I wonder if there's a scum with a daykill since it appears to be factional. There's been more repeating of saying Rod isn't scum because scum had a daykill. Maybe that's wrong now.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I wonder if there's a scum with a daykill since it appears to be factional. There's been more repeating of saying Rod isn't scum because scum had a daykill. Maybe that's wrong now.
I was thinking the same until I realised xequalsy is tge Rodemy slot
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Vaimes (2): Sir Chris, Gentleman Johnny
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Killjoy (1): tomsloger
Rhand (1): Tubba Fett
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So what you’re saying is that scum wouldn’t do what scum would do because it might out them as scum?
And therefor obvious scum moves are town moves?
I think that’s a shallow way of looking at this. What would be the town motivation for a shot like that?
Shooting a question mark scumread to get things moving.
If scum were going to kill anyone without asking to be directed, they probably wouldn’t have shot 1053 of all people unless they had a Rolecop check or something.
Rhand’s moreso than Shin because he was a lot closer to actually dying, but it pinged me. I feel like if Rhand was townie he should’ve been mislynched. Maybe letting the day drag on longer is a better strategy in that situation, but I’m not thinking that far out of the box.
Ill be honest. Day 1, I don't think I could in good faith lynch Rhand day 1, even if he is a wolf. I would feel too heartbroken if he flipped town, and was lynched day 1 two times in a row. Especially since he didn't deserve it in Family (reactions aside).
Also, why? If Rhand is town and there was already one wolf on it or more. Unless you think his wagon was pure, and then it fell apart?
I feel you on the bolded, but I don’t know about the rest. It just pinged me that he would get run up so far and then be dropped. I don’t know if his wagon was pure, probably not.
If your goal is to make me less suspicious of Rhand, it’s not really working.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Like, I want to vote Rhand because I think he's scum. but it always feels icky to pressure someone who we know has time constraints.
I'm continuing my reread tomorrow.
Not True, its only icky if your using those tiime constraints as a reason to vote him. If your voting him based on the content hes already posted there is 0 wrong with that.
Short of rhand and/or shinichi being scum, i dont think scum had much reason to care how d1 turned out. And neither of them ever seemed in real danger anyway
Uhm? I was heavily voted at some point during D1
You never got closer than what, K-4? K-5?
Not sure what my wagon reached, but throughout the day besides wisp or Rhand i was the first to garner alot of attention. Plus enough votes where it actually amttered at 1 point or another.
The fearsome dragon, XequalsY, took to the skies, searching for something to eat. What it found instead was a man who claimed fire as an ally. Without even landing, the dragon decided to test that alliance; he unleashed a torrent of flame upon 1053nm, engulfing him in fire. Perhaps he’d be the sacrifice that R’hllor wanted. Or perhaps instead he’d just be dead.
1053nm has died! He was:
Player: 1053nm
Character: Stannis Baratheon
Faction: Baratheon
Alignment: Town
Abilities: Chosen by the Light (Active) - While you control the Iron Throne, you will learn and have this ability.
Passive: You may support your own claim to the throne.
[Chosen by the Light unlocked: Target up to two players, any abilities they use tonight (other than killing abilities) will be redirected to you.]
Factional Win Conditions: Brother's United - [redacted until end of game]
-or- Ours is the Fury - [redacted until end of game]
Your brother, the king died unexpectedly. You didn’t love him, and he didn’t love you. Yet you respected his station. So when you received the raven from Ned Stark, revealing the truth of Robert’s children, you felt the call of duty. By right, you are king.
And you met a Red Priestess from across the narrow sea, she speaks in your ear, truths she shouldn’t possibly know, the Lord of Light favors you, you are the Prince who was Promised. With her by your side, and the Lord of Light behind you, nothing will stand in the way of you taking your rightful place in the Red Keep, and destroying the false kings and pretenders!
With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
Ripp 1053, not the target I would have chosen for the shot. Curiious to know why this was the day vig though.
Is there anyone besides Thousand Winds who doesn't want the throne?
If we're gonna keep quiet about our votes, might as well know which people not to waste them on.
One of my wincons is to reign for three Days (don't think it needs to be consecutive). Despite how popular and beautiful I am, I don't really see myself holding onto power for that long, but if people are meh about voting, might as well pick me!
@Kami, well, I figured since GJ was actually posting, maybe moving the vote there. But I guess I have an unknown ability where me voting someone makes them post only once every 3 days or so.
1053 was super outside the box thinking and obviously town. I do not buy a word this man says about being suspicious of that slot.
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Also if I am right about this being BS then Shin is just the weirdest, oddest person.
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I know you said you weren’t going to elaborate more right now, but sod it, I’m asking.
Did you Do A Thing, or was The Thing fine for you? Someone compared your role to KJ from DiTF, and as I recall KJ had no say in who was checked. If you picked, why did you pick Re?
I did a Thing, and yes, I picked, but it was a choice among limited options rather than free range.
@Cantrip: Going to give a justification for that vote?
I did (2121, in which I responded to you...why are you not reading my posts?).
Also, can you explain why you don't like Winds' pre-flip reaction to X=Y's shot?
GJ, Your double fishing expedition: last line of 2111, only line of 2112. The former is a side-eyes invitation to me to confirm or deny how my role works, and the latter is a general push in the direction of "any reason we shouldn't be hinting/claiming alt-win-cons". And you didn't answer my question as to why you thought I was voting you because of my position on Vaimes/Chris.
Also, I got the impression from your 2175 that you were mildly shaming Killjoy, saying that KJ's reason for not voting Rhand (he felt bad pressuring someone with time constraints) is a poor one, but then I feel like you offered up a similarly weak reason in 2181 for not voting Rhand D1 (you would have felt bad if Rhand had flipped town, given DitF). I feel like there's a crack in that mindset, but maybe I'm misreading your 2175?
Killjoy, you seem to be finding a lot of opportunities to shade Rhand without committing to an attack on him. It feels very sneaky. As far as I can tell, your only real volley was in 1454, where you declared his process was "off", and that you didn't believe he was being genuine. I know he hasn't exactly posted the full works of Tolstoy since then, but what--if anything--have you seen in his posts after that point?
Tubba, This might sound strange, but I feel sorta honored to be one of your "if I had two shots" targets, especially when Tom's your other. I would love to be leading this game right now, but that work project I mentioned that was supposed to be done two weeks ago? Yeah, I *just* finally got it sorted out today, and that was with a lot of extra night and weekend work. So I've been a little short on time. This weekend being a holiday weekend is going to mean that I can't post a ton, but I should be able to post some, and then I should have more time in general starting Tuesday (yes, I realize a deadline is coming up shortly after that, but can't be helped). Anyway, I don't think I've *ever* been the choice of a "who would you vig, go", and it makes me smile a little.
As for X=Y's shot choice...I feel like it makes him more likely town than scum. There was a lot of discussion of "good" vig targets before he named 1053 as his target in 2182, enough possibilities (Hunger/Tubba/Kami/GJ/Rhand/Tom/me) that scum could have cherry-picked town from among the discussion subjects and made things easy for himself. There's a slight possibility that scum!X=Y saw something that made him think 1053 was a strong power role (or maybe there was a rolecop, I guess), but otherwise, I don't think scum sees that smorgasbord of "good" vig targets and veers off into 1053 territory. I'm not a fan of how he just dropped a bomb in the thread without discussion (and I'd be sorta put out if he had targeted me), but since he said he was really busy, I can understand why he did what he did.
Also, I am somewhat pleasantly surprised, even with a town target, as I had it in my head that Rod had fake-dayvigged, Shadow had given fun flavor as mods generally should do, and Rod had capitalized on that with a "oh, bummer it's a 50-50 shot, wink, wink" to draw the NK.
Tom, I think I remember you doing running votal analysis as scum in a previous game, but I don't have time to research it. Do you do that as either alignment? It's making me want to vig you because if you come up scum, there's a lot to be said for which votecounts you're highlighting and how.
Vaimes, I already indicated that I think the throne would be wasted on me (not that I think I'm going to suddenly be thrust into power any time soon, given my abysmal activity).
Shinichi, you are maintaining a healthy post count, but I don't see very much substance to your posts. That is, there seems to be a lot of fluff there. Maybe that's a byproduct of how you catch up (as demonstrated in 2213 where you ponder why 1053 was the target when X=Y had already given a reason), but it still feels...like you're not really committing on anything. So do me a favor: point to two strong stances you've taken within the last 15 posts you've made. I say two because there is at least one in there, but I want to see you find one more.
@All: I'm feeling stoked because my work issue has finally been resolved and I'm going to be able to participate at least a little more than before (hopefully a LOT more), so an invitation: it's open season on Cantripmancer. Come at me. Ask me questions. Attack. Smear. Vote. Force me to engage so I don't squander my newfound free time on frivolities.
Still have to read what exactly happened in more detail, but as a public day vig, there are far more effective strategies, I feel, than "dropping the bomb."
I'm going to try to hold off from mechanical discussion as much as possible since I just wrapped up a game where relying on it screwed me over, but should it not work like a second lynch? Where the target player should at least be given the opportunity to claim before being killed. That was the not case with Shinichi, and I know 1053 claimed, but I strongly believe that sort of claim should have made anyone hesitant in pursuing them, especially combined with their behavior day 1.
Lack of time, when involving killing, redirecting, anything with a dangerous outcome, should lead to the ability not used at all, rather than it impulsively wasted when people's lives are at stake.
Was really not impressed by their first post upon subbing in this game either.
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/barn what RE said about the Day vig, but I agree with Thousand that we shouldn’t lynch him toDay. As soon as he does another stunt like that, we should kill him with fire though.
I don’t like Vaimes’ townclear of the slot.
And I don’t like Chris’ vote. Feels like he just wants to be on the wagon asap.
Lynching potential wolf KP is the best play, and whatever mental gymnastics that are required to tell me otherwise are just not right. I am being told 'no' a lot this game and so far we have had murdered two people who I were pretty sure on town. I'd ask everyone who is town to take a quick think about someone who has been very busy but is also known for being a very good player constantly nullified. Like trying to talk to me about mechanically correct plays as if mafia is a formula is a bit of a joke. You murder a scum, you move on with your life any time you can do that.
So anyway I am now correcting my world view. Shin, from a scum Rod's pov day 1, was a very soft target that if he successfully killed he wouldn't have gotten much brush back. I don't know the game state opinion of 1053 but dude was posting crazy, obviously town theories day 1 and any suspicion of him was misguided but if there was some I don't think you shoot it in the face in good faith. Not only that but even while sharing a faction with the slot I think it feels dirty to talk about faction fishing.
Also Rodemy's rants against me during the night seemed crazy if scum but maybe Rodemy is just a crazy boy, that's respect.
Also Rhand the only thing I fear less than a vote from you is a hug from a small child. You are toothless.
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/barn what RE said about the Day vig, but I agree with Thousand that we shouldn’t lynch him toDay. As soon as he does another stunt like that, we should kill him with fire though.
I don’t like Vaimes’ townclear of the slot.
And I don’t like Chris’ vote. Feels like he just wants to be on the wagon asap.
What is scum Chris' motivation to hop on this wagon quickly?
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Shinichi, you are maintaining a healthy post count, but I don't see very much substance to your posts. That is, there seems to be a lot of fluff there. Maybe that's a byproduct of how you catch up (as demonstrated in 2213 where you ponder why 1053 was the target when X=Y had already given a reason), but it still feels...like you're not really committing on anything. So do me a favor: point to two strong stances you've taken within the last 15 posts you've made. I say two because there is at least one in there, but I want to see you find one more.
@All: I'm feeling stoked because my work issue has finally been resolved and I'm going to be able to participate at least a little more than before (hopefully a LOT more), so an invitation: it's open season on Cantripmancer. Come at me. Ask me questions. Attack. Smear. Vote. Force me to engage so I don't squander my newfound free time on frivolities.
Im confused as to why you want me to locate my stances? Also when reading things before the shot there was a post about it being made but like it wasnt a very good reason. Problem is Rod tried to shoot me and i scum read him, the replacement didn't so im confused. I think the slot just has to be scum though because it seems pretty evident its a scum day vig from my POV.
I jsut want you to go more into details about the read on RE is all.
Still have to read what exactly happened in more detail, but as a public day vig, there are far more effective strategies, I feel, than "dropping the bomb."
I'm going to try to hold off from mechanical discussion as much as possible since I just wrapped up a game where relying on it screwed me over, but should it not work like a second lynch? Where the target player should at least be given the opportunity to claim before being killed. That was the not case with Shinichi, and I know 1053 claimed, but I strongly believe that sort of claim should have made anyone hesitant in pursuing them, especially combined with their behavior day 1.
Lack of time, when involving killing, redirecting, anything with a dangerous outcome, should lead to the ability not used at all, rather than it impulsively wasted when people's lives are at stake.
Was really not impressed by their first post upon subbing in this game either.
Makes sense, like when Rod tried to shoot me he was more talkative about the decision. XE just came in made a post about his shot with a little description but thats about it. Not really a fan of how it was done, was hoping the slot could be some kind of town day vig but looking at that shot its ahrd to believe it. There was really no reason for me to claim my ability, more harmful to out my ability so I rather not have to use it to save myself.
He/She had the time to make the decision I would assume. Plus if the slot is mafia ther could have been an ongoing chat in the scum chat talking about who to shoot and why. Which then lead to a half baked post about "Im shooting Xequalsy for this reason".
Judging a person on their first post afte rbeing replaced in? Ewww?
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I was thinking the same until I realised xequalsy is tge Rodemy slot
By public Dayvig + blatant non-info shot makes me feel better about it being town.
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So what you’re saying is that scum wouldn’t do what scum would do because it might out them as scum?
And therefor obvious scum moves are town moves?
I think that’s a shallow way of looking at this. What would be the town motivation for a shot like that?
If scum were going to kill anyone without asking to be directed, they probably wouldn’t have shot 1053 of all people unless they had a Rolecop check or something.
I feel you on the bolded, but I don’t know about the rest. It just pinged me that he would get run up so far and then be dropped. I don’t know if his wagon was pure, probably not.
If your goal is to make me less suspicious of Rhand, it’s not really working.
NVM me. Lol.
Not True, its only icky if your using those tiime constraints as a reason to vote him. If your voting him based on the content hes already posted there is 0 wrong with that.
Not sure what my wagon reached, but throughout the day besides wisp or Rhand i was the first to garner alot of attention. Plus enough votes where it actually amttered at 1 point or another.
Rhand is super busy and people have still posted less than him Ripp XD. Doesn't really say much about any of their alighments tough.
Ripp 1053, not the target I would have chosen for the shot. Curiious to know why this was the day vig though.
peak of last wagon:
Last (7): RE, tom, Rhand, Vaimes, HR, Kami, rod
grape (3): LnGrr, DV, last
Rhand (2): kj, 1053
DV (1): grape
Shin (1): Chris
Not Voting (6): Shin, Tubba, GJ, Cantrip, Hunger
Rhand wagon overtaking:
Rhand (5): 1053, tom, DV, kj, kami
Last (4): Rhand, HR, Rod, tubba
HR (2):gj, last
Shin (2): Chris, vaimes
Grape (1): LnGrr
Cantrip (1): RE
Kami (1): grape
Not Voting (3): shin, Cantrip, Hunger
Three wagons on flipped town:
Rhand (4): tom, DV, kj, kami
Last (3): HR, Rod, tubba
HR (3):gj, last, rhand
Shin (3): Chris, vaimes, cantrip
Grape (3): LnGrr, 1053, shin
Cantrip (1): RE
Kami (1): grape
Not Voting (1): Hunger
From here, the next page (#36) had RE, Last, Vaimes, DV, Kami, HR vote grape in quick succession, eventually leading to
Grape (10): LnGrr, 1053, shin, Last, Vaimes, DV, Kami, HR, RE, KJ
Rhand (2): tom, grape
Last (2): Rod, Tubba
Shin (2): Chris, Cantrip
HR (2): GJ, Rhand
Not Voting (1): Hunger
Rod/kami/tubba/rhand the most likely from it im some order
Also dont think theres 10 town on grape at eod
Kami and kj my biggest question marks there
Those two also on the rhand wagon...
1-2 in kj>kami>rhand?
Then, like, the rest "ill just stay out of it" scum (hunger, chris, gj, cantrip and/or re i guess)
No one's really campaigning for the throne.
Not that it matters, because I'm the now and forever king.
I just find it weird that there hasn't been a single peep about it.
Unvote Kami, vote GJ
If we're gonna keep quiet about our votes, might as well know which people not to waste them on.
One of my wincons is to reign for three Days (don't think it needs to be consecutive). Despite how popular and beautiful I am, I don't really see myself holding onto power for that long, but if people are meh about voting, might as well pick me!
I think Cantrip said he doesn’t want to be on it?
Right? Like you turn to the side to fast and take your ****in eye out.
To me at least.
Re: the throne, I don't see a reason to have it.
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Idc about the throne due to not gaining any benefits besides the voting power.
Who decided to shoot 1053? I want to kill them.
Not caught up yet, if you couldn't tell from the time stamps.
But seriously?
Yesterday and the day before, the shots were used extremely carelessly.
1053 was super outside the box thinking and obviously town. I do not buy a word this man says about being suspicious of that slot.
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I did a Thing, and yes, I picked, but it was a choice among limited options rather than free range.
I did (2121, in which I responded to you...why are you not reading my posts?).
Also, can you explain why you don't like Winds' pre-flip reaction to X=Y's shot?
GJ, Your double fishing expedition: last line of 2111, only line of 2112. The former is a side-eyes invitation to me to confirm or deny how my role works, and the latter is a general push in the direction of "any reason we shouldn't be hinting/claiming alt-win-cons". And you didn't answer my question as to why you thought I was voting you because of my position on Vaimes/Chris.
Also, I got the impression from your 2175 that you were mildly shaming Killjoy, saying that KJ's reason for not voting Rhand (he felt bad pressuring someone with time constraints) is a poor one, but then I feel like you offered up a similarly weak reason in 2181 for not voting Rhand D1 (you would have felt bad if Rhand had flipped town, given DitF). I feel like there's a crack in that mindset, but maybe I'm misreading your 2175?
Killjoy, you seem to be finding a lot of opportunities to shade Rhand without committing to an attack on him. It feels very sneaky. As far as I can tell, your only real volley was in 1454, where you declared his process was "off", and that you didn't believe he was being genuine. I know he hasn't exactly posted the full works of Tolstoy since then, but what--if anything--have you seen in his posts after that point?
Tubba, This might sound strange, but I feel sorta honored to be one of your "if I had two shots" targets, especially when Tom's your other. I would love to be leading this game right now, but that work project I mentioned that was supposed to be done two weeks ago? Yeah, I *just* finally got it sorted out today, and that was with a lot of extra night and weekend work. So I've been a little short on time. This weekend being a holiday weekend is going to mean that I can't post a ton, but I should be able to post some, and then I should have more time in general starting Tuesday (yes, I realize a deadline is coming up shortly after that, but can't be helped). Anyway, I don't think I've *ever* been the choice of a "who would you vig, go", and it makes me smile a little.
As for X=Y's shot choice...I feel like it makes him more likely town than scum. There was a lot of discussion of "good" vig targets before he named 1053 as his target in 2182, enough possibilities (Hunger/Tubba/Kami/GJ/Rhand/Tom/me) that scum could have cherry-picked town from among the discussion subjects and made things easy for himself. There's a slight possibility that scum!X=Y saw something that made him think 1053 was a strong power role (or maybe there was a rolecop, I guess), but otherwise, I don't think scum sees that smorgasbord of "good" vig targets and veers off into 1053 territory. I'm not a fan of how he just dropped a bomb in the thread without discussion (and I'd be sorta put out if he had targeted me), but since he said he was really busy, I can understand why he did what he did.
Also, I am somewhat pleasantly surprised, even with a town target, as I had it in my head that Rod had fake-dayvigged, Shadow had given fun flavor as mods generally should do, and Rod had capitalized on that with a "oh, bummer it's a 50-50 shot, wink, wink" to draw the NK.
Tom, I think I remember you doing running votal analysis as scum in a previous game, but I don't have time to research it. Do you do that as either alignment? It's making me want to vig you because if you come up scum, there's a lot to be said for which votecounts you're highlighting and how.
Vaimes, I already indicated that I think the throne would be wasted on me (not that I think I'm going to suddenly be thrust into power any time soon, given my abysmal activity).
Shinichi, you are maintaining a healthy post count, but I don't see very much substance to your posts. That is, there seems to be a lot of fluff there. Maybe that's a byproduct of how you catch up (as demonstrated in 2213 where you ponder why 1053 was the target when X=Y had already given a reason), but it still feels...like you're not really committing on anything. So do me a favor: point to two strong stances you've taken within the last 15 posts you've made. I say two because there is at least one in there, but I want to see you find one more.
@All: I'm feeling stoked because my work issue has finally been resolved and I'm going to be able to participate at least a little more than before (hopefully a LOT more), so an invitation: it's open season on Cantripmancer. Come at me. Ask me questions. Attack. Smear. Vote. Force me to engage so I don't squander my newfound free time on frivolities.
I didn't like the reaction because it felt like he knew it wouldn't flip scum.
Semi-relevant question, but do you get the impression of me so far that I am someone that lacks confidence in my ability to town read people?
I'm going to try to hold off from mechanical discussion as much as possible since I just wrapped up a game where relying on it screwed me over, but should it not work like a second lynch? Where the target player should at least be given the opportunity to claim before being killed. That was the not case with Shinichi, and I know 1053 claimed, but I strongly believe that sort of claim should have made anyone hesitant in pursuing them, especially combined with their behavior day 1.
Lack of time, when involving killing, redirecting, anything with a dangerous outcome, should lead to the ability not used at all, rather than it impulsively wasted when people's lives are at stake.
Was really not impressed by their first post upon subbing in this game either.
Even if you think he's a wolf, there's probably 3-4 other wolves, and we can force him to shoot who we want in future days.
I don't think he's a wolf, but from a mechanical standpoint he's not a good lynch.
I don’t like Vaimes’ townclear of the slot.
And I don’t like Chris’ vote. Feels like he just wants to be on the wagon asap.
*desire to kill Shin intensifies*
@Rhand we can't kill him with fire that's his ability *finger guns*
So anyway I am now correcting my world view. Shin, from a scum Rod's pov day 1, was a very soft target that if he successfully killed he wouldn't have gotten much brush back. I don't know the game state opinion of 1053 but dude was posting crazy, obviously town theories day 1 and any suspicion of him was misguided but if there was some I don't think you shoot it in the face in good faith. Not only that but even while sharing a faction with the slot I think it feels dirty to talk about faction fishing.
Also Rodemy's rants against me during the night seemed crazy if scum but maybe Rodemy is just a crazy boy, that's respect.
Also Rhand the only thing I fear less than a vote from you is a hug from a small child. You are toothless.
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What is scum Chris' motivation to hop on this wagon quickly?
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
Im confused as to why you want me to locate my stances? Also when reading things before the shot there was a post about it being made but like it wasnt a very good reason. Problem is Rod tried to shoot me and i scum read him, the replacement didn't so im confused. I think the slot just has to be scum though because it seems pretty evident its a scum day vig from my POV.
I jsut want you to go more into details about the read on RE is all.
Vote: xequalsy
Makes sense, like when Rod tried to shoot me he was more talkative about the decision. XE just came in made a post about his shot with a little description but thats about it. Not really a fan of how it was done, was hoping the slot could be some kind of town day vig but looking at that shot its ahrd to believe it. There was really no reason for me to claim my ability, more harmful to out my ability so I rather not have to use it to save myself.
He/She had the time to make the decision I would assume. Plus if the slot is mafia ther could have been an ongoing chat in the scum chat talking about who to shoot and why. Which then lead to a half baked post about "Im shooting Xequalsy for this reason".
Judging a person on their first post afte rbeing replaced in? Ewww?