KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I don't really have a strong vezok read. She just doesn't stand out as being scummy. I think if she were scum she'd have no incentive to leave me alive here when Rhand and LW are pushing so hard; if one or both of them are town, that's an easy mislunch in LyLo.
Also her KJ read ("I'm not getting strong vibes so he must be scum this time") reads more as weirdly paranoid than malicious.
You don't think that Vezok's read on me isn't shallow?
I wanted to look at the assertion that Emiko pushed the KK wagon then jumped off before it blew up, so I iso'd.
First thing I noticed is that she never interacted with Shadow. She calls him villagery in 354, then next mention is 540 where she wants to lunch him (along with KJ, Rhand, and me). Next post she votes Killjoy. Not sure the lack of Shadow interaction is indicative, though, since she treated me the exact same way (even down to towning me in 354 and saying I'm in the lunch pool in 540).
Emiko: Silver/tom/ a little bit Koolkoal. Do you think there's scum in that grouping?
i think it is not likely .
Does this come from scum D1?
Wisp replaces in for Shadow and claimes the N0 check. 668 is Emiko's response, asking if the claim is common on Wisp's home site. Followed by 706 where she seems to imply that she thinks Wisp is wolf!faking the claim similar to Marl's recent claims on Colosseum and votes Wisp.
758 is where Emiko first expresses concern about KK, only saying that she doesn't like Kool's 745, and then her next post, 813, she says "this has to be the best wagon right now" and votes Kool.
Emiko, when you posted "coincidence?" in 814, were you saying that you thought that Rhand and KCC's votes on Kool coming so quickly after Vezok's was a coincidence, or were you implying that it was unlikely that that was a coincidence?
After that, we get a series of posts by Wisp that Emiko doesn't like, but no indication as to why she doesn't like them, as well as the next post highlighting Wisp's reads and Emiko asking the thread why we're not lunching Wisp (but still no indication as to what is wrong with Wisp's reads), and finally 863, where she says that Wisp talks to other players like he knows they're town. This is literally the first reason she's given for suspecting Wisp other than in 826 where she says "last has not given much more to the thread than shadow did. the cop check is suspicious." But throughout all these posts where she repeatedly goes after Wisp, she's still voting Kool. 882 she naked unvotes Kool after Kool's claim, no indication as to why. When I ask her about it, she says we have time and she wants to read more. When I press, she says she reread Kool, would still be ok lunching him, but there are others she wants lunched more.
A few more posts (including another one where Wisp is still most wolfy), and then she pivots onto me (as better than Kool or Megiddo), but only because I "use too many words to say very little".
So she found Kool scummy (but without any reasoning) until he claimed, vocally attacked Wisp all Day but never once voted him, said she still found Kool scummy but pushed me at the last minute instead. This doesn't feel like a town progression. It feels like scum trying to get as many claims as possible, but without much commitment. And the continuous attacking of Wisp without a vote feels like not wanting to put any real pressure on a buddy.
Emiko, why no Wisp vote until toDay?
Vaimes, you think the above is agenda-less?
Megiddo, to anticipate your queston: I don't know why.
I think Emiko's overall choices are more likely to come from scum than the possible role fishing I suspect of Wisp. Completely possible that the two of them are buddies, but if only one's scum, I'd think it more likely to be Emiko.
Vote Emiko
Wisp, I still want to know why you oh-so-innocently openly wondered why you weren't NK'd.
Hm.
But now, about this post.
Can you expand on why Emiko's choices "are more likely to come from scum than the possible rolefishing of Wisp"? Specifically, are those the only two people you're considering for scum?
You did a whole thing on Meg Yesterday. Did that go anywhere? I'm seeing that you're talking about Meg being scum because counterwagons. Why are you not pushing that more, given that, from your perspective, Meg is a counterwagon to you? I disagree, but I want to hear from you.
On that note, what do you think of Rhand, who was maybe ALSO a counterwagon to Meg. Could Rhand be scum instead of Meg? Are they both scum? Basically, how does that whole wagon deal work in your head right now?
On yet another note: why do you think Wisp's asking why he wasn't NKed scummy?
kittycake appears to think about the game but not think about what she says if it says her opinion .
i liked the explanations for your reads in post 864 . it did not appear fake .
megiddo posted 485 . i do not believe that is likely to be wolf except directly with you . i like his effort also .
vaimes almost completely pocketed me during the second half of day 1 . a lot of the same thoughts on last and vezok .
rhand i do not like most of their posts and there is not much there . he appears like he could be wrong and not wolf though .
cantripman appears to use a lot of words to say very little . i have not read his town game but he appears to try to act as himself .
vezok did very little during day 1 . when she did post there were a lot of votes that appeared to be to look good or manipulate instead of for a good reason .
last progression on vaimes on day 1 was bad . i said so in post 855 . last also did not do anything during day 1 . he was very defensive . he pushed for bad reasons . the cop claim looks more likely to be a wolf gambit .
Ok so. This is all really kinda shallow. None of these cite specifics.
If last is scum, what do you think of Vezok? Do you think scum!Last greenpeeks a buddy upon replacing in? Did Shadow, who last replaced, give any clues to knowing Vezok's alignment? Why is last's claim likely a bad wolf gambit instead of being just real?
Conerning Meg: You say he posted 485. Can I assume you're referring to the part about me? Why wouldn't he say that as scum? Why does him saying that make him town?
I'm noting a lot of your scumreads are "didn't do much". Can you remember anything anyone did that was scummy this game? If so who did what?
Is Cantrip scum? I can't tell based on your reasons.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Lol. This is gonna be confusing. I had originally asked a question unrelated to the post between these two sentences, but then found a better place for it later so I moved it. It was about the thing you did about Meg.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Ok so. This is all really kinda shallow. None of these cite specifics.
i went into more detail in other posts . it is not easy for me to write a long post .
If last is scum, what do you think of Vezok? Do you think scum!Last greenpeeks a buddy upon replacing in? Did Shadow, who last replaced, give any clues to knowing Vezok's alignment? Why is last's claim likely a bad wolf gambit instead of being just real?
vezok can be either alignment . first i thought vezok was more likely also scum . now i am less sure . i think shadow did not hint at anything , another reason why i am suspicious . last has done nothing with the claim and has refused to make it clearer . last is shifty and unproductive .
Conerning Meg: You say he posted 485. Can I assume you're referring to the part about me? Why wouldn't he say that as scum? Why does him saying that make him town?
if you are both wolf , it is a way to clear you . i do not believe that you are both wolf .
if he is wolf and you are town , it is a strange post for him to spend time on instead of keeping you more open .
it appears to be too hard of a clear on you .
I'm noting a lot of your scumreads are "didn't do much". Can you remember anything anyone did that was scummy this game? If so who did what?
last changed his mind on vaimes in a strange way . last refused to interact with people or play the game .
cantrip appears fake . cantrip made a lot of posts with a lot of words that did not say very much during day 1 . then in day 2 , he suddenly started to read me as wolf and made a faulty post 1175 with the idea that i was scum before he talked about my posts . talking about my posts was to support me being scum . it was not to think through my posts . he somehow missed me voting lastwhisper for 100 posts .
Is Cantrip scum? I can't tell based on your reasons.
i believe that cantrip is scum . i believe that rhand is scum . i believe that last is scum .
Emiko, I feel like I owe you an apology (probably two, since this post is more words, sorry). I don't know how I forgot that you voted Wisp right after his claim. And it definitely was forgot (not "oops, didn't see that") because I read that post (at least twice), and I remember seeing the vote, but when I was writing up my post, I completely forgot that you had. And that pretty much torpedoes my case. To give you a short run-down of my process:
• Early game you made that clarification post about "up to one" scum being in that grouping. Gut reaction was that it came from town, and then I saw Shadow saying the same thing and that was reinforced. I pretty much slated you as town and didn't really pay much attention to you after that until you unvoted KK after his claim.
• You unvoting after his claim bugged me because he claimed vanilla, which shouldn't be enough to sway someone who thought he was scummy. So I asked, and you said you wanted to reread and you were trying to figure out if there were 3 people you found scummier than KK, and that you had at least 1 or 2. Which implied to me that you still found KK scummy, but you wanted to reassess. I still had you as a strong townlean.
• Fast forward to yesterday. While catching up, I found that post by Wisp where he ponders why he wasn't NK'd. Huge red flag for me. I posted and voted, and one of the things I had noted from catching up was Rhand's assertion in 1111 that your voting behavior was questionable. You being a town lean for me, I wanted to take a look at that to see if Rhand was making a bad attack, so I iso'd you.
• As I went through, I noted a lack of reason on your initial vote on KJ, and your reasoning for voting me was really sketchy, so I started buying into what Rhand was describing. And then it hit me that the reason I was townreading you was something that had been reinforced by Shadow-turned-Wisp, and I thought I had just caught Wisp.
• So then I noted all the yelling about Wisp you were doing, and I was like, but she never votes him!!1!!one! So I seriously felt like there was a good chance that you were buddies with Wisp and I had town read you erroneously.
But you did vote Wisp, and I completely misread/misremembered why you voted KK, and I'm super embarrassed because when I flip town it's going to be obvious that I made this super bad case in good faith. So not only am I faced with either getting lunched for this or losing all credibility even if I don't get lunched, but I can't even point back to it after the game as a failed scum gambit. In my (weak) defense, I've been stressed and haven't gotten much sleep in the last few days.
FTR, scum!me is meticulous and never would have presented a case that hinged upon something so easily disproven, but you (especially, since this is your first experience with me) certainly can't trust that, and I don't expect you to.
You also mentioned that you thought I went into that post wanting to say you were wolfy regardless of posts. I really didn't. When I quoted your 667 and wondered if that could come from scum, that was a real thought and something that I wanted to include because it really didn't fit with the rest of what I thought I was finding. Now that I've gotten my head on straight, it strengthens my town read. I think it's highly unlikely that scum, asked about three townies, says it's unlikely that any of them are scum.
So you're back to being a strong townlean for me, which I'm sure will be interpreted as a walkback, but everything above is sincere. I'll do my best to redeem myself until I'm lunched or the game ends.
I'm still not clear on why you were voting me before I made this attack; can you clarify that?
Vaimes, you had a series of posts right after I stuck my foot in my mouth; if you have any additional questions after reading the above, let me know.
Megiddo, same with your questions.
Killjoy, I already mentioned that Megiddo being a counterwagon to KK and myself doesn't make me think Meg is scum as much as I would find someone town for being a counterwagon to scum. I think there's a slightly higher chance that he's scum for it, but I've liked some of his posts toDay. That said, I obviously need to get a better grip on this game, so I need to step back and reassess just about everyone.
I've read cantrip's big post and I'm struggling to see why would scum Cantrip walk back on his emiko read instead of going balls to the walls against it. I'm less convinced he is scum right now. Like I'd assume scum Cantrip would pivot onto someone else instead of spending words doing almost nothing. The defense against role fishing sounds a bit iffy still, but the rest of the post is just sincere. Being a leading lynch candidate for today and simply backpedalling on someone and not offering any alternatives just isn't something scum cantrip does. I mean except if he is playing 5D chess and actually expects this kind of response.
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I'm not really liking anything megs is putting up for today. He just seems to skirt the thread and post about nothing. Him being a leading wagon on day 1 also doesn't help.
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Probably, I know we won't really have claims and actions to work with later, so we need to squeeze everything we can from the thread
Why won't we have claims and actions to work with later?
Again, I think this is more of a town tell for you. I feel like scumCantrip might make a note of this, but is far too cautious to ask this type of question, especially to me
I've read cantrip's big post and I'm struggling to see why would scum Cantrip walk back on his emiko read instead of going balls to the walls against it. I'm less convinced he is scum right now. Like I'd assume scum Cantrip would pivot onto someone else instead of spending words doing almost nothing. The defense against role fishing sounds a bit iffy still, but the rest of the post is just sincere. Being a leading lynch candidate for today and simply backpedalling on someone and not offering any alternatives just isn't something scum cantrip does. I mean except if he is playing 5D chess and actually expects this kind of response.
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I'm not really liking anything megs is putting up for today. He just seems to skirt the thread and post about nothing. Him being a leading wagon on day 1 also doesn't help.
I feel like you’re skirting around the gigantic elephant in the room. What is your read on Last?
@Cantrip: No I haven't had time to look at the KK wagon yet.
But I don't you're ever a counterwagon to anyone from yesterday. I think you were more of a CFD, which behaves differently than a counterwagon. I think Rhand/Meg hit 4/4 yesterday, but I think Rhand pressure petered out around middle of the Day. KK then came up but Meg was still a thing. So Meg/KK could be counterwagons to each other as well. The wagon on you wasn't started in response to anything. Also counterwagons on town are usually started by scum, but yours was started by tom.
Talk to me about who was scum on your wagon.
Emiko: I think given the choices I'd lynch Cantrip over the other two. Last might be scum but he could also just be stubborn. He does that. Rhand I'm still townreading. On that note, I'm still voting Last. I don't actively wanna lynch him. I think he's still in his town range. Unvote.
Note to self though, I don't think ALL the regular wagons yesteday were on town. Those were Rhand/Meg/KK. So there's probably scum between Meg and Rhand.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Vaimes: Do you think Vezok's scumread of me is shallow?
Also, talk about how Cantrip thinks he's a counterwagon to Meg and specifically Rhand when Rhand stopped being a thing a long time before Cantrip did. What does that make you think?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Vaimes: Do you think Vezok's scumread of me is shallow?
Also, talk about how Cantrip thinks he's a counterwagon to Meg and specifically Rhand when Rhand stopped being a thing a long time before Cantrip did. What does that make you think?
I answered that already. Short version is yes, but so what?
I think he’s talking about the general wagons that popped up throughout the Day. I don’t really know. Relevance?
This isn’t the time to be stubborn. It’s not cute and it’s not funny. I am not letting an unverified claim make it to LyLo when the slot in question seems to be acting like they’re annoyed about rolling scum back to back and is currently giving no *****s about the town win condition.
also none of those things make me a wolf, and neither does my claim, regardless of if its real or a gambit
@Cantrip
I would expect to die, but considering this whole thread spouted about my claim being unlikely, that could be a good explanation as of why I didnt
wolves killed Tom who town read me, which likely points to Rhand
You hear some noises coming from the room next you, but decide to ignore in favour of scrolling social media. Procrastination is great way to spend some time!
(I am specifically referring to your statement that we could lunch you if you didn’t start being villagery, which is obviously not a good thing to say.)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I wasn't expecting Last to take so long. But what he is doing also affects my read on Vez, and she affects my rhand read, which affects my Cantrip read. And you were mixed in there for a while.
also none of those things make me a wolf, and neither does my claim, regardless of if its real or a gambit
Look, if you are saying Vez is clear, we need you to confirm that Today, because we can't sort that out in a potential Lylo Tomorrow. If this is a gambit, Vez could easily be scum, in which case they would already see right through it, and you're just making the gamestate unreadable.
If you are town, what do you think you are accomplishing either way?
I will full claim when I'm home, I want to be around for what ever ***** storm occurs, and if I do it now, I will get anxiety and not be able to focus on my real life job
(I am specifically referring to your statement that we could lunch you if you didn’t start being villagery, which is obviously not a good thing to say.)
That is absolutely NAI for me, though I'll agree it isn't the towniest mindset, which again doesn't stop me from saying it as either alignment
When I had originally stated that, I didn't think about how fast we could be in lylo, with just 1 mislynch and a death, though I didn't expect two deaths last night
No, not that. I liked that question though, seemed like a good attempt to peek in my head a bit
i guess I can.
Vaimes: Was that WHOLE post I quoted based solely on pages 1-8? Or was there more than that?
Hm.
But now, about this post.
Can you expand on why Emiko's choices "are more likely to come from scum than the possible rolefishing of Wisp"? Specifically, are those the only two people you're considering for scum?
You did a whole thing on Meg Yesterday. Did that go anywhere? I'm seeing that you're talking about Meg being scum because counterwagons. Why are you not pushing that more, given that, from your perspective, Meg is a counterwagon to you? I disagree, but I want to hear from you.
On that note, what do you think of Rhand, who was maybe ALSO a counterwagon to Meg. Could Rhand be scum instead of Meg? Are they both scum? Basically, how does that whole wagon deal work in your head right now?
On yet another note: why do you think Wisp's asking why he wasn't NKed scummy?
Ok so. This is all really kinda shallow. None of these cite specifics.
If last is scum, what do you think of Vezok? Do you think scum!Last greenpeeks a buddy upon replacing in? Did Shadow, who last replaced, give any clues to knowing Vezok's alignment? Why is last's claim likely a bad wolf gambit instead of being just real?
Conerning Meg: You say he posted 485. Can I assume you're referring to the part about me? Why wouldn't he say that as scum? Why does him saying that make him town?
I'm noting a lot of your scumreads are "didn't do much". Can you remember anything anyone did that was scummy this game? If so who did what?
Is Cantrip scum? I can't tell based on your reasons.
i went into more detail in other posts . it is not easy for me to write a long post .
vezok can be either alignment . first i thought vezok was more likely also scum . now i am less sure . i think shadow did not hint at anything , another reason why i am suspicious . last has done nothing with the claim and has refused to make it clearer . last is shifty and unproductive .
if you are both wolf , it is a way to clear you . i do not believe that you are both wolf .
if he is wolf and you are town , it is a strange post for him to spend time on instead of keeping you more open .
it appears to be too hard of a clear on you .
last changed his mind on vaimes in a strange way . last refused to interact with people or play the game .
cantrip appears fake . cantrip made a lot of posts with a lot of words that did not say very much during day 1 . then in day 2 , he suddenly started to read me as wolf and made a faulty post 1175 with the idea that i was scum before he talked about my posts . talking about my posts was to support me being scum . it was not to think through my posts . he somehow missed me voting lastwhisper for 100 posts .
i believe that cantrip is scum . i believe that rhand is scum . i believe that last is scum .
if you would vote one of lastwhisper , rhand , or cantripmancer , who would it be ? why ?
Well, my vote is going on Last if his next post doesn't clarify his claim
• Early game you made that clarification post about "up to one" scum being in that grouping. Gut reaction was that it came from town, and then I saw Shadow saying the same thing and that was reinforced. I pretty much slated you as town and didn't really pay much attention to you after that until you unvoted KK after his claim.
• You unvoting after his claim bugged me because he claimed vanilla, which shouldn't be enough to sway someone who thought he was scummy. So I asked, and you said you wanted to reread and you were trying to figure out if there were 3 people you found scummier than KK, and that you had at least 1 or 2. Which implied to me that you still found KK scummy, but you wanted to reassess. I still had you as a strong townlean.
• Fast forward to yesterday. While catching up, I found that post by Wisp where he ponders why he wasn't NK'd. Huge red flag for me. I posted and voted, and one of the things I had noted from catching up was Rhand's assertion in 1111 that your voting behavior was questionable. You being a town lean for me, I wanted to take a look at that to see if Rhand was making a bad attack, so I iso'd you.
• As I went through, I noted a lack of reason on your initial vote on KJ, and your reasoning for voting me was really sketchy, so I started buying into what Rhand was describing. And then it hit me that the reason I was townreading you was something that had been reinforced by Shadow-turned-Wisp, and I thought I had just caught Wisp.
• So then I noted all the yelling about Wisp you were doing, and I was like, but she never votes him!!1!!one! So I seriously felt like there was a good chance that you were buddies with Wisp and I had town read you erroneously.
But you did vote Wisp, and I completely misread/misremembered why you voted KK, and I'm super embarrassed because when I flip town it's going to be obvious that I made this super bad case in good faith. So not only am I faced with either getting lunched for this or losing all credibility even if I don't get lunched, but I can't even point back to it after the game as a failed scum gambit. In my (weak) defense, I've been stressed and haven't gotten much sleep in the last few days.
FTR, scum!me is meticulous and never would have presented a case that hinged upon something so easily disproven, but you (especially, since this is your first experience with me) certainly can't trust that, and I don't expect you to.
You also mentioned that you thought I went into that post wanting to say you were wolfy regardless of posts. I really didn't. When I quoted your 667 and wondered if that could come from scum, that was a real thought and something that I wanted to include because it really didn't fit with the rest of what I thought I was finding. Now that I've gotten my head on straight, it strengthens my town read. I think it's highly unlikely that scum, asked about three townies, says it's unlikely that any of them are scum.
So you're back to being a strong townlean for me, which I'm sure will be interpreted as a walkback, but everything above is sincere. I'll do my best to redeem myself until I'm lunched or the game ends.
I'm still not clear on why you were voting me before I made this attack; can you clarify that?
Vaimes, you had a series of posts right after I stuck my foot in my mouth; if you have any additional questions after reading the above, let me know.
Megiddo, same with your questions.
Killjoy, I already mentioned that Megiddo being a counterwagon to KK and myself doesn't make me think Meg is scum as much as I would find someone town for being a counterwagon to scum. I think there's a slightly higher chance that he's scum for it, but I've liked some of his posts toDay. That said, I obviously need to get a better grip on this game, so I need to step back and reassess just about everyone.
What? *I* want you to go find it, because I most certainly did NOT.
Rhand, do you still feel like your thoughts in 1111 are accurate?
Killjoy, did you ever look into what Rhand was asserting in 1111 as you said you wanted to?
I've read cantrip's big post and I'm struggling to see why would scum Cantrip walk back on his emiko read instead of going balls to the walls against it. I'm less convinced he is scum right now. Like I'd assume scum Cantrip would pivot onto someone else instead of spending words doing almost nothing. The defense against role fishing sounds a bit iffy still, but the rest of the post is just sincere. Being a leading lynch candidate for today and simply backpedalling on someone and not offering any alternatives just isn't something scum cantrip does. I mean except if he is playing 5D chess and actually expects this kind of response.
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I'm not really liking anything megs is putting up for today. He just seems to skirt the thread and post about nothing. Him being a leading wagon on day 1 also doesn't help.
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This:
Again, I think this is more of a town tell for you. I feel like scumCantrip might make a note of this, but is far too cautious to ask this type of question, especially to me
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Don’t love the multiple assertions of flipping town but he’s probably fine. Still think he’s the towniest of the lunch pool.
Think I’m good on KCC, though I’m slightly paranoid she’s putting off actually sharing her thoughts on the rest of the game.
But I don't you're ever a counterwagon to anyone from yesterday. I think you were more of a CFD, which behaves differently than a counterwagon. I think Rhand/Meg hit 4/4 yesterday, but I think Rhand pressure petered out around middle of the Day. KK then came up but Meg was still a thing. So Meg/KK could be counterwagons to each other as well. The wagon on you wasn't started in response to anything. Also counterwagons on town are usually started by scum, but yours was started by tom.
Talk to me about who was scum on your wagon.
Emiko: I think given the choices I'd lynch Cantrip over the other two. Last might be scum but he could also just be stubborn. He does that. Rhand I'm still townreading. On that note, I'm still voting Last. I don't actively wanna lynch him. I think he's still in his town range.
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Note to self though, I don't think ALL the regular wagons yesteday were on town. Those were Rhand/Meg/KK. So there's probably scum between Meg and Rhand.
Also, talk about how Cantrip thinks he's a counterwagon to Meg and specifically Rhand when Rhand stopped being a thing a long time before Cantrip did. What does that make you think?
I think he’s talking about the general wagons that popped up throughout the Day. I don’t really know. Relevance?
This isn’t the time to be stubborn. It’s not cute and it’s not funny. I am not letting an unverified claim make it to LyLo when the slot in question seems to be acting like they’re annoyed about rolling scum back to back and is currently giving no *****s about the town win condition.
thats my line
I am not letting an unverified claim make it to LyLo
its day 2
when the slot in question seems to be acting like they’re annoyed about rolling scum back to back
what gives you the impression that I am annoyed
and is currently giving no *****s about the town win condition.
because I make or break this game day 2, ok
off to work
Mislunch + NK = LyLo.
@Cantrip
I would expect to die, but considering this whole thread spouted about my claim being unlikely, that could be a good explanation as of why I didnt
wolves killed Tom who town read me, which likely points to Rhand
anyways, gone for real
- Lastwhisper, Modern Mafia
You hear some noises coming from the room next you, but decide to ignore in favour of scrolling social media. Procrastination is great way to spend some time!
Lastwhisper (3): EmikoYuriemoto, Vaimes, KittyCupCake
Vaimes (2): Lastwhisper, Rhand
EmikoYuriemoto (1): Cantripmancer
Megiddo (1): vezokpiraka
Not Voting (2): Killjoy, Megiddo
V/LA: -
With 9 alive, it’s 5 to lynch. Deadline is on October 22nd.
You need to understand from my POV that I and Vezok are both town, once I flip and confirm him, what then?
Why do I need to reveal everything day 2?
Why am I not being counter claimed?
Let's say Rhand is the wolf, who are his partners?
Either way, I'm heading into work right now
"That doesn't make me a wolf"
Lmao, 11/10 meta reads
I did go into potential wolf teams but they hinge on you not being mafia.
Is he? A lot of what we do today depends on who is actually cleared
I wasn't expecting Last to take so long. But what he is doing also affects my read on Vez, and she affects my rhand read, which affects my Cantrip read. And you were mixed in there for a while.
bad work stuff. not in a good headspace for mafia rn.
i'll be back tomorrow.
Vaimes is right, regardless of anything, this is horrible antitown play
Look, if you are saying Vez is clear, we need you to confirm that Today, because we can't sort that out in a potential Lylo Tomorrow. If this is a gambit, Vez could easily be scum, in which case they would already see right through it, and you're just making the gamestate unreadable.
If you are town, what do you think you are accomplishing either way?
ROLE: Informed Vanilla
"You know Vezok is town"
Lmao I am actually being attacked to post at work, y'all are crazy
Like I said I am at work, and KCC has the audacity to say, "I assumed Last would claim sooner"
It was a ******* joke, tho the anxiety over mafia is a thing that I would like to avoid, if I could just close this tab at work it would be nice
No, I was fine with waiting for you to finish work. I had meant earlier as in days ago, not earlier right now