And I'm not shading Rodemy. If you think I am, please quote where I said he did something wolfy. He just doesn't get to tell anyone how to use night actions after Horsemen.
"also Kyle, why are you not voting either Chris or silver if you believe this"
And my answer is, that I still think lynching in the flankers is the most obvious choice, specifically vaimes in the case I am wrong, because he will provide nothing to this game, and shins posts align more with his wolf meta off re-read then what I originally believed
Go find me the soft then and ill think about taking back my wolf lean on you, probably not ttho
"Go digging through your own iso so I don't have to try actually reading you and I'll think about believing you"
It was the whole argument with Chris, really, but there's a special phrasing I used in one of the posts if you want to go digging. Or you can trust that I wouldn't lie about publicly verifiable information. Either way, I'm not isoing myself for you on my phone.
"also Kyle, why are you not voting either Chris or silver if you believe this"
And my answer is, that I still think lynching in the flankers is the most obvious choice, specifically vaimes in the case I am wrong, because he will provide nothing to this game, and shins posts align more with his wolf meta off re-read then what I originally believed
*resists urge to post Kyle memes*
I.. I mean yeah sure but like...
*gestures furiously*
Also I was with you there for a bit. I really was. Ugggh.
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You're bouncing around an awful lot. Not saying that's AI, exactly, but do you have any strong reads? Is there anyone villagery enough you wouldn't lunch them right now?
If it's wrong it's wrong, I can't say that I ain't a little paranoid that I'm jumping the gun, and I would hate myself if you were actually the town joat, which is why we should Lynch vaimes today imo, and let the PRs do there work, since mafia isn't roleblocking them if they are roleblocking me
"also Kyle, why are you not voting either Chris or silver if you believe this"
And my answer is, that I still think lynching in the flankers is the most obvious choice, specifically vaimes in the case I am wrong, because he will provide nothing to this game, and shins posts align more with his wolf meta off re-read then what I originally believed
*resists urge to post Kyle memes*
I.. I mean yeah sure but like...
*gestures furiously*
Also I was with you there for a bit. I really was. Ugggh.
I mean I drink monster and I've put a hole in dry wall
You're bouncing around an awful lot. Not saying that's AI, exactly, but do you have any strong reads? Is there anyone villagery enough you wouldn't lunch them right now?
Um.
Grape.
And because I can’t ever read him: Cantrip
Everyone else is being super quiet and weird.
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I don't think I want to vote silver but I also really want to. At least I'm pretty sure Wisp and Silver aren't scum buddies over this. I think this actually makes me think they're town together. Which goes against every fiber of my being but also seems right.
More Rhand votes please. Or further justifications for why the way LnG handled Rhand is clearing because I do not see it at all.
@Grapefruit
fine, for your sake, I will reread Rhand (as well as Lng and their interactions)
I still don't know how much I believe Chris/Silver, since looking back at their posts, if they are wolf/wolf, their theater is insane
ill humor it again later, they both can still individually be wolfy though
@Grapefruit
fine, for your sake, I will reread Rhand (as well as Lng and their interactions)
I still don't know how much I believe Chris/Silver, since looking back at their posts, if they are wolf/wolf, their theater is insane
ill humor it again later, they both can still individually be wolfy though
I don't think Ilver would be buddies with Chris even if he were scum. Claiming you watched a random townie is insane but no more insane than randomly claiming watcher like that.
@Grape
true, I just really really hate that post I pointed out, "but what about me shadow, I did that too"
it was just a very poor attempt at discrediting Shadow, especially when the way Silver and Chris played day 1 were quite different
Ok holy ***** getting flashbacks. Scum claimed watcher on me day 2 in a game and also didnt reveal info.
Fully claim. Scum is down. Now is when town pounces.
Gonna need more than just your say so, sorry. The other two abilities are provable but I'd rather not claim them yet since as of right now they have to pick between letting my role be confirmed or Wisp's, which is ~fine especially if they shoot me and roleblock him.
I mean the watch. Who targeted me.
Also wolfy pop in on my birthday when I am on vacation with my fiance. Right. Lol.
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@Grape
true, I just really really hate that post I pointed out, "but what about me shadow, I did that too"
it was just a very poor attempt at discrediting Shadow, especially when the way Silver and Chris played day 1 were quite different
If you think that's what I was saying you need to reread that post very carefully, because it was question for shadow not me whining about not getting wolf read or trying to defend Chris or discrediting shadow.
I found them completely lacking in persuasion. Giving a read based on mechanical speculation (which is the strongest thing you pointed to) is the exact easiest type of read to fake on a buddy.
As for why Shadow looks bad take a look at 331. I think it's very likely that 1 of Will, Shadow, or Rhand is a buddy. I obviously have Rhand as most likely but it's also a weird defense of Shadow.
I have Rhand as least likely!
Please adjust.
Why do you have rhand as least likely?
Did you not read when I talked about LnGR encouraging a potential tvt when Chris and Rhand were arguing?
I actually forgot what Silver said when I brought it up, rip, I’ll have to check later unless he repeats it for me.
Other than Rodemy do you have any other wolf reads?
Also, I skimmed Rodemy's posts on page 20 and nothing really jumped out at me other than him talking about a roleblocker a lot. Hopefully it's something better than that because if that's the slip I'm... underwhelmed.
In other news, I think Vaimes is a villager. Probably my PoE is wrong unless it's exactly shadow/Cantrip or something. While I'm thinking about that...
vote: shadowlancerx
I’d kill Rod/shadow/Cantrip, in that approximate order. Cantrip is kind of a “reassess if absolutely necessary” read though.
The slip is that Rod called LW town while pushing him hard for his claim. Unless I’m completely crazy for interpreting it that way.
@Chris: I don't want to claim the watch results because it doesn't out a wolf, so still gonna need more than your say so.
You thought he was towny enough that you watched him over a claimed PR that is now claiming to have been blocked, and now you don’t want to listen to Chris when he’s suspicious of the choices you’re making?
maybe it's your own self-bias Silver, but in my opinion, the way you and Chris handled Lng was completely different, so I don't understand why you had to ask him why he only focused on Chris
you also didn't answer his question, you just avoided it, and asked another question on top of it
honestly, both of you avoided voting an obvious wolf imo, but like Chris actively tried to move the trains around, you just kinda were like, "Vote Grape, but Lng is still ok"
@Chris: I don't want to claim the watch results because it doesn't out a wolf, so still gonna need more than your say so.
You thought he was towny enough that you watched him over a claimed PR that is now claiming to have been blocked, and now you don’t want to listen to Chris when he’s suspicious of the choices you’re making?
Has nothing to do with how townie he is and everything to do with who it May or may not out. If the entire village is okay outing whether or not he was targeted by a protective and who that protective might be, that's fine, and I guess you're one of them too soooooo.
Screw it. If this backfires I'm not taking responsibility for it since that's four of you who think knowing this helps you figure out my alignment somehow.
maybe it's your own self-bias Silver, but in my opinion, the way you and Chris handled Lng was completely different, so I don't understand why you had to ask him why he only focused on Chris
you also didn't answer his question, you just avoided it, and asked another question on top of it
honestly, both of you avoided voting an obvious wolf imo, but like Chris actively tried to move the trains around, you just kinda were like, "Vote Grape, but Lng is still ok"
and I'm just trying to wrap my head around it
Pretty sure we aren't even reading the same game at this point, dude. Maybe it's me, I don't know, but Chris wasn't really trying any harder than I was to move the wagons at EoD and I'm trying to get into shadow's head and see what he sees.
As far as shadow's question, the answer is in #944, tell me how I avoided it exactly? I am trying to read him but he's very opaque right now.
Yeah, I probably should have watched Wisp, but I didn't think he would actually be roleblocked and I tried to watch the kill instead. My bad.
Yes, I really think Wisp's role is weak and they should have used the roleblock to try to stop a protective or investigative instead.
I'm sure you'll try to make me justify why I thought claiming the actual info helps wolves. It's because they know the protective didn't target Chris which narrows down who it could be.
Can we just jump to the part where I have to full claim my role since literally nothing will stop you guys from confirmation biasing me?
I read shadow's iso, it's... okay. ish. I feel like I'm supposed to be in his pocket because he's kind of lightly townreading me and he defended me from Chris without going too hard and I'm just. not really buying it. He wasn't ~as snippy early game as I remembered, I was probably coloring some of his posts with Ruma's and they just seemed angrier than they actually were in that context.
His question to me about why I'm not trying to read him is like. Both a really easy question for him to ask as a wolf and one he would know I don't have a super good answer to. He's in the box so maybe he's just trying to like, get me to get there on him if he's town but if he's a wolf it's also like. Trying to get me to go back and look at the stuff he did for me? Ehhhhh.
But yeah, he's in the very short list of "plausible LnG bussers" because I have townreads on most of the wagon, and he feels very. floaty? He's very reasonable certainly and I have a huge blindspot for players that are reasonable and like. Yeah he kind of pushed LnG over me and over Grape and I think Grape's town, but then is the whole LnG wagon town other than him? I don't really think I believe that.
@Silver: as far as I can tell you have given no read on me whatsoever, and just left it at “I can’t read shadow” which hasn’t ever stopped you from trying before. Why not even try?
I did try, but really I just... don't really need to. You sounded a bit snappy at the beginning of the game which was weird, and you kind of just... exist for me I guess. You were V/LA for a long time (still are, even) and given how many times I've thought you were a villager when you were a wolf...
I don't think you've said anything you wouldn't have said as a wolf, is what it comes down to I guess. You aren't out of your wolf range and you aren't even particularly villagery which I know you're capable of being as both alignments.
Also, can you go into more detail why you’re reading Lng and Grape as anti aligned? I’m not particularly low on Grape, but I certainly don’t think their interaction at eod is unfakeable, especially not if there is day chat and coaching took place.
Not the EoD stuff, the stuff at the beginning of the game where he focused really weirdly on Grape's meta and just kind of talked about it and badgered him about it a bunch. It's super weird to talk about and ask your partner about their meta like that.
Is it possible? Sure, just don't think it's particularly likely.
Unless you're talking about a different question, you'll have to be more specific than "you didn't answer his question".
You're going to keep pushing me anyway though, unless you're also embellishing your confidence in this "catch", so I'm moving on to the next phase of the song and dance. I'm going to keep doing my thing unless you somehow get enough votes to put me in claim range. Good luck with that.
I feel pressured because you're a strong, intimidating player and... yeah, like, it isn't false exactly but it is exaggerated a bit. I'm not genuinely that confident of a player, but I ought to be. For reasons.
lol those aren't really PR softs, to each, their own I guess, as well as even if they were like super obvious softs, it would just be a general pr soft, and nothing involving your roles, which still doesn't say much
@grape
Doubt, u are so focused on Rhand, I've already pointed out that some interactions make Rhand/grr unlikely
Tell me why shadow looks bad?
I found them completely lacking in persuasion. Giving a read based on mechanical speculation (which is the strongest thing you pointed to) is the exact easiest type of read to fake on a buddy.
As for why Shadow looks bad take a look at 331. I think it's very likely that 1 of Will, Shadow, or Rhand is a buddy. I obviously have Rhand as most likely but it's also a weird defense of Shadow.
I don't see where you see Will/Shadow/Rhand being more likely to be buddies from 331. Just that first line? That doesn't feel nearly significant enough to warrant your highlight. What am I missing?
Shadow and Chris are though.
Which tbh i think clears them.
Maybe chris more than shadow tbh.
I think your take on Tubba is spot-on, but I feel like you're going very 0-level with the Shadow/Chris reads.
I think Silver's claim is >rand to come from town, although I don't quite get why we have multiple PR's outing themselves with so little pressure. Yes, writing on the wall/saving time is one thing, but there's also something to be gained from seeing WHO attacks you for what, how, etc, BEFORE you claim. :/
I don't really want to lunch either Silver or Wisp toDay. They both say they have provable claims; scum are going to have to do something about them or risk us gaining info.
I should have some time in a few hours to look over LnG's iso and give my take on it.
Spent all of D1 being pushed, mostly for NAI nonsense, and it started happening again. Think that answers Cantrip and tubba both, there has been plenty of opportunity for people to take stances on me and I'm over it now.
I'd like to talk about people who can actually be wolves instead of playing ring around the rosie with people who I think are villager confirmation biasing wolf reads on me because of my tone.
I mean it does look a little bit like protective hunting.
Sure, ship that if you really want. I have two other provable abilities though and now the wolves either have to shoot me and block wisp or vice versa or let one of us confirm ourself. Wins all around imo.
Ftr silver, that’s not really softing in a way that I would consider indicative (IE, I have “softed” nearly identically as Vanilla before).
As for why you and Chris different, because your game play overall was very different? Like, I had some niggling things on Chris anyway, and you’ve been high posting and generally not really given me much to side eye from you.
(And seriously....why did you claim, and then buckle to pressure about claiming results immediately? Like really dude?)
I actually think I want to see what happens here with Vote Chris
(I kind of want Vaimes catch on rod to be real, but I also kind of think Rod might be the type to do that as either alignment)
Other than Rodemy do you have any other wolf reads?
Also, I skimmed Rodemy's posts on page 20 and nothing really jumped out at me other than him talking about a roleblocker a lot. Hopefully it's something better than that because if that's the slip I'm... underwhelmed.
In other news, I think Vaimes is a villager. Probably my PoE is wrong unless it's exactly shadow/Cantrip or something. While I'm thinking about that...
vote: shadowlancerx
I’d kill Rod/shadow/Cantrip, in that approximate order. Cantrip is kind of a “reassess if absolutely necessary” read though.
The slip is that Rod called LW town while pushing him hard for his claim. Unless I’m completely crazy for interpreting it that way.
ya gotta quote it big guy.
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And I'm not shading Rodemy. If you think I am, please quote where I said he did something wolfy. He just doesn't get to tell anyone how to use night actions after Horsemen.
Also that pop in alone was wolfy from Chris
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And my answer is, that I still think lynching in the flankers is the most obvious choice, specifically vaimes in the case I am wrong, because he will provide nothing to this game, and shins posts align more with his wolf meta off re-read then what I originally believed
It was the whole argument with Chris, really, but there's a special phrasing I used in one of the posts if you want to go digging. Or you can trust that I wouldn't lie about publicly verifiable information. Either way, I'm not isoing myself for you on my phone.
Your theory is that Chris and I are partners?
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I.. I mean yeah sure but like...
*gestures furiously*
Also I was with you there for a bit. I really was. Ugggh.
You're bouncing around an awful lot. Not saying that's AI, exactly, but do you have any strong reads? Is there anyone villagery enough you wouldn't lunch them right now?
If it's wrong it's wrong, I can't say that I ain't a little paranoid that I'm jumping the gun, and I would hate myself if you were actually the town joat, which is why we should Lynch vaimes today imo, and let the PRs do there work, since mafia isn't roleblocking them if they are roleblocking me
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Um.
Grape.
And because I can’t ever read him: Cantrip
Everyone else is being super quiet and weird.
If I'm a villager who's your next wolf?
Silver do you really think a targeted IC is weak?
I just...
I don't think I want to vote silver but I also really want to. At least I'm pretty sure Wisp and Silver aren't scum buddies over this. I think this actually makes me think they're town together. Which goes against every fiber of my being but also seems right.
More Rhand votes please. Or further justifications for why the way LnG handled Rhand is clearing because I do not see it at all.
fine, for your sake, I will reread Rhand (as well as Lng and their interactions)
I still don't know how much I believe Chris/Silver, since looking back at their posts, if they are wolf/wolf, their theater is insane
ill humor it again later, they both can still individually be wolfy though
I don't think Ilver would be buddies with Chris even if he were scum. Claiming you watched a random townie is insane but no more insane than randomly claiming watcher like that.
true, I just really really hate that post I pointed out, "but what about me shadow, I did that too"
it was just a very poor attempt at discrediting Shadow, especially when the way Silver and Chris played day 1 were quite different
I mean the watch. Who targeted me.
Also wolfy pop in on my birthday when I am on vacation with my fiance. Right. Lol.
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I dont pay attention to stuff like that, doesnt make the pop in any less convienent either way lol
I actually forgot what Silver said when I brought it up, rip, I’ll have to check later unless he repeats it for me.
The slip is that Rod called LW town while pushing him hard for his claim. Unless I’m completely crazy for interpreting it that way.
Watching Chris seems pretty obviously suboptimal.
you also didn't answer his question, you just avoided it, and asked another question on top of it
honestly, both of you avoided voting an obvious wolf imo, but like Chris actively tried to move the trains around, you just kinda were like, "Vote Grape, but Lng is still ok"
and I'm just trying to wrap my head around it
I’ll think about scum!Silver worlds later. I was pretty sold on Rod calling LW town and would like others to weigh in on it.
Not LW though, since he doesn’t want to cooperate.
"says I'm the one not cooperating"
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Screw it. If this backfires I'm not taking responsibility for it since that's four of you who think knowing this helps you figure out my alignment somehow.
No one targeted him.
Pretty sure we aren't even reading the same game at this point, dude. Maybe it's me, I don't know, but Chris wasn't really trying any harder than I was to move the wagons at EoD and I'm trying to get into shadow's head and see what he sees.
As far as shadow's question, the answer is in #944, tell me how I avoided it exactly? I am trying to read him but he's very opaque right now.
Yes, I really think Wisp's role is weak and they should have used the roleblock to try to stop a protective or investigative instead.
I'm sure you'll try to make me justify why I thought claiming the actual info helps wolves. It's because they know the protective didn't target Chris which narrows down who it could be.
Can we just jump to the part where I have to full claim my role since literally nothing will stop you guys from confirmation biasing me?
Sigh. I'm gonna go iso shadow.
I'm probably not going to do anything more until others start joining in
His question to me about why I'm not trying to read him is like. Both a really easy question for him to ask as a wolf and one he would know I don't have a super good answer to. He's in the box so maybe he's just trying to like, get me to get there on him if he's town but if he's a wolf it's also like. Trying to get me to go back and look at the stuff he did for me? Ehhhhh.
But yeah, he's in the very short list of "plausible LnG bussers" because I have townreads on most of the wagon, and he feels very. floaty? He's very reasonable certainly and I have a huge blindspot for players that are reasonable and like. Yeah he kind of pushed LnG over me and over Grape and I think Grape's town, but then is the whole LnG wagon town other than him? I don't really think I believe that.
Also I'm at a computer so you can have the softs.
I never said that I softed what it was.
I think your take on Tubba is spot-on, but I feel like you're going very 0-level with the Shadow/Chris reads.
I think Silver's claim is >rand to come from town, although I don't quite get why we have multiple PR's outing themselves with so little pressure. Yes, writing on the wall/saving time is one thing, but there's also something to be gained from seeing WHO attacks you for what, how, etc, BEFORE you claim. :/
I don't really want to lunch either Silver or Wisp toDay. They both say they have provable claims; scum are going to have to do something about them or risk us gaining info.
I should have some time in a few hours to look over LnG's iso and give my take on it.
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as well as some obvious mechanical reasons, eating the roleblock if it exists
I'd like to talk about people who can actually be wolves instead of playing ring around the rosie with people who I think are villager confirmation biasing wolf reads on me because of my tone.
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StaffAs for why you and Chris different, because your game play overall was very different? Like, I had some niggling things on Chris anyway, and you’ve been high posting and generally not really given me much to side eye from you.
(And seriously....why did you claim, and then buckle to pressure about claiming results immediately? Like really dude?)
I actually think I want to see what happens here with
Vote Chris
(I kind of want Vaimes catch on rod to be real, but I also kind of think Rod might be the type to do that as either alignment)
If I had a shot with the same ability as Wisp's I would have CC'd him rofl.
ya gotta quote it big guy.