IDK what to think because 3.3 means that there's 1+ scum in LnGrrrR and Last but likely not both, but neither are likely scum with Rhand. So which is wrong?
Wisp is unlikely to be scum, just from his behavior alone. But why are neither likely to be scum with rhand? I've proposed a way they could have been communicating their votes. Do you think it's a possibility?
I literally said why in my post.
I'll look again and see who Rhand would have to be scum with.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I am unlikely scum with rhand, for the same reason Shadow is unlikely scum with Rhand... I don't think Rhand ever thought that I would catch him with the dummy mission, so his plan early was to manipulate how people thought of me and shadow
I don't think Killjoy is scum, wisp.
Behaviorally, neither are you.
I believe you regarding Rhand failing, which means that I am conf!town in your eyes.
This leaves Lngrr, Shadow, Rhand and Cantrip.
Now I could tunnel Shadow all day long, but I highly doubted a town cantrip would dummy shadow.
From this, all I can think is that the team is lngrr rhand and cantrip and we've been overthinking things.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
I think your case is poorly made. If it was all 'not voting' then maybe but saying that Rhand voting no is saying he'll fail but not voting is also a signal... i mean it's possible but unprovable.
Lngrr doesn't need to say he'll vote no, as Rhand already said he'd vote yes in that scenario.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying then. I thought you were sayting they werew communicating through votes.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I think your case is poorly made. If it was all 'not voting' then maybe but saying that Rhand voting no is saying he'll fail but not voting is also a signal... i mean it's possible but unprovable.
Lngrr doesn't need to say he'll vote no, as Rhand already said he'd vote yes in that scenario.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying then. I thought you were sayting they werew communicating through votes.
Yes. But in that team, once Rhand had communicated he'd say yes, Lngrr doesn't need to tell anyone what they'll vote. Simple matter of logistics.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
@Riku
yes... in my eyes you are lock town, since I have information on Rhand that proves he is scum, and since mission 4 requires two scum, and neither you or rhand were on it, it means the last two scum are always in mission 4, which in turn, makes you always town
and I agree on your read of KJ... I literally came into today super sure he was town, and then he went and did what he did, which makes no sense from a scum or town perspective, but I need to convince him that I am town... or we lose
For Rhand+Lng to be scum together there would have to be some sort of communication. I need to look for that.
The votes.
Yes = I'll pass the mission
No = I'll fail the mission
Not Voting = It doesn't matter because I'm team leader, or it doesn't matter because you've already said "yes, you'll pass the mission"
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I think so.
I'm going to wait for Lngrr to propose a team, but unless something drastically changes, I don't think any other solution works. I can wait for Shadow's opinion too.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
I don't think Killjoy is scum, wisp.
Behaviorally, neither are you.
I believe you regarding Rhand failing, which means that I am conf!town in your eyes.
This leaves Lngrr, Shadow, Rhand and Cantrip.
Now I could tunnel Shadow all day long, but I highly doubted a town cantrip would dummy shadow.
From this, all I can think is that the team is lngrr rhand and cantrip and we've been overthinking things.
So you think Cantrip is scummy... but believe him when he says he dummied shadow?
I don't think Killjoy is scum, wisp.
Behaviorally, neither are you.
I believe you regarding Rhand failing, which means that I am conf!town in your eyes.
This leaves Lngrr, Shadow, Rhand and Cantrip.
Now I could tunnel Shadow all day long, but I highly doubted a town cantrip would dummy shadow.
From this, all I can think is that the team is lngrr rhand and cantrip and we've been overthinking things.
So you think Cantrip is scummy... but believe him when he says he dummied shadow?
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It doesn't matter who he dummied as long as it's not his teammate. What a ******* dumb piece of logic.
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Wait, I think I misunderstood your claim. But Cantrip / Rhand / Shadow makes ***** all sense.
Why? Because someone voted a yes/no on mission 3.2?
And the more sensible answer is that Rhand and I mind melded on some form of communication and I decided to take him along on mission 2?
If you haven't been paying attention, I provided a method you guys could all be using to communicate. But, of course, you wouldn't care about that, would you? Why would you need to read when you're under suspicion? /s
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You're missing my point. Which is more likely? That we somehow developed a mind meld on a method of communicatin? Or that Shadow threw off a mission with a vote?
Also, on the mission Rhand proposed (3.1), both Rhand and I voted yes to it. Wouldn't that hurt your theory? (Now, I know that mission was likely to be voted approval, but still.)
Also, on the mission Rhand proposed (3.1), both Rhand and I voted yes to it. Wouldn't that hurt your theory? (Now, I know that mission was likely to be voted approval, but still.)
Not at all. Who is the third teammate that is being theorised?
Cantrip.
At the moment, I don't have time to go through everyones posts individually, but I'm going to have a good look over them tomorrow. This is why I'm pissed off you proposed a mission. I have an assignment due tonight, but not tomorrow.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
Actually, 3.2 was a mission proposed by Rhand, so never mind anyways. Still think you clinging to this idea of secret communication is absolutely ridiculous.
Sure dude, whatever. just hurry up and vote no so we can lose this game faster. It makes far more sense to come up with some inane theory, other than, I dont know, looking at the pass/fail votes and trying to analyze those.
How about you ******* read. I can't do anything until tomorrow because of an assignment.
And I had to propose a mission. *shrug* If you don't have time to read tonight, then vote no and try to buy yourself more time. The informants will probably vote no anyways, especially if my theory is correct.
How about you ******* read. I can't do anything until tomorrow because of an assignment.
And I had to propose a mission. *shrug* If you don't have time to read tonight, then vote no and try to buy yourself more time. The informants will probably vote no anyways, especially if my theory is correct.
I'm still deciding.
What makes you think Shadow is scum.
Why did you vote against me when I had the same thought.
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How about you ******* read. I can't do anything until tomorrow because of an assignment.
And I had to propose a mission. *shrug* If you don't have time to read tonight, then vote no and try to buy yourself more time. The informants will probably vote no anyways, especially if my theory is correct.
I'm still deciding.
What makes you think Shadow is scum.
Why did you vote against me when I had the same thought.
Because he has felt off to me all game. Mostly instinct, but the votes don't conflict.
And you weren't around enough, didn't have a read on you either way. Still really dont, but I can't find a way that fits you into a team with mission 4 failing. Theoretically you could be the 3rd, I guess? I would have to do brainmath.
Ok, I am nearing 72 hours I think, so I am just going to propose this so you guys can choose not to run it and we can get the losing over with faster.
Proposal 5.1: LnG, KJ, Riku, Lastwhisper, Shadow
@LW, the actual pass/fail votes are more than important than the mission yes/no. Pay more attention to that please.
u dont need to tell me twice...
@Lw, why did you accept Shadows mission proposal with Rhand in it again?
cause at the time I had no reason to believe Shadow was scum, and I really wanted to test if there was a second on there, and I was paranoid of KJ after he changed it
@Rhand: Talk to me about last Cantrip Ruma and what makes it more likely than last Cantrip KJ
I’m happy about the team composition, but I think Lng is still the most likely partner to a Cantrip/Rhand duo, which makes this not so great. Got some house work to do today but I should have some time to iso Lng this evening regardless.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
You know, I thought about it last night, and I am fine with you guys cancelling this mission, if only because it gives us more time to work this out. Thoughts?
You know, I thought about it last night, and I am fine with you guys cancelling this mission, if only because it gives us more time to work this out. Thoughts?
Just...ugh. If you’re town, why say this out loud?
If it had been me, I’d have quietly voted no and seen where the votes fell; analyzing votes here will be more difficult. Which, addnittedly, could be the goal.
@Shadow: I explained that in the post where I analysed the missions.
@KJ: I am still not sure wether it is Shadow or Riku.
If I would propose, I think I would dummy Riku at this point, but I have to do a reread before making that pick.
You know, I thought about it last night, and I am fine with you guys cancelling this mission, if only because it gives us more time to work this out. Thoughts?
I was thikning the same thing. But I also share Shadow's thoughts on the subject.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'll look again and see who Rhand would have to be scum with.
Behaviorally, neither are you.
I believe you regarding Rhand failing, which means that I am conf!town in your eyes.
This leaves Lngrr, Shadow, Rhand and Cantrip.
Now I could tunnel Shadow all day long, but I highly doubted a town cantrip would dummy shadow.
From this, all I can think is that the team is lngrr rhand and cantrip and we've been overthinking things.
Yes. But in that team, once Rhand had communicated he'd say yes, Lngrr doesn't need to tell anyone what they'll vote. Simple matter of logistics.
yes... in my eyes you are lock town, since I have information on Rhand that proves he is scum, and since mission 4 requires two scum, and neither you or rhand were on it, it means the last two scum are always in mission 4, which in turn, makes you always town
and I agree on your read of KJ... I literally came into today super sure he was town, and then he went and did what he did, which makes no sense from a scum or town perspective, but I need to convince him that I am town... or we lose
The votes.
Yes = I'll pass the mission
No = I'll fail the mission
Not Voting = It doesn't matter because I'm team leader, or it doesn't matter because you've already said "yes, you'll pass the mission"
Yeah, I thought you had that wrong.
I think so.
I'm going to wait for Lngrr to propose a team, but unless something drastically changes, I don't think any other solution works. I can wait for Shadow's opinion too.
Proposal 5.1: LnG, KJ, Riku, Lastwhisper, Shadow
@LW, the actual pass/fail votes are more than important than the mission yes/no. Pay more attention to that please.
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Yes, because I trusted Rhand more than you.
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Not what we wanted -_-
Cheers for making yourself seem scummier, lngrr...
So you think Cantrip is scummy... but believe him when he says he dummied shadow?
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Then exclude me and lose. I pretty much approved every mission that included me, except Shadow's proposed mission because I didn't trust him.
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It doesn't matter who he dummied as long as it's not his teammate. What a ******* dumb piece of logic.
Why? Because someone voted a yes/no on mission 3.2?
And the more sensible answer is that Rhand and I mind melded on some form of communication and I decided to take him along on mission 2?
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If you haven't been paying attention, I provided a method you guys could all be using to communicate. But, of course, you wouldn't care about that, would you? Why would you need to read when you're under suspicion? /s
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Not at all. Who is the third teammate that is being theorised?
Cantrip.
At the moment, I don't have time to go through everyones posts individually, but I'm going to have a good look over them tomorrow. This is why I'm pissed off you proposed a mission. I have an assignment due tonight, but not tomorrow.
Also, not sure how Cantrip fits in there.
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And I had to propose a mission. *shrug* If you don't have time to read tonight, then vote no and try to buy yourself more time. The informants will probably vote no anyways, especially if my theory is correct.
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I'm still deciding.
What makes you think Shadow is scum.
Why did you vote against me when I had the same thought.
Because he has felt off to me all game. Mostly instinct, but the votes don't conflict.
And you weren't around enough, didn't have a read on you either way. Still really dont, but I can't find a way that fits you into a team with mission 4 failing. Theoretically you could be the 3rd, I guess? I would have to do brainmath.
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Gonna look at possible wisp teams for thoroughness. *shrug*
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I trust only KJ and Lngr as leaders though. We don’t have too many chances to get this right.
@Lw, why did you accept Shadows mission proposal with Rhand in it again?
cause at the time I had no reason to believe Shadow was scum, and I really wanted to test if there was a second on there, and I was paranoid of KJ after he changed it
I think I'm gonna accept this mission
The proposal has to be Lngr, KJ, Rhand, Shadow, Riku with the dummy on Shadow or Riku.
I’m happy about the team composition, but I think Lng is still the most likely partner to a Cantrip/Rhand duo, which makes this not so great. Got some house work to do today but I should have some time to iso Lng this evening regardless.
Like I said before, I don’t think it’s wise of us to say in absolute terms whether we will yay or nay a mission ahead of time.
You have 24 hours to vote. Please vote by P.M.
Remember a hypothetical 5.5 will be automatically accepted.
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If it had been me, I’d have quietly voted no and seen where the votes fell; analyzing votes here will be more difficult. Which, addnittedly, could be the goal.
@KJ: I am still not sure wether it is Shadow or Riku.
If I would propose, I think I would dummy Riku at this point, but I have to do a reread before making that pick.