Cantrip - Feels like town Cantrip from Secret Agent, if a bit calmer. Not familiar with Cantrip's scum game. @Cantrip, do you play differently as scum if your opinion?
Cantrip's scum game is similar to his town game. (It's totally his fault.)
I'm actually okay with this at this point since I think I've narrowed it down to Cantrip + Anak with a possible side of WTFOMGBBQ:
Vote Cantripmancer
My despy target would be Cantrip if he's not lynched or Anak otherwise.
@Osie: you went for an Anak / Cantrip team first. Even with a Cantrip vote.
If you were really convinced with all your “don’t act like teammates” statements, you would at least know who you were calling scum yesterDay.
I think you’re ok with bussing your buddy toDay if that leads to my lynch toMorrow.
Sure, you + KJ is a possibility, but the fact that you voted KJ at Day start twice makes that way more unlikely than a bus on Lngr.
I'm reading through the thread and the interactions and Osie game solving from everyone's perspectives. Which thanks for those, and in my eyes the team is either KJ/Osie or Lngrrr/Rhand. Lngrr could be scum with a couple other players but I just don't see that currently, looking mainly at those other two teams.
Rhand feels very town today so far, not really interested in lynching him. Lngrr could be scum with.one of the other two but his posts with them feel pretty genuine in their back and forth about dead townies and their reads.
Reading through today with KJ/Osie in my mind, I can't shake that first page of today as just scum theater, where they had a safe back and forth with each other. Like Osie talking about cantrip as if he's alive, KJ immediately retorting with derpclear denied, everything in their interactions feels way too safe.
Rhand and Lngrrr read through the first 70 posts of today, tell me if you see what I see.
I'm reading through the thread and the interactions and Osie game solving from everyone's perspectives. Which thanks for those, and in my eyes the team is either KJ/Osie or Lngrrr/Rhand. Lngrr could be scum with a couple other players but I just don't see that currently, looking mainly at those other two teams.
Rhand feels very town today so far, not really interested in lynching him. Lngrr could be scum with.one of the other two but his posts with them feel pretty genuine in their back and forth about dead townies and their reads.
Reading through today with KJ/Osie in my mind, I can't shake that first page of today as just scum theater, where they had a safe back and forth with each other. Like Osie talking about cantrip as if he's alive, KJ immediately retorting with derpclear denied, everything in their interactions feels way too safe.
Rhand and Lngrrr read through the first 70 posts of today, tell me if you see what I see.
KJ/Osie could be a team. But then there's Rhand's point about the early votes. Also, if KJ/Osie is the team here, I always either switch my vote for the bus, and I rarely prop him up, as Rhand implied with:
I think you’re ok with bussing your buddy toDay if that leads to my lynch toMorrow.
I'm also intrigued; there's NO argument yet against a Rhand/LnGrrrR team outside of your point on their back and forth.
Can you expand on that if you solidly believe it's Osie/Killjoy over Rhand/LnGrrrR?
If you were really convinced with all your “don’t act like teammates” statements, you would at least know who you were calling scum yesterDay.
IN DAY 2.
I've regularly qualified that KJ/LnGrrrR, KJ/Osie, and Osie/LnGrrrR don't act like teammates IN DAY 2.
Anak's mention of thinking that there might be scum theatre is the first instance of anyone giving reasoning otherwise as far as Day 2 interactions go.
If you were really convinced with all your “don’t act like teammates” statements, you would at least know who you were calling scum yesterDay.
IN DAY 2.
I've regularly qualified that KJ/LnGrrrR, KJ/Osie, and Osie/LnGrrrR don't act like teammates IN DAY 2.
Anak's mention of thinking that there might be scum theatre is the first instance of anyone giving reasoning otherwise as far as Day 2 interactions go.
Outside of maybe your argument on Osie/LnGrrrR, but that's a dubious one, especially considering that you couldn't even get post numbers correct, and I'm still never the lynch before LnGrrrR at that point.
Also, LnGrrrR hasn't interacted with Rhand at all D2, and Rhand has only interacted with LnGrrrR in so much as asking him to claim, linking him to me, and adding him in on a question to me.
Also, LnGrrrR hasn't interacted with Rhand at all D2, and Rhand has only interacted with LnGrrrR in so much as asking him to claim, linking him to me, and adding him in on a question to me.
Whereas for comparison, Killjoy and myself have each interacted with each of the other three non-confirmed players a moderate to large amount.
Also, LnGrrrR hasn't interacted with Rhand at all D2, and Rhand has only interacted with LnGrrrR in so much as asking him to claim, linking him to me, and adding him in on a question to me.
Whereas for comparison, Killjoy and myself have each interacted with each of the other three non-confirmed players a moderate to large amount.
@Anak: I was going to say that Osie/KJ is my tinfoil team, but this post makes me think you might be right.
Osie defending KJ like this means he went all in on his chosen scumteam of Rhand/Lngr.
He can still be scum with Lngr even with this though if his choice was to sacrifice his teammate for an auto-win toMorrow.
But I’m convinced Osie does know KJ’s alignment at least and is scum.
I think our best play is to lynch Osie toDay an re-evaluate toMorrow if it’s KJ or Lngr.
Hm. This game sense like it'll get interesting. I'm not voting anyone but Lngrrr today because he's guaranteed to be scum. He just can't not be. The only other viable team is Rhand/Osie and they'd have won by now by hammering me.
As for his partner, I'm leaning actually towards Osie and away from Rhand. Osie's been really... manipulative today. I really don't like it.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
That means thief / doc is a mafia or discarded token.
In case KJ is scum, why would he not just claim doc rather than stolen baker? That makes no sense to me.
Especially if he’s scum with Osie: they could keep the thief hidden and use him to prevent Lngr from motivating anyone toNight.
Unless the token was discarded, in which case KJ could just give bread or claim doc.
I think I’ve looked at it from all angles now. vote Osie
And toMorrow Lngr unless he proves his motivator claim.
Lngr should wifom between motivating Anak and me.
If he motivates me, I can watch Anak.
If he motivates Anak, he can cop KJ.
If he doesn’t motivate, he’s scum.
That makes it hard for scum to choose the right kill and should solve the game.
Lngrr has the only action toNight if he’s town and he should not announce who he uses it on, so I’m ok with ending the Day.
I know what to do if motivated and so do you.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@KJ: that’s the world through your eyes. I think you’re right, but he claimed a role that is provable by mechanics.
I should’ve thought about this yesterDay, but it actually makes total sense that Osie wanted the motivator not to act N1 when that role is what his buddy was going to claim.
I think Osie/Lngr is the solution, but I feel more comfortable lynching Osie first and have another Night of mechanics.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Anak: Who do you think is my buddy? LnGrrrR? Rhand agrees with you. Killjoy? LnGrrrR agrees with you and I promise you Rhand will vote there. I have no intention of voting for Killjoy since he's probably town, but I will keep my vote on LnGrrrR. I'm out for the night. I probably won't be on for another 15 hours. Feel free to lynch LnGrrrR in that time. Or not. Up to you if you still want a chance to win this game.
Current worlds for you are Osie/me, Osie/Lngrrr, Lngrrr/me. You've said you don't think I'm scum. Can I assume that means you think Osie/Lngrrr is most likely?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
If I'm scum with Killjoy, why doesn't one of us just try to lynch the other at this point, and the other one just give up? It comes out better for the win for the team.
If I'm scum with LnGrrrR, why doesn't he just give up and let himself be lynched a long time ago, or why doesn't he just vote me so I can give up?
It's a play that people have said is likely to clear. It's a play that I would have thought of in either case, and probably Killjoy or LnGrrrR as well. There's no reason for those people to go for the risky 3/2 win when a 2/1 win is just as good of a win.
Rhand and LnGrrrR are the team which is cross-pushing. LnGrrrR on Rhand and Killjoy, Rhand on LnGrrrR and Osie.
@KJ: yes. I think Osie/Lngr is the most likely team.
I’m sure Osie is scum and have a bit of doubt about Lngr.
Osie is for me what Lngr is for you
@Osie: why wouldn’t Lngr have given up if I were scum with him? Why does that logic only apply to teams with you in it?
And if you’re taking the wine-route anyway: why would I as scum claim a watch shot without result in lylo?
You and KJ are not pushing the same team. You are on Lngr/Rhand while KJ is on Lngr/?, leaning Lngr/Osie.
@Osie: why wouldn’t Lngr have given up if I were scum with him? Why does that logic only apply to teams with you in it?
And if you’re taking the wine-route anyway: why would I as scum claim a watch shot without result in lylo?
You and KJ are not pushing the same team. You are on Lngr/Rhand while KJ is on Lngr/?, leaning Lngr/Osie.
No idea why you two haven't gone for each other first other than wine. Honestly, once I started celebrating figuring out the team early Day 1, I kinda checked out for a bit.
Watch shot? What a useless question.
KJ and I WERE both on LnGrrrR/Rhand. Though it's possible that you've won the pocketing game.
Shadow could still have lied about his target, and Anak's reads are SO wrong here that I'm starting to doubt his alignment.
I'mma put Anak back on the table with LnGrrrR for now. (Possible but less likely with Rhand because of the hammer potential.) LnGrrrR there's still a higher chance that he hasn't noticed Rhand's vote on me, and that Anak realized that LnGrrrR wasn't online. I still think Rhand+LnGrrrR is the most likely team, with a swap during the day phase from LnGrrrR as the powerwolf and Rhand as the limp noodle to Rhand as the powerwolf and LnGrrrR as the limp noodle.
Killjoy is the most behaviorally town player.
So possible teams for me in order of likelihood:
Rhand+LnGrrrR - VERY likely
Anak+LnGrrrR - Possible
Anak+Rhand - Moderately Unlikely
Killjoy+LnGrrrR - Unlikely
Killjoy+Rhand - VERY unlikely
KJ derped a lot early game, forgetting that scum have a NK, forgetting how the vigs work, etc etc. Could be NAI, just feels weird coming from KJ.
@KJ, you talked about how you think you understood Rhand's process better now. What do you think of that statement now? Do you think it still holds true, and if so, how?
lol KJ calling out Shadow and Cantrip for being scummy early
"Dead townies don't matter" argument
And... that's pretty much it. There's not a ton in there because KJ doesn't really dig his teeth in much, but that "Dead townies don't matter" thing still pushes my buttons.
Something just dawned on me.
With the hammer opportunities (and disregarding Anak lol), there are only 3 possible teams left:
Osie/Lngr
Osie/KJ
Rhand/Lngr
Which means from Lngr’s POV, there’s only one: Osie/KJ.
So @Lngr: why are you rereading me?
The above is Anak’s POV.
Osie’s is Rhand/Lngr
KJ’s is Lngr scum with Osie or Rhand
Mine is Osie scum with Lngr or KJ
With Lngr pushing KJ and now putting me before Osie in his rereads, I’m totally convinced it’s Osie/Lngr.
LngrrR: Given my scumread of him earlier, I'm gonna say no. Apperently my Rhanddar is still as flawed as ever.
Rhand: I was gonna say Osie isn't your LnGrrR because there's a possibilty outside that (Me/LnGrrR) But it sounds like you're coming around to LngrrR being for sure scum finally.
So can we lynch him please? Anak? Any reservations there?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Something just dawned on me.
With the hammer opportunities (and disregarding Anak lol), there are only 3 possible teams left:
Osie/Lngr
Osie/KJ
Rhand/Lngr
Which means from Lngr’s POV, there’s only one: Osie/KJ.
So @Lngr: why are you rereading me?
The above is Anak’s POV.
Osie’s is Rhand/Lngr
KJ’s is Lngr scum with Osie or Rhand
Mine is Osie scum with Lngr or KJ
With Lngr pushing KJ and now putting me before Osie in his rereads, I’m totally convinced it’s Osie/Lngr.
So you have mechanical reasons to lynch LnGrrrR first, but you're still going for your behavioral reasons on me.
KJ not voting for the confirmed scum in his world is a thing I should have noticed earlier and didn't. Why are you waiting? Something to remember for tomorrow potentially.
Lngrrr focusing and rereading rhand makes zero sense either as stated above. Why can't either of you act like townies here?
Rhand is town, locking that in and conceding if I am wrong. He could only be scum with lngrrr and his play today and in general has been too consistently from a town perspective to be fake.
That leaves three, and Osie claiming Miller is more likely to come from scum than town. (He's either Miller, or him or his buddy is framer, or that token was not used and as such that team knows it's a safe false claim). Also re evaluating my alignment because of my reads makes no sense, the quality of them has no bearing on what shadow did yesterday and is only serving to try and discredit me.
We could beat about the bush on this forever, it's time to take a stand. Vote Osie
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Dang. Good game, everyone. Especially Rhand and LnG; the two of you played REALLY well D1 and (obviously) well enough D2.
@Anak: Don't feel bad. I was very much suspecting Osie when I died, and I certainly can't say that I wouldn't have made the same choice in your shoes.
@Shadow: Glad I correctly read your alignment. Sad that you died via Despy despite me correctly guarding you.
@Osie: I'm...not sure that I agree that claiming miller was the right play, but I completely understand why you did it. I think I'd be too leery of the claim vig, even if the possibility is small, as the possibility of getting copped is likewise also small.
@KJ: Good job figuring out the gamestate. Sorry you couldn't get anyone to listen to you.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Whew. At one point when KJ was onto us both, I thought we lost.
Before toDay I didn’t even think it was possible to mislynch Osie.
@KJ: If we would’ve lynched Lngr toDay and you would’ve been up against me / Osie toDay, who would you have lynched?
(my plan in case of a Lngr lynch was to NK KillJoy)
@Osie: you went for an Anak / Cantrip team first. Even with a Cantrip vote.
If you were really convinced with all your “don’t act like teammates” statements, you would at least know who you were calling scum yesterDay.
I think you’re ok with bussing your buddy toDay if that leads to my lynch toMorrow.
Sure, you + KJ is a possibility, but the fact that you voted KJ at Day start twice makes that way more unlikely than a bus on Lngr.
Rhand feels very town today so far, not really interested in lynching him. Lngrr could be scum with.one of the other two but his posts with them feel pretty genuine in their back and forth about dead townies and their reads.
Reading through today with KJ/Osie in my mind, I can't shake that first page of today as just scum theater, where they had a safe back and forth with each other. Like Osie talking about cantrip as if he's alive, KJ immediately retorting with derpclear denied, everything in their interactions feels way too safe.
Rhand and Lngrrr read through the first 70 posts of today, tell me if you see what I see.
KJ/Osie could be a team. But then there's Rhand's point about the early votes. Also, if KJ/Osie is the team here, I always either switch my vote for the bus, and I rarely prop him up, as Rhand implied with:
I'm also intrigued; there's NO argument yet against a Rhand/LnGrrrR team outside of your point on their back and forth.
Can you expand on that if you solidly believe it's Osie/Killjoy over Rhand/LnGrrrR?
IN DAY 2.
I've regularly qualified that KJ/LnGrrrR, KJ/Osie, and Osie/LnGrrrR don't act like teammates IN DAY 2.
Anak's mention of thinking that there might be scum theatre is the first instance of anyone giving reasoning otherwise as far as Day 2 interactions go.
Outside of maybe your argument on Osie/LnGrrrR, but that's a dubious one, especially considering that you couldn't even get post numbers correct, and I'm still never the lynch before LnGrrrR at that point.
Also, LnGrrrR hasn't interacted with Rhand at all D2, and Rhand has only interacted with LnGrrrR in so much as asking him to claim, linking him to me, and adding him in on a question to me.
Whereas for comparison, Killjoy and myself have each interacted with each of the other three non-confirmed players a moderate to large amount.
@Anak: I was going to say that Osie/KJ is my tinfoil team, but this post makes me think you might be right.
Osie defending KJ like this means he went all in on his chosen scumteam of Rhand/Lngr.
He can still be scum with Lngr even with this though if his choice was to sacrifice his teammate for an auto-win toMorrow.
But I’m convinced Osie does know KJ’s alignment at least and is scum.
I think our best play is to lynch Osie toDay an re-evaluate toMorrow if it’s KJ or Lngr.
As for his partner, I'm leaning actually towards Osie and away from Rhand. Osie's been really... manipulative today. I really don't like it.
Also I just had a thought. Brb.
...
Anyways...
@Killjoy: I've been very confident today. Manipulative, not so much.
Shadow: Desperado (no claim vig)
Cantrip: bodyguard (no godfather)
Anak: alignment cop (no strongman)
Rhand: watcher
Osie: claimed miller (framer)
Lngr: claimed motivator - unused (roleblocker)
KJ: claimed baker - stolen
Unclaimed: thief / doc
That means thief / doc is a mafia or discarded token.
In case KJ is scum, why would he not just claim doc rather than stolen baker? That makes no sense to me.
Especially if he’s scum with Osie: they could keep the thief hidden and use him to prevent Lngr from motivating anyone toNight.
Unless the token was discarded, in which case KJ could just give bread or claim doc.
I think I’ve looked at it from all angles now.
vote Osie
And toMorrow Lngr unless he proves his motivator claim.
If he motivates me, I can watch Anak.
If he motivates Anak, he can cop KJ.
If he doesn’t motivate, he’s scum.
That makes it hard for scum to choose the right kill and should solve the game.
Is everyone ready to end today? Seems like discussion is tailing off a bit but not sure if people want to talk night actions a bit
I know what to do if motivated and so do you.
Anak, you need to figure out for sure who you think is scum. I'm not sure if it's Osie or Rhand but that's 50/50.
I'm willing to talk more but I've talked enough with Lngrrr I think. My case got made. His hasn't yet. I wanna see it. I think that'll show he's scum.
I should’ve thought about this yesterDay, but it actually makes total sense that Osie wanted the motivator not to act N1 when that role is what his buddy was going to claim.
I think Osie/Lngr is the solution, but I feel more comfortable lynching Osie first and have another Night of mechanics.
At least you haven’t jumped on Osie now, which means it’s probably not Lngr/you.
Vote LnGrrrR today and Rhand can push his mislynch on me tomorrow.
The only night action according to claims is LnGrrrR's false claim of motivator.
Current worlds for you are Osie/me, Osie/Lngrrr, Lngrrr/me. You've said you don't think I'm scum. Can I assume that means you think Osie/Lngrrr is most likely?
If I'm scum with Killjoy, why doesn't one of us just try to lynch the other at this point, and the other one just give up? It comes out better for the win for the team.
If I'm scum with LnGrrrR, why doesn't he just give up and let himself be lynched a long time ago, or why doesn't he just vote me so I can give up?
It's a play that people have said is likely to clear. It's a play that I would have thought of in either case, and probably Killjoy or LnGrrrR as well. There's no reason for those people to go for the risky 3/2 win when a 2/1 win is just as good of a win.
Rhand and LnGrrrR are the team which is cross-pushing. LnGrrrR on Rhand and Killjoy, Rhand on LnGrrrR and Osie.
Votecount:
lngrr (1): osi
kj (1): lngrr
Osi (1): rhand
Not voting (2): anak, kj
5 alive, 3 to lynch
I’m sure Osie is scum and have a bit of doubt about Lngr.
Osie is for me what Lngr is for you
@Osie: why wouldn’t Lngr have given up if I were scum with him? Why does that logic only apply to teams with you in it?
And if you’re taking the wine-route anyway: why would I as scum claim a watch shot without result in lylo?
You and KJ are not pushing the same team. You are on Lngr/Rhand while KJ is on Lngr/?, leaning Lngr/Osie.
No idea why you two haven't gone for each other first other than wine. Honestly, once I started celebrating figuring out the team early Day 1, I kinda checked out for a bit.
Watch shot? What a useless question.
KJ and I WERE both on LnGrrrR/Rhand. Though it's possible that you've won the pocketing game.
Shadow could still have lied about his target, and Anak's reads are SO wrong here that I'm starting to doubt his alignment.
I'mma put Anak back on the table with LnGrrrR for now. (Possible but less likely with Rhand because of the hammer potential.) LnGrrrR there's still a higher chance that he hasn't noticed Rhand's vote on me, and that Anak realized that LnGrrrR wasn't online. I still think Rhand+LnGrrrR is the most likely team, with a swap during the day phase from LnGrrrR as the powerwolf and Rhand as the limp noodle to Rhand as the powerwolf and LnGrrrR as the limp noodle.
Killjoy is the most behaviorally town player.
So possible teams for me in order of likelihood:
Rhand+LnGrrrR - VERY likely
Anak+LnGrrrR - Possible
Anak+Rhand - Moderately Unlikely
Killjoy+LnGrrrR - Unlikely
Killjoy+Rhand - VERY unlikely
Why would Shadow ever lie about his target? He’s the one that came up with the idea in the first place.
KJ derped a lot early game, forgetting that scum have a NK, forgetting how the vigs work, etc etc. Could be NAI, just feels weird coming from KJ.
@KJ, you talked about how you think you understood Rhand's process better now. What do you think of that statement now? Do you think it still holds true, and if so, how?
lol KJ calling out Shadow and Cantrip for being scummy early
"Dead townies don't matter" argument
And... that's pretty much it. There's not a ton in there because KJ doesn't really dig his teeth in much, but that "Dead townies don't matter" thing still pushes my buttons.
Rhand reread coming next.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Maybe I'm wrong, if so I will be the first to say as such in the post game.
With the hammer opportunities (and disregarding Anak lol), there are only 3 possible teams left:
Osie/Lngr
Osie/KJ
Rhand/Lngr
Which means from Lngr’s POV, there’s only one: Osie/KJ.
So @Lngr: why are you rereading me?
The above is Anak’s POV.
Osie’s is Rhand/Lngr
KJ’s is Lngr scum with Osie or Rhand
Mine is Osie scum with Lngr or KJ
With Lngr pushing KJ and now putting me before Osie in his rereads, I’m totally convinced it’s Osie/Lngr.
Rhand: I was gonna say Osie isn't your LnGrrR because there's a possibilty outside that (Me/LnGrrR) But it sounds like you're coming around to LngrrR being for sure scum finally.
So can we lynch him please? Anak? Any reservations there?
Anyways, I don’t really care if we lynch Osie or Lngr. I’m convinced they are the team. Anak can make his pick
Waiting on Anak I guess.
So you have mechanical reasons to lynch LnGrrrR first, but you're still going for your behavioral reasons on me.
Lngrrr focusing and rereading rhand makes zero sense either as stated above. Why can't either of you act like townies here?
Rhand is town, locking that in and conceding if I am wrong. He could only be scum with lngrrr and his play today and in general has been too consistently from a town perspective to be fake.
That leaves three, and Osie claiming Miller is more likely to come from scum than town. (He's either Miller, or him or his buddy is framer, or that token was not used and as such that team knows it's a safe false claim). Also re evaluating my alignment because of my reads makes no sense, the quality of them has no bearing on what shadow did yesterday and is only serving to try and discredit me.
We could beat about the bush on this forever, it's time to take a stand. Vote Osie
Vote osie
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Osi (3): rhand, anak, lngrr
lngrr (1): osi
Not voting (1): kj
Osi has been lynched
He was:
The mafia team of rhand and lngrr has won
Postgame starts now
@Anak: Don't feel bad. I was very much suspecting Osie when I died, and I certainly can't say that I wouldn't have made the same choice in your shoes.
@Shadow: Glad I correctly read your alignment. Sad that you died via Despy despite me correctly guarding you.
@Osie: I'm...not sure that I agree that claiming miller was the right play, but I completely understand why you did it. I think I'd be too leery of the claim vig, even if the possibility is small, as the possibility of getting copped is likewise also small.
@KJ: Good job figuring out the gamestate. Sorry you couldn't get anyone to listen to you.
Thanks, Tom. This was fun. Loved the gifs.
Osie, you get full credit for calling us out.
Anak, sorry you picked the wrong one. No hard feelings?
Finally, any tips on how to play scum better, I am all ears.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Good questions by Rhand though. I had a whole thing on that's ISO pointing more to Lngrrr than Osie.
I do think I would have don't the same in osies shoes.
I'm gonna go investigate who stopped my delicious bread AGAIN and get back in here.
Before toDay I didn’t even think it was possible to mislynch Osie.
@KJ: If we would’ve lynched Lngr toDay and you would’ve been up against me / Osie toDay, who would you have lynched?
(my plan in case of a Lngr lynch was to NK KillJoy)