Also I can't call out a scummiest post. All my posts are scummy usually regardless of alignment. I make scummy posts as town cause I don't really put a filter on my thoughts.
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@DV: you’ve had several tongue in cheek “I’m scum” moments (“I would just no kill again”, etc). Do you recall doing that in any previous games as town? Can you find one perhaps?
While I have you, if you were osie’s Buddy, how would you have responded to his gimmick differently than how you did in your first post?
Probably not as hard as I started. I'm not really in the business of policy lynching my buddy especially when I'll get nearly no cred for it. You modded prison block mafia. You should know how I bus my buddies given than my bus kept terry alive till LyLo.
Also the recently ended secret agent where I bussed GJ just for form.
I mean, I'd care a lot less about how annoying something is if it's done by my buddy. That's also why I thought hr was scum.
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@DV: you’ve had several tongue in cheek “I’m scum” moments (“I would just no kill again”, etc). Do you recall doing that in any previous games as town? Can you find one perhaps?
Not sure. As I've shown my memory of games isn't the best sometimes.
Ghostbusters maybe? I talked a lot about that Rhand kill when it happened and how it didn't make sense from my game perspective because I was one of the only people town reading Rhand.
I hate you for not having that go to the post so I can remember instantly for your other question.
@DV: wine and picking the player you don’t expect to mislynch anyway is all I can think of at the present. Why do you want to kill me?
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That's not what that was supposed to say AT ALL. I'm going to blame me alt tabbing to type this will playing R6 and that just coming out because I was talking to someone while playing.
That's supposed to say clear shadow for silly reasons.
I guess me wanting to kill you right now would be silly too though.
The fact that you can't come up with any other reason to elect Bur seems town to me. Is this out of your scum range? No, but IDK its just too much hoops to jump through to come to the conclusion of "Let's play dumb in a way that is really silly."
Reread the game, want to kill HR and not actually talk more about things I saw in case that’s wrong. I feel like the more I let on how I feel about people, the more informed the scum kill will be. Want a couple questions answered, then ready to end the day.
HR: do you have any wholistic thoughts on the game that might be helpful?
DV: what was the silly reason you wanted to clear me?
Vez: can you give some detail to why you were getting scum vibes from me?
What my reason was, which I had already given and I simply repeated. So I asked you out of curiosity if you felt like your scum would be more exact or not. I've got some feelings on paying attention not paying attention being a minor scum tell in some scenarios.
Anyways, you gave me a sufficient answer so I dropped it.
I didn’t link cause multiquoting on mobile is a pain, and I copy/pasted it directly from your iso. Did you see my question about a post you find scummy from yourself?
Ugh, so here’s where I’m at. I think there are really good reasons to townread both of you. And I think there are some indicators for why either of you could be pulling the wool over my eyes. So I’m just gonna flip a coin and vote.
Oh man I'm doing a really terrible job of explaining things lets try and rectify that.
This was supposed to say.
I want to kill Shadow for the silly reasons.
This
I want to clear Shadow for the silly reasons.
I'd lynch Osie in a hot minute, I'm also not talking to Osie, because if we ALL ignore Osie. Osie will eventually have to drop the gimick.
This post where I shade Osie call for his lynch and at the same time simultaneously say that we shouldn't touch Osie. Its like looking for town cred, while not actually saying much.
My thought was trying to play tough guy and make Osie stop meme posting. I like memes, but not the way Osie was doing it. Well, I liked when he started doing poor MS paint memes, I liked that part. Sound clouds and drunk thing I wasn't a big fan of.
From my point of view DV's hammer was either accidental or intentionally seeming accidental. Both of those don't require communication and produce the same effect. Pre-game chat is a must regardless of the king mechanic so I'd imagine they had at least a message.
Even so it's also possible that osie simply thought that it's cool to troll and dv went along with it.
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Alright. I’ve read, and read again. And again. I’ve looked at things from basically every angle, I’ve examined things that I think don’t come from scum, and things I think do.
Can I get a closing post from both of you before I decide my vote?
I haven’t pushed you, only threatened to lynch you to get you to do things, different.
Your inability to see that, and calling me scum for it is making me more likely to push you though.
Sincerely Shadow.Vez, that’s a pretty weak sauce response to pressure. What do you think of the people who think you’re scum?
DV is just climbing the town ladder even though he is attacking me. Osie is osie and I'm not sure what to make of the gimmick. It's just a bit +scum as I feel osie isn't confident with his scum ability and trying to make it harder for the town to read him.
Grape is gut scum, but I'm waiting for more.
You (shadow) are still pretty much null cause you're shadow and HR is MIA.
I think Osie is more likely town currently. I will disregard that and lynch him anyway I’d he chooses to continue posting in the form of audio clips. I’m here for text Mafia, and I don’t particularly care to go back and listen to a clip every time I want to reference his iso.
King Shadow sat upon his throne, tossing question after question at the two lesser kings in front of him. One of them was a traitor to the crown. One of them a loyal subject and colleague. Finally, without much fanfare, King Shadow announced that he had made a decision. He pulled his sword from its scabbard, and, deliberately turning his back on vezokpiraka, plunged the blade through D_V's chest. Even in that decisive moment, King Shadow felt a flicker of doubt. Had he made the right choice?
D_V was King Nebuchadnezzar II Budweiser, the King of Beers Red King Crab
King Shadow, aka shadowlancer, aka Amir Timur, aka Tamerlane the Sacramento Kings King Cobra and vezokpiraka, aka King Louis XIV of France The King of Queens King Vulture have proven to both be King Solomons (Solomen?) and survived to endgame. Town have won.
King Shadow slithered off his throne and approached the crab known as D_V and the vulture known as vezokpiraka. "Ssssssssay, ssssince you've both proven ssssneaky and sssslimy, perhaps each of you could sssshow me postssss that demonssssstrate your ssssinnissster sidessss but demonsssstrate how they were town? No actually, I jusssst think D_V'sssss sssssscum."
Vezok ruffled his feathers in anticipation of a feeding frenzy.
"Sssslow your roll, King Snake," said D_V. "Just because I'm a little crabby doesn't mean I'm rotten underneath this carapace!"
But it was too late. The cobra's fangs sliced through D_V's shell and delivered a fatal amount of venom.
Damn. Good job shadow. I really don't know how to play these situatioms and I just tried to help.you as much as I could. I'm proud that I managed to change your mind.
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So wait... The reason I thought D_V was the least likely suspect was the length of time that lapsed between shadowlancerx voting and D_V hammering. What was the mafia plan if Bur or I had hammervoted him?
Also question to Cantrip: how many of these king names did you have in stock?
Damn. Good job shadow. I really don't know how to play these situatioms and I just tried to help.you as much as I could. I'm proud that I managed to change your mind.
Edit: can we get a spec chat?
Also question to Cantrip: how many of these king names did you have in stock?
Oh, I didn't have to worry about running out. I could've gone with famous people (BB King, Billie Jean King, Stephen King, MLK Jr) or game pieces (Chess King, Checker King, the King in draughts) or...well, really it's Kings all the way down.
I decide on PRs before alignment. I had decided I was going to switch between PRs on some regular basis with trend towards artistry. The first two styles were thought out, the third style was a backup idea that I had thought I would use later.
Post 7/9: Drunken "We don't have a cop so we should lynch Shadow Day 1. Hi everyone. Let's have a great game! Love you all!"
Post 12: Stilted (Sophisticated?) "Of course I'd record myself. And Bur has high mislynch equity that he could otherwise use to his advantage."
Post 20: Falsetto "I'm not drunk. How's it going, Shadow?"
Post 21: Laughing Bass "I've drunkpost in roughly 2-3 games."
Post 22: Cringy Nasal Falsetto "I'm so confused about Shadow trying to metaread me."
Post 25: (Blowing a Raspberry)
Post 26: Old "What's your experience with Highroller? Also, why DV?"
Post 32: Singing Flamboyant "Can't stop, won't stop. Grapefruit, what's your experience with DV and Highroller?"
Post 33: Mustache & Monacle "Back to your old self, DV? This sounds more like old you. I like it."
Post 35: Overly-Casual Singing "Trying to figure out if Shadow's pushing a mislynch or not. I think he is. My RVS vote is now serious."
Post 36: Shakespeare's Knight "I chose this gimmick in pre-game."
Post 39: Southern "I'm Alexander the Great. Nice to finally play with you, Highroller."
Post 44: Nasal "Tamerlane or Amir Timur?"
PR Switch - Images:
Post 50: Readlist, Daychat Gambit
Post 60 (Re: 51, 52, 55, 56) Shadow vote is 50% RVS and 50% Serious. DV is a meaniepants. Reasoning for Shadow vote. Grape hasn't been pushing me.
Post 66 (Re: 61) Policy Lynches are gamethrowing. Lots of scum equity for Shadow.
Post 81 (Re: 64) All I was saying was that you weren't pushing me.
Post 82 (Re: 70) Reads Reasoning.
PR Switch - Drunken Posts:
Post 101: "Sleeping through the PR change was a good idea. I think your ATE is pretty bad but I think you've done similar in a game so I don't know if it's scummy or not, but it's definitely bad enough that Shadow can wait until day 2 even if I still want to see him lynched. You can die, scum. Vote: Vezok"
Post 104: "ur rong."
Post 105: "Or just scum. I think it's you and Vez and you're trying to pull the wagon off of Vez to me."
Post 110: "Shadow might be town for this tunnel; it seems a bit strong for scum Shadow."
Post 111: "Can't he speak for himself or did he tell you he was busy?"
I was not expecting that gamethrow/lynch with the timing that it happened (Seriously, if you're going to policy lynch, you might as well just roll a die every time instead of playing the game. It's gamethrowing and bad sportsmanship. I don't mind that I got lynched as scum but I wish it was for real reasons), but I eventually resigned myself to that and, in the end, shrugged and figured DV could get some town equity off of my lynch.
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Other than slips, I think I'd never kill the king unless they hard suspected me.
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I am not sure that my thought to have the two mafia members interact with as little serious thought as possible in pre-game actually made sense. I think it helped a bit, but in the long run it might have been better to try to plan out the game between the two of us. Of course, that might have been more likely to get us caught.
Normally I wouldn't policy vote someone, but your first restriction made it actually impossible for me to interact meaningfully with you while at work. Which is where I do most of my mafia playing. If it had continued I would have sent an official complaint. Eventually I actually sorted of suspected you but then things got away from me and the day ended.
I normally am okay with posting restrictions but that one was a bridge too far for me personally.
I strongly disagree with the sentiment of policy lynch being the same as gamethrowing, I absolutely played to win, but I will play to make games better if I have to, and your PRs made the game less playable, and I didn’t want to go into any sort of LyLo where I had to try and both understand and sort you. There is a line where it works, and one where it doesn’t, and telling me that having that line is akin to throwing is just wrong.
I strongly disagree with the sentiment of policy lynch being the same as gamethrowing, I absolutely played to win, but I will play to make games better if I have to, and your PRs made the game less playable, and I didn’t want to go into any sort of LyLo where I had to try and both understand and sort you. There is a line where it works, and one where it doesn’t, and telling me that having that line is akin to throwing is just wrong.
But is it really your responsibility? If it's causing a problem for game health then bring it to the mod, no? Lynching is using game mechanics to solve a problem that they aren't meant to solve.
Actually wanted to ask you guys why you went with the "make Bur king and never kill him" strategy rather than the "make a strong player king and kill them each night" one. I guess as long as Bur is king you can just keep killing a strong player anyway and it sort of neutralized the double vote, but was there another reason?
Actually wanted to ask you guys why you went with the "make Bur king and never kill him" strategy rather than the "make a strong player king and kill them each night" one. I guess as long as Bur is king you can just keep killing a strong player anyway and it sort of neutralized the double vote, but was there another reason?
I personally think that the better scum strat this game is to minimize killing the king in general. I think killing the King each night keeps the options a little too low. But I could be wrong there.
I don't think you can run a deliberately obnoxious, obfuscating, self-indulgent, self-imposed posting restriction and then complain (about sportsmanship!) when you get lynched for it. There's a really easy way of not getting polcy lynched and that's to play the game properly and consider the other players' enjoyment as well as your own.
Policy lynching require half the players to agree that the game would be better without the lynchee. It stops being the voters fault and becomes the fault of the one getting voted. We also told you to stop. I also don't like policy lynching, but when that's the only option, you use it.
I also don't agree with the mod intervening. You didn't break any mafia rule. It was just that you were so annoying that I'd rather waste a lynch so I know you stop posting than actually keep seeing your posts.
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Actually wanted to ask you guys why you went with the "make Bur king and never kill him" strategy rather than the "make a strong player king and kill them each night" one. I guess as long as Bur is king you can just keep killing a strong player anyway and it sort of neutralized the double vote, but was there another reason?
I had a feeling Bur wouldn't do anything, Spoiler He didn't do anything.
Policy lynching require half the players to agree that the game would be better without the lynchee. It stops being the voters fault and becomes the fault of the one getting voted. We also told you to stop. I also don't like policy lynching, but when that's the only option, you use it.
I also don't agree with the mod intervening. You didn't break any mafia rule. It was just that you were so annoying that I'd rather waste a lynch so I know you stop posting than actually keep seeing your posts.
Okay "No matter what, if at least half the players vote that a player should be modkilled, whether or not they would actually want to see that player lynched, then they should be modkilled." Sounds like a plan going forward. No it doesn't. That's a miserable rule. You might as well get rid of the host entirely at that point and waste the game having the players argue all the time and then each player can get voted out purely based on how toxic they are. Oh wait, a lot of our games are devolving into that anyways. I'd never implement that. I absolutely can and would include lynching for reasons outside of your win condition, aka policy lynching, under game throwing in things for which I'd modkill.
You know, having already read what Voxxicus had to say about posting restrictions in the spider game, this just sounds like a less reasoned version of that.
Honestly, most complaints about post restrictions just ring as "Wahh, wahh, I can't metaread as well." At which point you might as well just ban multis and require everyone to post their previous games in their first post each game to facilitate metareads or eat a "community modkill". If site growth is slow, maybe pushing away anything that differs from some "ideal" of site meta doesn't help...
Besides, this is literally the only game as far as I can remember at least that I've seen in 2 years of playing here in which a player has been lynched because most of the players on the wagon were not playing to their win conditions. Good luck on the argument that my posting style this game was somehow more obnoxious than EVERY SINGLE posting restriction ever before, or at least in the past two years.
I absolutely don't think it would be appropriate to modkill people for policy lynching. It isn't game throwing to use the lynch to remove a player who is intentionally making it difficult or impossible to read them by using a self-imposed posting restriction, particularly one like SoundCloud linking or playing pictograms.
If anything, the player using the post restriction is playing against their own wincon as both alignments, particularly when a bunch of the players have told them they will policy lynch them if they don't stop.
It isn't at all about making meta reads "easier", some of these post restrictions make posts either entirely incomprehensible or inaccessible. If someone is trying to dodge meta reads because their meta makes the game unfun for them (which, honestly, should only apply to a few players who warp games around themselves, like Voxxicus, due to their reputation) a much better option would be playing as a gimmick or actually adapting their meta to make it harder to read.
Edit: I won't pretend that I remember every post restriction from the last two years, but I have read 99% of games and the only one I remember that comes close to the ones used here was tom's spider... besides the serial killer cat Cythare in Star Trek Myriad Universes IV, which was mod imposed.
I argue that your posting was game throwing more than the policy lynch would ever be.
You can argue all you want, but at the end of the day more people agreed that your posting was insuferrable and that you deserves to be lynched for it.
You also can't ban policy lynches. It's a concept with undefined borders. Couple that with the fact that my vote started as a policy vote yet I also started to scum read you for your dumb posting.
I've also seen this argument time and time again from people who got policy lynched. Change your behaviour instead of trying to change others.
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As a host, if several players approached me saying that the game was not enjoyable for them with a certain player posting as they were, I would go to that player and bring it up with them. I would expect that instead of people destroying game sanctity by taking modkills into their own hands.
Besides, I can easily extend the hard-to-read argument to its logical conclusion and it's not pretty. If someone legitimately has difficulty with English such that their posts were similarly hard to read to the drunken style, but the players could not tell, "Oh well, it's a policy lynch." If someone is from another community and they aren't used to claiming their role, "Oh well, it's a policy lynch." And so on. You might as well be openly rejecting of anyone not from MTGS originally. Between that attitude and the phase lengths, it's no wonder that the site isn't retaining people.
As for "can't ban policy lynches", it is a very simple point to warn once for someone saying that they will lynch someone for non-game reasons and then modkill if they follow through with that lynch without giving real reasons or having progressed their reads/vote. And I take intentionally breaking the rules that a host has set forth very seriously.
It's just not appropriate as a community to bully people into accepting a closed mindset on anything different from a certain norm that in and of itself borders on racism and ableism. That's never been socially healthy. Heck, there was a pretty big war due to that about 75 years ago. There's problems around the world all the time due to that sort of attitude. But I suppose we don't care. We'll just be another dying forum that wants to play Mafia but doesn't want others to do so.
You’re making a pretty slippery slope argument here; we aren’t in the business of discouraging people from playing, we also aren’t in the business of killing Jews or anyone else, bringing such up is silly. You’re arguing against letting players use tools at their disposal to correct others in the hopes of making games more fun and playable both in the moment and in the future. You can’t always guarantee that the mod and the players thoughts will align. For example, I will policy lynch self voters, for a multitude of reasons, and not every mod will agree on that or correct the behavior (not to mention it could be alignment related, and by bringing it to the mod there’s risk of read influence).
I want people to come here, I want to instill this place as a unique forum with a draw. But that doesn’t mean welcoming every type of behavior is warrented, but that comes down to how you correct it. It’s a whole lot more impactful to have a bunch of players warn and lynch someone and tell them how to fix it, than it is for a mod to say “hey stop that”.
This probably isn’t the place to continue this, it’s a game thread; I recommend moving this conversation to the discord server if you want to continue.
1. I'm with the mafia on this one. It actually behooves the mafia to not kill the king and instead kill everyone else. Killing the king will just result in another town being confirmed, whereas leaving the king alive results in the town only getting one confirmed town to work with. It becomes damage control for the mafia to just take the initial town confirmation and give the town as little as possible, except during instances of WIFOM like the last day.
2. I believe the game should have had more towns. Had no mafia been lynched day 1, it would have been lynch-or-lose day 2. That seems too brief, and the king mechanic does not make up for it.
3. The king's doublevote should be tweaked. Cantripmancer's "just kidding, it's D_V" line was hilarious, but personally, I think such creativity should be rewarded. The two person lynch thing can be avoided by the first vote as counting before the second. For example, if it's Vote Person A, Vote Person B, the Person A vote comes before Person B, therefore Person A's lynch is clinched before Person B, meaning the vote on Person B doesn't count, we're already in twilight.
But that brings up the question of whether the double vote is even something the king needs to have. If on a day of 3 people, the king does not get a double vote, then there's not much utility there.
4. Whether or not the mafia can opt out of a daykill/town can opt out of a lynch is a question to muse over.
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Probably not as hard as I started. I'm not really in the business of policy lynching my buddy especially when I'll get nearly no cred for it. You modded prison block mafia. You should know how I bus my buddies given than my bus kept terry alive till LyLo.
Also the recently ended secret agent where I bussed GJ just for form.
I mean, I'd care a lot less about how annoying something is if it's done by my buddy. That's also why I thought hr was scum.
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Ghostbusters maybe? I talked a lot about that Rhand kill when it happened and how it didn't make sense from my game perspective because I was one of the only people town reading Rhand.
I hate you for not having that go to the post so I can remember instantly for your other question.
So, I had stated here,
You then asked me her
What my reason was, which I had already given and I simply repeated. So I asked you out of curiosity if you felt like your scum would be more exact or not. I've got some feelings on paying attention not paying attention being a minor scum tell in some scenarios.
Anyways, you gave me a sufficient answer so I dropped it.
I was copying Grapes post from when he whispered about how he would have elected someone else. That post made me laugh so I just mimicked it.
Ugh, so here’s where I’m at. I think there are really good reasons to townread both of you. And I think there are some indicators for why either of you could be pulling the wool over my eyes. So I’m just gonna flip a coin and vote.
This post where I shade Osie call for his lynch and at the same time simultaneously say that we shouldn't touch Osie. Its like looking for town cred, while not actually saying much.
My thought was trying to play tough guy and make Osie stop meme posting. I like memes, but not the way Osie was doing it. Well, I liked when he started doing poor MS paint memes, I liked that part. Sound clouds and drunk thing I wasn't a big fan of.
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Not a Shadow game so I can't say instant yes.
I don't think it would tip the game either way.
They have to have pre-game chat?
I can't say for sure that scum don't have day chat.
But Osie's behavior indicates to me that there probably was not day chat.
Is it really relevant?
From my point of view DV's hammer was either accidental or intentionally seeming accidental. Both of those don't require communication and produce the same effect. Pre-game chat is a must regardless of the king mechanic so I'd imagine they had at least a message.
Even so it's also possible that osie simply thought that it's cool to troll and dv went along with it.
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Can I get a closing post from both of you before I decide my vote?
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ParalithoD_Ves camtschaticus (1): V is For Vulturepiraka
V is For Vulturepiraka (1): ParalithoD_Ves camtschaticus
Not Voting (1): (King) Slytherinlancerx
With 3 alive, it takes 2 votes to lynch!
IDK look at my 255 where I bring up those questions you asked me.
I don't see any way as scum I can progress my reasoning like that.
Path of Exile expansion just dropped and I'm on my way home so don't expect any more answers from me today. I might check but probabally not.
There’s just enough evidence that points to town vez and scum DV that I think this is my best choice. DV, if you’re town, I’m so sorry.
D_V (2): vezokpiraka, (King) shadowlancerx
vezokpiraka (1): D_V
King Shadow sat upon his throne, tossing question after question at the two lesser kings in front of him. One of them was a traitor to the crown. One of them a loyal subject and colleague. Finally, without much fanfare, King Shadow announced that he had made a decision. He pulled his sword from its scabbard, and, deliberately turning his back on vezokpiraka, plunged the blade through D_V's chest. Even in that decisive moment, King Shadow felt a flicker of doubt. Had he made the right choice?
King Nebuchadnezzar II Budweiser, the King of BeersRed King CrabKing Shadow, aka shadowlancer, aka
Amir Timur, aka Tamerlane the Sacramento KingsKing Cobra and vezokpiraka, akaKing Louis XIV of France The King of QueensKing Vulture have proven to both be King Solomons (Solomen?) and survived to endgame. Town have won.Vezok ruffled his feathers in anticipation of a feeding frenzy.
"Sssslow your roll, King Snake," said D_V. "Just because I'm a little crabby doesn't mean I'm rotten underneath this carapace!"
But it was too late. The cobra's fangs sliced through D_V's shell and delivered a fatal amount of venom.
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So wait... The reason I thought D_V was the least likely suspect was the length of time that lapsed between shadowlancerx voting and D_V hammering. What was the mafia plan if Bur or I had hammervoted him?
Also question to Cantrip: how many of these king names did you have in stock?
GG everyone. Thanks for hosting Cantrip.
Oh, I didn't have to worry about running out. I could've gone with famous people (BB King, Billie Jean King, Stephen King, MLK Jr) or game pieces (Chess King, Checker King, the King in draughts) or...well, really it's Kings all the way down.
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Explaining my posts this game:
I was not expecting that gamethrow/lynch with the timing that it happened (Seriously, if you're going to policy lynch, you might as well just roll a die every time instead of playing the game. It's gamethrowing and bad sportsmanship. I don't mind that I got lynched as scum but I wish it was for real reasons), but I eventually resigned myself to that and, in the end, shrugged and figured DV could get some town equity off of my lynch.
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Other than slips, I think I'd never kill the king unless they hard suspected me.
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I am not sure that my thought to have the two mafia members interact with as little serious thought as possible in pre-game actually made sense. I think it helped a bit, but in the long run it might have been better to try to plan out the game between the two of us. Of course, that might have been more likely to get us caught.
I normally am okay with posting restrictions but that one was a bridge too far for me personally.
But is it really your responsibility? If it's causing a problem for game health then bring it to the mod, no? Lynching is using game mechanics to solve a problem that they aren't meant to solve.
I personally think that the better scum strat this game is to minimize killing the king in general. I think killing the King each night keeps the options a little too low. But I could be wrong there.
I also don't agree with the mod intervening. You didn't break any mafia rule. It was just that you were so annoying that I'd rather waste a lynch so I know you stop posting than actually keep seeing your posts.
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I had a feeling Bur wouldn't do anything, Spoiler He didn't do anything.
Okay "No matter what, if at least half the players vote that a player should be modkilled, whether or not they would actually want to see that player lynched, then they should be modkilled." Sounds like a plan going forward. No it doesn't. That's a miserable rule. You might as well get rid of the host entirely at that point and waste the game having the players argue all the time and then each player can get voted out purely based on how toxic they are. Oh wait, a lot of our games are devolving into that anyways. I'd never implement that. I absolutely can and would include lynching for reasons outside of your win condition, aka policy lynching, under game throwing in things for which I'd modkill.
You know, having already read what Voxxicus had to say about posting restrictions in the spider game, this just sounds like a less reasoned version of that.
Honestly, most complaints about post restrictions just ring as "Wahh, wahh, I can't metaread as well." At which point you might as well just ban multis and require everyone to post their previous games in their first post each game to facilitate metareads or eat a "community modkill". If site growth is slow, maybe pushing away anything that differs from some "ideal" of site meta doesn't help...
Besides, this is literally the only game as far as I can remember at least that I've seen in 2 years of playing here in which a player has been lynched because most of the players on the wagon were not playing to their win conditions. Good luck on the argument that my posting style this game was somehow more obnoxious than EVERY SINGLE posting restriction ever before, or at least in the past two years.
I absolutely don't think it would be appropriate to modkill people for policy lynching. It isn't game throwing to use the lynch to remove a player who is intentionally making it difficult or impossible to read them by using a self-imposed posting restriction, particularly one like SoundCloud linking or playing pictograms.
If anything, the player using the post restriction is playing against their own wincon as both alignments, particularly when a bunch of the players have told them they will policy lynch them if they don't stop.
It isn't at all about making meta reads "easier", some of these post restrictions make posts either entirely incomprehensible or inaccessible. If someone is trying to dodge meta reads because their meta makes the game unfun for them (which, honestly, should only apply to a few players who warp games around themselves, like Voxxicus, due to their reputation) a much better option would be playing as a gimmick or actually adapting their meta to make it harder to read.
Edit: I won't pretend that I remember every post restriction from the last two years, but I have read 99% of games and the only one I remember that comes close to the ones used here was tom's spider... besides the serial killer cat Cythare in Star Trek Myriad Universes IV, which was mod imposed.
You can argue all you want, but at the end of the day more people agreed that your posting was insuferrable and that you deserves to be lynched for it.
You also can't ban policy lynches. It's a concept with undefined borders. Couple that with the fact that my vote started as a policy vote yet I also started to scum read you for your dumb posting.
I've also seen this argument time and time again from people who got policy lynched. Change your behaviour instead of trying to change others.
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Besides, I can easily extend the hard-to-read argument to its logical conclusion and it's not pretty. If someone legitimately has difficulty with English such that their posts were similarly hard to read to the drunken style, but the players could not tell, "Oh well, it's a policy lynch." If someone is from another community and they aren't used to claiming their role, "Oh well, it's a policy lynch." And so on. You might as well be openly rejecting of anyone not from MTGS originally. Between that attitude and the phase lengths, it's no wonder that the site isn't retaining people.
As for "can't ban policy lynches", it is a very simple point to warn once for someone saying that they will lynch someone for non-game reasons and then modkill if they follow through with that lynch without giving real reasons or having progressed their reads/vote. And I take intentionally breaking the rules that a host has set forth very seriously.
I want people to come here, I want to instill this place as a unique forum with a draw. But that doesn’t mean welcoming every type of behavior is warrented, but that comes down to how you correct it. It’s a whole lot more impactful to have a bunch of players warn and lynch someone and tell them how to fix it, than it is for a mod to say “hey stop that”.
1. I'm with the mafia on this one. It actually behooves the mafia to not kill the king and instead kill everyone else. Killing the king will just result in another town being confirmed, whereas leaving the king alive results in the town only getting one confirmed town to work with. It becomes damage control for the mafia to just take the initial town confirmation and give the town as little as possible, except during instances of WIFOM like the last day.
2. I believe the game should have had more towns. Had no mafia been lynched day 1, it would have been lynch-or-lose day 2. That seems too brief, and the king mechanic does not make up for it.
3. The king's doublevote should be tweaked. Cantripmancer's "just kidding, it's D_V" line was hilarious, but personally, I think such creativity should be rewarded. The two person lynch thing can be avoided by the first vote as counting before the second. For example, if it's Vote Person A, Vote Person B, the Person A vote comes before Person B, therefore Person A's lynch is clinched before Person B, meaning the vote on Person B doesn't count, we're already in twilight.
But that brings up the question of whether the double vote is even something the king needs to have. If on a day of 3 people, the king does not get a double vote, then there's not much utility there.
4. Whether or not the mafia can opt out of a daykill/town can opt out of a lynch is a question to muse over.
Mafia have a Nightkill, not a daykill.
Given recent Perpetual-MyLo situations, the general solution has been to make the nightkill optional.