I guess I'll also say that tom's easiest to read when he's not actually tom, he just doesn't find it fun. So maybe we have different baselines for "tom transparency" there since I know he's perfectly capable of it, he just doesn't.
Ahhh that's right you were the crazy role that was town, thought you were turned into an SK and then went back to town. It's all coming back to me now.
Anyway if we're going by the Tom is always gimmicking standard (which is probably close to accurate) then I do think that the roleplay ones are easier to read than standard Tom but harder to read than forced into clarity Tom. Anyway this is not a particularly helpful discussion at this stage. Trying to split the differences between his different personas in a vacuum doesn't help solve him here.
Think lngrr's wooing of grape is a bit off. No waiting to see what grape showed up to *this* game, just overarching trend data basically. Which is a perfectly good way to woo IF you wait and see a bit but thats not the case here.
This cuts to the heart of it. If I didn't know he wasn't my buddy I'd say it looked like a safe way to reach out to a buddy for some early theater.
@Silver did you get that eve was an unfortunate autocorrect from RVS? That "fix" slide right past me... Anyway I'm not sure my laziness should be seen as AI.
Shin insisting he ignores RVS jokes while engaging on my Cantrip RVS is a thing. Probably not a relevant one though.
I for one am happy tom is roleplaying. It makes him easier to read.
These are the posts that bother me.
In the first one he seems to be open wolfing.
And in the second one he says he “is not sure” about something related to his own meta.
@Silver
No hot takes on alignments, I have a tinfoil on an rb/jk but I’m not keen on discussing that yet.
Shadow seems happy? Possibly due to playing instead of hosting, but the energy seemed up fwiw. Not sure how I feel about it other than happy as well?
I understand that rvs and D1 can have important interactions, but I don’t know how to read into them until after other things have happened.
I dig the questions and engagement though, it helps me get out of my own head/shell.
I have always had an uncanny ability to know Rhand's alignment, and I got a twinge of scum from the reasoning behind his Grapefuit vote - something a bit off about the tone - so I am going to have some fun with Rhand for a bit while Tom makes spider noises or something.
Tubba what would convince you that rb/jk is scum?
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I have always had an uncanny ability to know Rhand's alignment, and I got a twinge of scum from the reasoning behind his Grapefuit vote - something a bit off about the tone - so I am going to have some fun with Rhand for a bit while Tom makes spider noises or something.
Tubba what would convince you that rb/jk is scum?
Scummy behaviour.
I’m not great at mafia in general and early days in particular. I don’t seem to see what others do so I tend to plod along and pretend I’m Columbo.
Oh my god is Rhand actually scum? I was like just poking him to see where it went and he like full on went "CHRIS THINKS I AM SCUM, OH MY GOD" defense mode.
Oh god I am now HYPED for a conversation with Rhand.
Hm, and why Columbo?
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Oh my god is Rhand actually scum? I was like just poking him to see where it went and he like full on went "CHRIS THINKS I AM SCUM, OH MY GOD" defense mode.
Oh god I am now HYPED for a conversation with Rhand.
Hm, and why Columbo?
I would think that would be obvious if one had ever seen Columbo...
Sherlock Holmes was pretty smart, but
damm if squinty eyed, cigar smoking Columbo isn’t the coolest.
Without discussing who Tubba thinks is the RBer and why he thinks that, obviously.
You think town!Tubba is likely to provide it as a hot take instead of just saying no?
I was sort of wondering if it might have been the sort of appeasement that wolves like to do when a villager asks them "hey, can you X?" to get them off their back, though the tone sort of doesn't really match that admittedly...
Oh right, also Shinichi's entrance is pretty. Like it felt to me like Cantrip was making an off the cuff joke and Shinichi was like "I feel like you thought a lot about that reply" like it was super cereal or something.
And then Cantrip's reply was like "Oh yes, I did think about it a lot" which just made me ???
Also also I thought maybe Cantrip had recently heard of the "interesting" tell and was maybe excited to use it but if he's known about it for a while it's less interesting.
I don't think you (or anyone else) quite caught what I was referencing (which is fine; probably only someone who was on the receiving end back when would have caught it). I *used* to go whole-hog bulldog on any player who used phrases like "honestly" or "to be honest" or "truth be told", etc. It came off to me as posturing and manipulative (and I think I "caught" someone in an early game that way, so I put a bunch of heft behind it). But I've since seen it come from enough town players that it's thoroughly debunked. I tend to see "interesting" the same way. Sometimes it can be quite telling, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. That said, what's generally more telling is how people respond when called out on it, and I liked your response.
Shin is already more handsome and has done more solving than last game
/nods, but...Tom, sugar, you're making me blush. FWIW, I don't swing that way. As much as I appreciate you, you'd be better served to apply your charms in other directions.
@Cantrip
I’m not fully caught up yet so if this has been mentioned, I’ll get there.
In your #35, you say that you’re surprised Ruma likes your earlier post.
Why was that surprising?
Ruma has recently struck me as the kind of player who doesn't like much of anything. His response to Shadow, for example, is more akin to the kinds of comments I've come to expect from him. Which is unfortunate because I think I remember a game he was in where he just seemed fantastically fun, but I don't usually get a lot of energetic vibes from him. (Dear Riku: no offense intended.)
I am not denying the power and potential of RVS I am merely saying that I for the most part don't participate in RVS and block the jokes out most of the time.
I was going to ask if this meant that your vote on Tom was serious, but then LnG called you out on it, but you still haven't answered.
Shadow seems happy? Possibly due to playing instead of hosting, but the energy seemed up fwiw. Not sure how I feel about it other than happy as well?
I understand that rvs and D1 can have important interactions, but I don’t know how to read into them until after other things have happened.
I dig the questions and engagement though, it helps me get out of my own head/shell.
Shadow can be high energy, fun, joking, happy, etc as either alignment, FYI. I'm leaning town on him so far, though.
@Silver, regarding your question in 53, because a tinfoil isn't sufficient to maintain my vote compared to the generally town feelings I'm getting. As an aside, I wanted to mention that I love your new avatar; it seems to hit on multiple levels when you're playing this game.
That attack from Rhand on Grape feels forced. As does the one on Shadow.
@Rhand, where would you say your confidence level at playing as town is right now? Scale of 1-10. And same with your scum game. Also, what's your take on Tom so far?
Also why would you go after shadow and not counter vote me if you thought I was scum.
I sense weakness, Rhand. We both know I am world class at reading Rhand you're in TROUBLE now.
Also hi Tom.
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Browsed Low Fantasy briefly; don't think Tubba is readable by tone unfortunately. Not by me anyway, heh.
I kind of like Cantrip's responses.
@Cantrip
Still trying to get in Shin's head, wasn't reading his post as an attack or anything. If you want I can talk about what I was hoping to get out of it after he answers.
@Chris: I don’t think you’re that good at reading me. I have changed in the last year.
I, however, know how to read Shadow. He’s trying ate to get me off him now.
@Shadow: if you meant that thing about me being rude, that’s not how I meant that statement.
@Cantrip: I am very confident as both alignments. I love playing scum when I have time (see tom’s last micro), and prefer town when I don’t.
tom is someone I have trouble reading. No read as of yet.
Also also I dunno if it's just me but shadow feels kind of acerbic and I don't really associate that with either his wolf game or his town game. Pretty sure it's NAI but multiple people have said he feels friendly / high energy / etc. and it makes me kind of tilt of my head and go "what are you talking about"?
Oh also thanks for the compliment Cantrip; I hadn't actually considered the Mafia implications of the avatar lol.
(To be clear shadow isn't acerbic all the time just more than usual, I feel like. Certainly some of his posts have been friendly, etc. just something feels off. Meh.)
Oh and @Chris: why should I vote you when I think Shadow is scum? I’m not a double voter.
You thought I was scum before shadow though, but you didn't vote me then.
Have you changed? I guess we shall see or if I am town MVP Chris form again.
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I think I am taking Rhand vs Chris in that war. That is partially due to Chris's bombast and overall pomposity.
Also...
Vote Tubba
I liked Rhand's catch on the RB/JK post. That is such a weirdly specific comment to make, early on in a game, and not considering whether it was scum or town before outing feels off.
Still trying to get in Shin's head, wasn't reading his post as an attack or anything. If you want I can talk about what I was hoping to get out of it after he answers.
@Cantrip: I am very confident as both alignments. I love playing scum when I have time (see tom’s last micro), and prefer town when I don’t.
Hmm, the more I think about this, you actually feel a lot more aggressive than you did in GoT. Maybe that's just because you were in cruise mode, but.... Unvote
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tom is someone I have trouble reading. No read as of yet.
Ok. Next: what percentage certainty would you assign to your sense that Shadow is scum because he's being helpful?
(To be clear shadow isn't acerbic all the time just more than usual, I feel like. Certainly some of his posts have been friendly, etc. just something feels off. Meh.)
I feel you, at least in part. His "rude" responses feel like he *is* taking a little bit of umbrage at some of the comments, despite him saying otherwise.
I liked Rhand's catch on the RB/JK post. That is such a weirdly specific comment to make, early on in a game, and not considering whether it was scum or town before outing feels off.
What do you think it says about Rhand that he lilypadded over to Shadow so quickly after that catch?
I think I am taking Rhand vs Chris in that war. That is partially due to Chris's bombast and overall pomposity.
Also...
Vote Tubba
I liked Rhand's catch on the RB/JK post. That is such a weirdly specific comment to make, early on in a game, and not considering whether it was scum or town before outing feels off.
@Shin, so... was your Tom vote RVS or not?
You honestly think I should have a locked in alignment read on a tinfoil theory? On page 2? Yecch.
I think I am taking Rhand vs Chris in that war. That is partially due to Chris's bombast and overall pomposity.
Also...
Vote Tubba
I liked Rhand's catch on the RB/JK post. That is such a weirdly specific comment to make, early on in a game, and not considering whether it was scum or town before outing feels off.
@Shin, so... was your Tom vote RVS or not?
You honestly think I should have a locked in alignment read on a tinfoil theory? On page 2? Yecch.
Locked in a read? No. But why out that then?
@Tom, funny, you vote me for "blowing my load"... yet don't call out Tubba for the RB comment?
So, Tom, Shadow, Chris scum team? *shrug* Eh, probably not that easy.
Are you trying to say me bringing gusto is a scum tell for me, Lng? What basis in this universe do you have for that?
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@Tom, funny, you vote me for "blowing my load"... yet don't call out Tubba for the RB comment?
I dont think i get the joke there, big boy.
Why would i "call out tubba" while thinking your response was premature? I certainly dont want tubba to expand on that yet. Perhaps I'll find it noteworthy with more information, but not currently.
@Chris, eh, just trying to find a third at this point. I don't think gusto is a tell one way or another for you.
@Tom, I'm not following your "premature" bit. Like, what would be the point of not putting pressure when I see something? I don't understand your thought process. As for Tubba, I would think that KJ/RB comment was "premature" more than anything, but maybe you could explain why those two are different?
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Anyway if we're going by the Tom is always gimmicking standard (which is probably close to accurate) then I do think that the roleplay ones are easier to read than standard Tom but harder to read than forced into clarity Tom. Anyway this is not a particularly helpful discussion at this stage. Trying to split the differences between his different personas in a vacuum doesn't help solve him here.
is what I want to do after my morning skim.
These are the posts that bother me.
In the first one he seems to be open wolfing.
And in the second one he says he “is not sure” about something related to his own meta.
No hot takes on alignments, I have a tinfoil on an rb/jk but I’m not keen on discussing that yet.
Shadow seems happy? Possibly due to playing instead of hosting, but the energy seemed up fwiw. Not sure how I feel about it other than happy as well?
I understand that rvs and D1 can have important interactions, but I don’t know how to read into them until after other things have happened.
I dig the questions and engagement though, it helps me get out of my own head/shell.
Where did you use “I don’t think”?
Not yet
I have always had an uncanny ability to know Rhand's alignment, and I got a twinge of scum from the reasoning behind his Grapefuit vote - something a bit off about the tone - so I am going to have some fun with Rhand for a bit while Tom makes spider noises or something.
Tubba what would convince you that rb/jk is scum?
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Then why even mention that you think there is one?
For postgame bragging: Grape / tubba / Chris
Scummy behaviour.
I’m not great at mafia in general and early days in particular. I don’t seem to see what others do so I tend to plod along and pretend I’m Columbo.
Oh god I am now HYPED for a conversation with Rhand.
Hm, and why Columbo?
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I was asked for a hot take. I endeavour to provide.
I would think that would be obvious if one had ever seen Columbo...
Sherlock Holmes was pretty smart, but
damm if squinty eyed, cigar smoking Columbo isn’t the coolest.
*watches with interest to see Chris v Rhand*
Have you ever rolled wolf and if so could you link the game?
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So you've got me for around 36 hours if you want to dance before then.
Without discussing who Tubba thinks is the RBer and why he thinks that, obviously.
You think town!Tubba is likely to provide it as a hot take instead of just saying no?
I was sort of wondering if it might have been the sort of appeasement that wolves like to do when a villager asks them "hey, can you X?" to get them off their back, though the tone sort of doesn't really match that admittedly...
Mrgle.
Here is his scum game btw:
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vote Shadow
@Chris: that’s not what I did.
Shadow/Chris/Grape?
Talk to me about Chris, why is he scum?
I don't think you (or anyone else) quite caught what I was referencing (which is fine; probably only someone who was on the receiving end back when would have caught it). I *used* to go whole-hog bulldog on any player who used phrases like "honestly" or "to be honest" or "truth be told", etc. It came off to me as posturing and manipulative (and I think I "caught" someone in an early game that way, so I put a bunch of heft behind it). But I've since seen it come from enough town players that it's thoroughly debunked. I tend to see "interesting" the same way. Sometimes it can be quite telling, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. That said, what's generally more telling is how people respond when called out on it, and I liked your response.
/nods, but...Tom, sugar, you're making me blush. FWIW, I don't swing that way. As much as I appreciate you, you'd be better served to apply your charms in other directions.
Hmmmm.
I was going to ask if this meant that your vote on Tom was serious, but then LnG called you out on it, but you still haven't answered.
This sorta feels like you're responding to an attack from Shinichi, but I don't see him attacking you?
I think I like this.
/barn
Wut? I saw your reasoning after this post, and I'm still confused. Grape is feeling fairly townie to me.
Shadow can be high energy, fun, joking, happy, etc as either alignment, FYI. I'm leaning town on him so far, though.
@Silver, regarding your question in 53, because a tinfoil isn't sufficient to maintain my vote compared to the generally town feelings I'm getting. As an aside, I wanted to mention that I love your new avatar; it seems to hit on multiple levels when you're playing this game.
That attack from Rhand on Grape feels forced. As does the one on Shadow.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Vote: Rhand
Surely it serves him better to just laze around looking gorgeous
I sense weakness, Rhand. We both know I am world class at reading Rhand you're in TROUBLE now.
Also hi Tom.
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I kind of like Cantrip's responses.
@Cantrip
Still trying to get in Shin's head, wasn't reading his post as an attack or anything. If you want I can talk about what I was hoping to get out of it after he answers.
I, however, know how to read Shadow. He’s trying ate to get me off him now.
@Shadow: if you meant that thing about me being rude, that’s not how I meant that statement.
@Cantrip: I am very confident as both alignments. I love playing scum when I have time (see tom’s last micro), and prefer town when I don’t.
tom is someone I have trouble reading. No read as of yet.
Oh also thanks for the compliment Cantrip; I hadn't actually considered the Mafia implications of the avatar lol.
*carefully climbs out of Cantrip's pocket*
You thought I was scum before shadow though, but you didn't vote me then.
Have you changed? I guess we shall see or if I am town MVP Chris form again.
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But can you talk to me about Chris please?
Also...
Vote Tubba
I liked Rhand's catch on the RB/JK post. That is such a weirdly specific comment to make, early on in a game, and not considering whether it was scum or town before outing feels off.
@Shin, so... was your Tom vote RVS or not?
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Hmm, the more I think about this, you actually feel a lot more aggressive than you did in GoT. Maybe that's just because you were in cruise mode, but....
Unvote
Ok. Next: what percentage certainty would you assign to your sense that Shadow is scum because he's being helpful?
*nods* Good man. I actually paused before posting that because I was like "obv pocket attempt?", but this is good.
I feel you, at least in part. His "rude" responses feel like he *is* taking a little bit of umbrage at some of the comments, despite him saying otherwise.
What do you think it says about Rhand that he lilypadded over to Shadow so quickly after that catch?
You honestly think I should have a locked in alignment read on a tinfoil theory? On page 2? Yecch.
That tubba vote is the second instance of prematurely blowing his load when waiting seems far more profitable
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Locked in a read? No. But why out that then?
@Tom, funny, you vote me for "blowing my load"... yet don't call out Tubba for the RB comment?
So, Tom, Shadow, Chris scum team? *shrug* Eh, probably not that easy.
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Assume Tom is scum for a second. In that case, is Tubba more likely to be town or scum?
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Why would i "call out tubba" while thinking your response was premature? I certainly dont want tubba to expand on that yet. Perhaps I'll find it noteworthy with more information, but not currently.
Please state what you think it means.
@Tom, I'm not following your "premature" bit. Like, what would be the point of not putting pressure when I see something? I don't understand your thought process. As for Tubba, I would think that KJ/RB comment was "premature" more than anything, but maybe you could explain why those two are different?
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