That... makes me a little more weary of you tbh. How has he OOOOOZED confidence? i'm just saying wolfChris has no belief in himself whatsoever but that is also behind the scenes.
For a while it seemed like every other post extolled his virtues and his certainty that he was going to outperform everyone this game. His numerous mafia awards were mentioned more than once. Several comments to the effect of "Am I (Chris) bad, or is it everyone else? Must be everyone else."
To the point where I thought he had to be posturing, but when he and I butted heads, I ISO'd him in DitF and found similar posts that defused a lot of my suspicion on that front. But I'll be interested to hear your take.
@Cantrip: If you're going for the sweep, sure, lunching a wolf is always optimal, but at this point in my career I'm not actually sure lunching a wolf on D1 gives you overall better odds of winning the game I've been part of many, many villages who lunched a wolf who went into antispew early and their associatives were so completely muddied because they had very few posts and already knew their lunch was inevitable that the game became almost impossible to solve.
Fair enough.
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Wolf!tom doesn't need to hard push the LnGrrr wagon, it's pretty much inevitable right now so the only reason to try to drive it home is if one or both of his partners are next on the block.
Oh my god is Rhand actually scum? I was like just poking him to see where it went and he like full on went "CHRIS THINKS I AM SCUM, OH MY GOD" defense mode.
Oh god I am now HYPED for a conversation with Rhand.
Hm, and why Columbo?
THIS! THIS RIGHT HERE IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
This whole interaction where he called rhand scum. Rhand and then tubba calls him out and he goes JK I WAS POKING.
That is the kind of anti confidence i am talking about. read it as if he just went OH *****, and it makes sense.
Hi Rhand. I know that game cause I nailed scum!Tubba, it was one of my better catches.
Talk to me about Chris, why is he scum?
HOLY ***** I THINK SHADOW IS SCUM.
If he was following the Chris vs Rhand debate (LIKE HE SAID HE WAS)he would absolutly already know why he thinks chris is scum. (it isn't some hidden unspoken thing, rhand ahd been straightforward about his thoughts on Chris) Asking this question is redundant and a possible slip considering rhand has just turned his sights to him as well. A slip being: He has no reason to ask this question unless he just wants to appear town.
I think I am taking Rhand vs Chris in that war. That is partially due to Chris's bombast and overall pomposity.
Also...
Vote Tubba
I liked Rhand's catch on the RB/JK post. That is such a weirdly specific comment to make, early on in a game, and not considering whether it was scum or town before outing feels off.
@Shin, so... was your Tom vote RVS or not?
I can see how sloppy that Tubba vote is. I really can. Lemme see where this goes.
Okay he switched to.. tom?
@Shin yeah, you were wrong to think that. I don't have a read on Tom at this stage. I think I'll be able to read him but I can't yet.
@Shadow what do you think of Silver? I'm trying to process his play right now and I've lost track of the ball a bit.
So here is a thing. Up to this point i was wondering why shadow hasn't mentioned his own reads on.. anyone? His 76 has a hint to more than just a few light reads (one of them mirroring tom) but doesn't want to because "sunday" (similar to his Ruma question. hints to wanting to ask.. but doesn't)
And grape just tosses him this. I have been following silver pretty well to this point. I don't see why Grape wants to talk to shadow about this specifically unless it's a tossup so shadow can have an "opinion" on something
I want people to ISO Shadow. Does something feel.. off? I don't see a lot of original reads. and a lot of.. Saying he has reads but not really sharing them. I have a huge suspicion of Shadow now.
So at this point scumteam could probably be
Chris/Shadow/Grape/?
idk if there are 3 or 4 but those 3 seem... best bet.
Rumi/last whisper could be a wildcard/4th i guess.
lets see a flip and lets make it one of those 3.
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@Cantrip: Just to be sure we're on the same page, your question is
In a hypothetical world where tom and grape are wolves together and LnGrrr is a villager, why would tom say Grape is a wolf with LnGrrr?
Because it gives him an out to not push his partner after LnGrrr flips town and also puts (negligible, granted) distance between him and Grape because of the wolf read.
Tying partners to villagers is like, staple wolf!tom play.
@Cantrip I didn't forget who I was voting. I forgot that Silver was voting LnG but not really pushing him. He was blatantly not actively pushing him preferring to pressure Ruma. That makes the 3 smart individuals are unlikely to be wrong/in cahoots read a lot shakier.
Chris doesnt make sense with lngrr though. Ive literally never seen scumchris be a team player...
I honestly have no idea how to read Rodemy but I will say any lack of confidence I had in scum chat was just because I couldn't be very effective.
But I also don't think any type of Chris ever says 'oh *****' in the face of very, very light probing of my motives so that is probably where your suspicion goes to die.
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Also I find this Tom/Lngr dynamic very... interesting. Also I like how I point out to Tom earlier why me and lngr are never scum together and he now just goes "oh yeah I guess that team doesnt make sense."
I like my Tom vote.
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Lngrr is straight omgus
Chris voting because "an active must be scum"
Grape because he... doesnt read in context i guess? Is pretending to not understand how worldbuilding works?
Cantrip because i wouldnt read for him?
Feel like theyre all >rand scum separate from that (well, chris pretty literally =rand for me) but how many would really vote me even if i was currently pushing 2 or 3 scum?
Also I find this Tom/Lngr dynamic very... interesting. Also I like how I point out to Tom earlier why me and lngr are never scum together and he now just goes "oh yeah I guess that team doesnt make sense."
I like my Tom vote.
i dont remember you pointing that out or why its relevant since ive said it before, but why would that be scummy anyway?
Honestly? You are probably bussing him so I really like this wagon formation. He has to be tanking at this point <_<.
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I honestly have no idea how to read Rodemy but I will say any lack of confidence I had in scum chat was just because I couldn't be very effective.
But I also don't think any type of Chris ever says 'oh *****' in the face of very, very light probing of my motives so that is probably where your suspicion goes to die.
Also I find this Tom/Lngr dynamic very... interesting. Also I like how I point out to Tom earlier why me and lngr are never scum together and he now just goes "oh yeah I guess that team doesnt make sense."
I like my Tom vote.
just went and looked hun
You pointed out how you werent scum with lngrr literally in response to me saying i thought you werent
Which is why i asked what you were talking about at the time
Sorry, I just ran out of energy this weekend. Happens to me sometimes these days.
Just to be clear Tom, if someone I think is clearly town is town you will look at me, the person who voted for an extension to give in your world scum Lng more time publicly.
Hm. Interesting take.
Use more nouns babe I dont know who youre talking about.
But i have no read on you currently thats why id want to look into you...
I may have misread the initial post I responded to, Tom, looking back. I thought you were saying you had to look into me after today if lng was scum but now I realize it really means the opposite so fair enough on that point.
Rodemy are you really describing him doing 'post game bragging' as me caring is really strange, Rodemy. You are a strange one. Although last time you were a strange one you were scum. I mean I guess it is possible you just are making up for lost time with the scum rolls.
Also in fact, let's just pounce on the this.
##vote: Rodemy
You know no one is ever lynching me day 1, you are just trying to get points for some weird bold stand and what you're really doing is wasting everyone's time.
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I will say though an active must be scum isn't such a crazy theory. Especially when you consider we aren't cohesive right now which should be a little concerning. Unfortunately I am prone to bouts of no energy due to medical issues so my will to fight comes and goes.
I stand by my town reads though. Especially Grape. That boy is fine.
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Rodemy, I'm pretty sure we're not lunching Shadow toDay given that he's V/LA and hasn't gotten a lot of scrutiny.
My vote of Rhand you quoted: No, I didn't feel like his suspicion on Chris was forced, just maybe a little OMGUS-y. And I don't think Rhand ever actually voted Chris around there?
Why Tom-as-Peacock (as opposed to any of the other characters-who-likely-aren't-appearing-in-this-game)?
Wisp claimed targeting IC (she targets a player and that player is told that she's town). Not lunching there.
Are you trying to derp with the "maybe 3, maybe 4" scum comment? In a 12-player game?
@Cantrip: Just to be sure we're on the same page, your question is
In a hypothetical world where tom and grape are wolves together and LnGrrr is a villager, why would tom say Grape is a wolf with LnGrrr?
Because it gives him an out to not push his partner after LnGrrr flips town and also puts (negligible, granted) distance between him and Grape because of the wolf read.
Tying partners to villagers is like, staple wolf!tom play.
That's pretty much what I was expecting you to say, but it felt like I had to drag it out of you. Like I had to drag info out of Tom. So now my question is: why say "unless Tom's team is specifically Grape/Rhand"? Because Rhand isn't in any of his worlds.
@Cantrip I didn't forget who I was voting. I forgot that Silver was voting LnG but not really pushing him. He was blatantly not actively pushing him preferring to pressure Ruma. That makes the 3 smart individuals are unlikely to be wrong/in cahoots read a lot shakier.
Chris doesnt make sense with lngrr though. Ive literally never seen scumchris be a team player...
Lol, actually, yeah, pretty much. I didn't remember making a pre-flip association between you and LnG, and when I iso'd Grape I didn't see what you were talking about on that front, so I assumed both statements were baloney, especially when you kept refusing to answer me.
I may have misread the initial post I responded to, Tom, looking back. I thought you were saying you had to look into me after today if lng was scum but now I realize it really means the opposite so fair enough on that point.
Rodemy are you really describing him doing 'post game bragging' as me caring is really strange, Rodemy. You are a strange one. Although last time you were a strange one you were scum. I mean I guess it is possible you just are making up for lost time with the scum rolls.
Also in fact, let's just pounce on the this.
##vote: Rodemy
You know no one is ever lynching me day 1, you are just trying to get points for some weird bold stand and what you're really doing is wasting everyone's time.
OK, I get it, you're cool for voting the really good player <_<.
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@Cantrip: Because Rhand was LnGrrr's largest counterwagon at the time and he doesn't care if Rhand is the lunch?
It's just a very broad gamestate read that wolf!tom doesn't need to try to ram the LnGrrr lunch through to advance his wincon unless Rhand and Grape are his partners because they're LnGrrr's counterwagons.
It might feel like you're having to drag it out of me but to me it feels like you're being intentionally obtuse.
Im actually townreading rhand reasonably strongly. Part of the reason i renewed my push rather than sitting back to watch more was him being the counterwagon.
At Cant: I am not trying to derp i just don't honestly know if it's 3 or 4 scum.
Tom as Peacock : Have you seen Clue? the movie? Peacock was... raunchy. and i figure that is who tom is Emulating. (This IS a Clue based game, is it not?)
Oh well let's find out who LW's target is shall we?
Like i said. wild card.
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@Chris: I don’t want to step on your parade, but this game is packed with really good players.
That doesn’t make your Rodemy vote any good though.
Where are they? Seriously let's not pretend that most of the game has been very low effort (I am not well and I am by far and away the third leading poster) and we are on the final day with no really great wagon.
Plus My Rodemy vote is informed from the fact that the last time I saw a scum rodemy as town he had the same weird, not very good vote. But we literally have someone who has sandbagged for over a week and is still doing that so I guess it is what it is.
Also I'd have to re-read why I town read Grape but I remember it was pretty good.
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@Cantrip: Because Rhand was LnGrrr's largest counterwagon at the time and he doesn't care if Rhand is the lunch?
It's just a very broad gamestate read that wolf!tom doesn't need to try to ram the LnGrrr lunch through to advance his wincon unless Rhand and Grape are his partners because they're LnGrrr's counterwagons.
Hmm. Ok, I can (finally) see where that comes from.
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It might feel like you're having to drag it out of me but to me it feels like you're being intentionally obtuse.
If you ever seriously feel this way about me, any game, please say so. That's not how I want to win when I'm scum, and I *won't* win if I'm doing that as town. I thought my question was pretty straightforward: I didn't understand how you settled on Grape/Rhand as the perfect storm for scum!Tom to push LnG's wagon.
At Cant: I am not trying to derp i just don't honestly know if it's 3 or 4 scum.
...have you EVER seen a 12-player game (on MTGS, at least) with more than 3 scum?
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Tom as Peacock : Have you seen Clue? the movie? Peacock was... raunchy. and i figure that is who tom is Emulating. (This IS a Clue based game, is it not?)
Um...no, I thought Peacock was the prudish chatty one. If I were to equate Tom to a character in the movie, it'd be Miss Scarlet (or maybe the maid?), but this game's flavor obviously doesn't mirror the movie beyond Mr. Boddy.
@Cantrip: Actually no, thought he was talking about tom otherwise I wouldn't have references his vote... also you still haven't connected the dots between "being a hypocrite for complaining about no one doing anything while also not doing anything" and "is a wolf" for the rest of the class.
Point about Grape ~stands because that is such an incredibly qualified statement but it isn't quite as bad as I thought since he isn't talking about tom.
@Grape: to be clear you thought I was inside of my wolf range while top posting but it would difficult, though not impossible, for me to make the posts I made to Chris as a wolf?
Yes, that is what I was saying. It's not completely inconceivable you did that as a wolf but it's highly unlikely.
@Cantrip I didn't forget who I was voting. I forgot that Silver was voting LnG but not really pushing him. He was blatantly not actively pushing him preferring to pressure Ruma. That makes the 3 smart individuals are unlikely to be wrong/in cahoots read a lot shakier.
Chris doesnt make sense with lngrr though. Ive literally never seen scumchris be a team player...
Cantrip already said this but how does that not impact your world building at all? Seems pretty relevant to the world you were building.
Also touching on 810 I understand how worldbuilding works but the assumptions you're using are ones that have been so far wrong that I have a hard time believing that you believe them. Like maybe you made a mistake on the who I was tying to LnG thing, but for that to cause no introspection feels incredibly wrong for town!tom.
@Cantrip: Actually no, thought he was talking about tom otherwise I wouldn't have references his vote... also you still haven't connected the dots between "being a hypocrite for complaining about no one doing anything while also not doing anything" and "is a wolf" for the rest of the class.
Point about Grape ~stands because that is such an incredibly qualified statement but it isn't quite as bad as I thought since he isn't talking about tom.
@Grape: to be clear you thought I was inside of my wolf range while top posting but it would difficult, though not impossible, for me to make the posts I made to Chris as a wolf?
Yes, that is what I was saying. It's not completely inconceivable you did that as a wolf but it's highly unlikely.
@Cantrip I didn't forget who I was voting. I forgot that Silver was voting LnG but not really pushing him. He was blatantly not actively pushing him preferring to pressure Ruma. That makes the 3 smart individuals are unlikely to be wrong/in cahoots read a lot shakier.
Chris doesnt make sense with lngrr though. Ive literally never seen scumchris be a team player...
Cantrip already said this but how does that not impact your world building at all? Seems pretty relevant to the world you were building.
Also touching on 810 I understand how worldbuilding works but the assumptions you're using are ones that have been so far wrong that I have a hard time believing that you believe them. Like maybe you made a mistake on the who I was tying to LnG thing, but for that to cause no introspection feels incredibly wrong for town!tom.
im not sure how it should effect my worldbuilding? Silver and chris are both townies in the world i was talking about...
You keep saying that something i said about a single 3 man team should apply to other worlds im building so... you either dont understand how worldbuilding works or are just spouting nonsense dont know what to tell you man
Also just because you are top 3 poster means nothing. I just replaced in so my post count is at the bottom, but i am still town soo.
Also what weird vote? My vote on you comes from somewhere. I literally went through my thought process on this.
Rodemy. We were scumbuddies last game. You may have forgotten because you replaced.
Also I tend to post more as town, it's a fact you can look it up.
Anyway
##vote: Lngr
There's no helping those that won't help themselves.
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Also just because you are top 3 poster means nothing. I just replaced in so my post count is at the bottom, but i am still town soo.
Also what weird vote? My vote on you comes from somewhere. I literally went through my thought process on this.
Sigh. As funny as I would personally find it to let this slapstick continue, this isn't helping.
Rod. I'm pretty sure Chris was saying "the last time I (Chris) saw a scum Rodemy when I (Chris) was town". I think you're interpreting it as "a scum Rodemy [that was] town"? Preeeetty sure that's not the slip you think it was.
I'm afk for a bit, but should be on to talk more before deadline. I'm currently voting Chris for his OMGUS on Rod and the response to Tom in 815 (I don't think Chris seriously confused Tom's intentions), and now also for the self-pres jump back to LnG.
Not sure what to make of Chris offering that he posts more as town as a defense but wouldn't accept that defense for me earlier because meta reads are bad or whatever.
Maybe I'll just laugh at it.
vote: LnGrrr
We need to do ~something there's only like 7.5 hours left I'm pretty sure.
If someone would like to open the floor for an actual counter wagon I'll be here. Wagons in Chris and tom don't count, they're probably villagers and not getting lunched toDay at minimum.
I'll be in and out for the rest of the Day but can't promise I won't pass out before deadline since it's at 3 AM my time.
Also just because you are top 3 poster means nothing. I just replaced in so my post count is at the bottom, but i am still town soo.
Also what weird vote? My vote on you comes from somewhere. I literally went through my thought process on this.
Sigh. As funny as I would personally find it to let this slapstick continue, this isn't helping.
Rod. I'm pretty sure Chris was saying "the last time I (Chris) saw a scum Rodemy when I (Chris) was town". I think you're interpreting it as "a scum Rodemy [that was] town"? Preeeetty sure that's not the slip you think it was.
But Chris can still be scum, for other reasons.
No he meant the latter. He even clarified that's what he meant. "when we were both scum"
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These are the most thought fill posts I've seen from rodemy compared to all his posts in GoT and the other game combined, I'm not touching that slot even with a stick, you could throw a bone that way and I still wouldn't go near it
@chris
Exactly what are u trying to accomplish poking there?
I even find it weird that people keep bringing up the viames/shin slot when it two games where he was scum, meta seemed to save him
If Tom is getting voted today, then ehs either not a wolf, or again the wolves are way to weak to push off him, Tom's train feels like the train you would see as a counter train to a scum wagon, the dude has made a variation of open wolf posts even in his townie at game, so that's not even a good case coming from Grape
So ya, not voting Tom today, not voting Rodemy
Same goes for Chris, not touching that slot either
Not saying they have to be town, I'm just saying the speculation of them being a wolf off day 1 posts is definitely not enough for me to vote off people that seem to be providing the most real thoughts
Day phase ends tonight if I'm correct, at 3am my time, I'll definitely be around midnight after I get out of work
Grape/Grr/Shadow and maybe Rhand are all good votes
Grr lurking this much is more in line with his scum game anyways, Grapes hedging and world building is just obnoxious even for day 1 standards, have no idea where #834 comes from
To the point where I thought he had to be posturing, but when he and I butted heads, I ISO'd him in DitF and found similar posts that defused a lot of my suspicion on that front. But I'll be interested to hear your take.
Fair enough.
But why would he include Grape in those worlds?
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THIS! THIS RIGHT HERE IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
This whole interaction where he called rhand scum. Rhand and then tubba calls him out and he goes JK I WAS POKING.
That is the kind of anti confidence i am talking about. read it as if he just went OH *****, and it makes sense.
With no input as to who he sees as what in this argument. Great fence sit there.
HOLY ***** I THINK SHADOW IS SCUM.
If he was following the Chris vs Rhand debate (LIKE HE SAID HE WAS)he would absolutly already know why he thinks chris is scum. (it isn't some hidden unspoken thing, rhand ahd been straightforward about his thoughts on Chris) Asking this question is redundant and a possible slip considering rhand has just turned his sights to him as well. A slip being: He has no reason to ask this question unless he just wants to appear town.
This was a vote on rhand saying his pushes on Grape and Shadow felt forced. Yet he was also pushin on Chris. Was that not forced? why only those two?
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Someone better put toms avatar on a Mrs Peacock ASAP because i need this in my life.
Even better if they use his actual face.
okay moving on
I can see how sloppy that Tubba vote is. I really can. Lemme see where this goes.
Okay he switched to.. tom?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. **** Tom. I love you.
So here is a thing. Up to this point i was wondering why shadow hasn't mentioned his own reads on.. anyone? His 76 has a hint to more than just a few light reads (one of them mirroring tom) but doesn't want to because "sunday" (similar to his Ruma question. hints to wanting to ask.. but doesn't)
And grape just tosses him this. I have been following silver pretty well to this point. I don't see why Grape wants to talk to shadow about this specifically unless it's a tossup so shadow can have an "opinion" on something
I want people to ISO Shadow. Does something feel.. off? I don't see a lot of original reads. and a lot of.. Saying he has reads but not really sharing them. I have a huge suspicion of Shadow now.
So at this point scumteam could probably be
Chris/Shadow/Grape/?
idk if there are 3 or 4 but those 3 seem... best bet.
Rumi/last whisper could be a wildcard/4th i guess.
lets see a flip and lets make it one of those 3.
In a hypothetical world where tom and grape are wolves together and LnGrrr is a villager, why would tom say Grape is a wolf with LnGrrr?
Because it gives him an out to not push his partner after LnGrrr flips town and also puts (negligible, granted) distance between him and Grape because of the wolf read.
Tying partners to villagers is like, staple wolf!tom play.
He tied chris to both rhand and will, lngrr to silver
My b
Chris doesnt make sense with lngrr though. Ive literally never seen scumchris be a team player...
But I also don't think any type of Chris ever says 'oh *****' in the face of very, very light probing of my motives so that is probably where your suspicion goes to die.
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Also I find this Tom/Lngr dynamic very... interesting. Also I like how I point out to Tom earlier why me and lngr are never scum together and he now just goes "oh yeah I guess that team doesnt make sense."
I like my Tom vote.
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Lngrr is straight omgus
Chris voting because "an active must be scum"
Grape because he... doesnt read in context i guess? Is pretending to not understand how worldbuilding works?
Cantrip because i wouldnt read for him?
Feel like theyre all >rand scum separate from that (well, chris pretty literally =rand for me) but how many would really vote me even if i was currently pushing 2 or 3 scum?
Kinda hope its 3 just stylin but eh
Whats our dynamic? I catch him and he disappears?
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This is his reply to your "light probe" and you portray him to be SUPER DEFENSE MODE. I say it's him calling you out on your *****.
My vote on chris stands.
You pointed out how you werent scum with lngrr literally in response to me saying i thought you werent
Which is why i asked what you were talking about at the time
Rodemy are you really describing him doing 'post game bragging' as me caring is really strange, Rodemy. You are a strange one. Although last time you were a strange one you were scum. I mean I guess it is possible you just are making up for lost time with the scum rolls.
Also in fact, let's just pounce on the this.
##vote: Rodemy
You know no one is ever lynching me day 1, you are just trying to get points for some weird bold stand and what you're really doing is wasting everyone's time.
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I stand by my town reads though. Especially Grape. That boy is fine.
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My vote of Rhand you quoted: No, I didn't feel like his suspicion on Chris was forced, just maybe a little OMGUS-y. And I don't think Rhand ever actually voted Chris around there?
Why Tom-as-Peacock (as opposed to any of the other characters-who-likely-aren't-appearing-in-this-game)?
Wisp claimed targeting IC (she targets a player and that player is told that she's town). Not lunching there.
Are you trying to derp with the "maybe 3, maybe 4" scum comment? In a 12-player game?
That's pretty much what I was expecting you to say, but it felt like I had to drag it out of you. Like I had to drag info out of Tom. So now my question is: why say "unless Tom's team is specifically Grape/Rhand"? Because Rhand isn't in any of his worlds.
So how does that impact your world building?
Lol, actually, yeah, pretty much. I didn't remember making a pre-flip association between you and LnG, and when I iso'd Grape I didn't see what you were talking about on that front, so I assumed both statements were baloney, especially when you kept refusing to answer me.
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And wasnt your grape townread for "thinking about the game" when he was thinking about a random hypothetical question instead of the game?
It's just a very broad gamestate read that wolf!tom doesn't need to try to ram the LnGrrr lunch through to advance his wincon unless Rhand and Grape are his partners because they're LnGrrr's counterwagons.
It might feel like you're having to drag it out of me but to me it feels like you're being intentionally obtuse.
That doesn’t make your Rodemy vote any good though.
So pretty decent conclusion
At Cant: I am not trying to derp i just don't honestly know if it's 3 or 4 scum.
Tom as Peacock : Have you seen Clue? the movie? Peacock was... raunchy. and i figure that is who tom is Emulating. (This IS a Clue based game, is it not?)
Oh well let's find out who LW's target is shall we?
Like i said. wild card.
Idk For some reason i thought tom was the maid.
Where are they? Seriously let's not pretend that most of the game has been very low effort (I am not well and I am by far and away the third leading poster) and we are on the final day with no really great wagon.
Plus My Rodemy vote is informed from the fact that the last time I saw a scum rodemy as town he had the same weird, not very good vote. But we literally have someone who has sandbagged for over a week and is still doing that so I guess it is what it is.
Also I'd have to re-read why I town read Grape but I remember it was pretty good.
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If you ever seriously feel this way about me, any game, please say so. That's not how I want to win when I'm scum, and I *won't* win if I'm doing that as town. I thought my question was pretty straightforward: I didn't understand how you settled on Grape/Rhand as the perfect storm for scum!Tom to push LnG's wagon.
...have you EVER seen a 12-player game (on MTGS, at least) with more than 3 scum?
Um...no, I thought Peacock was the prudish chatty one. If I were to equate Tom to a character in the movie, it'd be Miss Scarlet (or maybe the maid?), but this game's flavor obviously doesn't mirror the movie beyond Mr. Boddy.
Um.. What? Why did you specify "as town"?
Also just because you are top 3 poster means nothing. I just replaced in so my post count is at the bottom, but i am still town soo.
Also what weird vote? My vote on you comes from somewhere. I literally went through my thought process on this.
Tbh i barely remember 12 player mafia games D:
And you got to the conclusion re: Tom as a maid too! YAY.
So 3 mafia.
Chris
Shadow
Grape.
The people nobody wants to lynch. Wellllll *****.
Yes, that is what I was saying. It's not completely inconceivable you did that as a wolf but it's highly unlikely.
I really like Cantrip running this point down. I am surprised he unvoted in the end but this is a pretty important point.
Cantrip already said this but how does that not impact your world building at all? Seems pretty relevant to the world you were building.
Also touching on 810 I understand how worldbuilding works but the assumptions you're using are ones that have been so far wrong that I have a hard time believing that you believe them. Like maybe you made a mistake on the who I was tying to LnG thing, but for that to cause no introspection feels incredibly wrong for town!tom.
Adjust accordingly
If LnG is scum Rhand?/?[Silver??/Rod???]
See, I think that is where i cannot agree. Give me a case on him. I iso'd him and it reads typical LnGrrr. Although i have no clue how to read him.
His lack of posting is typical, isn't it. So what else do you got besides that.
You keep saying that something i said about a single 3 man team should apply to other worlds im building so... you either dont understand how worldbuilding works or are just spouting nonsense dont know what to tell you man
Rodemy. We were scumbuddies last game. You may have forgotten because you replaced.
Also I tend to post more as town, it's a fact you can look it up.
Anyway
##vote: Lngr
There's no helping those that won't help themselves.
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CHRIS I LITERALLY MADE THE ARGUMENT THAT WE WERE SCUM BUDDIES IN GoT SO THATS HOW I KNOW YOU DOUBT YOURSELF. WHAT ARE YOU DOING.
You just.. pretended i forgot? For the sake of an argument. Btw, "as town" was a slip and you know it.
Also hitting that low hanging fruit i might just switch to Chris Shadow and Tom. Which would make this a very hard game >_>
Rod. I'm pretty sure Chris was saying "the last time I (Chris) saw a scum Rodemy when I (Chris) was town". I think you're interpreting it as "a scum Rodemy [that was] town"? Preeeetty sure that's not the slip you think it was.
But Chris can still be scum, for other reasons.
Maybe I'll just laugh at it.
vote: LnGrrr
We need to do ~something there's only like 7.5 hours left I'm pretty sure.
If someone would like to open the floor for an actual counter wagon I'll be here. Wagons in Chris and tom don't count, they're probably villagers and not getting lunched toDay at minimum.
I'll be in and out for the rest of the Day but can't promise I won't pass out before deadline since it's at 3 AM my time.
This is your reason. A reason.. you conjured up.
YOu even asked him about his grape read.
He never voted grape.
So.. how did he.. *sigh*.. god damnit Tom... How did he Prematurely blow his load the first time?
No he meant the latter. He even clarified that's what he meant. "when we were both scum"
@chris
Exactly what are u trying to accomplish poking there?
I even find it weird that people keep bringing up the viames/shin slot when it two games where he was scum, meta seemed to save him
If Tom is getting voted today, then ehs either not a wolf, or again the wolves are way to weak to push off him, Tom's train feels like the train you would see as a counter train to a scum wagon, the dude has made a variation of open wolf posts even in his townie at game, so that's not even a good case coming from Grape
So ya, not voting Tom today, not voting Rodemy
Same goes for Chris, not touching that slot either
Not saying they have to be town, I'm just saying the speculation of them being a wolf off day 1 posts is definitely not enough for me to vote off people that seem to be providing the most real thoughts
*End rant*
Hmmmmmmmmmm
I agree with you on shadow. What are your arguments against a grr lynch?
Grape/Grr/Shadow and maybe Rhand are all good votes
Grr lurking this much is more in line with his scum game anyways, Grapes hedging and world building is just obnoxious even for day 1 standards, have no idea where #834 comes from