more confused because we always have [whatever claims have been made] to work with, and we would presumably have actions, too...? I really (still) don't know why you would say that.
But I don't you're ever a counterwagon to anyone from yesterday. I think you were more of a CFD, which behaves differently than a counterwagon. I think Rhand/Meg hit 4/4 yesterday, but I think Rhand pressure petered out around middle of the Day. KK then came up but Meg was still a thing. So Meg/KK could be counterwagons to each other as well. The wagon on you wasn't started in response to anything. Also counterwagons on town are usually started by scum, but yours was started by tom.
I thought that Rhand had died down before Megiddo got to 4, but you're right.
Maybe it's semantics, but I tend to see CFD's as: deadline is nearing, "majority of votes on PlayerA", something happens, "sudden migration to PlayerB", PlayerB gets lunched. As for D1, at the T-7 hour mark we were at:
So yeah, I feel like I should probably be considered a counterwagon to KK. And yes, I'm aware that counterwagons on town are often (usually?) started by scum. Obviously town!Tom wasn't trying to push away from town!KK.
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Well, given the above, plus KCC's cop check, if scum was on me at that point it was Megiddo.
@Cantrip
I would expect to die, but considering this whole thread spouted about my claim being unlikely, that could be a good explanation as of why I didnt
wolves killed Tom who town read me, which likely points to Rhand
So I know that applying my own mindset to others' choices sometimes gets me in trouble, but I can't help it: if I were town who had claimed a cop check and then survived a Night (that had a kill elsewhere), I'd pretty immediately think that either scum feared me being protected or they thought I was faking (which, as you say, the thread definitely reflected uncertainty). There's a little wiggle room for bewilderment, but why I didn't get NK'd would be really low on my list of questions.
@vezok
idk about that, but you know who has slightly higher wolf!equity because of that shot? Rhand
but thats just wine, isnt it?
more wine, why wasnt I shot?
That end of post rhetorical feels like the kind of thing scum would say to try and flush out protective roles. You're not going on record as having globally role-fished (even declaiming it in advance as WIFOM), but you could use the responses and ways players respond to try and identify doctors/bodyguards. I don't see any reason for town!cop to invite public speculation on why they weren't killed.
And no, I don't want to clear a respected analyst. Make the scum choose between NKing confirmed townies and NKs on solving threats. Why give them two birds with one stone?
I was thinking this, too. I like the choice.
I'm not 100% certain that town can't have a N0 Peek Cop AND a 1-shot Alignment Cop, but it feels pretty unlikely, and at first blush I definitely think KCC's more likely town than Wisp. I want to review KCC's posts, though.
On another note, I think it's highly likely that both Vezok and Emiko are town. Obviously one of them is, but...if Vezok and Wisp are buddies and Wisp says Vezok is town and Vez flips scum, then Wisp is immediately outted. Same with Emiko and KCC (maybe to a lesser degree because the unknown risk of a vig is already eliminated?). So Vez and Emiko are vaulted to the top of my town list.
I think that puts me currently at:
Emiko/Vez
KCC
Killjoy
Vaimes
Rhand/Megiddo
Wisp
I neglected to unvote Emiko last post, so
Unvote
Wisp already has plenty of votes, and I want to review KCC first, regardless.
We have 2 week day phases, not 48 hours, I stopped bulldozing the thread, this is not an alignment thing, I can top post as either alignment if I want, or completely slank if I want, I just slanked a little more because I wanted to do other stuff when I was home, and didn't know day 3 would be lylo if we mislynched here
Now KCC can actually talk about her own thoughts!
Unvote, vote Rhand
The role is ~probably real, unless scum!shadow left very detailed notes for his replacement.
Looks like we're back to the lunch pool of [Rhand, Meg, Cantrip, KCC]. Still don't see KJ or Emiko as scum.
And that's fine, I understand all of that, and I want you to know I really wasn't pressuring you to post right this second, I only wanted to make it clear that your next post should be a claim, because none of your prior posts today showed you were planning to do that. And it'd be nice to get some actual informed discussion in D2
I do want to talk about the claim sone, but I'll hold that a bit
Almost.
But I'm going to wait for Last to give the green light
Because the forecast is cloudy with a chance of ***** storm
Now I see that he was just being a smartass. My opinion of him has dropped somewhat, but I still think he is probably town. I think that last gets way too emotional in mafia games and starts doing weird stuff that antagonizes the other players and is not really conductive to good analysis.
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Anyway, hi, Cop here, probably need to deal with this.
I like how you don't claim who you targeted on night 1 to make the claim more believable.
I don't really buy this claim. A full cop in this setup seems a bit absurd.
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It's 1-shot, Vez
But, yes, I'm pretty sure it's still too much info
the chance of you being a scum role cop is possible, which ccing me today almost certainly gets you killed tomorrow once I flip town unless you have the finesse to wiggle out of it
you are claiming a 1-shot alignment cop im presuming? are you willing to give out your check?
in a world where you are real, it is almost certain wolves have a way to disable it
I need some time to go through your iso, in the meantime, I am going to sleep
we probably have to lynch one of me or you now, and I probably lose that battle
anyways, sleep
I want your check and reason for reals
Definitely before Night
I've been running that through my head, like what could you even give scum, if that's the setup? Do you throw a RB or redirect against two 1shot abilities and an ability immune to it? A bulletproof would turn the vigshot too far antitown. Is the scum just 3 goons, with the special power of -wait for town to cannibalize itself? I don't see how it could work
godfather? but that would be really bastard, I think?
why am I still up
I don't think that'd work.
And seriously, if scum hit an unchecked vanilla last night, we'd have 9 alive and 5 confirmed townies here? That sounds broken
KCC: you should for sure give us enough time to deliberate on your result. So not TOO close to night.
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Those feel both too strong against a couple of 1shot abilities, while also being not enough to actually prevent 5 confirmed town on D2.
I really don't want to make the same mistake as Modern here, where we make up ridiculous excuses for caught scum.
I considered it, but figured/hoped he'd be NKed
The best play for scum is to shoot me, not last. Shooting last just confirms me as town.
It's very sketcky that you didn't check on him.
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I also assumed a townLast was going to admit it was a gambit if he survived. And otherwise we'd lynch him because it's too much info for a mini. It seemed redundant
Also color me skeptical.
Anyway, I'm just going to share my check now, I realized I'm not going to get much more from holding it now that me/last are the obvious discussion Today. Emi is Town. I wasn't confident I could read her if scum, and if town, I didn't think she'd be NKed, and I think scum might see her as a viable softtarget for mislynch.
Haha, I did get there on my own Vaimes. The logic was it was hours past my bedtime
I'll have to think about this.
I think you're Town for taking Emi of the table in your read list.
I think KJ is town, because I'm confident I can still read him until proven otherwise.
I think rhand is scum with Last. He wanted to leave the door open to multiple info roles, and pounced on Emi Today. I know being wrong doesn't mean scum, but it's also exactly what I was expecting scum to do and kinda the point of checking Emi.
I don't think Trip is scum with rhand.
I don't think Vez is gambiting with Last.
So... Meg scum
You seriously checked the person mostly everyone is townreading heavily? Hell she is my strongest town read.
Right now if we gotta lynch one of last or KCC to confirm the roles, I'd rather lynch KCC. The check simply makes no sense. The explanation feels fake. Last might have danved around the question, but at least his play and shadow's play made sense.
Like if you want to confirm someone why not check on Cantrip or someone similar ffs.
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I claim, I die, vezok confirmed, ez
I probably wouldn't make the same choice right now, but her posts have been much stronger Today.
I had a slight townRead at EOD, but she was the biggest potential behavior blindspot. And I was a bit skeptical of how many wrote her off as new townie with barely any push back
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And if you are town, this would makes sense too. I'm definitely not accusing you of misplaying if you are Town, I just can't see how we could mislynch + misvig, and still end up with 5 of 9 players confirmed D2 for an auto win. It doesn't work, it's ridiculous
What does this even have to do with confirming voices? A cop should pick someone, who's less likely to be night killed and null, I mean outside of thinking someone is a wolf and checking them, that's fine as well
The problem is her claim is just easy to fake, and Emiko tells us literally nothing about the game state, since he really wasn't that null to others
I am thankful my check is on vezok
It’s just weird when KCC was one of the first people to townread/lean Emiko.
The only potential benefit is seeing who might push on LHF, and uh. That’s Rhand!
I'm still on town Rhand. My view on him is similar to KCC's view on me. I'm confident I can read him. I think he's town this game.
I actually think Wisp+Vezok is a very real possibility given Vezok's play+positions. She hasn't given Wisp a fair shake, I feel.
My world is kinda at Megs < Wisp(+Vezok?) < Vaimes < Cantrip.
Hey, my other top choice was Silver, it could have really been unhelpful.
And no, I don't want to clear a respected analyst. Make the scum choose between NKing confirmed townies and NKs on solving threats. Why give them two birds with one stone?
Say the scumteam is Vaimes/Meg/Cantrip. That means KCC and Last are telling the truth. That means Emiko and vezok are town. Assuming we can't bully the town into lunching between the Cop claims, that leaves you and Rhand as our only viable mislunches. I don't ~think any of the three of us are scumreading you, though to be fair I don't know what Meg thinks about anything. No one really seems interested in killing Rhand, either, except me and maybe KCC.
In fact, I don't think anyone has made a serious push on you this game. How exactly does that scumteam work?
Oh...no, I was more confused because we always have [whatever claims have been made] to work with, and we would presumably have actions, too...? I really (still) don't know why you would say that.
I thought that Rhand had died down before Megiddo got to 4, but you're right.
Maybe it's semantics, but I tend to see CFD's as: deadline is nearing, "majority of votes on PlayerA", something happens, "sudden migration to PlayerB", PlayerB gets lunched. As for D1, at the T-7 hour mark we were at:
Then KK voted himself, Megiddo moved from me to KK, then unvoted a few posts later. Silver voted me, but if KK hadn't self-voted, we'd probably have been at:
KoolKoal (4): vezokpiraka, Rhand, KittyCupCake, Lastwhisper
Cantripmancer (4): tomsloger, Megiddo, EmikoYuriemoto, Silvercrys3467
Megiddo (3): Cantripmancer, Killjoy, Vaimes
Not Voting (1): KoolKoal
So yeah, I feel like I should probably be considered a counterwagon to KK. And yes, I'm aware that counterwagons on town are often (usually?) started by scum. Obviously town!Tom wasn't trying to push away from town!KK.
Well, given the above, plus KCC's cop check, if scum was on me at that point it was Megiddo.
So I know that applying my own mindset to others' choices sometimes gets me in trouble, but I can't help it: if I were town who had claimed a cop check and then survived a Night (that had a kill elsewhere), I'd pretty immediately think that either scum feared me being protected or they thought I was faking (which, as you say, the thread definitely reflected uncertainty). There's a little wiggle room for bewilderment, but why I didn't get NK'd would be really low on my list of questions.
However, you posted:
That end of post rhetorical feels like the kind of thing scum would say to try and flush out protective roles. You're not going on record as having globally role-fished (even declaiming it in advance as WIFOM), but you could use the responses and ways players respond to try and identify doctors/bodyguards. I don't see any reason for town!cop to invite public speculation on why they weren't killed.
Hope things get better soon.
I was thinking this, too. I like the choice.
I'm not 100% certain that town can't have a N0 Peek Cop AND a 1-shot Alignment Cop, but it feels pretty unlikely, and at first blush I definitely think KCC's more likely town than Wisp. I want to review KCC's posts, though.
On another note, I think it's highly likely that both Vezok and Emiko are town. Obviously one of them is, but...if Vezok and Wisp are buddies and Wisp says Vezok is town and Vez flips scum, then Wisp is immediately outted. Same with Emiko and KCC (maybe to a lesser degree because the unknown risk of a vig is already eliminated?). So Vez and Emiko are vaulted to the top of my town list.
I think that puts me currently at:
Emiko/Vez
KCC
Killjoy
Vaimes
Rhand/Megiddo
Wisp
I neglected to unvote Emiko last post, so
Unvote
Wisp already has plenty of votes, and I want to review KCC first, regardless.
in a world where we are both real
that leaves you and Rhand as our only viable mislunches
I would lynch Rhand, based on the PoE, my early read of his train moving too fast holds very little weight