you say that I've ignored a lot of these arguments between others, like with Grape and DV
if I had looked deeper at Grape's responses, and DV's and gave a response based on what I found, it would be total bull*****
Tubba/1053
are those reads not good enough? rereading Tubba's response, my thoughts might have been rushed... but he only responds to posts about him, that's it, you can't honestly tell me that is towny
just reading 1053's posts, it feels like he knows I will flip town... I mean they are level-0 but they are still reads... anything more from my head would've been total bs or an exaggeration
doesn't matter how deep the tunnel is on me, you always seem to be afraid to town read me
Could you refute the points I've brought up in favor of a town!Shinichi? Directed at anyone, actually, who wants to lynch Shinichi.
Shinichi threatening Rodemy if he was going to use stress in order to not post
I think as scum, he wouldn't push Rodemy for something like that, because it personal, and as scum, he should have been more familiar with the mechanic based on the usual strategic discussion in the wolf chat.)
that is nai, Shin would argue the same ***** as town or mafia, but as town he would have the balls to actually vote there and him frequently messing up the mechanic behind how the Iron Throne works, one time by wanting to vote D_V to solve his alignment.
sure that was towny I won't deny it
but you are also ignoring a large section of his posts, and on a macro level he exceptionally scummy... if it wasn't for the fact that I've played several games with him, I would be burying him, the only decent meta read of my brother is his past meta of slanking if he was wolf, and idk how it has changed
Also explain the 1053 read to me. I think they've had the opposite trend for me, where they've gotten townier from earlier, based on an increasing number of behavioral reads and their explanation for finding me sketchy was reasonable.
I cant imagine myself being that wrong on the LHF
Kame has made a fair share of thoughts I liked, honestly, there hasnt been one I hated
Rhand is mostly meta, as well as the fact that there just doesnt seem to be any maliciousness coming from him
as well as his push on Highroller
Cantrip is literally just walls and walls, and he's not taking any stances
grr gets left alone because of his faction claim
rodemy gets left alone because of his vigi-claim thing
vaimes seems to be a town wide meta read? so im not going to dive there
tom is ******* tom, like what else do you want me to say
hunger? same *****, its just thoughts but he doesnt do anything to move the game-state
KJ? I cant even remember his posts tbf
And directly state your read of me. Think that's part of the reason I find you scummy, because it seems like you're seeking my approval but are holding out on taking a solid stance on me.
cause I won't read you? you want me to build a level 100 read on you right now? or do you want me to simply say that the effort you're putting into this game with your thoughts and backreading doesn't feel wolfy? I can't imagine you putting this effort as a wolf? and im simply not going to dive deeper into this right now
What your "clear" is here is you think theres scum in a list
So me and shin are more likely within the faction making last and kj less likely
I agree 2 scum (now that last claimed) Starks is moderately unlikely. I know im town. I *think* shinichi is too. So...
Like if you wanna give your list of people at some point ill happily do some math with it.
But, ok youve narrowed it down to having 3-5 names at this point. I assume youre not contending youve been given more than half the scum team, so 2 is prolly the max you have (whether 4 or 5 scum total)
If youve got only 3 names and 2 are me and shin, think assuming 2/3 scum is fairly ridiculous in any context, but if you assume 1 in 3 names or 2 in 5 with wiggle room for 1 or 2 in 4, that would make me and shin 33, 40, and (25+50)/2=37.5 percent to be scum, respectively. Ir [somewhere between] 8% and 15% >rand scum (from 25), and thus last and kj the same amount in the opposite direction, if you assume exactly 1 scum within the faction
Cool.
Best case scenario youve got last down to 10% or so to be scum
Take away any one of the assumptions it takes to get there and it all crumbles...
I do care what you have to say. But... for the purposes of reading you.
I can take whst youre saying into account a little. Ive got you at >rand town now and ill add it to the cslculations that go on in my head when i make up percentages for a readslist like, mid day 2
Right now, it maybe moves last and shin a little closer together but neither of them cross the null line
@Tubba
also can you give me a lean list? like just names, I dont need you to make this super elaborate reasoning on anyone, I just want to see where you are at, as there are two days left to day 1
1. KamikazeArchon-town lean
2. Vaimes-town
3. Sir Chris-neutral
4. Cantripmancer-null
5. Shinichi-scum lean
6. Rhand-scum lean
7. Hunger-null
8. Grapefruit21-neutral
9. Tubba Fett-wouldn’t you like to know
10. LnGrrrR-town lean
11. Coballt Gentleman Johnny-null
12. Highroller-neutral
13. Rodemy-mechanical town lean
14. RE1031-town lean
15. 1053nm-neutral
16. Lastwhisper-scum lean
17. Killjoy-neutral
18. D_V-town lean
19. tomsloger-Tom lean
This is about where I’m at right now.
@Re
I quoted your post that had a relevant Last quote couched in it. I should’ve clarified that I was speaking to Last.
@Last
You could be town in that it looks like you’re reevaluating your view of the game state. As chaotic a process as it’s been, it’s pkausibly town behaviour. It’s when you lock up on explaining your positions that makes me skeptical. I won’t complain about your reads or how you get there, but it gets to a point where you need to share with the class.
@Tom
question when I flip town? do you try to re-evaluate shin, or is he still scum? cause like you coming from me is susp since shin will be much easier to push tomorrow after I flip town...
@Tom
question when I flip town? do you try to re-evaluate shin, or is he still scum? cause like you coming from me is susp since shin will be much easier to push tomorrow after I flip town...
thats my tinfoil at least
him and kj a bit more likely scum if youre town but, again, just some percentage points.
Dont really think scumtom puts much effort into lynching either of you though tbh. Ive quite enjoyed you being in the game clogging it up to keep analysts from rereading and being easily manipulatable when ive been scum and you town. Shin i dont understand well enough to manipulate but hes also more likely than you to just get himself lynched without my help.
So yeah not really sure why thats a tinfoil doesnt sound like me at all
wth does that even mean, why are you trying to be cheeky?
I hate how you still have highroller at neutral
as well as me, shin, rhand as scum leans? like thats all bases... wisp flips town, guess we get to go with shin next
you also havent voted any of your leans
@Tom
question when I flip town? do you try to re-evaluate shin, or is he still scum? cause like you coming from me is susp since shin will be much easier to push tomorrow after I flip town...
thats my tinfoil at least
him and kj a bit more likely scum if youre town but, again, just some percentage points.
Dont really think scumtom puts much effort into lynching either of you though tbh. Ive quite enjoyed you being in the game clogging it up to keep analysts from rereading and being easily manipulatable when ive been scum and you town. Shin i dont understand well enough to manipulate but hes also more likely than you to just get himself lynched without my help.
So yeah not really sure why thats a tinfoil doesnt sound like me at all
I wouldnt call this effort...
and that was one game where you pocketed me... one game
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm ******* up here, aren't I.
I still remember you asking me to do the same thing in the MU DBS game where you were scum. I'll try something else, just to be safe. I think you can agree on it as well.
vote: Cantripmancer
Reasons previously stated. Too tired to repeat.
@KJ
How's your meta dive on me going?
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I dunno what to think anymore. From what I can gather of DV's claim (he has a list of 2-6 people and expects scum in said list, and because it contains neither KJ or LW and contains tom and Shin he believes mechanically that Wisp is town due to combination of faction/list math) I'm kind of not moved without knowing who else is on the list (it's obviously not me because then he wouldn't be doubting who the scum was). But it makes me feel better about DV for the time being and given I feel better about Wisp from his defeatism I'm kind of at a loss.
I'm supremely demotivated to go look at my wagon/accusers for scum because the majority are tone/"why you pickin' on DV reads?" and that's just not a productive use of my time.
I still think Shin is town. I still think Vaimes is town. I still think Rod and HR are town. I never bothered looking at Rhand again but I still kind of think he's town.
I want to scum read Wisp for claiming for no reason but I can't.
KJ still feels off to me but nothing I can articulate or point a finger to. I'm probably just conf biasing his weird DV read from early into oblivion. Too many words. Too many of them from me.
@Wisp, given your claim, losing one member of your faction could make your wincon harder. Given that, why go at Shinichi? Are you THAT sure he is scum that you are willing to hurt your other wincon? Seems pretty bold for Day 1, especially if you have suspects outside your house.
Is that actually a scumtell? Why do you not call me out for it every game I do it to you?
idk thats why theres a question mark
And you dont just reduce to "tom is tom" you use it as part of a process and also come by it pretty honestly lol.
Guess I missed all that AI stuff you did earlier. I’ll just sheep the other lock Tom reads on Day one...
This doesn’t even make you less scum which is how much of a handle I don’t have on your game.
@Last
If only there was a way to gain further insight into my list... FTR, a neutral read is different than a null read. Null is not enough information whereas neutral is someone who could go either way. You’ve contradicted yourself all game, you’ve had more AtE’s than a My Chemical Romance Album, that’s gonna get s scum lean from me all day. Shin is collateral damage, he should probably be neutral but he’s in the middle of your muddle. Rhand is a tonal thing, I’m not seeing the HR catch as that compelling.
@KJ
Reach out and ask me baby, I’m right here. I was asked for a list and provided a list. I’d honestly love to be engaged though.
@Wisp, given your claim, losing one member of your faction could make your wincon harder. Given that, why go at Shinichi? Are you THAT sure he is scum that you are willing to hurt your other wincon? Seems pretty bold for Day 1, especially if you have suspects outside your house.
I think I made it clear very early that I didn't care about my alt win cons over my main win con
Is that actually a scumtell? Why do you not call me out for it every game I do it to you?
idk thats why theres a question mark
And you dont just reduce to "tom is tom" you use it as part of a process and also come by it pretty honestly lol.
Guess I missed all that AI stuff you did earlier. I’ll just sheep the other lock Tom reads on Day one...
This doesn’t even make you less scum which is how much of a handle I don’t have on your game.
@Last
If only there was a way to gain further insight into my list... FTR, a neutral read is different than a null read. Null is not enough information whereas neutral is someone who could go either way. You’ve contradicted yourself all game, you’ve had more AtE’s than a My Chemical Romance Album, that’s gonna get s scum lean from me all day. Shin is collateral damage, he should probably be neutral but he’s in the middle of your muddle. Rhand is a tonal thing, I’m not seeing the HR catch as that compelling.
@KJ
Reach out and ask me baby, I’m right here. I was asked for a list and provided a list. I’d honestly love to be engaged though.
then vote me??? That's the problem, put ur money where your mouth is
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like the fact that you flip-flopped me early on was towny
you thought u had something, re-evaluated, but then ended up back on my sadly
but like theres also the world where you play the super hyper-aggressive scum early, find something to snap onto, then stick to, give reasons that look really good in hindsight, rereading a past game and noticing a slight difference and jumping on it, which has two worlds...
1. You actually believed that, in which you are probably town, but like what made you notice this since I had died before you really got going...
2. You do the level-0 scum play, jump in with this amazing "i got you case", give substantial evidence I am scum, instead of letting it play out naturally, and then completely dip from the thread only to make sure people know how scummy I am throughout the thread, the world in which you are scum
What do you think about the Tom/Last/Shin faction? They all seem pretty confident they have scum amongst them, but none of them have really mentioned why.
explain to me where I am confident that there is scum in my faction?
FTR, a neutral read is different than a null read. Null is not enough information whereas neutral is someone who could go either way. You’ve contradicted yourself all game, you’ve had more AtE’s than a My Chemical Romance Album, that’s gonna get s scum lean from me all day. Shin is collateral damage, he should probably be neutral but he’s in the middle of your muddle.
I am just saying, that there should be something that you can talk about from HR, that puts him somewhere thats not neutral...
you are equating your read of shin to me, there is no muddle, like at all
Shin should be a scum lean for the most part, except that Grape and RE gave reasons as to why he isnt...
You are not committing to anything, your scum leans are just echos of the thread, and even Tom is Tom is just like repeated from what others have said
you have been sitting on the same reads all game, and nothing seems to be of your own accord, and you have not placed your vote anywhere
you also continue to shade me, and lastly, tell me how being inconsistent is even a scum tell?
Tell me something that I havent read in the thread, I want you to blow out your read on me and shin... real thoughts as to why we are scum, or even grape? like there is no world where me, grape, and shin are all scum together, yet your leans are literally just us, its like you are setting up to push mislynches knowing
while your at it, tell me why rhand is scum, since its literally again, just another echo of the thread
I think you are full of *****, and I am at about 90% sure you will flip scum out of the low hanging fruits...
@RE
actually no, tell me exactly what comes of you voting Cantrip? are you going to pull out anything from his walls, that tells me he is scum? outside you just being paranoid of walls?
are you going to make him talk? are you going to tell us why we should vote him? its just another useless vote, like you might as well just keep voting me if this is your attempt to pretend you care about what I will flip
and then you state its paranoia? ya get out of here
@Last: Earlier you said you would not claim anything. Then you gave us a fullclaim.
1. Why did you say you wouldn't claim anything?
2. What changed?
I was being petty
but like, I didnt want to claim my faction at first because I wanted y'all to work for it
and my role doesnt say anything about my alignment, since it can go both ways
I had claimed because I missread DV's statement, I thought he noticed something OoG that pointed to what my flavor was, so I wanted to remove that disconnect
I’m guessing you forgot the 10 or 12 pages where you flip flopped on scumShin? A read which to this point boils down to “super scummy but I’m not voting because he’s mislynch meta”?
If you’d read my post you’d see where I mentioned your plausible towniness in your re-evaluation of the game. But you don’t really back anything up. You move from one theory to the next, claim that people are too hard to nail down, then start scumrwading me because... I don’t have anybody nailed down. I’ll concede that you could be town, but it’s unhelpful town right now. I could see your AtE as >randtown based on how put out you were by going home so early last game, but your handling of Shin is the biggest factor for me. Once momentum built there you changed your tune, sang his mislynch praises, and still left the backdoor open by continuing to call him scummmy. Calling me out as LHF is totally fair, but I don’t see how you’re planning on justifying it. Maybe it’s just a bad week for you. I’m not trying to shade you, I’m trying to figure you out and right now you look scummy. Sorry if the “emo drowning victim” crossed a line, I was shooting for snarky/funny.
My Rhand read is tonal, I feel like after being mislynched last game townRhand would be firing on all cylinders. Maybe it’s irl time constraints, maybe it’s scum looking for a place to happen. His pop ins feel a little wolfy and his follow ups are still pending.
Shinichi is tied to you whether you like it or not. You spent so much time scum reading him, with an equal amount of reeling it back without much to either case. They haven’t brought much to the thread, some mechanics and a little defense.
HR doesn’t seem like he’s pushing an agenda. If anything, my vine on HR is that he might have an anti town side win situation. Could go either way, thus neutral.
Grape is acting like DITF Grape without the KJ clear. Not sure what that means to me as of yet.
Seriously though, you asked for a leans list. That’s where I’m at right now. I don’t think I’m 100%, maybe not even 50%. I think it’s unreasonable to expect me to be, and you’re pushing me for garbage reasons. It’s not and will continue to be a bad look.
@RE
actually no, tell me exactly what comes of you voting Cantrip? are you going to pull out anything from his walls, that tells me he is scum? outside you just being paranoid of walls?
are you going to make him talk? are you going to tell us why we should vote him? its just another useless vote, like you might as well just keep voting me if this is your attempt to pretend you care about what I will flip
and then you state its paranoia? ya get out of here
I feel like you aren't even reading my posts. My vote on Cantrip has nothing to do with paranoia. It doesn't even have to do with his wallposting.
I should vote you, shouldn't I? I just didn't take you as someone who'd rely on disgusting AtE to get out of a lynch.
Grape is acting like DITF Grape without the KJ clear. Not sure what that means to me as of yet.
that should mean town, since you know thats what he flipped right?
Shinichi is tied to you whether you like it or not. You spent so much time scum reading him, with an equal amount of reeling it back without much to either case. They haven’t brought much to the thread, some mechanics and a little defense.
Shin is not tied to me, neither of us have to flip scum
My Rhand read is tonal, I feel like after being mislynched last game townRhand would be firing on all cylinders. Maybe it’s irl time constraints, maybe it’s scum looking for a place to happen. His pop ins feel a little wolfy and his follow ups are still pending.
talking about garbage reads, this is a garbage read
How I choose to handle my brother is up to me...
also you still arent voting anyone... hello?
and those reads are shallow as shallow can be, and dont say much of anything to me really
if anything the Grape and rhand read prove how fake your reads are
"look bad" do you think I care at this point about looking bad at this point?
lmao
if I had looked deeper at Grape's responses, and DV's and gave a response based on what I found, it would be total bull*****
Tubba/1053
are those reads not good enough? rereading Tubba's response, my thoughts might have been rushed... but he only responds to posts about him, that's it, you can't honestly tell me that is towny
just reading 1053's posts, it feels like he knows I will flip town... I mean they are level-0 but they are still reads... anything more from my head would've been total bs or an exaggeration
doesn't matter how deep the tunnel is on me, you always seem to be afraid to town read me
Could you refute the points I've brought up in favor of a town!Shinichi? Directed at anyone, actually, who wants to lynch Shinichi.
Shinichi threatening Rodemy if he was going to use stress in order to not post
I think as scum, he wouldn't push Rodemy for something like that, because it personal, and as scum, he should have been more familiar with the mechanic based on the usual strategic discussion in the wolf chat.)
that is nai, Shin would argue the same ***** as town or mafia, but as town he would have the balls to actually vote there
and him frequently messing up the mechanic behind how the Iron Throne works, one time by wanting to vote D_V to solve his alignment.
sure that was towny I won't deny it
but you are also ignoring a large section of his posts, and on a macro level he exceptionally scummy... if it wasn't for the fact that I've played several games with him, I would be burying him, the only decent meta read of my brother is his past meta of slanking if he was wolf, and idk how it has changed
Also explain the 1053 read to me. I think they've had the opposite trend for me, where they've gotten townier from earlier, based on an increasing number of behavioral reads and their explanation for finding me sketchy was reasonable.
I cant imagine myself being that wrong on the LHF
Kame has made a fair share of thoughts I liked, honestly, there hasnt been one I hated
Rhand is mostly meta, as well as the fact that there just doesnt seem to be any maliciousness coming from him
as well as his push on Highroller
Cantrip is literally just walls and walls, and he's not taking any stances
grr gets left alone because of his faction claim
rodemy gets left alone because of his vigi-claim thing
vaimes seems to be a town wide meta read? so im not going to dive there
tom is ******* tom, like what else do you want me to say
hunger? same *****, its just thoughts but he doesnt do anything to move the game-state
KJ? I cant even remember his posts tbf
And directly state your read of me. Think that's part of the reason I find you scummy, because it seems like you're seeking my approval but are holding out on taking a solid stance on me.
cause I won't read you? you want me to build a level 100 read on you right now? or do you want me to simply say that the effort you're putting into this game with your thoughts and backreading doesn't feel wolfy? I can't imagine you putting this effort as a wolf? and im simply not going to dive deeper into this right now
What your "clear" is here is you think theres scum in a list
So me and shin are more likely within the faction making last and kj less likely
I agree 2 scum (now that last claimed) Starks is moderately unlikely. I know im town. I *think* shinichi is too. So...
Like if you wanna give your list of people at some point ill happily do some math with it.
But, ok youve narrowed it down to having 3-5 names at this point. I assume youre not contending youve been given more than half the scum team, so 2 is prolly the max you have (whether 4 or 5 scum total)
If youve got only 3 names and 2 are me and shin, think assuming 2/3 scum is fairly ridiculous in any context, but if you assume 1 in 3 names or 2 in 5 with wiggle room for 1 or 2 in 4, that would make me and shin 33, 40, and (25+50)/2=37.5 percent to be scum, respectively. Ir [somewhere between] 8% and 15% >rand scum (from 25), and thus last and kj the same amount in the opposite direction, if you assume exactly 1 scum within the faction
Cool.
Best case scenario youve got last down to 10% or so to be scum
Take away any one of the assumptions it takes to get there and it all crumbles...
I do care what you have to say. But... for the purposes of reading you.
I can take whst youre saying into account a little. Ive got you at >rand town now and ill add it to the cslculations that go on in my head when i make up percentages for a readslist like, mid day 2
Right now, it maybe moves last and shin a little closer together but neither of them cross the null line
1. KamikazeArchon-town lean
2. Vaimes-town
3. Sir Chris-neutral
4. Cantripmancer-null
5. Shinichi-scum lean
6. Rhand-scum lean
7. Hunger-null
8. Grapefruit21-neutral
9. Tubba Fett-wouldn’t you like to know
10. LnGrrrR-town lean
11. Coballt Gentleman Johnny-null
12. Highroller-neutral
13. Rodemy-mechanical town lean
14. RE1031-town lean
15. 1053nm-neutral
16. Lastwhisper-scum lean
17. Killjoy-neutral
18. D_V-town lean
19. tomsloger-Tom lean
This is about where I’m at right now.
@Re
I quoted your post that had a relevant Last quote couched in it. I should’ve clarified that I was speaking to Last.
@Last
You could be town in that it looks like you’re reevaluating your view of the game state. As chaotic a process as it’s been, it’s pkausibly town behaviour. It’s when you lock up on explaining your positions that makes me skeptical. I won’t complain about your reads or how you get there, but it gets to a point where you need to share with the class.
vote tubba
question when I flip town? do you try to re-evaluate shin, or is he still scum? cause like you coming from me is susp since shin will be much easier to push tomorrow after I flip town...
thats my tinfoil at least
Even for me
Dont really think scumtom puts much effort into lynching either of you though tbh. Ive quite enjoyed you being in the game clogging it up to keep analysts from rereading and being easily manipulatable when ive been scum and you town. Shin i dont understand well enough to manipulate but hes also more likely than you to just get himself lynched without my help.
So yeah not really sure why thats a tinfoil doesnt sound like me at all
wth does that even mean, why are you trying to be cheeky?
I hate how you still have highroller at neutral
as well as me, shin, rhand as scum leans? like thats all bases... wisp flips town, guess we get to go with shin next
you also havent voted any of your leans
and that was one game where you pocketed me... one game
let me enjoy my tinfoil plz
this is where you help us CFD onto Tubba
I still remember you asking me to do the same thing in the MU DBS game where you were scum. I'll try something else, just to be safe. I think you can agree on it as well.
vote: Cantripmancer
Reasons previously stated. Too tired to repeat.
@KJ
How's your meta dive on me going?
And you dont just reduce to "tom is tom" you use it as part of a process and also come by it pretty honestly lol.
I dunno what to think anymore. From what I can gather of DV's claim (he has a list of 2-6 people and expects scum in said list, and because it contains neither KJ or LW and contains tom and Shin he believes mechanically that Wisp is town due to combination of faction/list math) I'm kind of not moved without knowing who else is on the list (it's obviously not me because then he wouldn't be doubting who the scum was). But it makes me feel better about DV for the time being and given I feel better about Wisp from his defeatism I'm kind of at a loss.
I'm supremely demotivated to go look at my wagon/accusers for scum because the majority are tone/"why you pickin' on DV reads?" and that's just not a productive use of my time.
I still think Shin is town. I still think Vaimes is town. I still think Rod and HR are town. I never bothered looking at Rhand again but I still kind of think he's town.
I want to scum read Wisp for claiming for no reason but I can't.
KJ still feels off to me but nothing I can articulate or point a finger to. I'm probably just conf biasing his weird DV read from early into oblivion. Too many words. Too many of them from me.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Guess I missed all that AI stuff you did earlier. I’ll just sheep the other lock Tom reads on Day one...
This doesn’t even make you less scum which is how much of a handle I don’t have on your game.
@Last
If only there was a way to gain further insight into my list... FTR, a neutral read is different than a null read. Null is not enough information whereas neutral is someone who could go either way. You’ve contradicted yourself all game, you’ve had more AtE’s than a My Chemical Romance Album, that’s gonna get s scum lean from me all day. Shin is collateral damage, he should probably be neutral but he’s in the middle of your muddle. Rhand is a tonal thing, I’m not seeing the HR catch as that compelling.
@KJ
Reach out and ask me baby, I’m right here. I was asked for a list and provided a list. I’d honestly love to be engaged though.
Lol your level of paranioa never ceases to amaze me, but you are right, I am fine with Cantrip, don't think it will go anywhere though
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There’s something really wrong with the one LW claimed.
But I'm interested, what's wrong with it?
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Why am I on that list?
Elaborate?
I've been saying that since Page 3!
because its actually as I stated
I also have this tinfoil right now, which I dont want to state
you thought u had something, re-evaluated, but then ended up back on my sadly
but like theres also the world where you play the super hyper-aggressive scum early, find something to snap onto, then stick to, give reasons that look really good in hindsight, rereading a past game and noticing a slight difference and jumping on it, which has two worlds...
1. You actually believed that, in which you are probably town, but like what made you notice this since I had died before you really got going...
2. You do the level-0 scum play, jump in with this amazing "i got you case", give substantial evidence I am scum, instead of letting it play out naturally, and then completely dip from the thread only to make sure people know how scummy I am throughout the thread, the world in which you are scum
explain to me where I am confident that there is scum in my faction?
I am just saying, that there should be something that you can talk about from HR, that puts him somewhere thats not neutral...
you are equating your read of shin to me, there is no muddle, like at all
Shin should be a scum lean for the most part, except that Grape and RE gave reasons as to why he isnt...
You are not committing to anything, your scum leans are just echos of the thread, and even Tom is Tom is just like repeated from what others have said
you have been sitting on the same reads all game, and nothing seems to be of your own accord, and you have not placed your vote anywhere
you also continue to shade me, and lastly, tell me how being inconsistent is even a scum tell?
Tell me something that I havent read in the thread, I want you to blow out your read on me and shin... real thoughts as to why we are scum, or even grape? like there is no world where me, grape, and shin are all scum together, yet your leans are literally just us, its like you are setting up to push mislynches knowing
while your at it, tell me why rhand is scum, since its literally again, just another echo of the thread
I think you are full of *****, and I am at about 90% sure you will flip scum out of the low hanging fruits...
actually no, tell me exactly what comes of you voting Cantrip? are you going to pull out anything from his walls, that tells me he is scum? outside you just being paranoid of walls?
are you going to make him talk? are you going to tell us why we should vote him? its just another useless vote, like you might as well just keep voting me if this is your attempt to pretend you care about what I will flip
and then you state its paranoia? ya get out of here
and it could possibly be a combination of the lannisters and frey? i never asked to be fair
1. Why did you say you wouldn't claim anything?
2. What changed?
but like, I didnt want to claim my faction at first because I wanted y'all to work for it
and my role doesnt say anything about my alignment, since it can go both ways
I had claimed because I missread DV's statement, I thought he noticed something OoG that pointed to what my flavor was, so I wanted to remove that disconnect
If you’d read my post you’d see where I mentioned your plausible towniness in your re-evaluation of the game. But you don’t really back anything up. You move from one theory to the next, claim that people are too hard to nail down, then start scumrwading me because... I don’t have anybody nailed down. I’ll concede that you could be town, but it’s unhelpful town right now. I could see your AtE as >randtown based on how put out you were by going home so early last game, but your handling of Shin is the biggest factor for me. Once momentum built there you changed your tune, sang his mislynch praises, and still left the backdoor open by continuing to call him scummmy. Calling me out as LHF is totally fair, but I don’t see how you’re planning on justifying it. Maybe it’s just a bad week for you. I’m not trying to shade you, I’m trying to figure you out and right now you look scummy. Sorry if the “emo drowning victim” crossed a line, I was shooting for snarky/funny.
My Rhand read is tonal, I feel like after being mislynched last game townRhand would be firing on all cylinders. Maybe it’s irl time constraints, maybe it’s scum looking for a place to happen. His pop ins feel a little wolfy and his follow ups are still pending.
Shinichi is tied to you whether you like it or not. You spent so much time scum reading him, with an equal amount of reeling it back without much to either case. They haven’t brought much to the thread, some mechanics and a little defense.
HR doesn’t seem like he’s pushing an agenda. If anything, my vine on HR is that he might have an anti town side win situation. Could go either way, thus neutral.
Grape is acting like DITF Grape without the KJ clear. Not sure what that means to me as of yet.
Seriously though, you asked for a leans list. That’s where I’m at right now. I don’t think I’m 100%, maybe not even 50%. I think it’s unreasonable to expect me to be, and you’re pushing me for garbage reasons. It’s not and will continue to be a bad look.
I should vote you, shouldn't I? I just didn't take you as someone who'd rely on disgusting AtE to get out of a lynch. It could be flavor, since he was given the option of killing from two factions.
that should mean town, since you know thats what he flipped right?
Shinichi is tied to you whether you like it or not. You spent so much time scum reading him, with an equal amount of reeling it back without much to either case. They haven’t brought much to the thread, some mechanics and a little defense.
Shin is not tied to me, neither of us have to flip scum
My Rhand read is tonal, I feel like after being mislynched last game townRhand would be firing on all cylinders. Maybe it’s irl time constraints, maybe it’s scum looking for a place to happen. His pop ins feel a little wolfy and his follow ups are still pending.
talking about garbage reads, this is a garbage read
How I choose to handle my brother is up to me...
also you still arent voting anyone... hello?
and those reads are shallow as shallow can be, and dont say much of anything to me really
if anything the Grape and rhand read prove how fake your reads are
"look bad" do you think I care at this point about looking bad at this point?
lmao
Well
Last claimed one of my wincons
And if my deduction is correct rhand is claiming walder frey...
@last @shin @kj
Wanna open stark with me?
vote rhand
@everyone else
Rhand might be scum.
And we gotta kill someone anyway
I'm digging it.
With the current speed of this game I'm predicting this ending in a no lynch anyways
I'll vote Rhand if it helps secure a lynch, I think.