Neither LnGR or x=y really make sense to me as scum, with their abilities. Either the game has three potential non-town kills, or scum can control the lynch for a Day (though maybe they're prevented from choosing people of the same alignment or something).
They don't make a ton of sense to me either role-wise, but why would wolves not shoot one of you three. It'd mean we'd lynch a wolf stark today, then we'd double-tap the remaining two non-north people the next night, and I'd leave the game and it'd probably be overrun or close to it.
Yeah, I don't get why scum weren't just like, "Hey shoot Vaimes or LnGrrrR or whatever". I guess GJ'S ability made that difficult though, because he could target and eat both.
In fact, that is still what could have happened. But if you are buying that logic, then GJ targeting KJ doesn't make... much sense. I guess KJ was on the Throne so GJ might have wanted to protect him.
Anyways, should probably reread but leaning towards Tom. He keeps on throwing me in there wothout really explaining why he thinks I am scum at all, other than "poe". If this is town!Tom, it's not the good town!Tom I am used to.
If Vaimes is scum, and decided to bus Chris when scum probably could've just win outright... well kudos. He could be the scum Lannister, but unless this game goes to last 3 and there's mechanically cleared town alongside me, probably never voting him.
X=Y having a shot when, as Winds noted, he seemingly can't target many scum, would feel weird.
KJ'S "Oh hey XY hasn't aimed at scum yet" feels alllllll kinds of slimy. Like, there's only been two scum flips. How do you know he hasn't aimed at scum yet?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Oh wait I thought rods first shot was at dead town.
It was shin. NVM been to reevaluate.
Hot take: winds is severely Mafia and maybe lied about his win com.
I don't think you believe that at all, especially after that back and forth with Rhand yesterday, where I came clean about my win condition because siding with wolves to end the game that day phase meant I had 0% chance to win.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I haven't really seen anything today so far that changes my mind on a tom/shin/kj team.
LnG/Vaimes feels clearly town because of LnG's ability and their choices. Unless they're hardcore bussing for some reason, it feels like it has to be the above team.
I guess Winds? But I remember Hunger calc'ing that out.
The alternative is Rhand was just lying yesterday about it being LYLO. In which case one of the above might be town. I'm just going back to yesterday again when Shin told the truth about GJ's role. Not sure scum!Shin would do that? Can somebody sanity check that.
I'm super busy the next three days, but I'll try and re-read some ISOs I guess.
The alternative is Rhand was just lying yesterday about it being LYLO. In which case one of the above might be town. I'm just going back to yesterday again when Shin told the truth about GJ's role. Not sure scum!Shin would do that? Can somebody sanity check that.
I'm super busy the next three days, but I'll try and re-read some ISOs I guess.
I am town, im just not dumb enough to lie because its serve no purpose other than getting me mislynched.
Also kinda worried that you still have a shot, ccan u just like shoot infiniently till you hit someone? Then like a cooldown period happens?
I don't know if KJ claimed yet, i rather not claim for him but his role honestly is a hit or miss for me. It could easily be scum but that would have required him to know his ability. Like the ability itself is mostly given to scum but its so powerful as a scum role. Which leads me to assuming tom has to be scum then i guess?
Right, but you could prove whether other not X=Y is a one shot or not. And for me, you could prove whether or not I could choose anyone, or just a townie or whatever.
The alternative is Rhand was just lying yesterday about it being LYLO. In which case one of the above might be town. I'm just going back to yesterday again when Shin told the truth about GJ's role. Not sure scum!Shin would do that? Can somebody sanity check that.
I'm super busy the next three days, but I'll try and re-read some ISOs I guess.
I think there's approximately 0% chance it's tom/shin/kj.
Tom's been trying to get people to lynch the other two all game, for one, and it'd also mean that with Chris' role existing the literal only wolf I can even target/shoot would be Rhand and that's just...not the case.
No, at least one of Vaimes/yourself/LnG pretty much has to be a wolf.
@Winds, yeah but... I'm pretty sure I remember Chris going after X=Y in a non-bussy way. I know I'm not scum. And Vaimes could've just picked a scummy townie on D3 I think.
If it's Vaimes or X=Y, today isn't the day to be looking at them. We know there's at least ONE scum in the Starks, so we should focus there. I know why YOU wouldn't particularly appreciate that but... it's probably gonna happen.
The Starks already got their wincon, yes? So then they can help the rest of us win as town.
@Winds, if you had to pick one scum in Starks, who would you say? And if you had to pick two, which two?
Anyways, should probably reread but leaning towards Tom. He keeps on throwing me in there wothout really explaining why he thinks I am scum at all, other than "poe". If this is town!Tom, it's not the good town!Tom I am used to.
Kj/shin are not w/w, add in likelihood of a wolf stark (not absolute but more likely than ever with winds wincon + nights watch being all town) and both of their roles (shins rolecop is a scummy role anyway, especially with RE amd hunger flips. Kj is the only unflipped throne unlock alomg with 5 townies) and its gotta be at least 90% one of them. Shin feeling substantially more likely rn
Needs to be at least one more, in the remaining players/killing roles. Here i dont really have a satisfactory ordering between x=y amd lngrr. But would say one by setup (with kami town and winds neutral). Amd poe is telling me that anyway (despite lngrr insistence that i shouldn't be putting him back in there but the clear i had there was just... not that important especially compared to vaimes on behavior/winds on role (+ rhand and chris unalignments, respectively)
I do think its absolute that chris bussed some amount at this point, but its a bit less likely to be shin AND x=y...
So if it is 2 left, its
Shin+lngrr
Shin+x=y
Kj+x=y
Kj+lngrr
In order of likelihood
With shin just being the most likely overall and lngrr being his most likely buddy
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Rhand always wanted to kill chris and vaimes, but always vaimes moreso with wincon as an excuse.
Feels very w/v even if i wasnt sure vaimes was town
Chris basically did nothing, with his only memorable pushes being shin early d1 and x=y for role dichotomy. I find it unlikely (but not impossible) that his two main pushes were buddies, and shin just looks a bit more like a bus because of the way he tried to tie him to last+the way he sorta forgot it when shin was no longer under pressure
But all thats from memory, which is important for the "what did they actually push" metric, but needs combined with isos to look for the more insidious.
Perhaps ill get through those today
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Meh. Dont really think theres a standard for that but i dont really know which way this game is which is all that matters.
But also, not knowing your role lngrr seems an objectively better target since if hes scum hes almost definitely lying about/omitting some of his roles restrictions
Anyways, should probably reread but leaning towards Tom. He keeps on throwing me in there wothout really explaining why he thinks I am scum at all, other than "poe". If this is town!Tom, it's not the good town!Tom I am used to.
frankly, back up that i havent been good
Because you haven't pushed scum and got them killed.
You ever going to at least try to make up an answer on why you think I'm scum now?
Rhand always wanted to kill chris and vaimes, but always vaimes moreso with wincon as an excuse.
Feels very w/v even if i wasnt sure vaimes was town
Chris basically did nothing, with his only memorable pushes being shin early d1 and x=y for role dichotomy. I find it unlikely (but not impossible) that his two main pushes were buddies, and shin just looks a bit more like a bus because of the way he tried to tie him to last+the way he sorta forgot it when shin was no longer under pressure
But all thats from memory, which is important for the "what did they actually push" metric, but needs combined with isos to look for the more insidious.
Perhaps ill get through those today
Look at Rhand's first post from Day 3 and see who he's voting.
Besides this "LnGrrrR is PoE!" BS, explain why I am scum behaviorally. Come up with a coherent reason why scum!me activates my ability Day 3, why scum!me chooses town!Vaimes, and why scum!me argues strongly for killing scum!Chris.
Anyways, should probably reread but leaning towards Tom. He keeps on throwing me in there wothout really explaining why he thinks I am scum at all, other than "poe". If this is town!Tom, it's not the good town!Tom I am used to.
frankly, back up that i havent been good
Because you haven't pushed scum and got them killed.
You ever going to at least try to make up an answer on why you think I'm scum now?
i mean i think youre the towniest in my 4 person POE, just think youre scum anyway via worldbuilding.
I guess "towniest out of you/kj/x=y/shin" is barely even a compliment
Also... i pushed both dead scum...
(and whichever stark is scum)
Suppose i get no towncred for figuring out winds was SK before shin gave us the rolecop result n2, but it was still good imo
Rhand always wanted to kill chris and vaimes, but always vaimes moreso with wincon as an excuse.
Feels very w/v even if i wasnt sure vaimes was town
Chris basically did nothing, with his only memorable pushes being shin early d1 and x=y for role dichotomy. I find it unlikely (but not impossible) that his two main pushes were buddies, and shin just looks a bit more like a bus because of the way he tried to tie him to last+the way he sorta forgot it when shin was no longer under pressure
But all thats from memory, which is important for the "what did they actually push" metric, but needs combined with isos to look for the more insidious.
Perhaps ill get through those today
Look at Rhand's first post from Day 3 and see who he's voting.
Besides this "LnGrrrR is PoE!" BS, explain why I am scum behaviorally. Come up with a coherent reason why scum!me activates my ability Day 3, why scum!me chooses town!Vaimes, and why scum!me argues strongly for killing scum!Chris.
scumyou activates it for mostly the same reasons townyou does- its the last chance to get something out of it. Dont find that very compelling either direction.
Choosing vaimes- if youre scum presumably you either cant choose a buddy or its actually can only choose the king or something like that.
Or perhaps you just hoped hed choose towngj ftw since thats who he had been calling for shots on earlier in the day
Why you lobbied for chris... i mean he was clearly the lynch. This seems fairly obvious what scum motivation is.
But none of this is reasons why youre scum. Which as ive been quite clear on is primarily through worldbuilding, is still pending isos of dead scum, and isnt by that big a margin
I'd 100% vote anyone else over him or Vaimes this game.
I'm reading through some things and kinda think it might be x=y + shinichi? which is.... a strange turn of events. Did Chris really push both of his buddies and do almost nothing else? I guess he didn't exactly push it, just dropped a post/vote and then went away, but.
I don't...super think it's LnG. Rhand had no reason to think I was lying about my win con, and he wanted me to lynch LnG with him after he outed for us both to win. It's possible it was a spew bluff or something, but I think that's just less likely than it being x=y + one of Shin/KJ.
Im assuming rhand yesterday was in full wifom mode. He was always going down one way or another after chris flip imo. Especially with you and me to push it
Im assuming rhand yesterday was in full wifom mode. He was always going down one way or another after chris flip imo. Especially with you and me to push it
Maybe? re-read that exchange though, it felt like he really was trying to get me to go LnG with him, idk.
Not gonna lie, I do feel moderately betrayed that they didn't shoot one of my kill targets after I so kindly agreed to holster. Grumble.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Im assuming rhand yesterday was in full wifom mode. He was always going down one way or another after chris flip imo. Especially with you and me to push it
Maybe? re-read that exchange though, it felt like he really was trying to get me to go LnG with him, idk.
Not gonna lie, I do feel moderately betrayed that they didn't shoot one of my kill targets after I so kindly agreed to holster. Grumble.
sounds like something to pay attention to when isoing!
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Which, to be clear, is that I win and leave the game if it is only me, starks, and night's watch members alive.
Which tbf means it wouldnt be good for u to lynch me kj or tom, shrug this is so bother some. Mostly cause i am 99% sure your just a full blown sk who is lieing to everyone to **** the entire game over.
Right, but you could prove whether other not X=Y is a one shot or not. And for me, you could prove whether or not I could choose anyone, or just a townie or whatever.
So, why do you think KJ asked you to target him?
Also, in your opinion, should KJ claim or not?
Like I said, KJ has a role that 75/25 times is scum and you have a role where ive only seen as scum once. Seeing as how your opponent picks the other fighter it seems like it could be scummy, since glad where the user can pick both targets is strong af.
I don't...super think it's LnG. Rhand had no reason to think I was lying about my win con, and he wanted me to lynch LnG with him after he outed for us both to win. It's possible it was a spew bluff or something, but I think that's just less likely than it being x=y + one of Shin/KJ.
He was running a gambit he had no choice, it was a risky play by him but it was like his only option. He also didn't want to risk outting any other teammates in the process.
Why did you originally lie about your wincon, and why should this one be believed?
I originally lied because I thought wolves would shoot me if they didn't think I could just win with them pretty early.
I didn't factor in that uh. All my shots would hit town, and that there's possibly almost no wolves I actually could have shot.
Had to come clean when Rhand was trying to get me to end the game yesterday as I'd have lost the game if I did.
As to why you should believe this, uh. Shrug? I think it makes a lot of sense objectively for my role to be what it is - two win conditions, The Pack Survives and Lone Wolf (Lone Wolf is redacted but almost certainly a pure SK win condition if all the Stark/NW die).
I just lied about there being able to be non-Stark/NW alive and me still win.
I do think it's super likely for there to be a wolf in you/LnG/X=Y though just because with Chris being bulletproof it'd mean I could only even target one of the wolves (Rhand) and that seems...really unlikely to me.
You're obviously town here, and LnG's role + Rhand's behavior towards him felt town-ish so I want to spend some time looking at X=Y today and the Chris interactions.
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@Tom, well, there's three scum left, and I am town reading Vaimes and XY for reasons I have mentioned earlier. It is unlikely that three Starks are scum. So at least one of you, KJ, and shin are scum.
But... I just don't think you believe what you're saying. I activated it, just because? My ability can only target the king, even though that would be the weakest ability ever? Let's say I could only target the king. Do you really think I use it in that case, knowing Vaimes and I were on SC since Day 2?
You just keep hitting this "PoE" angle without really looking at behavior. And we haven't even had a full claim yet. It feels like you have this script and you are just sticking to it. town!Tom asks questions, probes people, and I don't feel any of that here.
They don't make a ton of sense to me either role-wise, but why would wolves not shoot one of you three. It'd mean we'd lynch a wolf stark today, then we'd double-tap the remaining two non-north people the next night, and I'd leave the game and it'd probably be overrun or close to it.
In fact, that is still what could have happened. But if you are buying that logic, then GJ targeting KJ doesn't make... much sense. I guess KJ was on the Throne so GJ might have wanted to protect him.
Anyways, should probably reread but leaning towards Tom. He keeps on throwing me in there wothout really explaining why he thinks I am scum at all, other than "poe". If this is town!Tom, it's not the good town!Tom I am used to.
If Vaimes is scum, and decided to bus Chris when scum probably could've just win outright... well kudos. He could be the scum Lannister, but unless this game goes to last 3 and there's mechanically cleared town alongside me, probably never voting him.
X=Y having a shot when, as Winds noted, he seemingly can't target many scum, would feel weird.
KJ'S "Oh hey XY hasn't aimed at scum yet" feels alllllll kinds of slimy. Like, there's only been two scum flips. How do you know he hasn't aimed at scum yet?
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It was shin. NVM been to reevaluate.
Hot take: winds is severely Mafia and maybe lied about his win com.
I don't think you believe that at all, especially after that back and forth with Rhand yesterday, where I came clean about my win condition because siding with wolves to end the game that day phase meant I had 0% chance to win.
I've already admitted to lying initially... are you even reading the thread dude.
Mod: Update the OP please? It's bothering me
@Tom, for the Nth time, put some logic to these names.
@Vaimes, because IIRC, Tom wasn't scumreading GJ at all.
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LnG/Vaimes feels clearly town because of LnG's ability and their choices. Unless they're hardcore bussing for some reason, it feels like it has to be the above team.
I guess Winds? But I remember Hunger calc'ing that out.
I'm super busy the next three days, but I'll try and re-read some ISOs I guess.
I am town, im just not dumb enough to lie because its serve no purpose other than getting me mislynched.
Also kinda worried that you still have a shot, ccan u just like shoot infiniently till you hit someone? Then like a cooldown period happens?
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Ik ur role for the most part and I assume xy is some kind of day vig. Kj literally asked me to check him lol.
So, why do you think KJ asked you to target him?
Also, in your opinion, should KJ claim or not?
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I think there's approximately 0% chance it's tom/shin/kj.
Tom's been trying to get people to lynch the other two all game, for one, and it'd also mean that with Chris' role existing the literal only wolf I can even target/shoot would be Rhand and that's just...not the case.
No, at least one of Vaimes/yourself/LnG pretty much has to be a wolf.
If it's Vaimes or X=Y, today isn't the day to be looking at them. We know there's at least ONE scum in the Starks, so we should focus there. I know why YOU wouldn't particularly appreciate that but... it's probably gonna happen.
The Starks already got their wincon, yes? So then they can help the rest of us win as town.
@Winds, if you had to pick one scum in Starks, who would you say? And if you had to pick two, which two?
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Second, twice doesnt count as "for the nth time"
And i actually thought johnny was scum once i learned cantrips role, so not sure where you got that...
And i wanted you to check lngrr which is much better regardless
Vaimes is always town
Winds is always SK/neutral
Kj/shin are not w/w, add in likelihood of a wolf stark (not absolute but more likely than ever with winds wincon + nights watch being all town) and both of their roles (shins rolecop is a scummy role anyway, especially with RE amd hunger flips. Kj is the only unflipped throne unlock alomg with 5 townies) and its gotta be at least 90% one of them. Shin feeling substantially more likely rn
Needs to be at least one more, in the remaining players/killing roles. Here i dont really have a satisfactory ordering between x=y amd lngrr. But would say one by setup (with kami town and winds neutral). Amd poe is telling me that anyway (despite lngrr insistence that i shouldn't be putting him back in there but the clear i had there was just... not that important especially compared to vaimes on behavior/winds on role (+ rhand and chris unalignments, respectively)
I do think its absolute that chris bussed some amount at this point, but its a bit less likely to be shin AND x=y...
So if it is 2 left, its
Shin+lngrr
Shin+x=y
Kj+x=y
Kj+lngrr
In order of likelihood
With shin just being the most likely overall and lngrr being his most likely buddy
Since I got blocked Shin should not tell my ability in the thread, but I'll certainly be asking him in the chat tonight
Feels very w/v even if i wasnt sure vaimes was town
Chris basically did nothing, with his only memorable pushes being shin early d1 and x=y for role dichotomy. I find it unlikely (but not impossible) that his two main pushes were buddies, and shin just looks a bit more like a bus because of the way he tried to tie him to last+the way he sorta forgot it when shin was no longer under pressure
But all thats from memory, which is important for the "what did they actually push" metric, but needs combined with isos to look for the more insidious.
Perhaps ill get through those today
But also, not knowing your role lngrr seems an objectively better target since if hes scum hes almost definitely lying about/omitting some of his roles restrictions
And also i think theyre scum together
Because you haven't pushed scum and got them killed.
You ever going to at least try to make up an answer on why you think I'm scum now?
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Look at Rhand's first post from Day 3 and see who he's voting.
Besides this "LnGrrrR is PoE!" BS, explain why I am scum behaviorally. Come up with a coherent reason why scum!me activates my ability Day 3, why scum!me chooses town!Vaimes, and why scum!me argues strongly for killing scum!Chris.
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I guess "towniest out of you/kj/x=y/shin" is barely even a compliment
Also... i pushed both dead scum...
(and whichever stark is scum)
Suppose i get no towncred for figuring out winds was SK before shin gave us the rolecop result n2, but it was still good imo
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Choosing vaimes- if youre scum presumably you either cant choose a buddy or its actually can only choose the king or something like that.
Or perhaps you just hoped hed choose towngj ftw since thats who he had been calling for shots on earlier in the day
Why you lobbied for chris... i mean he was clearly the lynch. This seems fairly obvious what scum motivation is.
But none of this is reasons why youre scum. Which as ive been quite clear on is primarily through worldbuilding, is still pending isos of dead scum, and isnt by that big a margin
Youve been harping on that and its not like i think youre scum any less rn
Cant back down yet
I'd 100% vote anyone else over him or Vaimes this game.
I'm reading through some things and kinda think it might be x=y + shinichi? which is.... a strange turn of events. Did Chris really push both of his buddies and do almost nothing else? I guess he didn't exactly push it, just dropped a post/vote and then went away, but.
Eh. That doesn't quite feel right either.
I guess having a way to deal with GJ was just a bluff, and Rhand's role was the way to deal with him.
Maybe? re-read that exchange though, it felt like he really was trying to get me to go LnG with him, idk.
Not gonna lie, I do feel moderately betrayed that they didn't shoot one of my kill targets after I so kindly agreed to holster. Grumble.
Stark is solidly one down, one pending
I think targaryens failed, lannisters got one, idk about baratheons
I can still get mine!
Which, to be clear, is that I win and leave the game if it is only me, starks, and night's watch members alive.
Why did you originally lie about your wincon, and why should this one be believed?
Which tbf means it wouldnt be good for u to lynch me kj or tom, shrug this is so bother some. Mostly cause i am 99% sure your just a full blown sk who is lieing to everyone to **** the entire game over.
Like I said, KJ has a role that 75/25 times is scum and you have a role where ive only seen as scum once. Seeing as how your opponent picks the other fighter it seems like it could be scummy, since glad where the user can pick both targets is strong af.
He was running a gambit he had no choice, it was a risky play by him but it was like his only option. He also didn't want to risk outting any other teammates in the process.
I originally lied because I thought wolves would shoot me if they didn't think I could just win with them pretty early.
I didn't factor in that uh. All my shots would hit town, and that there's possibly almost no wolves I actually could have shot.
Had to come clean when Rhand was trying to get me to end the game yesterday as I'd have lost the game if I did.
As to why you should believe this, uh. Shrug? I think it makes a lot of sense objectively for my role to be what it is - two win conditions, The Pack Survives and Lone Wolf (Lone Wolf is redacted but almost certainly a pure SK win condition if all the Stark/NW die).
I just lied about there being able to be non-Stark/NW alive and me still win.
I do think it's super likely for there to be a wolf in you/LnG/X=Y though just because with Chris being bulletproof it'd mean I could only even target one of the wolves (Rhand) and that seems...really unlikely to me.
You're obviously town here, and LnG's role + Rhand's behavior towards him felt town-ish so I want to spend some time looking at X=Y today and the Chris interactions.
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But... I just don't think you believe what you're saying. I activated it, just because? My ability can only target the king, even though that would be the weakest ability ever? Let's say I could only target the king. Do you really think I use it in that case, knowing Vaimes and I were on SC since Day 2?
You just keep hitting this "PoE" angle without really looking at behavior. And we haven't even had a full claim yet. It feels like you have this script and you are just sticking to it. town!Tom asks questions, probes people, and I don't feel any of that here.
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Like, you know GJ could have targeted the NK, right?
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