@Tom
Would you reiterate your case on Lngrr again? I just read through him again, and other than his poorly timed absence, I’m not seeing all that much.
I think his RVS posting about grape, where he talked about him purely [stylistically game to game], giving his opinions about grape completely devoid of "this game" context. Its not necessarily a partner interaction (that comes from grapes side) but its very much not a solvey one- that would be more "wait and see"
Think just about every opinion hes stated has been "x vs x" rather than pushing an individual read he believes in. Basically a subtle focus on sowing discord/creating dichotomies.
Which is ~fine from a moving parts/worldbuilding type of player like me or iso, but lngrr is not that.
His posts about you+me, where he spends a bunch of words saying your alignment doesnt matter im just scum, is super fske looking and way more likely to come from a wolf especially if youre also town which i feel ok about aorn because background thinking
And the "mostly disappearing act only popping in to talk about me after i started pushing him" really fits the profile of caught scum
im not sure how it should effect my worldbuilding? Silver and chris are both townies in the world i was talking about...
You keep saying that something i said about a single 3 man team should apply to other worlds im building so... you either dont understand how worldbuilding works or are just spouting nonsense dont know what to tell you man
So the teambuilding is LnG is scum, and I'm most likely as a buddy because of his handling of me early. I'm also likely because of wagon movement but also completely interchangeable with several others based on the same wagon movement. I'm also vaugely OMGUS'y and pushing Rhand but that's come later and been mentioned less by you.
So let me just say I'm not impressed by your world building. The crux is LnG reaching out to me which is in my scientific opinion bleh. The me tying LnG to Rhand seemed to be a big plank but you're calling it irrelevant now. And it basically seems to rest on the not particullary world building read of I'm scum reading people you're town reading.
So yeah I don't think you're legitmately building worlds where I'm scum based on worlds where LnG is scum.
Tom and Chris are on there and Rhand has singalled he's okay with this. Not loving this. But it's literally the only possible wagon at this stage which sucks. I'll hammer if needed but otherwise not coming on.
Tom and Chris are on there and Rhand has singalled he's okay with this. Not loving this. But it's literally the only possible wagon at this stage which sucks. I'll hammer if needed but otherwise not coming on.
I'd say go for it. I need a few days off from this game already.
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm going to work now so I won't be here for minute by minute votecounts. I'll post one on break and when I get off but it'll be on mobile. So plx be patient.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm going to work now so I won't be here for minute by minute votecounts. I'll post one on break and when I get off but it'll be on mobile. So plx be patient.
I think it's >rand that the speed with which LnG's wagon reformed is indicative of town!LnG, but I don't see anyone else being the lunch at this point. I'll hammer to prevent no lunch, but not otherwise. If LnG flips scum, I guess I'll have a lot of suspicion directed my way tomorrow, but so be it if that's the case.
If he flips town I can probably be a real wagon tomorrow
If youre into that sort of thing
probably, tomorrow is a good day to sort you
@Grape
Like I said, I don't think tom or Rhand has to be town, but I wouldn't Lynch today over you or Lng, also why are you trying so hard to sway the lynch,
You posts don't come off like, "Lng is actually obvious town, so we should vote here or here", but rather, I'm trying to save a wolf partner
Even in terms of yourself, it doesn't feel like u are trying to live as a town, but a wolf, if I'm wrong I'm wrong, but you two are the best lynches imo
@Grape
Like I said, I don't think tom or Rhand has to be town, but I wouldn't Lynch today over you or Lng, also why are you trying so hard to sway the lynch,
You posts don't come off like, "Lng is actually obvious town, so we should vote here or here", but rather, I'm trying to save a wolf partner
Even in terms of yourself, it doesn't feel like u are trying to live as a town, but a wolf, if I'm wrong I'm wrong, but you two are the best lynches imo
Because I think tom and Rhand are significantly scummier than LnG. I have him at slightly below a shrug. I have tom and Rhand at various levels of noisy alarms.
And I'm not trying to live because I'm not remotely worried and haven't been particularly worried all day.
And I think LnG was on V/LA but came off it in the last few days but still hasn't posted. Not sure when he came off.
He was but he never said when he'd be back and I don't actually know if he still is or not since it wasn't in the vote count lol.
@Grape: tom is ~probably town because if he is a wolf he is either (1) bussing LnGrrr or (2) he pushed LnGrrr when he didn't actually need to unless his partners are you and Rhand. Neither of those seem likely at the moment.
I don't have a town read on Rhand but the wagon has no traction. How strongly do you feel about this "LnGrrr is a villager because no one is trying to save him but me" thing? Why do you think the wolves aren't bussing their low hanging fruit for the cred?
@Silver I'm not really convinced either way on LnG. Given that I was the probable other swing wagon (and I know I'm town) I am inclined to think wolves had something to do with it, but at the same time LnG was such a non entity that there was basically carte blanche to push him. You're right that I've not been looking at this the right way. Going to try and reconcile my opinions.
I certainly would have preferred he be here to spew people if scum and have a chance to turn things around if town but you cant always get what you want.
Okay so this LnG wagon feels like that typical town driven compromise low effort wagon that is so typical of D1. Usually in those worlds scum aren't heavily pushing for that target unless they were first because they don't need to.
I think tom is scum for his handling of me. But he's also been actively pushing LnG all game. So from a scum pov that would require him to have been bussing or hard pushing out of the gates. Which is unlike tom in either case.
So I have to figure out which world is most likely:
A: Town!tom confidently pushing LnG
B: Scum!tom hyper bussing LnG
C: Scum!tom pushing town!LnG
B is the most unlike tom's average game. He's due for a hard bus at some stage, but this doesn't feel like him pulling the trigger.
C feels less likely than A in a vacuum but tom's handling of his "worldbuiling" and me feels so wrong this game. For C to happen I basically have to rationalize it as tom wanting to spar with LnG early and getting stuck with a hard scum read on a townie when LnG vanished on him. A doesn't need any sort of justifcation.
....
I guess that adds up to Rhand being some amount more likely than tom.
Willing to vote Rhand, Tom, LnG (to avoid losing a flip), Chris, Tubba, and Shadow. Rhand and Tom are lapping the field in terms of eagerness for me though.
I have much less time this trip than I thought, I apologize. Just did a quick(ish) catchup, and seriously, first off, what even is wrong with the 3 or so people saying they’d vote me, literally nothing has changed since I went on V/LA you ninnies.
I’m not moving my vote, rhand is townie, Grape is townie, Last is self resolving and I’m never lynching Chris or Tom day one with the effort they’ve each put in. Stop playing games and lynch Lng like we should have and not had an extension to piddle around with. If he’s not scum, it’s unlikely at this point he’ll clear himself, and another replacement is just not good.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I choose to interpret this as self-hammering scum and tomorrow's going to be a lot of fun given how much I pushed away from him, but we'll still have one scum down so it'll all be ok.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
LnGrrrR (6) - tomsloger (#144), shadowlancerx (#353), Lastwshisper (#487), Sir Chris (#839), Silvercrys3467 (#843), Rodemy (#858)
Tom probably town, Shadow still questionable (hi, Shadow *waves*), Wisp town, Chris best candidate for the bus, but Silver possible, too. Rod more town than scum.
There, that ought to be plenty of chuckle fuel for the spec chat.
So we should be going on either Lng (preferred) or Grapefruit
Hands down
Can we get a vote count?
But here you go
Chris (2) - rod, cantrip
tom (2) - LnGrr, Grape
Silver (1) - Tubba
Grape (1) - rhand
Not Voting: Vaimes
So the teambuilding is LnG is scum, and I'm most likely as a buddy because of his handling of me early. I'm also likely because of wagon movement but also completely interchangeable with several others based on the same wagon movement. I'm also vaugely OMGUS'y and pushing Rhand but that's come later and been mentioned less by you.
So let me just say I'm not impressed by your world building. The crux is LnG reaching out to me which is in my scientific opinion bleh. The me tying LnG to Rhand seemed to be a big plank but you're calling it irrelevant now. And it basically seems to rest on the not particullary world building read of I'm scum reading people you're town reading.
So yeah I don't think you're legitmately building worlds where I'm scum based on worlds where LnG is scum.
Vote LnGrrr
I'd say go for it. I need a few days off from this game already.
Votecount 1.10
LnGrrrR (6) - tomsloger (#144), shadowlancerx (#353), Lastwshisper (#487), Sir Chris (#839), Silvercrys3467 (#843), Rodemy (#858)
tomsloger (2) - LnGrrrR (#153) Grapefruit21 (#731)
Grapefruit (1) - Rhand (#751)
Silvercrys3467 (1) - Tubba Fett (#732)
Sir Chris (1) - Cantripmancer (#818)
Not Voting: Vaimes
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch!
V/LA: Shadow until the 13th
Vaimes on weekends
Deadline is Sun July 9 at 12 midnight Pacfic Time. Approx 6 hours from now.
If he flips town I can probably be a real wagon tomorrow
If youre into that sort of thing
Bonus though: now if he flips scum, I'll choose to interpret your confidence as TMI. 😋
@Grape
Like I said, I don't think tom or Rhand has to be town, but I wouldn't Lynch today over you or Lng, also why are you trying so hard to sway the lynch,
You posts don't come off like, "Lng is actually obvious town, so we should vote here or here", but rather, I'm trying to save a wolf partner
Even in terms of yourself, it doesn't feel like u are trying to live as a town, but a wolf, if I'm wrong I'm wrong, but you two are the best lynches imo
Because I think tom and Rhand are significantly scummier than LnG. I have him at slightly below a shrug. I have tom and Rhand at various levels of noisy alarms.
And I'm not trying to live because I'm not remotely worried and haven't been particularly worried all day.
And I think LnG was on V/LA but came off it in the last few days but still hasn't posted. Not sure when he came off.
Why, again, is Wisp town? Oh yeah, the claim... 😒
So I'm game to say whatever I want
@Grape: tom is ~probably town because if he is a wolf he is either (1) bussing LnGrrr or (2) he pushed LnGrrr when he didn't actually need to unless his partners are you and Rhand. Neither of those seem likely at the moment.
I don't have a town read on Rhand but the wagon has no traction. How strongly do you feel about this "LnGrrr is a villager because no one is trying to save him but me" thing? Why do you think the wolves aren't bussing their low hanging fruit for the cred?
In fact, everyone's next post should have a list of players they'd be willing to vote toDay.
Mine is LnGrrr, Rhand, Grape. Might be persuaded to vote shadow if the case is strong enough.
I think tom is scum for his handling of me. But he's also been actively pushing LnG all game. So from a scum pov that would require him to have been bussing or hard pushing out of the gates. Which is unlike tom in either case.
So I have to figure out which world is most likely:
A: Town!tom confidently pushing LnG
B: Scum!tom hyper bussing LnG
C: Scum!tom pushing town!LnG
B is the most unlike tom's average game. He's due for a hard bus at some stage, but this doesn't feel like him pulling the trigger.
C feels less likely than A in a vacuum but tom's handling of his "worldbuiling" and me feels so wrong this game. For C to happen I basically have to rationalize it as tom wanting to spar with LnG early and getting stuck with a hard scum read on a townie when LnG vanished on him. A doesn't need any sort of justifcation.
....
I guess that adds up to Rhand being some amount more likely than tom.
Vote: Rhand
Less than 3 hours. Absolute worst case scenario is no lunch. Please let's not let that happen.
I’m not moving my vote, rhand is townie, Grape is townie, Last is self resolving and I’m never lynching Chris or Tom day one with the effort they’ve each put in. Stop playing games and lynch Lng like we should have and not had an extension to piddle around with. If he’s not scum, it’s unlikely at this point he’ll clear himself, and another replacement is just not good.
Giving myself 30 minutes but consider this notice of intent to hammer.
Votecount 1.11
LnGrrrR (6) - tomsloger (#144), shadowlancerx (#353), Lastwshisper (#487), Sir Chris (#839), Silvercrys3467 (#843), Rodemy (#858)
tomsloger (1) - LnGrrrR (#153)
Grapefruit (1) - Rhand (#751)
Silvercrys3467 (1) - Tubba Fett (#732)
Sir Chris (1) - Cantripmancer (#818)
Rhand (1) - Grapefruit21 (#880)
Not Voting: Vaimes
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch!
V/LA: Shadow until the 13th
Vaimes on weekends
Deadline is Sun July 9 at 12 midnight Pacfic Time. Approx 2 hours from now!
While I am rereading, feel free to fire away with any questions.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Vote LnGrrrR
Sorry for my absence guys. Good luck to the team.
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Happy playing all! And anyone who wants to provide pointers on playing scum after the game, I am all ears
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am I lock town yet?
And vaimes tbh
LnGrrrR (6) - tomsloger (#144), shadowlancerx (#353), Lastwshisper (#487), Sir Chris (#839), Silvercrys3467 (#843), Rodemy (#858)
Tom probably town, Shadow still questionable (hi, Shadow *waves*), Wisp town, Chris best candidate for the bus, but Silver possible, too. Rod more town than scum.
There, that ought to be plenty of chuckle fuel for the spec chat.
I can't tell if this is sincere or related to your in character posting
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