Just an FYI, I requested to replace out overNight due to work and therefore haven't reread anything. Bur didn't announce it and no one else has seen my role PM, so I'm assuming I'm good to keep playing since I won't be as busy as I assumed.
Vote Rhand
Changed my mind again. He can 1v1 me if he wants but I don't think my vote will be moving.
I want Last to hard confirm whether or not he is a power role with an actual alignment check from the mod that vezok is town. No bull*****, no games.
Bigger post once he clears that up.
this is gross, that first statement was gross vote: Vaimes
if you tell me who your partner is ill vote them first
Well this sounds fake.
What do you think scum! Vaimes is doing here?
what is town vaimes doing here?
and its not fake :3
Actually, as I'm writing up this post to Meg, I'm seeing a lot more progression than I had originally saw before. Like, I can see how, from his perspective, he can make this post:
yes.
cantrip scum makes sense
kk scum makes sense
cantrip + kk scum makes sense.
And then look back farther in his ISO and see why all these things are true from his perspective. So there's that. I now believe that point was wrong.
The other misgiving I have, though, is the fact that his former scumhunting tactic of aggressively asking questions mirrored my way of going about things. . I learn by talking about things with others, and I assume Megs is the same way. See here: https://www.learning-styles-online.com/overview/. I'm a mix of Verbal and Social. A bit also Logical but that's not really how I play Mafia, that's other stuff. I believe that Meg's formerly frequently proactive approach to scumhunting is evidence that Megs best learns (and therefore, solves) using that method. I, again, don't fault Megs for trying to be less of an ******** in his questioning, but I believe that the current passive method he's been using is... I guess more likely to be from a Meg that doesn't need to solve the game. I feel like town Meg can still ask a good amount of questions without being an ********, but scum!Meg doesn't really need to.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Just an FYI, I requested to replace out overNight due to work and therefore haven't reread anything. Bur didn't announce it and no one else has seen my role PM, so I'm assuming I'm good to keep playing since I won't be as busy as I assumed.
Vote Rhand
Changed my mind again. He can 1v1 me if he wants but I don't think my vote will be moving.
I want Last to hard confirm whether or not he is a power role with an actual alignment check from the mod that vezok is town. No bull*****, no games.
Bigger post once he clears that up.
this is gross, that first statement was gross vote: Vaimes
if you tell me who your partner is ill vote them first
Well this sounds fake.
What do you think scum! Vaimes is doing here?
what is town vaimes doing here?
and its not fake :3
Town Vaimes... considered replacement but had more time than he thought he would so he decided not to replace and since Bur never announced it it was easier and not as awkward as he thought it would be?
That's not an answer to my question.
What is scum!Vaimes doing saying that?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Scum Vaimes, posts anglely BS to distort our read on him, that post is dirty, and I will never see posts like that as not dirty, if he wanted to make sure, he asks Bur, and pretends like that never happened
doesnt post it in thread, "man this will look really townie if I post it in thread"
Vote Vaimes
is where I want to be right now.
Him pushing out that Vezok read without even taking that claim into account is just wrong.
Also, there seems to be no reason whatsoever for his vote on me. After the post where he said that, hardly anything happened between him and me.
The only thing really happening was tom voting me. I think he just sees me as the easy wagon now.
Cantrip tom Silver Emiko KJ KCC are all people I don't want to lunch. I'm suspending judgement on shadast.
Meggido and vezok are fishy.
Everyone else is whatever.
is this where you are still at? or are u just sheeping me?
is there nothing you like from vaimes at all? just curious
I'm here, and my wife is doing a lot better. Home and recuperating. I'll have a little time tomorrow, then hopefully things more or less go back to normal-ish.
I need to review my Megiddo thoughts. Baseline I feel like he is more likely to be scum because he was a counterwagon to me and Kool, but I guess it's possible that we had three town wagons there. I liked some of the responses he was giving me, though, so... eh.
Sorry, I didn't read any overNight for obvious reasons, so I don't have questions or any insight as of right now. I'll play as time permits, though.
I'm here, and my wife is doing a lot better. Home and recuperating. I'll have a little time tomorrow, then hopefully things more or less go back to normal-ish.
I need to review my Megiddo thoughts. Baseline I feel like he is more likely to be scum because he was a counterwagon to me and Kool, but I guess it's possible that we had three town wagons there. I liked some of the responses he was giving me, though, so... eh.
Sorry, I didn't read any overNight for obvious reasons, so I don't have questions or any insight as of right now. I'll play as time permits, though.
talk to about someone else that isnt Meg as well, when you get the chance
anyways going to sleep
On Emiko:
He voted Koolkoal, calling it the best wagon, removed himself from the wagon on town when it got close to lynch, then voted Cantrip, saying he prefers him over KoolKoal without providing reasoning while the last time he mentioned Cantrip (354), he calls him ok.
Then he tries to deadline hammer the townie.
That’s scum behavior 101, trying to distance from the town lynch to then hammer it to be sure it goes through.
And would make loads of sense with Cantrip as buddy as that’s where scum like to park their vote.
The only thing that gives me a bit of pause in my current worldview is a post by Cantrip where he says “If you or Meg flips scum, >rand chance the two of you are buddies.” to Vezok.
When scum posts something like this, there is generally a buddy involved, which wouldn’t be true in a Vaimes / Cantrip / Emiko world.
Scum Vaimes, posts anglely BS to distort our read on him, that post is dirty, and I will never see posts like that as not dirty, if he wanted to make sure, he asks Bur, and pretends like that never happened
doesnt post it in thread, "man this will look really townie if I post it in thread"
But like. I don't see why it makes him scum. The almost replacing doesn't affect my read on him at all.
On Emiko:
He voted Koolkoal, calling it the best wagon, removed himself from the wagon on town when it got close to lynch, then voted Cantrip, saying he prefers him over KoolKoal without providing reasoning while the last time he mentioned Cantrip (354), he calls him ok.
Then he tries to deadline hammer the townie.
That’s scum behavior 101, trying to distance from the town lynch to then hammer it to be sure it goes through.
And would make loads of sense with Cantrip as buddy as that’s where scum like to park their vote.
I wanna look this up to see if this actually happened. I don't explicitly recall this chain of events, but I haven't looked into the KK wagon yet.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
To me that tell you who your buddies are thing feels very townie.
And that reasoning of putting it in thread instead of just contacting Bur makes sense.
I am convinced on Vaimes though, so I’m probably biased.
Vaimes trying to drop a game does raise his chances of being scum. He really doesn't like playing as scum.
But the fact that he told the thread is weird. So all in all for me this just makes a bit more likely he is scum, but nothing incredible.
I agree here. I feel like it's NAI though because yes, he hates being scum but he knows that everyone knows that. I literally questioned him in the last game if he was having fun, to which he recognized that I was asking if he was scum.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I only mentioned it to highlight the fact that I still need to read, in case anyone fired off any questions when Day started. And then nobody posted until I went to bed, and I work all day today.
We’re gonna talk through some stuff. I came out with Meg being more likely scum than Cantrip, so I deffo want that hashed out @vezok.
Last being a PR means 1) if there’s another info role, obviously CC, 2) otherwise game is kind of easy if KJ and Emiko are town.
Also it would be awkward if I posted and ended up being replaced. Really don’t see how it has anything to do with alignment, it’s compeleteky irrelevant. Not to mention rude as **** to accuse me of using it to get townread, Last, so please cut it out.
Hey tom, you 100% should've shot Cantrip by the way. That would've told us a lot more about the sudden interest everyone had in CFD'ing him.
You were voting megs yourself, are voting me now, it is tom who started that counterwagon.
Unless your team is exactly me, Megiddo, Cantrip, this post makes no sense at all.
*whoosh*
The point of the post was that between tom’s two scumreads, I would much rather he have shot Cantrip instead of Silver, since knowing Silver’s alignment doesn’t help me at all.
I only mentioned it to highlight the fact that I still need to read, in case anyone fired off any questions when Day started. And then nobody posted until I went to bed, and I work all day today.
We’re gonna talk through some stuff. I came out with Meg being more likely scum than Cantrip, so I deffo want that hashed out @vezok.
Last being a PR means 1) if there’s another info role, obviously CC, 2) otherwise game is kind of easy if KJ and Emiko are town.
Obviously CC? Why would a N0 cop and another investigative be mutually exclusive?
A N0 cop is basically a weaker version of masons (no chat and only 1-way confirmation)
@killjoy:
1) well you’re not wrong, i just tend to do it in a different way. like what i’m doing with you, or cantrip.
2) i’ll be honest i didn’t really get tom’s cantrip point all that much. what did you think about it? i vaguely remember you also didn’t really get it.
@ cantrip:
let me get this straight
i’m scum because i was the counterwagon to (town) KK and (from your perspective, town) cantrip?
that’s not really how counterwagons work. are you sure kk wasn’t the cantrip counterwagon?
@last: why do you think you were a likely NK choice?
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Can we have Megiddo removed from the forum forever please?
i'm pretty sure i can find your ***** online within 3 minutes
I wanted to check my work before actually presenting it, but I guess there’s no real pressing need to wait.
The tl;dr is that I think the scumteam is KCC/Rhand/Meg, and that Rhand is the best lunch for info and dire likelihood of actually flipping scum.
If Last is lying about his role, then I’m going to ~mostly scrap that team and murder the ***** out of him. Teammates depends on what I find when I read, I haven’t explored the actual consequences scum!Last world much despite thinking about it on and off.
Another thing I wanted to do was recheck who I think is more likely of Cantrip/Meg to be scum, but I had a light townread on Cantrip from before that EoD1 didn’t reeeally change.
@Vaimes: tom was 1-shot and I am assuming LW is vanilla apart from the N0 check.
That’s 2 alignment checks of which one can (and did) result in a town death. That in no way means there can’t be another investigative, maybe also with a limitation. And that doesn’t rule out the existence of something like a doc or bodyguard.
Wanting a PR to CC LW is just silly.
@Megs: it’s a low complexity mini. Not exactly a basic but close.
also @Vaimes: if you think megs is scum, then why tell what you didn’t want to share yet when he asks for it?
Personally I don’t see the point in being disagreeable with a scumread just because I think they’re scum. If their question isn’t rolefishy or asked to sling mud, I’m not gonna do something *****y like “lol ur scum don’t talk to me.”
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Scum Vaimes, posts anglely BS to distort our read on him, that post is dirty, and I will never see posts like that as not dirty, if he wanted to make sure, he asks Bur, and pretends like that never happened
doesnt post it in thread, "man this will look really townie if I post it in thread"
On Emiko:
He voted Koolkoal, calling it the best wagon, removed himself from the wagon on town when it got close to lynch, then voted Cantrip, saying he prefers him over KoolKoal without providing reasoning while the last time he mentioned Cantrip (354), he calls him ok.
Then he tries to deadline hammer the townie.
That’s scum behavior 101, trying to distance from the town lynch to then hammer it to be sure it goes through.
And would make loads of sense with Cantrip as buddy as that’s where scum like to park their vote.
she , not he .
cantripmancer appears to use too many words to say very little .
I wanted to check my work before actually presenting it, but I guess there’s no real pressing need to wait.
The tl;dr is that I think the scumteam is KCC/Rhand/Meg, and that Rhand is the best lunch for info and dire likelihood of actually flipping scum.
If Last is lying about his role, then I’m going to ~mostly scrap that team and murder the ***** out of him. Teammates depends on what I find when I read, I haven’t explored the actual consequences scum!Last world much despite thinking about it on and off.
why do you think that KCC is a wolf ? why do you think that meg is a wolf ?
and its not fake :3
The other misgiving I have, though, is the fact that his former scumhunting tactic of aggressively asking questions mirrored my way of going about things. . I learn by talking about things with others, and I assume Megs is the same way. See here: https://www.learning-styles-online.com/overview/. I'm a mix of Verbal and Social. A bit also Logical but that's not really how I play Mafia, that's other stuff. I believe that Meg's formerly frequently proactive approach to scumhunting is evidence that Megs best learns (and therefore, solves) using that method. I, again, don't fault Megs for trying to be less of an ******** in his questioning, but I believe that the current passive method he's been using is... I guess more likely to be from a Meg that doesn't need to solve the game. I feel like town Meg can still ask a good amount of questions without being an ********, but scum!Meg doesn't really need to.
That's not an answer to my question.
What is scum!Vaimes doing saying that?
vote Vaimes
@KCC: can you provide a readslist? I went through your iso last Night and you only ever talked about KoolKoal for a very long time.
@KJ: what sounds fake about LW’s post? I’m not seeing that.
I’m thinking Vaimes / Cantrip / Emiko.
I will continue that reread I started yesterDay over the next days.
doesnt post it in thread, "man this will look really townie if I post it in thread"
is this where you are still at? or are u just sheeping me?
is there nothing you like from vaimes at all? just curious
I need to review my Megiddo thoughts. Baseline I feel like he is more likely to be scum because he was a counterwagon to me and Kool, but I guess it's possible that we had three town wagons there. I liked some of the responses he was giving me, though, so... eh.
Sorry, I didn't read any overNight for obvious reasons, so I don't have questions or any insight as of right now. I'll play as time permits, though.
Megiddo (3): Cantripmancer, Killjoy, Vaimes
Cantripmancer (3): tomsloger, Megiddo, EmikoYuriemoto
tomsloger (1): Silvercrys3467
Not Voting (1): KoolKoal
Blue town, light blue townreads, grey nullread, orange scumreads.
Vezok would be grey without LW’s claim.
Not touching Megiddo with a 10 foot pole.
@LW: My read on Vaimes hasn’t changed.
talk to about someone else that isnt Meg as well, when you get the chance
anyways going to sleep
You were voting megs yourself, are voting me now, it is tom who started that counterwagon.
Unless your team is exactly me, Megiddo, Cantrip, this post makes no sense at all.
He voted Koolkoal, calling it the best wagon, removed himself from the wagon on town when it got close to lynch, then voted Cantrip, saying he prefers him over KoolKoal without providing reasoning while the last time he mentioned Cantrip (354), he calls him ok.
Then he tries to deadline hammer the townie.
That’s scum behavior 101, trying to distance from the town lynch to then hammer it to be sure it goes through.
And would make loads of sense with Cantrip as buddy as that’s where scum like to park their vote.
She seemed to have pure thoughts all of day 1 and coming into day 2 by voting you doesn't feel like something scum would do.
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When scum posts something like this, there is generally a buddy involved, which wouldn’t be true in a Vaimes / Cantrip / Emiko world.
Why not? He has been calling LW scum all Day 1.
Did you read my post on Emiko just above yours?
I feel like it's probably just NAI. I wanna look this up to see if this actually happened. I don't explicitly recall this chain of events, but I haven't looked into the KK wagon yet.
Meg: talk to me about Tom's thing on Cantrip.
And that reasoning of putting it in thread instead of just contacting Bur makes sense.
I am convinced on Vaimes though, so I’m probably biased.
But the fact that he told the thread is weird. So all in all for me this just makes a bit more likely he is scum, but nothing incredible.
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We’re gonna talk through some stuff. I came out with Meg being more likely scum than Cantrip, so I deffo want that hashed out @vezok.
Last being a PR means 1) if there’s another info role, obviously CC, 2) otherwise game is kind of easy if KJ and Emiko are town.
Is this "No, I'm not clarifying my claim" or "No, I'm not a power role"
I'm getting there, I'm still rereading
The point of the post was that between tom’s two scumreads, I would much rather he have shot Cantrip instead of Silver, since knowing Silver’s alignment doesn’t help me at all.
Obviously CC? Why would a N0 cop and another investigative be mutually exclusive?
A N0 cop is basically a weaker version of masons (no chat and only 1-way confirmation)
I think vig is pretty info-y already, so two and a half into roles being all that town has doesn’t seem likely.
@killjoy:
1) well you’re not wrong, i just tend to do it in a different way. like what i’m doing with you, or cantrip.
2) i’ll be honest i didn’t really get tom’s cantrip point all that much. what did you think about it? i vaguely remember you also didn’t really get it.
@ cantrip:
let me get this straight
i’m scum because i was the counterwagon to (town) KK and (from your perspective, town) cantrip?
that’s not really how counterwagons work. are you sure kk wasn’t the cantrip counterwagon?
@last: why do you think you were a likely NK choice?
if so, is it based on last being truthful or lying?
KJ asked why I’m back on my Rhand bull*****, and I’ll answer once we’re for sure good on vezok.
why wait, i guess is the real question?
The tl;dr is that I think the scumteam is KCC/Rhand/Meg, and that Rhand is the best lunch for info and dire likelihood of actually flipping scum.
If Last is lying about his role, then I’m going to ~mostly scrap that team and murder the ***** out of him. Teammates depends on what I find when I read, I haven’t explored the actual consequences scum!Last world much despite thinking about it on and off.
After everything that had just happened, you decide to calm yourself down and do something else that will take away your focus of this nasty mess.
You dig up your phone from your pocket and start scrolling down social media and see what people are talking about Eurovision meanwhile...
Vaimes (2): Lastwhisper, Rhand
Rhand (1): Vaimes
Lastwhisper (1): EmikoYuriemoto
Cantripmancer (1): vezokpiraka
Not Voting (4): Cantripmancer, Killjoy, Megiddo, KittyCupCake
V/LA: -
With 9 alive, it’s 5 to lynch. Deadline is on October 22nd.
how does the EOD1 work in that world? i would have thought that would point to them being buddies if anything.
That’s 2 alignment checks of which one can (and did) result in a town death. That in no way means there can’t be another investigative, maybe also with a limitation. And that doesn’t rule out the existence of something like a doc or bodyguard.
Wanting a PR to CC LW is just silly.
@Megs: it’s a low complexity mini. Not exactly a basic but close.
also @Vaimes: if you think megs is scum, then why tell what you didn’t want to share yet when he asks for it?
The timing of my team guess isn’t relevant to his alignment. I just wanted to have all the info in one post.
But it gives people something to talk about so whatever.
But you have one? Lets hear it.
are reads for replacement something common here ?
she , not he .
this is what i said when i voted cantripmancer .
villa
EmikoYuriemoto
KittyCupCake
Killjoy
Megiddo
Vaimes
Rhand
Cantripmancer
vezokpiraka
Lastwhisper
lobo
why do you think that KCC is a wolf ? why do you think that meg is a wolf ?
i agree that rhand could be a wolf .