I really wish LnG hadn't used his ability today. It clamped down on discussion and analysis pretty hard it feels like.
I'm also like. Concerned that people aren't trying to push the "LyNcH tHe CoNfIrMeD nOn-ToWn" angle, I'd have expected at least 1-2 of his buddies to try and test out the traction for that.
Maybe it's just an element of town needs my kills to climb back into the game, and wolves are hoping I'll wolf side/miss/they can block me if they think I might hit?
Maybe Chris was even like 'just bus me I don't even care anymore' in wolf chat.
Who knows, I guess.
And why am I putting this much effort into a game as a neutral when odds of me winning are pretty low the way I'd like to win at least. (with town, pack surviving etc).
You've been thinking it since beginning of the game based on the size of our faction.
That's ridiculous to assume from the beginning of the game without some sort of inside info.
You've literally decided that one member of your faction is scum before having really any information.
You can retroactively say you weren't pushing it hard. You brought it up in the thread numerous times. You brought it up in our chat as well. You have been pushing it.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
From my perspective: i came up with cool sounding theories based on a bit of game balance, did a little statistics to back it up, and probably let it sit in my head and color my perspective a bit too long but have, at this point, shaken it on all but a "would be dope if i was right" level
But currently i think youre scum for the way youve consistently tried to "get something" from the faction chat compared to a pretty laissez faire attitude about steering the thread, where youve consistently gotten bogged down in ***** that doesn't matter and avoided talking about what does
Unrelated but I'm kind of impressed by Hunger this game. I feel like I caught him super easy when he randed wolf the last time I played with him, and I read through his ISO twice last night before switching my kill from him to Tubba, and came away pretty impressed. Just figure he deserves some props for high quality posting even if the wolf team seems to have gotten kind of brutally PoE'd out despite being in good shape going into today.
(Watch Cantrip end up being a deep wolf or something and this is why the PoE doesn't quite fully make 100% sense)
You caught me easy because I'm bad as scum. My posting recently with the state the game was in is so far from my scum game it's pretty ridiculous. But that's self meta and doesn't really help.
The important thing is you and others have thought my posts are pretty towny, so I should at least be a little further down the PoE than KJ and Rhand who are I think consensus? Tom asked you to not shoot Rhand so he can go for 5 wincons. I'd ask you to shoot Rhand because he has the highest possibility of being scum instead of shooting me to give tom a shot at 5 wincons. I'd like to be around tomorrow to help figure this game out.
Granted, if Chris flips town somehow, you have no incentive to do that since you could just win with scum by killing me. But if that happens and you still want to win with town, Rhand is a good shot.
@Cantrip - Your joke was great and I'm sorry I wasn't around to partake! I hadn't read the PM yet so I was like, "ooooOOoOOOO, no way!" That said, you do still have an unclaimed part of your role that shin is keeping under wraps no? Is it still not shareable?
@tom - I take your silence as you aren't going to share the thing?
I really wish LnG hadn't used his ability today. It clamped down on discussion and analysis pretty hard it feels like.
I'm also like. Concerned that people aren't trying to push the "LyNcH tHe CoNfIrMeD nOn-ToWn" angle, I'd have expected at least 1-2 of his buddies to try and test out the traction for that.
Maybe it's just an element of town needs my kills to climb back into the game, and wolves are hoping I'll wolf side/miss/they can block me if they think I might hit?
Maybe Chris was even like 'just bus me I don't even care anymore' in wolf chat.
Who knows, I guess.
And why am I putting this much effort into a game as a neutral when odds of me winning are pretty low the way I'd like to win at least. (with town, pack surviving etc).
Fun fact. I brought that up in my mylo theory post trying to see if anyone would jump on it, but no one did.
Also, I don't think 4 man scum team is possible. Given that the stated win condition for town/mafia is when they outnumber or it's inevitable to outnumber. So if it's a tie + SK at 4v4v1 it wouldn't be over since SK could vote with town.
Also also, Rhand being in the PoE of everyone is one thing, but he also was the counterwagon to Grape D1 and seemed to have momentum with the Starks alt wincon and then that somehow just faded. Need look at how that went down again.
@KJ, I think I was supposed to use the ability on a wolf that was pushing me, in order to prevent the kill for at least a Day and create more analysis (my wagon plus who my opponent would choose).
But I wasn't really getting pushed, and figured having my towniest read pick the 2nd person a good Plan b.
@winds, you have a really weird definition of "townsiding" when you have only killed town. I don't think scum are too upset with you.
@Winds (again) and Tom, tell me why scum!me would approach toDay the way I did (assuming Chris is scum). I guess being the first person to force a scum lynch through makes me POE? (insert shrugging smiley)
I didn't even catch that Thunder dome reference, but man, you turned out to be far more right than you could have imagined
@Tom, sorry for joining in on the prank, but no easy was I passing that up lol
Sir Chris (3): Thousand_Winds, LnGrrrR, Shinichi
Thousand_Winds (0):
Not Voting (9): Killjoy, Hunger, Cantripmancer, Gentleman Johnny, XequalsY, tomsloger, Rhand, Vaimes, Sir Chris
V/LA
Rhand until June 8th
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is June 8th at 1200 MST.
A reminder about Iron Throne support: All support must be done via PM (either MTGS or discord), and can be changed as many times as you wish up until twilight is announced.
I'm not sure waiting around longer is going to get us much more information. Since it doesn't look like SirChris is popping back into the thread, might as well go ahead and vote.
If Chris flips wolf, Vaimes, Tom, Cantrip, X=y, GJ are all clear.
If you're also town means wolves are all in [Rhand, killjoy, LnG, Shinichi].
I don't see how LNG can be mafia, honestly like ever thats my take. I don't believe that their actually is scum in my faction the more i talk with both tom and KJ at night I don't feel any animosity or hidden agenda.
GJ also seemed so detached from game and didn't even realize Chris claimed BP I think. Just doesn't feel like how w/w handles creating a false dichotomy
could just be less focused mafia, its better for mafia to flow naturally than to try to force fake itneractions.
Again, why can't xy be scum with Chris? Being one-shot it's a fairly tame role that is public and the fact that he just can't shoot one of his buddies is like, not really gamebreaking?
still quite alot of killing that seems pretty strong on mafia even if the day kill is a 1 shot. Which honestly I don't believe that day kill is 1 shot.
Oh. Oh, this is too sweet. So, that extra ability of mine that Shinichi very kindly kept under wraps? It's a roleblock against the first kill made against me, and it reveals who performs the kill. (Flavorwise, it's Gilly's son alerting me to impending danger.) Guess who just tried to daykill me?
Tom.
Oh, Tom, you've been caught with your hand in the cookie jar. Nice try, but you chose poorly. You see, I have a dragonglass dagger.
Vote Tom
I know this probably won't work because of LnG's ability, but we have to try, and then no brakes on taking Tom out any way possible after that (Winds, I'm looking at you.)
Uhm maybe i am wrong about believe tom isn't scum then? Thought Ik nothing about your flavor besides the actual name, so not sure what influences it has, also why even claim when i waas trying not to out your claim?
Oh shin can rolecop me tonight and prove it false if hes town.
If johnny is too he can protect him?
Maybe throne him too to guarantee it goes off?
Idk im still really thrown
I prob will role cop you just to make sure im not losing my mind and that you actually are town. Mostly to reassure my last theory that no one in my faction is scum.
Also I just realized something. Someone suggested that everyone should be able to achieve their win cons independent of their Mafia wincons.
That person is probably scum. I recall something in the new player articles that specifies a person suggesting that town and scum should work together, and that being a scum mindset.
There waas aplayer who suggested everyone could win somehow, but i don't remember who which is silly cause I don't want scum to win.
In the offchance chris is town, its one or both of x=y/gj. Dont think thats a real world based on chris play today, which is just a microcosm of the reason i was scum on him in the first place, but there we go
When chris flips scum x=y/gj/shin move up various amounts leaving a pool of kj/lngrr/rhand/hunger
Vaimes/cantrip town, winds neutral
If soemhow chris doesn't flip scum which i am pretty sure he will flip it, XY and Rhand are scum though i be more sure on rhand than anything. I may rolecop XY to make sure hes not actually lieing about his ability.
Chris, KJ, Hunger, Rhand is probably the wolf team if it's a team of four? If there's 5 it's probably one of LnG or Shinichi - there's things about both that makes me think they're town, but. Everyone else has more things, so. Is what it is.
chris+rhand seems fairly definite?
Kj i just think is a wolf.
Beyond that, mostly shrugs, moderate unalignments, and setupgaming
Why are my stark brotheren fighting >3>, we're suppose to be a happy family.
Tom, what was the exact timeline of Shinichi's reveal/what did he tell you guys exactly, regarding me?
Also has GJ been...more active in NW chat than he has been in the thread?
Are faction chats only at night? That kinda blows if so tbh.
I cant exactly remember, but I mostly dicussed why I read XY as scum over you. However i did find it weird you werent claiming you had a shot after knowing a day vig existed, but thats mostly because you were tpr/sk which i kinda understand now.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@everyone
Shin has a good point in saying he doesn't believe xy is 1 shot. Not in that he is probably right, but why aren't we picking a vig target to have him try? KJ/Rhand? Make him post the bolded Dracarys in thread to prove it's one shot. If it's not we probably get a scum kill and wiggle room if Chris somehow flips town.
EBWOP: Also if xy was lying because he didn't want to shoot it's mostly likely he is scum that didn't want to be forced to shoot a buddy. Which in turn makes it less likely Chris is scum.
@shin - tom is probably a bad rolecop because he is so likely town, but I guess if he is deep scum then he is one of the most likely to be a RB if they do have one since I think he is the only unclaimed person in the game? Pulling his ISO after this post to see if I can find any claim. GJ is a great target since his Dr. claim is what is essentially keeping him out of PoE. xy is a bad target because we know he has a killing ability and if you just get that ability at most you would learn he has more shots which we can probably check toDay like I said above.
OK, yeah, per this post I'm guessing tom hasn't claimed anything other than his flavor/faction. I don't really have time to go through 25 pages of an ISO to find out though.
@shin - You don't think there is a scum Stark. You don't think LnG can be scum. You don't think xy is scum. So your scum team is Chris/Rhand/GJ/Hunger/? Vaimes is the only one left, but pretty sure you have said he isn't scum either? You have to be wrong about something because you don't even have enough PoE names to fill out the scum team in that case.
I concur with the idea that XY should attempt the dayvig on Chris. Um...unless there's a chance that if XY vigs Chris we then have to lynch Winds. I guess that wouldn't be the end of the world, though.
Hunger, I feel that my unclaimed ability really is better unclaimed. If Shinichi disagrees/everyone feels like it's necessary, I don't mind claiming it, but I'd rather not, especially since we're locked in to Chris or Winds.
I concur with the idea that XY should attempt the dayvig on Chris. Um...unless there's a chance that if XY vigs Chris we then have to lynch Winds. I guess that wouldn't be the end of the world, though.
Hunger, I feel that my unclaimed ability really is better unclaimed. If Shinichi disagrees/everyone feels like it's necessary, I don't mind claiming it, but I'd rather not, especially since we're locked in to Chris or Winds.
For the first part, yeah that's why I said Rhand/KJ. But you are correct, we could just end up lynching Winds which wouldn't be terrible. Especially considering I'm guessing the "could be mylo" situation accounts for him hitting town toNight and wins him the game if he does.
I'm happy to try shooting someone if you'd all like. But there's not really any point in shooting Chris as that person unless you think he's lying about being bulletproof.
Oh right. I mean it's more about proving you aren't lying, but. Killjoy seems... fine? I'd say or Rhand, but I probably won't deny my northmen their wincon.
I'm fine with X=Y targeting Winds if he is going to keep calling me scum while completely avoiding him answering why I would approach toDay like I did.
Also, given the complete disappearing act from Sir Chris (who said he'd have time starting... last Thursday), I've changed my mind and will absolve myself from any guilt if he's town. If he is scum, I of course will claim any and all credit for his lynch.
I'm fine with X=Y targeting Winds if he is going to keep calling me scum while completely avoiding him answering why I would approach toDay like I did.
It's a) more likely you're a wolf in town!chris worlds, and b) if he is a wolf you're only a possible wolf purely on power of PoE. I don't really care why you did what you did, there's just other people who are even more likely to be town.
I think we're probably just looking at Chris/Rhand/Hunger/KJ, with an outside chance of Shinichi instead in there somewhere. If Chris is town a fair bit changes in terms of possibilities, but town also probably loses, so. I'm not really obsessing over those worlds too much.
Think thats what he had to do regardless of alignment basically. Like, he uses it that day pretty much regardless
Role itself is lightly townie, at least cancelled out with kami flip + x=y apparently being town in the vague classification of "killing roles" but winds role messes with that a little anyway and im going with role is =rand
Choosing winds to ensure chris lynch is... honestly seems more likely from a chris buddy than a townie but i could see it either way
The first choice (of vaimes) is harder to evaluate. Not even sure where to start
Winds, not sure why you keep throwing out 4-man scumteams when it almost certainly has to be five scum.
I don't think there has to be 5?
Think game makes more sense if there's 4.
But it doesn't really change much beyond makes it more likely one of Shinichi/LnG is a wolf too.
If it's 4 then today isn't possibly mylo? 12 > townchris = 11 > 2 town deaths toNight = 9 > 9 = 4v4v1 and OP states mafia/town wincons are when all threats are eliminated or it's inevitable. 4v4v1 wouldn't be inevitible and so even with worst case scenario the game couldn't possible be over during Night actions which shadow has said is possible. Unless there is somehow ANOTHER killing ability that hits town toNight. But no.
And then when it's 5 you need to start thinking a little bit outside your world view because now you have to include shin AND LnG who is almost guaranteed to be town, then when you shoot me toNight and I flip town, now you have another slot to fill and have to start considering GJ/xy/towncore.
Not gonna lie it was fun to see tom freak out a bit.
In any case, I just need the throne for one more cycle. Given that Chris has gone completely AWOL, that means it's highly likely there will be another chance for anyone else to take the throne, pending villageriness. Maybe give it to GJ if Shin gets a trueclaimed result.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I literally can't shoot you. My shot fizzles out and nothing happens if I target a Stark or Night's Watch member.
My shot options tonight are, mechanically, limited to:
Vaimes, Rhand, Hunger, LnGrrrR, XequalsY.
Those are literally only people I can successfully kill, regardless of my read on their alignment.
I'm not shooting Vaimes, he's obviously town. X=Y is pretty much always town if Chris flips wolf here.
So my shot is in the others somewhere.
Rhand being a Stark win condition is noted, as I've said previously. There are universes where I have to shoot him tonight maybe, but I do like the idea of winning and Starks also getting their win, as long as it can be done together etc.
Since I think Hunger and LnG have both been a lot more villagery than Rhand has been, unfortunately.
I'm also like. Concerned that people aren't trying to push the "LyNcH tHe CoNfIrMeD nOn-ToWn" angle, I'd have expected at least 1-2 of his buddies to try and test out the traction for that.
Maybe it's just an element of town needs my kills to climb back into the game, and wolves are hoping I'll wolf side/miss/they can block me if they think I might hit?
Maybe Chris was even like 'just bus me I don't even care anymore' in wolf chat.
Who knows, I guess.
And why am I putting this much effort into a game as a neutral when odds of me winning are pretty low the way I'd like to win at least. (with town, pack surviving etc).
You've been thinking it since beginning of the game based on the size of our faction.
That's ridiculous to assume from the beginning of the game without some sort of inside info.
You've literally decided that one member of your faction is scum before having really any information.
You can retroactively say you weren't pushing it hard. You brought it up in the thread numerous times. You brought it up in our chat as well. You have been pushing it.
But currently i think youre scum for the way youve consistently tried to "get something" from the faction chat compared to a pretty laissez faire attitude about steering the thread, where youve consistently gotten bogged down in ***** that doesn't matter and avoided talking about what does
The important thing is you and others have thought my posts are pretty towny, so I should at least be a little further down the PoE than KJ and Rhand who are I think consensus? Tom asked you to not shoot Rhand so he can go for 5 wincons. I'd ask you to shoot Rhand because he has the highest possibility of being scum instead of shooting me to give tom a shot at 5 wincons. I'd like to be around tomorrow to help figure this game out.
Granted, if Chris flips town somehow, you have no incentive to do that since you could just win with scum by killing me. But if that happens and you still want to win with town, Rhand is a good shot.
@Cantrip - Your joke was great and I'm sorry I wasn't around to partake! I hadn't read the PM yet so I was like, "ooooOOoOOOO, no way!" That said, you do still have an unclaimed part of your role that shin is keeping under wraps no? Is it still not shareable?
@tom - I take your silence as you aren't going to share the thing?
But I wasn't really getting pushed, and figured having my towniest read pick the 2nd person a good Plan b.
@winds, you have a really weird definition of "townsiding" when you have only killed town. I don't think scum are too upset with you.
@Winds (again) and Tom, tell me why scum!me would approach toDay the way I did (assuming Chris is scum). I guess being the first person to force a scum lynch through makes me POE? (insert shrugging smiley)
I didn't even catch that Thunder dome reference, but man, you turned out to be far more right than you could have imagined
@Tom, sorry for joining in on the prank, but no easy was I passing that up lol
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
-Ygritte
Sir Chris (3): Thousand_Winds, LnGrrrR, Shinichi
Thousand_Winds (0):
Not Voting (9): Killjoy, Hunger, Cantripmancer, Gentleman Johnny, XequalsY, tomsloger, Rhand, Vaimes, Sir Chris
V/LA
Rhand until June 8th
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is June 8th at 1200 MST.
A reminder about Iron Throne support: All support must be done via PM (either MTGS or discord), and can be changed as many times as you wish up until twilight is announced.
I'm not sure waiting around longer is going to get us much more information. Since it doesn't look like SirChris is popping back into the thread, might as well go ahead and vote.
I don't think this is the case, i feel like its pretty useless to say that its mylo in a situation where it obviously doesn't look like mylo.
I don't see how LNG can be mafia, honestly like ever thats my take. I don't believe that their actually is scum in my faction the more i talk with both tom and KJ at night I don't feel any animosity or hidden agenda.
could just be less focused mafia, its better for mafia to flow naturally than to try to force fake itneractions.
still quite alot of killing that seems pretty strong on mafia even if the day kill is a 1 shot. Which honestly I don't believe that day kill is 1 shot.
Uhm maybe i am wrong about believe tom isn't scum then? Thought Ik nothing about your flavor besides the actual name, so not sure what influences it has, also why even claim when i waas trying not to out your claim?
Is he? Its not up to me to confirm his ability, I already said I wouldn't out it.
I know that silly, im just hoping rhand is actually scum though or else i feel like complete *****.
I prob will role cop you just to make sure im not losing my mind and that you actually are town. Mostly to reassure my last theory that no one in my faction is scum.
Doesn't help i was busy last night and had no chance to see any of this ripp
There waas aplayer who suggested everyone could win somehow, but i don't remember who which is silly cause I don't want scum to win.
If soemhow chris doesn't flip scum which i am pretty sure he will flip it, XY and Rhand are scum though i be more sure on rhand than anything. I may rolecop XY to make sure hes not actually lieing about his ability.
Why are my stark brotheren fighting >3>, we're suppose to be a happy family.
I cant exactly remember, but I mostly dicussed why I read XY as scum over you. However i did find it weird you werent claiming you had a shot after knowing a day vig existed, but thats mostly because you were tpr/sk which i kinda understand now.
@everyone
Shin has a good point in saying he doesn't believe xy is 1 shot. Not in that he is probably right, but why aren't we picking a vig target to have him try? KJ/Rhand? Make him post the bolded Dracarys in thread to prove it's one shot. If it's not we probably get a scum kill and wiggle room if Chris somehow flips town.
Hunger, I feel that my unclaimed ability really is better unclaimed. If Shinichi disagrees/everyone feels like it's necessary, I don't mind claiming it, but I'd rather not, especially since we're locked in to Chris or Winds.
Tom, Vaimes, Cantrip are all very, very clear.
GJ and X=Y are probably not w/w with Chris, but do have wolf equity if he flips V.
Rest: Rhand, Killjoy, Hunger, Shinichi, LnG.
If Chris is w it's 3-4 in those 5 names. Use night actions accordingly. Narrow it down.
If Chris is v, well. Town is uh. Not in a good spot.
Second part is good. No need to claim then.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Was that not obvious?
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It's a) more likely you're a wolf in town!chris worlds, and b) if he is a wolf you're only a possible wolf purely on power of PoE. I don't really care why you did what you did, there's just other people who are even more likely to be town.
I think we're probably just looking at Chris/Rhand/Hunger/KJ, with an outside chance of Shinichi instead in there somewhere. If Chris is town a fair bit changes in terms of possibilities, but town also probably loses, so. I'm not really obsessing over those worlds too much.
I don't think there has to be 5?
Think game makes more sense if there's 4.
But it doesn't really change much beyond makes it more likely one of Shinichi/LnG is a wolf too.
Think thats what he had to do regardless of alignment basically. Like, he uses it that day pretty much regardless
Role itself is lightly townie, at least cancelled out with kami flip + x=y apparently being town in the vague classification of "killing roles" but winds role messes with that a little anyway and im going with role is =rand
Choosing winds to ensure chris lynch is... honestly seems more likely from a chris buddy than a townie but i could see it either way
The first choice (of vaimes) is harder to evaluate. Not even sure where to start
Idk lngrr is very much the edges for me
And then when it's 5 you need to start thinking a little bit outside your world view because now you have to include shin AND LnG who is almost guaranteed to be town, then when you shoot me toNight and I flip town, now you have another slot to fill and have to start considering GJ/xy/towncore.
We are technically lynching a northerner but his loyalty lies with house targaryen
x=y/gj/shin
winds
hunger/lngrr
kj/rhand
chris
In any case, I just need the throne for one more cycle. Given that Chris has gone completely AWOL, that means it's highly likely there will be another chance for anyone else to take the throne, pending villageriness. Maybe give it to GJ if Shin gets a trueclaimed result.
Unvote, vote Sir Chris
Unvote, vote Sir Chris
My shot options tonight are, mechanically, limited to:
Vaimes, Rhand, Hunger, LnGrrrR, XequalsY.
Those are literally only people I can successfully kill, regardless of my read on their alignment.
I'm not shooting Vaimes, he's obviously town. X=Y is pretty much always town if Chris flips wolf here.
So my shot is in the others somewhere.
Rhand being a Stark win condition is noted, as I've said previously. There are universes where I have to shoot him tonight maybe, but I do like the idea of winning and Starks also getting their win, as long as it can be done together etc.
Since I think Hunger and LnG have both been a lot more villagery than Rhand has been, unfortunately.
And I just now saw you said xy, so lol.