Also I don't know how I missed KJ's vote in my iso but I was very sleepy.
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You've dispatched Amulet Titan and Mono-Green Tron, two big mana decks that have close to no interaction or closing speed against the power of HOGAAK. You even hear tales of Jeskai Control getting slaughtered by the power of the 'Gaak. I mean, can Lightning Bolt and Lightning Helix even match the power of an 8/8 on turn 2?
You sit at your next round hoping to bring the glory of the GAAK to more people. You lose the die roll and your opponent leads off with an Island and plays Serum Visions. You play a Stitcher's Supplier, milling over nothing. They untap, shock in a Steam Vents, then they play the card you dread most - a Goblin Electromancer.
"Oh no," you think to yourself. You've beaten up on all of these big mana decks, but you haven't played against anyone who could match speed of your deck. You cast a Faithless Looting, discarding a useless Lotleth Troll and a Bloodghast, then play a land to bring back the 'Ghast. You know that your start is simply too slow to get anything going, and sure enough, your opponent storms off on Turn 3 - casting many Manamorphoses, Desperate Rituals, and Past in Flames. You die a quick death and get ready for games 2 and 3.
Luckily, the postboard games play out much differently. You slam Leyline of the Void down in each of the games after the first, preventing them from utilizing the graveyard in order to get a quick kill, and you have the powerful Thoughtseize to get rid of their mana reducers. Combine that with a quick clock consisting of Vengevines and Carrion Feeders, and you're off to the races. Blue red decks don't have any graveyard hate!
I’d have to check for sure his reaction, but I’m pretty sure if Cantrip was a role cop (in part) that he’d have cc’d Az. No, my theory is that Cantrip is an even night claim vig.
Hey Tom, why'd you lie about your deck? You're not Infect.
Question of the moment.
Also, I'm moderately interested in Meg being "bulletproof" but also dead and if someone has an explanation for that. Also, if Cantrip attempted to shoot someone. Also how Cantrip knows Tom is not Infect when Cantrip claimed Vig.
So, I guess I have many questions of the moment. Not in any particular hurry though, so, Tom can go first.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Sure, scum just sucks and is apparently playing solely to fool me and no one else, I'll take it <_<.
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also I am going to be very annoyed if 'chris instinct' was right on both tom and grapefruit but I got talked out of both because that's just sad for me.
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Hey Tom, why'd you lie about your deck? You're not Infect.
i didnt and i am
I have mod-confirmed information that you are not (and it's not something ambiguous like "you must have lied because my ability didn't work"). Want to try again, or should we just lunch you?
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Hey Tom, why'd you lie about your deck? You're not Infect.
i didnt and i am
I have mod-confirmed information that you are not (and it's not something ambiguous like "you must have lied because my ability didn't work"). Want to try again, or should we just lunch you?
...there's only one thing I can think of that might produce the results I got if Tom's telling the truth. I don't know if Proph can confirm, but I'll ask him.
...there's only one thing I can think of that might produce the results I got if Tom's telling the truth. I don't know if Proph can confirm, but I'll ask him.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Yeah no, Cantrip I think you’ve got something wrong, because regardless of tom’s alignment, he’s got a confirmable Role and there Jan literally no reason to lie about flavor. Like if he did so for fun and you called him out, it would Ben so much easier for him to just say “yeah, I’m actually _____, was just bored.”
On top of the fact that he was the counter claimed, and him picking a deck flavor out of a hat and just happening to not choose one that lines up with another.
So no, let’s not make this day stupid, we have plenty to work with.
Based on the wording of my results and how Proph responded to my question, it's possible that I was redirected to another player. If Az was telling the truth about his roleblock/rolecop aspect (which I think is a fair chance he was), then scum have a roleblock AND a delayer, so unlikely to have a redirect?
Anyone want to claim redirecting me away from Tom?
I mean, it really doesn't seem to make a lot of sense for Tom to lie about his Deck. As far as I know there's nothing incriminating about the decks in and of themselves. But I am prepared to accept that there could be a reason.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Based on the wording of my results and how Proph responded to my question, it's possible that I was redirected to another player. If Az was telling the truth about his roleblock/rolecop aspect (which I think is a fair chance he was), then scum have a roleblock AND a delayer, so unlikely to have a redirect?
Anyone want to claim redirecting me away from Tom?
So, unless this is just Cantrip-scum playing a very, very deep game, the most obvious explanation would be scum trying to re-direct the assumed Vig. ability you were basically claiming yesterday. Seems wrong that if you got re-directed, however, you would not be told who your new target was, and that you would get a misleading result thinking you had correctly targeted. That would actually be quite messed up.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
What potato would redirect a vig onto the other vig that the first vig CC’d and would most definitely have aimed at regardless?
Well, see, this theory here is that the scum were re-directing Cantrip onto someone else, yes? Which could still point to Tom being scum, obviously.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@Axel: an ambiguous redirect isn’t that messed up; spelling it out leads to the redirected player to end up confirmed town in a nonzero amount of scenarios.
Anyway, I’m gonna do some colorful eod wagons sometime tonight or tomorrow. Also, my autocorrect is behaving like a drunk monkey so sorry for random typos/seemingly strange wording (like the word “Jan” magically showing up in my last post, no idea what that’s about)
Cantrip, couldn't we solve this easier if you claim what deck you got?
I was gonna say. Do you have some other info than this?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Cantrip, couldn't we solve this easier if you claim what deck you got?
You're saying if I claim what deck "Tom" came up as? I didn't get a deck name, just "not Infect".
Hrm.
Please do not tell me you have an ability to ask if a player is a certain deck or not. And you asked if Tom was Infect. Instead of using the vig. ability you were implying you had.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
You're saying if I claim what deck "Tom" came up as? I didn't get a deck name, just "not Infect".
Oooooh.
Well, if scum had any reason to anticipate that (like their own ability of a similar type) that's a pretty good reason for Tom to have lied about his deck.
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Grapefruit21 (7): shadowlancerx, tomsloger, Megiddo, vezokpiraka, Axelrod, Cantripmancer, Lastwhisper
tomsloger (4): Vaimes, osieorb18, Grapefruit21, KittyCupCake
Sir Chris (1): Grapefruit21
Killjoy (1): Sir Chris
Abstain (1): Killjoy
That is a lynch!
Stay tuned for lynch scene.
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Grapefruit21 (7): shadowlancerx, tomsloger, Megiddo, vezokpiraka, Axelrod, Cantripmancer, Lastwhisper
tomsloger (4): Vaimes, osieorb18, Grapefruit21, KittyCupCake
Sir Chris (1): Grapefruit21
Killjoy (1): Sir Chris
Abstain (1): Killjoy
You've dispatched Amulet Titan and Mono-Green Tron, two big mana decks that have close to no interaction or closing speed against the power of HOGAAK. You even hear tales of Jeskai Control getting slaughtered by the power of the 'Gaak. I mean, can Lightning Bolt and Lightning Helix even match the power of an 8/8 on turn 2?
You sit at your next round hoping to bring the glory of the GAAK to more people. You lose the die roll and your opponent leads off with an Island and plays Serum Visions. You play a Stitcher's Supplier, milling over nothing. They untap, shock in a Steam Vents, then they play the card you dread most - a Goblin Electromancer.
"Oh no," you think to yourself. You've beaten up on all of these big mana decks, but you haven't played against anyone who could match speed of your deck. You cast a Faithless Looting, discarding a useless Lotleth Troll and a Bloodghast, then play a land to bring back the 'Ghast. You know that your start is simply too slow to get anything going, and sure enough, your opponent storms off on Turn 3 - casting many Manamorphoses, Desperate Rituals, and Past in Flames. You die a quick death and get ready for games 2 and 3.
Luckily, the postboard games play out much differently. You slam Leyline of the Void down in each of the games after the first, preventing them from utilizing the graveyard in order to get a quick kill, and you have the powerful Thoughtseize to get rid of their mana reducers. Combine that with a quick clock consisting of Vengevines and Carrion Feeders, and you're off to the races. Blue red decks don't have any graveyard hate!
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Hey Tom, why'd you lie about your deck? You're not Infect.
(Oh...I have a theory...hmm)
I would also like to know this.
Oh, a role cop, that's not the part I guessed.
Vote Tom
(So yes, question stands)
That, and I'm stoked as all get out about the results.
Also, I'm moderately interested in Meg being "bulletproof" but also dead and if someone has an explanation for that. Also, if Cantrip attempted to shoot someone. Also how Cantrip knows Tom is not Infect when Cantrip claimed Vig.
So, I guess I have many questions of the moment. Not in any particular hurry though, so, Tom can go first.
Sure, scum just sucks and is apparently playing solely to fool me and no one else, I'll take it <_<.
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Doesn’t really matter imo.
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vote kj
Osi prolly twtbaw
On top of the fact that he was the counter claimed, and him picking a deck flavor out of a hat and just happening to not choose one that lines up with another.
So no, let’s not make this day stupid, we have plenty to work with.
Anyone want to claim redirecting me away from Tom?
Disappoint
Anyway, I’m gonna do some colorful eod wagons sometime tonight or tomorrow. Also, my autocorrect is behaving like a drunk monkey so sorry for random typos/seemingly strange wording (like the word “Jan” magically showing up in my last post, no idea what that’s about)
I was so happy.
Now I am so sad, because a redirect is the WORST possible outcome here.
And Tom sure doesn't sound like he's caught in a lie. :/
I am the real potato here.
Seems weird slash mistaken to not be explicitly informed of your target.
Please do not tell me you have an ability to ask if a player is a certain deck or not. And you asked if Tom was Infect. Instead of using the vig. ability you were implying you had.
Oooooh.
Well, if scum had any reason to anticipate that (like their own ability of a similar type) that's a pretty good reason for Tom to have lied about his deck.
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vez
Vaimes
KCC
Tom
Cantrip
Town lean
Axelrod
Sir Chris
PoE
Osie
Last
killjoy
This is where I’m feeling currently. After wagon analysis I’ll revisit this, but I think I want to:
Vote Last
KJ is not much better. Osie has some points in his favor.
@cantrip
What exactly is your role, and if it's not a vig, then why did you lie?
I'm still at work, I'll post more later