KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Cantrip: Now that Chris has given something vaguely answer-shaped:
The point is always to look for contradictions and mindset tells. I don't know exactly what a mindset tell will be in any given case until I see it.
I poke with a lot of questions because they get people to talk about stuff. Sometimes I even ask redundant questions, on purpose, to see if people will give the same answer or contradict what they already said.
Most answers to prodding questions like that are null. That's okay, though. The strategy is to get enough of them that I will occasionally pick up something interesting - either from a lucky shot, or from a lot of little things to piece together.
I didn't get anything from this response that gave me an "ah-ha" moment. Chris mostly didn't engage. That goes in the profile that I continue to develop for this-game-Chris: refusing to engage with my prodding. Will that change in the future? Will he react differently to others? We will see.
Oooooookay, but if you're being honest here, I question your choice of inquiry. (I also acknowledge that I may have skewed Chris's response to you, so if that's the case, sorry.) There are good reaction tell questions to ask and then there are bad ones. Yours, for instance, I would say is a bad one. Why? Because if Chris is town and decides to answer, he gives up information that is better left unknown. And if he is scum and decides to answer, there's no benefit (beyond whatever you think you gain as reaction test results) because it's all wifom.
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Oh, also, regarding "lack of interest in another wagon": there is another wagon. It's X=Y. That's the correct kill today.
Yeah, I realized that shortly after I posted that.
Cantrip: Lets just say that... I was given reason to believe that that post would not come.
Hey, Killjoy, what's your read on me?
The ISO I was working on with Kami is probably moot now, but I was finding a lot of posts that I liked individually, but overall seemed very disconnected. There were a couple of times I saw him not following up on questions he asked that I would have expected him to. I can go into detail if desired, but I'm guessing the lynch eclipses anything I could contribute on that front.
I don't know if there is an explicit mechanical reason to disrupt it, but it could be argued you will be less likely to put in as high of an effort the rest of the game if you know you have already won. If I think you are town and want you to give it your all or if I were scum and you are scum with me, that could be incentive. Not saying I believe you personally would do that, but when someone is deciding whether to make that last ISO for a case they want to make or go to bed at midnight the day before a deadline...it could be factor if you already have a "win" secured. Depends on the person I suppose and how they view the alt wincons. Also the flavor - this is a specialty game with a cool as theme that has already played out somewhat the way I'm sure shadow was hoping for and if I can say **** you to an opposing faction while still progressing the game towards my wincons I'm for sure going to in the spirit of the flavor of the game.
Also, I don't want the lynch on the counter wagon to Kami to happen because I don't believe it's a good lynch and it makes my alt wincons harder.
And giving me the throne both helps my alt wincons and unlocks an ability for me.
Had a big rant for this, I’ll shorten it down.
I HATE this post. Not sure if it’s AI, but it rubs me the wrong way. FWIW, I’m here to win as much and as often as possible.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
FTR, I also dislike Hunger's perspective of "screwing other players alt wincons over is ok because that's the flavor of this game". That may be the flavor, but I'd rather more players achieved wincons than less. (As has been discussed multiple times, I love the idea of everyone "winning" via one avenue or another, at which point I would consider the "double-winners" the alignment(s) that achieved their traditional wincons.)
Cantrip: I have no idea how to read you in Mafia. That three person game we had should support that. I was SURE you were scum.
Ok, but I find it hard to believe you don't have an opinion of some sort this game. If X=Y said "KJ, tell me your current read on Cantrip or I'll Draconis you" what would you tell him?
Cantrip: I have no read one way or the other. You're one of the lower posters of the game and are a player who doesn't do things as town or scum that I would equate to town or scum. I'd tell him to shoot me if he was intending to force me to have an opinion on you instead of just forcing it.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Why if you dont lynch me do you lynch one of the people I am leaning town on. My POE history is really strong.
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Winds, what would you say if I told you that:
a) While I want to answer your question, I don't really feel like I adequately can, as I haven't been taking notes the way I wish I could every mafia game.
b) Not answering your question has no mechanical impact on me whatsoever.
c) You and Killjoy received the exact same message?
Winds, what would you say if I told you that:
a) While I want to answer your question, I don't really feel like I adequately can, as I haven't been taking notes the way I wish I could every mafia game.
b) Not answering your question has no mechanical impact on me whatsoever.
c) You and Killjoy received the exact same message?
Huh.
I don't really know how to parse this without digging into what your role is/might be, and outing more than is maybe wise?
Like not answering my question having no mechanical impact on you indicates that well. You lied, which should generally be alarming. But you admitting that is kind of odd regardless.
Winds, what would you say if I told you that:
a) While I want to answer your question, I don't really feel like I adequately can, as I haven't been taking notes the way I wish I could every mafia game.
b) Not answering your question has no mechanical impact on me whatsoever.
c) You and Killjoy received the exact same message?
Huh.
I don't really know how to parse this without digging into what your role is/might be, and outing more than is maybe wise?
Like not answering my question having no mechanical impact on you indicates that well. You lied, which should generally be alarming. But you admitting that is kind of odd regardless.
Oh, I definitely lied. But I'm pretty sure that if you think about it, you'll find that it wasn't a damaging lie, and I now have what I consider to be a somewhat reliable strong town read on you and a pretty heavy scum read on Killjoy, especially with his posts just before twilight.
As for outing elements of my role, I'd rather you saved it for D3, personally (possibly even later, depending, I mean, who knows how many scum I can wreck), but you do what you feel you need to do. You're essentially lock town for me unless someone comes in with a cop check or something. Not sure if KJ is lock scum, but I'm certainly not supporting him for the throne.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
well at least I'll get to find out what my ability was when I flip.
Good luck all. Tubba is probably town, vaimes has a good chance of being scum, there's probably 2-3 scum on my wagon, I think there's a 70% chance of there being an SK.
well at least I'll get to find out what my ability was when I flip.
Good luck all. Tubba is probably town, vaimes has a good chance of being scum, there's probably 2-3 scum on my wagon, I think there's a 70% chance of there being an SK.
Who is your highest confidence scum read (that isn't Vaimes?)
I'm a little bit concerned that you're lock towning me off that, and what that means for RE's alignment.
Well, not just that, because I had a pretty strong town read on you before. But the way you handled it, taking time to think about it, the kind of question you posed, making sure you asked before my stated deadline... Just seems very indicative to me. Maybe I'm naive, and maybe I'm throwing chuckle kindling on the spec-chat fire, but...I'm pretty sure you're town.
As for what it means for RE's alignment, the game is young enough that I'm still not going into detail yet.
Hunger, lngr, rhand and tom have all been questionable.
Eh.
Fair enough I guess, sorry for the lynch, just didn't really feel like you had a solving spark to you, and I had a lot of town reads to point you stood out like sore thumb on d1 Grape wagon.
Please do. Give these old bones reason feel alive.
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“When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die.”
-Cersei Lannister
In the interest of keeping this game moving, I will fill in flavor later.
KamikazeArchon has died! He was:
Player: KamikazeArchon
Character: Cersei Lannister
Faction: Lannister
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Queen Regent (Active) - While you control the Iron Throne, you learn and have this ability. You may support your own claim to the throne.
[Queen Regent unlocked: each night that you control the throne, you may have a player killed]
Factional Win Conditions: A Lannister always pays his debts - [redacted until end of game]
-or- Hear my Roar - [redacted until end of game]
The most powerful woman in Westeros, and certainly among the smartest. You pride yourself in knowing how to play the game better than anyone else. You ensured that your own husband died so that you could pass the power to the realm directly to your son, and thus to you. You've done terrible, but necessary things to keep your secrets, and you've enjoyed inflicting terrible punishment on those that have wronged you, or tried to destory your family.
No one will master you, and no one will control you, you would rather die than bow to another. But you also will fight long before you will die.
It is now Night 2, you have 36 hours to submit actions. You may now post in any chats of which you are a part.
Any man who must say, 'I am the king' is no true king.We're not really people to you, are we? Just a million different ways to get what you want.
Death claims yet two more souls.
RE1031 has died! She was:
Player: RE1031
Character: Gendry
Faction: Baratheon
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Blacksmith (Active) - Each night you may forge and give an item to another player. Your items include: one shot RoleCop, one shot Tracker, one shot Watcher. You cannot create more that two of any item throughout the course of the game, and each item will be usable alongside other abilities as long as it has the same target as the user's ability target.
Factional Win Conditions: Brother's United - [redacted until end game]
-or- Ours is the Fury - [redacted until end game]
”I’m not a Warrior, but I’m a fighter.”
Apprenticed as a blacksmith for as long as you remember, you never knew your father. But that was okay, you enjoyed your work, you were good at it. Good enough that several hands of the king took an interest in you. That was all before though.
Your life took several crazy turns, and you ended up finding out you were the illegitimate son of King Robert Baratheon, and you were honored to serve under Jon Snow. You’ve even gone beyond the wall and fought the dead. Yet you’ve never been far from smithing, regardless of where you were.
Tubba Fett has died! He was:
Player: Tubba Fett
Character: Tywin Lannister
Faction: Lannister
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Influence (single shot, active) - Once per game, you may activate this ability to ensure that the player you support for the Iron Throne wins control of it, regardless of the support any other player(s) receive. This ability can be activated during the day or twilight, please give the mod notice if you are considering using it.
Factional Win Conditions: A Lannister always pays his debts - [redacted until end game]
-or- Hear my Roar - [redacted until end game]
You are the most influential person in Kings Landing, and by extension, the entire Seven Kingdoms. No one is harder, no one is more capable, and no one cares about legacy more than you do. You are an old man, and the victor of several wars. Your skills at negotiation are shrewd; you will strike an alliance with old nemeses to end a war, and also obliterate an entire house for their betrayal of your father, their liege lord. You are the reason "The Rains of Castamere" is sung; it stands as a reminder of exactly how far you are willing to go.
It is now Day 3. With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. You have until June 8th at 1200 MST.
I think we should massclaim toDay.
And direct xequalsy’s shot.
Guessing the vig is either scum or Stark.
vote Vaimes
He was a big motor in the Kami lynch and then unvoted close to deadline.
If he did that purely for his factional wincon, he would’ve kept his votes on xequalsy to ensure that lynch rather than Kami’s.
Instead he let Kami’s happen without being on the wagon himself.
Vaimes / Chris / one of the vigs / (Lngr?) / ?
I’m going to spend a bit of time today pulling up a few iso’s.
That was a short one.
@Lngr: I don’t think GJ is scum with Chris. He was too literal about that chainsaw vote being there to protect Chris from getting lynched.
GJ’s posts feel solvey and natural. And I don’t think scum!GJ would have qualms about lynching me Day 1. If that was pocketing then kudos to him.
I think GJ is town.
Lngr’s iso is next.
Sorry in advance if I end up multiposting like crazy. It’s a timezone thing :/
I Iso’d Cantrip. He sounds pure, but that’s not outside his scum range.
Slight town lean, but not sure.
I have some stuff to do now.
T/S:
Hunger (mindmeld eod)
GJ (see above)
tom (openly plays for alt wincon but is looking for scum in his faction too and votes them)
Cantrip (see above)
Shin (no odea how to read this slot. Pulling up the iso makes me want to cry)
Xequalsy (too many town deaths for both vigs to be town. The claim of the nightvig hopefully resolves xequalsy)
KJ (no read. have to look at his iso)
thousand (idem)
Lngr (see above)
Chris (too much of a non-entity this game. Lack of solving and taking the lead)
Vaimes (see above)
@Rhand, cmon. You just played with me as scum. Do you really think that I changed that much?
I already said that I was putting Chris on the throne because I think he is an awesome player, and if he didn't nail scum, he was probably scum himself. Well, we are on d3, and he hasn't really made any pushes, and obviously not on confirmed scum. He has responded to some posts, but I don't see an independent mindset determined to hunt scum. Just a few random pop ins.
I am focusing on a few people because those people's alignments aren't known yet and they are my strongest gut scumreads. I will likely do some VC Analysis to see if that backs up my gut or not.
I am willing to sit back on GJ if eyes turn towards Chris, I guess.
I don't really read scum mentality from Vaimes. Like, if he is scum, he is playing decently. If he survives today though, I definitely don't want him on the throne, just in case. There is a chance that he can make an additional night kill on the throne.
Re: discussion, I feel like half the talk in this game is faction based, which doesn't really do anything for me. Between that, 1/3 of the game lurking, and lack of scum flips, this game has been aggravating.
Hey, if this is lylo, can we use x>'s shot or not?
At 12 people, I assume that means 5 scum because lynch town/kill town means 10 people. EXCEPT that doesn't take into account doctor, redirect, protection, etc. Does scum get two kills no matter what? That doesn't make sense.
It can't be 6 scum either or we would have lost.
So... yeah, that statement kind of weirds me out.
If we miss scum with x>Y shot, we are at 11 people. Let's say we lynch scum after (because holy crap, we have to eventually right?). Then it is 6 town, 4 scum... and hey, we might still lose with a double kill.
Here is the thing.
If X>Y is scum, it means one of two things. Either he has a daykill ON TOP OF an extra scum NK, or he has a daykill ON TOP OF an SK, or he is town and can kill day and night.
Like, I am throwing the third out. No way one player has that much killing. The first also doesn't make sense. No way scum has a daykill AND an extra NK. It would be way too easy for scum to kill one or two town justifiably.
So, the only option I see is that XY is either scum with an SK out there, or town.
What are the chances we have an SK? I mean, maybe this SK is just playing poorly and meant to hit mafia. But at this point, I think that town with a daykill and scum with an extra NK makes sense than an extra vig that has gone unclaimed or an SK.
@KJ, what was that whole "Do you know Tom's alignment?" thing at the end of the day? Is that a truth teller thing? If so, why aren't you just going with the "Are you town?" question?
Ugh. I guess.... KJ, looking at this? Hammered both times. I'm annoyed we don't have any confirmed townies on Kami. Besides myself, the unconfirmed on Grape were Shin, Vaimes, DV/Winds and KJ. Probably fine with looking at Shin too. He's gone quiet recently.
Oooooookay, but if you're being honest here, I question your choice of inquiry. (I also acknowledge that I may have skewed Chris's response to you, so if that's the case, sorry.) There are good reaction tell questions to ask and then there are bad ones. Yours, for instance, I would say is a bad one. Why? Because if Chris is town and decides to answer, he gives up information that is better left unknown. And if he is scum and decides to answer, there's no benefit (beyond whatever you think you gain as reaction test results) because it's all wifom.
Yeah, I realized that shortly after I posted that.
Hey, Killjoy, what's your read on me?
The ISO I was working on with Kami is probably moot now, but I was finding a lot of posts that I liked individually, but overall seemed very disconnected. There were a couple of times I saw him not following up on questions he asked that I would have expected him to. I can go into detail if desired, but I'm guessing the lynch eclipses anything I could contribute on that front.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Had a big rant for this, I’ll shorten it down.
I HATE this post. Not sure if it’s AI, but it rubs me the wrong way. FWIW, I’m here to win as much and as often as possible.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Cantrip: I have no read one way or the other. You're one of the lower posters of the game and are a player who doesn't do things as town or scum that I would equate to town or scum. I'd tell him to shoot me if he was intending to force me to have an opinion on you instead of just forcing it.
I will probably be reading the thread till 3 when I start.
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Winds, what would you say if I told you that:
a) While I want to answer your question, I don't really feel like I adequately can, as I haven't been taking notes the way I wish I could every mafia game.
b) Not answering your question has no mechanical impact on me whatsoever.
c) You and Killjoy received the exact same message?
Open howling intensifies.
Huh.
I don't really know how to parse this without digging into what your role is/might be, and outing more than is maybe wise?
Like not answering my question having no mechanical impact on you indicates that well. You lied, which should generally be alarming. But you admitting that is kind of odd regardless.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
As for outing elements of my role, I'd rather you saved it for D3, personally (possibly even later, depending, I mean, who knows how many scum I can wreck), but you do what you feel you need to do. You're essentially lock town for me unless someone comes in with a cop check or something. Not sure if KJ is lock scum, but I'm certainly not supporting him for the throne.
Do you know Tom's alignment?
Like seriously, are there that many day abilities flying around that you expect me to believe that you completely forget it?
Good luck all. Tubba is probably town, vaimes has a good chance of being scum, there's probably 2-3 scum on my wagon, I think there's a 70% chance of there being an SK.
Who is your highest confidence scum read (that isn't Vaimes?)
Hunger, lngr, rhand and tom have all been questionable.
As for what it means for RE's alignment, the game is young enough that I'm still not going into detail yet.
Eh.
Fair enough I guess, sorry for the lynch, just didn't really feel like you had a solving spark to you, and I had a lot of town reads to point you stood out like sore thumb on d1 Grape wagon.
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KamikazeArchon (8): Hunger, LnGrrrR, Thousand_Winds, Cantripmancer, XequalsY, Rhand, tomsloger, Killjoy
XequalsY (5): Sir Chris, Shinichi, RE1031, KamikazeArchon, Tubba Fett
Vaimes (1): Gentleman Johnny
Not Voting (1): Vaimes
That’s a Lynch!
“When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die.”
-Cersei Lannister
In the interest of keeping this game moving, I will fill in flavor later.
KamikazeArchon has died! He was:
Character: Cersei Lannister
Faction: Lannister
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Queen Regent (Active) - While you control the Iron Throne, you learn and have this ability. You may support your own claim to the throne.
[Queen Regent unlocked: each night that you control the throne, you may have a player killed]
Factional Win Conditions:
A Lannister always pays his debts - [redacted until end of game]
-or-
Hear my Roar - [redacted until end of game]
The most powerful woman in Westeros, and certainly among the smartest. You pride yourself in knowing how to play the game better than anyone else. You ensured that your own husband died so that you could pass the power to the realm directly to your son, and thus to you. You've done terrible, but necessary things to keep your secrets, and you've enjoyed inflicting terrible punishment on those that have wronged you, or tried to destory your family.
No one will master you, and no one will control you, you would rather die than bow to another. But you also will fight long before you will die.
It is now Night 2, you have 36 hours to submit actions. You may now post in any chats of which you are a part.
Any man who must say, 'I am the king' is no true king. We're not really people to you, are we? Just a million different ways to get what you want.
Death claims yet two more souls.
RE1031 has died! She was:
Character: Gendry
Faction: Baratheon
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Blacksmith (Active) - Each night you may forge and give an item to another player. Your items include: one shot RoleCop, one shot Tracker, one shot Watcher. You cannot create more that two of any item throughout the course of the game, and each item will be usable alongside other abilities as long as it has the same target as the user's ability target.
Factional Win Conditions:
Brother's United - [redacted until end game]
-or-
Ours is the Fury - [redacted until end game]
”I’m not a Warrior, but I’m a fighter.”
Apprenticed as a blacksmith for as long as you remember, you never knew your father. But that was okay, you enjoyed your work, you were good at it. Good enough that several hands of the king took an interest in you. That was all before though.
Your life took several crazy turns, and you ended up finding out you were the illegitimate son of King Robert Baratheon, and you were honored to serve under Jon Snow. You’ve even gone beyond the wall and fought the dead. Yet you’ve never been far from smithing, regardless of where you were.
Character: Tywin Lannister
Faction: Lannister
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Influence (single shot, active) - Once per game, you may activate this ability to ensure that the player you support for the Iron Throne wins control of it, regardless of the support any other player(s) receive. This ability can be activated during the day or twilight, please give the mod notice if you are considering using it.
Factional Win Conditions:
A Lannister always pays his debts - [redacted until end game]
-or-
Hear my Roar - [redacted until end game]
You are the most influential person in Kings Landing, and by extension, the entire Seven Kingdoms. No one is harder, no one is more capable, and no one cares about legacy more than you do. You are an old man, and the victor of several wars. Your skills at negotiation are shrewd; you will strike an alliance with old nemeses to end a war, and also obliterate an entire house for their betrayal of your father, their liege lord. You are the reason "The Rains of Castamere" is sung; it stands as a reminder of exactly how far you are willing to go.
It is now Day 3. With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. You have until June 8th at 1200 MST.
Town must Lynch correctly today.
And direct xequalsy’s shot.
Guessing the vig is either scum or Stark.
vote Vaimes
He was a big motor in the Kami lynch and then unvoted close to deadline.
If he did that purely for his factional wincon, he would’ve kept his votes on xequalsy to ensure that lynch rather than Kami’s.
Instead he let Kami’s happen without being on the wagon himself.
Vaimes / Chris / one of the vigs / (Lngr?) / ?
I’m going to spend a bit of time today pulling up a few iso’s.
Also fine with a mass claim. I will go in any order.
Ugh, the spew all throughout Day 1 is going to make this a pain to read.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
GJ’s Iso first it is.
@Lngr: I don’t think GJ is scum with Chris. He was too literal about that chainsaw vote being there to protect Chris from getting lynched.
GJ’s posts feel solvey and natural. And I don’t think scum!GJ would have qualms about lynching me Day 1. If that was pocketing then kudos to him.
I think GJ is town.
Lngr’s iso is next.
Sorry in advance if I end up multiposting like crazy. It’s a timezone thing :/
It bothers me that Lngr, having quite a lot of posts, limits his talking to / about very few people.
And his tone is different than what I’m used to.
Slight town lean, but not sure.
I have some stuff to do now.
T/S:
Hunger (mindmeld eod)
GJ (see above)
tom (openly plays for alt wincon but is looking for scum in his faction too and votes them)
Cantrip (see above)
Shin (no odea how to read this slot. Pulling up the iso makes me want to cry)
Xequalsy (too many town deaths for both vigs to be town. The claim of the nightvig hopefully resolves xequalsy)
KJ (no read. have to look at his iso)
thousand (idem)
Lngr (see above)
Chris (too much of a non-entity this game. Lack of solving and taking the lead)
Vaimes (see above)
Gonna read KJ’s and Thousand’s iso’s when I can.
I already said that I was putting Chris on the throne because I think he is an awesome player, and if he didn't nail scum, he was probably scum himself. Well, we are on d3, and he hasn't really made any pushes, and obviously not on confirmed scum. He has responded to some posts, but I don't see an independent mindset determined to hunt scum. Just a few random pop ins.
I am focusing on a few people because those people's alignments aren't known yet and they are my strongest gut scumreads. I will likely do some VC Analysis to see if that backs up my gut or not.
I am willing to sit back on GJ if eyes turn towards Chris, I guess.
I don't really read scum mentality from Vaimes. Like, if he is scum, he is playing decently. If he survives today though, I definitely don't want him on the throne, just in case. There is a chance that he can make an additional night kill on the throne.
Re: discussion, I feel like half the talk in this game is faction based, which doesn't really do anything for me. Between that, 1/3 of the game lurking, and lack of scum flips, this game has been aggravating.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
At 12 people, I assume that means 5 scum because lynch town/kill town means 10 people. EXCEPT that doesn't take into account doctor, redirect, protection, etc. Does scum get two kills no matter what? That doesn't make sense.
It can't be 6 scum either or we would have lost.
So... yeah, that statement kind of weirds me out.
If we miss scum with x>Y shot, we are at 11 people. Let's say we lynch scum after (because holy crap, we have to eventually right?). Then it is 6 town, 4 scum... and hey, we might still lose with a double kill.
Here is the thing.
If X>Y is scum, it means one of two things. Either he has a daykill ON TOP OF an extra scum NK, or he has a daykill ON TOP OF an SK, or he is town and can kill day and night.
Like, I am throwing the third out. No way one player has that much killing. The first also doesn't make sense. No way scum has a daykill AND an extra NK. It would be way too easy for scum to kill one or two town justifiably.
So, the only option I see is that XY is either scum with an SK out there, or town.
What are the chances we have an SK? I mean, maybe this SK is just playing poorly and meant to hit mafia. But at this point, I think that town with a daykill and scum with an extra NK makes sense than an extra vig that has gone unclaimed or an SK.
tldr: XY is town or we have a SK.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Grapefruit21 (9): LnGrrrR, 1053nm, Shinichi, Lastwhisper, Vaimes, D_V, KamikazeArchon, Highroller, RE, KillJoy
Rhand (2): Killjoy, tomsloger
Lastwhisper (2): Rodemy, Tubba Fett
Shinichi (2): Sir Chris, Cantripmancer
Highroller (2): Gentleman Johnny, Rhand
KamikazeArchon (1): Grapefruit21
Not Voting (1): Hunger
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DAY 2 LYNCH OF KAMI
KamikazeArchon (8): Hunger, LnGrrrR, Thousand_Winds, Cantripmancer, XequalsY, Rhand, tomsloger, Killjoy
XequalsY (5): Sir Chris, Shinichi, RE1031, KamikazeArchon, Tubba Fett
Vaimes (1): Gentleman Johnny
Not Voting (1): Vaimes
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Ugh. I guess.... KJ, looking at this? Hammered both times. I'm annoyed we don't have any confirmed townies on Kami. Besides myself, the unconfirmed on Grape were Shin, Vaimes, DV/Winds and KJ. Probably fine with looking at Shin too. He's gone quiet recently.
I will dig up some more unofficial counts.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
So what are you going on about.