Hey Tubba, you still have that roleblocker read? They're probably a wolf if you wouldn't mind explaining that now.
Wow, this is embarrassing. I thought it was Tom. Flavourfully luring people into his boudoir and preventing them from taking any actions or being the target of any actions.
Hey Tubba, you still have that roleblocker read? They're probably a wolf if you wouldn't mind explaining that now.
Wow, this is embarrassing. I thought it was Tom. Flavourfully luring people into his boudoir and preventing them from taking any actions or being the target of any actions.
Okay that's actually hilarious.
@Rodemy: Gun to your head is Wisp a wolf or a villager?
Hey Tubba, you still have that roleblocker read? They're probably a wolf if you wouldn't mind explaining that now.
Wow, this is embarrassing. I thought it was Tom. Flavourfully luring people into his boudoir and preventing them from taking any actions or being the target of any actions.
Okay that's actually hilarious.
@Rodemy: Gun to your head is Wisp a wolf or a villager?
Har dee har har
I never said it was a good thought, and I doubt I’m the only one who thought Tom was softing a PR.
Hey Tubba, you still have that roleblocker read? They're probably a wolf if you wouldn't mind explaining that now.
Wow, this is embarrassing. I thought it was Tom. Flavourfully luring people into his boudoir and preventing them from taking any actions or being the target of any actions.
Okay that's actually hilarious.
@Rodemy: Gun to your head is Wisp a wolf or a villager?
Wolf. Lynch it.
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Hey Tubba, you still have that roleblocker read? They're probably a wolf if you wouldn't mind explaining that now.
Wow, this is embarrassing. I thought it was Tom. Flavourfully luring people into his boudoir and preventing them from taking any actions or being the target of any actions.
Okay that's actually hilarious.
@Rodemy: Gun to your head is Wisp a wolf or a villager?
Wolf. Lynch it.
vote me then, if you believe that, u shouldn't be humoring my claim
I found them completely lacking in persuasion. Giving a read based on mechanical speculation (which is the strongest thing you pointed to) is the exact easiest type of read to fake on a buddy.
As for why Shadow looks bad take a look at 331. I think it's very likely that 1 of Will, Shadow, or Rhand is a buddy. I obviously have Rhand as most likely but it's also a weird defense of Shadow.
I don't see where you see Will/Shadow/Rhand being more likely to be buddies from 331. Just that first line? That doesn't feel nearly significant enough to warrant your highlight. What am I missing?
Yep. It's a classic rule of three but I'm putting extra significance on it because it happens to be a chainsaw. He's going out of his way to discredit a read. I think he only bothered because a buddy was involved somehow.
Rule of three is that scum are more likely to mention 1 buddy in any group of three. It's also a meme because it's so well known that people intentionally mess with it and it's actually largely useless but for a newish/uncomfortable scum like KA it might actually be valuable but the more important part is the chainsaw.
Rule of three is that scum are more likely to mention 1 buddy in any group of three. It's also a meme because it's so well known that people intentionally mess with it and it's actually largely useless but for a newish/uncomfortable scum like KA it might actually be valuable but the more important part is the chainsaw.
ok so can you remind again where it comes into play this game?
So... It's a *****ty vote if you were talking to Wisp as if he were town but sound convinced that he's a wolf?
What does a "good" vote even look like to you? Should I write a three page dissertation every time I move my vote? 'cause **** that tbh.
I wasn’t talking to him as if he were town for ****s sake. It was me trying to calm him down. I don’t give a **** if he is townnor scum, when your attitude starts getting hissy, I want you to calm down. Some people don’t know how to do that.
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Rule of three is that scum are more likely to mention 1 buddy in any group of three. It's also a meme because it's so well known that people intentionally mess with it and it's actually largely useless but for a newish/uncomfortable scum like KA it might actually be valuable but the more important part is the chainsaw.
ok so can you remind again where it comes into play this game?
Contrary to what Silver said my application is in his chainsawing.
@Will, actually Rhand explained his Shadow town read.
@Tom, you are nigh impossible to lynch. Shadow is also equally hard. I am guessing this town will probably have to wait a day or two, see you guys are still alive, and then put focus on you. It is an unfortunate truth.
Re: the grape meta thing, I really don't get your angle. Go reread my interactions with him in GoT D1 and then my comments beginning D2. My question towards GF wasn't trying to "catch" anyone or anything. It was asking a question I was curious about.
That's what I'm rule of threeing. No way he picks that random bit of information out if one of the three isn't a buddy.
Hmm. I think he did a similar thing in his iso too, though. Different time. I'll go pick it out when I get to my computer but yeah that's...
Of course Will is the least likely of the three to be a partner, right, he isn't going to answer a partner's question to a villager about a villager for no reason. rofl.
I guess there's an argument that he thought Will was going to get wolf read for that line of inquiry or something and tried to cut him off, but man.
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My brain is tangled into knots right now. I need to like, reset my reads or something.
FYI, if I was scum with Lng (or in general) I’d tell my buddies not to do rule of three cause it’s a thing. Pretty sure I’ve actually mentioned it in scum chat in some of my previous games.
FYI, if I was scum with Lng (or in general) I’d tell my buddies not to do rule of three cause it’s a thing. Pretty sure I’ve actually mentioned it in scum chat in some of my previous games.
Is no one going to like...look a Chris even?
I’ve been looking at Chris since his clash with Silver. I’m waiting for him to dazzle me.
What do you see as problematic from him?
He's on the list of "people who could be aligned with LnGrrr but who I have an independent town read on".
If you listed the reasons you want him lunched, I probably missed it in your iso. Only thing I remember was you saying something about how he tried to push counterwagons... which, fair, that's why I have him as a possible partner, but I don't think it really makes him a wolf.
Actually I should say I'm not actively looking at Chris, nothing excludes him as a possibility, I'm just more interested in Rhand and am trying to generate traction there.
I am pretty sure the people calling me town atm have to be town mostly because they understand exactly what I was doing.
For those who think I am acum... boy today is going to be fun for me.
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Skimming Rhand's ISO makes Chris look less likely (a ton of early soft push on Chris by Rhand and that weird interaction around Silver towards the EoD). Not a full unaligned read but approaching it.
@Silver, why do you think no one wants to lynch Riku? All I have seen is a lot of neutrality on him.
@Tubba, thoughts on Chris not really talking about/interacting with Tom even when that was pointed out to him?
This was the other one I wanted to look at but it isn't really like the Garcia that Grape found.
It's a follow up to him asking Chris why he didn't talk about tom and LnGrrr was apparently not satisfied with the answer... but rather than directly wolf reading Chris he goes to Tubba and is like "what do you think about that?"
It does ~kind of~ read like he's talking to bunch of villagers here though. Shading Chris for not talking about tom. I dunno if he thinks to distance this way from a partner.
30: Votes Rhand, interacts with me, Tom, Silver, and Grape. Only one that's even close to serious is with Grape.
32: Interacts with Shadow, humor involved. Shadow's response is spot-on. Possible this is theatre/soft-lobbing?
40: Says Grape's newer style isn't working for him.
41: Name drops Chris, but doesn't really comment on him.
44: Uses a lot of words to hedge on Grape, says he feels different from normal. Comment to Rhand feels more pockety than open-wolfy, imo.
51: Responds to Shin's question, asks if Shin's vote on Tom is real.
61: Responds to Tom's question on why Grape feels different, sorta works around the idea that Grape felt scummy before but doesn't now. Mild shade on Shin's ability (or effort).
69: Mild shades Shin, questions him again.
94: Responds to Tom's question on Grape, asks Tom if Tom can read Grape, tells Shadow his Grape question wasn't related just to this game.
140: Says Rhand is townier than Chris, likes Rhand's catch on Tubba's RB/JK comment, votes Tubba. Re-addresses Shin about his Tom vote. +town to Tubba.
146: Responds to Tubba, questions why Tom questioned him (LnG) but didn't question Tubba. Teams Tom/Chris/Shadow but says it's probably not that easy. More +town to Tubba. Mild tinfoil that LnG is well aware of the rule of 3 and Tom being the NK is partly to paint Chris/Shadow in worse light, but Tom was probably just killed because he's a good player.
147: Addresses me and Rhand, tries to paint Tubba scum if Tom flips scum...? -town to Tubba?
150: Hedges on Chris in response to pressure from Chris. Questions Tom, again intimates that Tubba's post should receive scrutiny (if LnG's post should).
152: Mild shade on Tubba.
153: Votes Tom "to bother him".
159: Responds to Tubba.
265: Responds to my question about Rhand, says if he was already reading Rhand as scum Rhand's leaping from Tubba to Shadow is something he'll have to think about. Pushes on Tom for defending Tubba, mentions that Chris might also do that.
273: Attacks Tom again for defending Tubba, shades Shadow, tries to tie Chris to Tom by asking why Chris didn't comment on Tom in his big post.
276: Tells Tom that Tom was defending Tubba by attacking Lng.
277: Pushes Chris to weigh in on Tom.
331: Looking at this in context, I can sorta see where Grape's coming from on his read of the whole "Will/Rhand/Shadow" thing, but I don't think it points to a scum!Shadow. I could see cases for "LnG coaching Will on making a bad read" or "LnG soft defending Rhand", but not "LnG saw Will being suspicious of Rhand for voting Shadow and felt the need to comment because Shadow's his buddy." He also says Tom and Shadow are impossible to lynch and need focus in later Days, and lowers the importance of his meta question to Grape.
356: Asks Silver why no one wants to lunch Riku. +town to Wisp. Sounds Tubba out on Chris not interacting with Tom.
887: Catch up post.
888: Never mind, self hammer.
891: Congratulates me.
898: Parting shot at Tom.
Takeaways:
• I don't feel like his interactions with Tubba are scum/scum. It sounds like he's sounding him out, but not in a "hey, want to go in this direction" kind of way. Tubba is town.
• I get an orbiting/satellite vibe from LnG on Chris; I think LnG was afraid of Chris, and I'm leaning toward "because Chris is town and a good player" more than "because Chris is his buddy and LnG is afraid of angering him/being bussed".
• Not a lot of interaction with Shin, but what is there felt like attacks. Lean town on Vaimes.
• Barely any interaction with Silver, but 356 makes me feel a little better on Silver because, similar to Tubba, it feels like LnG encouraging Silver to do the dirty work. Slight lean town on Silver.
• Barely any interaction with Riku/Wisp, either, but the one there is is +town to Wisp.
• Other than the joking around with Shadow at the start of the thread, not much from LnG to Shadow. Null to maybe slight scum lean.
• There's a LOT of interaction about Grape (which is expected, given that his question to Grape generated a lot of conversation), but not a lot with Grape. Possible that he offered up a "hot" read on buddy!Grape in his first post, then got tangled up in people focusing on that. I want to iso Grape.
• Lots of interactions with Rhand, RVS vote would be on a buddy, comment in 44 feels pockety, towns Rhand pretty heavily. I want to say that LnG asking a read of me and Rhand in 147 is indicative of Rhand being scum because I'm town, but it's possible that LnG just asked two town. I want to iso Rhand, too.
Sorry I'm moving so slow, but I'll plan on looking at Rhand, Grape, and Shadow next, maybe just a reread-skim with heavy attention paid to those three.
Silver, what interactions do you think make Chris possible buddies with LnG?
Really the only thing was the way he tried to push literally any wagon besides LnGrrr's and there are definitely ~reasons~ he would do that as a villager. Not any of the specific interactions; I just posted one I think looks good for Chris.
Ding ding ding.
I think i found what vaimes thinks is my slip..
Vaimes.. no.
I am making a point that if he was town, he probably would have been the kill. How are you misinterpreting that?
Vaimes you seem to have a very quick judgement to me being scum. Maybe you need to take a step back and reevaluate?
Which is like. Not an appropriate thing to say to someone whose claim you’re doubting. lmao
Rodemy replaced... Will? Man. Did you read Will? I think he was pretty newb town though.
Gonna have to go back and read the context there I guess.
Wow, this is embarrassing. I thought it was Tom. Flavourfully luring people into his boudoir and preventing them from taking any actions or being the target of any actions.
I'm not gonna even try and justify it. Take it however you want.
Okay that's actually hilarious.
@Rodemy: Gun to your head is Wisp a wolf or a villager?
Har dee har har
I never said it was a good thought, and I doubt I’m the only one who thought Tom was softing a PR.
Wolf. Lynch it.
Alright let’s see what my flip will do for scum
Vaimes will claim: HE SLIPPED.
Silver... probably hopping on catch of my slip...
Deduction: silver is scum.
Vaimes is just wrong town.
vote silvercrys
Yep. It's a classic rule of three but I'm putting extra significance on it because it happens to be a chainsaw. He's going out of his way to discredit a read. I think he only bothered because a buddy was involved somehow.
And I don’t think that’s allowed
Should be voting you for it, but I have to start assuming it's a Rodemy thing at this point
Or I might just tunnel you
What does a "good" vote even look like to you? Should I write a three page dissertation every time I move my vote? 'cause **** that tbh.
Regardless of your alignment
I wasn’t talking to him as if he were town for ****s sake. It was me trying to calm him down. I don’t give a **** if he is townnor scum, when your attitude starts getting hissy, I want you to calm down. Some people don’t know how to do that.
And hopefully a better understanding of why I don't know whether to bury him or equate his play to bad town
If that's true, @grape @silver, then my gut says Chris lol, but I wouldn't actually Lynch anyone based off that logic
That doesn't make him a wolf, the mindset slip does if anything.
Contrary to what Silver said my application is in his chainsawing.
That's what I'm rule of threeing. No way he picks that random bit of information out if one of the three isn't a buddy.
Of course Will is the least likely of the three to be a partner, right, he isn't going to answer a partner's question to a villager about a villager for no reason. rofl.
I guess there's an argument that he thought Will was going to get wolf read for that line of inquiry or something and tried to cut him off, but man.
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My brain is tangled into knots right now. I need to like, reset my reads or something.
Is no one going to like...look a Chris even?
I’ve been looking at Chris since his clash with Silver. I’m waiting for him to dazzle me.
What do you see as problematic from him?
He's on the list of "people who could be aligned with LnGrrr but who I have an independent town read on".
If you listed the reasons you want him lunched, I probably missed it in your iso. Only thing I remember was you saying something about how he tried to push counterwagons... which, fair, that's why I have him as a possible partner, but I don't think it really makes him a wolf.
I am pretty sure the people calling me town atm have to be town mostly because they understand exactly what I was doing.
For those who think I am acum... boy today is going to be fun for me.
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Also Rhand is just scummy.
It's a follow up to him asking Chris why he didn't talk about tom and LnGrrr was apparently not satisfied with the answer... but rather than directly wolf reading Chris he goes to Tubba and is like "what do you think about that?"
It does ~kind of~ read like he's talking to bunch of villagers here though. Shading Chris for not talking about tom. I dunno if he thinks to distance this way from a partner.
I'll try to get caught up today or tomorrow.
32: Interacts with Shadow, humor involved. Shadow's response is spot-on. Possible this is theatre/soft-lobbing?
40: Says Grape's newer style isn't working for him.
41: Name drops Chris, but doesn't really comment on him.
44: Uses a lot of words to hedge on Grape, says he feels different from normal. Comment to Rhand feels more pockety than open-wolfy, imo.
51: Responds to Shin's question, asks if Shin's vote on Tom is real.
61: Responds to Tom's question on why Grape feels different, sorta works around the idea that Grape felt scummy before but doesn't now. Mild shade on Shin's ability (or effort).
69: Mild shades Shin, questions him again.
94: Responds to Tom's question on Grape, asks Tom if Tom can read Grape, tells Shadow his Grape question wasn't related just to this game.
140: Says Rhand is townier than Chris, likes Rhand's catch on Tubba's RB/JK comment, votes Tubba. Re-addresses Shin about his Tom vote. +town to Tubba.
146: Responds to Tubba, questions why Tom questioned him (LnG) but didn't question Tubba. Teams Tom/Chris/Shadow but says it's probably not that easy. More +town to Tubba. Mild tinfoil that LnG is well aware of the rule of 3 and Tom being the NK is partly to paint Chris/Shadow in worse light, but Tom was probably just killed because he's a good player.
147: Addresses me and Rhand, tries to paint Tubba scum if Tom flips scum...? -town to Tubba?
150: Hedges on Chris in response to pressure from Chris. Questions Tom, again intimates that Tubba's post should receive scrutiny (if LnG's post should).
152: Mild shade on Tubba.
153: Votes Tom "to bother him".
159: Responds to Tubba.
265: Responds to my question about Rhand, says if he was already reading Rhand as scum Rhand's leaping from Tubba to Shadow is something he'll have to think about. Pushes on Tom for defending Tubba, mentions that Chris might also do that.
273: Attacks Tom again for defending Tubba, shades Shadow, tries to tie Chris to Tom by asking why Chris didn't comment on Tom in his big post.
276: Tells Tom that Tom was defending Tubba by attacking Lng.
277: Pushes Chris to weigh in on Tom.
331: Looking at this in context, I can sorta see where Grape's coming from on his read of the whole "Will/Rhand/Shadow" thing, but I don't think it points to a scum!Shadow. I could see cases for "LnG coaching Will on making a bad read" or "LnG soft defending Rhand", but not "LnG saw Will being suspicious of Rhand for voting Shadow and felt the need to comment because Shadow's his buddy." He also says Tom and Shadow are impossible to lynch and need focus in later Days, and lowers the importance of his meta question to Grape.
356: Asks Silver why no one wants to lunch Riku. +town to Wisp. Sounds Tubba out on Chris not interacting with Tom.
887: Catch up post.
888: Never mind, self hammer.
891: Congratulates me.
898: Parting shot at Tom.
• I don't feel like his interactions with Tubba are scum/scum. It sounds like he's sounding him out, but not in a "hey, want to go in this direction" kind of way. Tubba is town.
• I get an orbiting/satellite vibe from LnG on Chris; I think LnG was afraid of Chris, and I'm leaning toward "because Chris is town and a good player" more than "because Chris is his buddy and LnG is afraid of angering him/being bussed".
• Not a lot of interaction with Shin, but what is there felt like attacks. Lean town on Vaimes.
• Barely any interaction with Silver, but 356 makes me feel a little better on Silver because, similar to Tubba, it feels like LnG encouraging Silver to do the dirty work. Slight lean town on Silver.
• Barely any interaction with Riku/Wisp, either, but the one there is is +town to Wisp.
• Other than the joking around with Shadow at the start of the thread, not much from LnG to Shadow. Null to maybe slight scum lean.
• There's a LOT of interaction about Grape (which is expected, given that his question to Grape generated a lot of conversation), but not a lot with Grape. Possible that he offered up a "hot" read on buddy!Grape in his first post, then got tangled up in people focusing on that. I want to iso Grape.
• Lots of interactions with Rhand, RVS vote would be on a buddy, comment in 44 feels pockety, towns Rhand pretty heavily. I want to say that LnG asking a read of me and Rhand in 147 is indicative of Rhand being scum because I'm town, but it's possible that LnG just asked two town. I want to iso Rhand, too.
Sorry I'm moving so slow, but I'll plan on looking at Rhand, Grape, and Shadow next, maybe just a reread-skim with heavy attention paid to those three.
maybe if I was a wolf I'd be scared of you, but not as town
bring it
But hey don't listen to me.
I'm backing off.
Forever sheeping.