KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm saying your reasoning for shooting Last is a tack on to your vig claim.
Yes, obviously I get that, I don't understand why.
You claimed to have shot Last because you thought he was softing vigilante.
He softed PR multiple times. His play, commented on by tom (maybe others, don't recall), was pointed out to be PR softing to eat a night kill, or at least his play revolved around being a PR.
Vig shoots players who claim vig in self-preservation, or anything about the player's claim that indicates it was intended to be a true claim.
What made you think Last was truly claiming vig, or softing it? Instead of trying to eat a night kill (as his role would suggest)?
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I'm saying your reasoning for shooting Last is a tack on to your vig claim.
Yes, obviously I get that, I don't understand why.
You claimed to have shot Last because you thought he was softing vigilante.
He softed PR multiple times. His play, commented on by tom (maybe others, don't recall), was pointed out to be PR softing to eat a night kill, or at least his play revolved around being a PR.
Vig shoots players who claim vig in self-preservation, or anything about the player's claim that indicates it was intended to be a true claim.
What made you think Last was truly claiming vig, or softing it? Instead of trying to eat a night kill (as his role would suggest)?
So first off, I obviously didn't know his role at the time I shot him.
He danced around a vig claim. It specifically looked like he was trying to have it both ways, so that he could hardclaim vig later if he wanted to, or step back and say "oh no I didn't really claim vig" if I verbally CC'ed him.
It turned out to be just town being ambiguous, but it looked to me like scum being slippery.
I still want to lynch Vaimes. I'm okish with a KA lynch too, but I would vastly prefer Vaimes.
Remind me what changed regarding Kami?
Yeah you're right. I don't want to lynch KA that much. My scumteam is something like {tom, Vaimes, one of KA/lnggrr}, but I'm not convinced at all about the last spot.
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Lynch LnGR and maybe Chris before you consider other options. tom looked townier than Chris when they were butting heads, but I mostly skimmed everything so Who Knows.
There are three scum left, and all of them are in [vezok, Kami, LnGR, Chris] imo. And if vezok is town, he can potentially townfirm himself slash extend LyLo.
If this is a town flip, which it seems to be, trusting that Vaimes wouldn't troll, we get LnGrrrR tomorrow. This is the second "LHF" he's pushed with little doubt.
This is also pretty bad. I don't think really think vez is scum. I probably have to reevaluate my town pile, since there's still a missing member of the team if Kami/LnGrrrR is a thing.
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I'm saying your reasoning for shooting Last is a tack on to your vig claim.
Yes, obviously I get that, I don't understand why.
You claimed to have shot Last because you thought he was softing vigilante.
He softed PR multiple times. His play, commented on by tom (maybe others, don't recall), was pointed out to be PR softing to eat a night kill, or at least his play revolved around being a PR.
Vig shoots players who claim vig in self-preservation, or anything about the player's claim that indicates it was intended to be a true claim.
What made you think Last was truly claiming vig, or softing it? Instead of trying to eat a night kill (as his role would suggest)?
So first off, I obviously didn't know his role at the time I shot him.
He danced around a vig claim. It specifically looked like he was trying to have it both ways, so that he could hardclaim vig later if he wanted to, or step back and say "oh no I didn't really claim vig" if I verbally CC'ed him.
It turned out to be just town being ambiguous, but it looked to me like scum being slippery.
I'm saying your reasoning for shooting Last is a tack on to your vig claim.
Yes, obviously I get that, I don't understand why.
You claimed to have shot Last because you thought he was softing vigilante.
He softed PR multiple times. His play, commented on by tom (maybe others, don't recall), was pointed out to be PR softing to eat a night kill, or at least his play revolved around being a PR.
Vig shoots players who claim vig in self-preservation, or anything about the player's claim that indicates it was intended to be a true claim.
What made you think Last was truly claiming vig, or softing it? Instead of trying to eat a night kill (as his role would suggest)?
So first off, I obviously didn't know his role at the time I shot him.
He danced around a vig claim. It specifically looked like he was trying to have it both ways, so that he could hardclaim vig later if he wanted to, or step back and say "oh no I didn't really claim vig" if I verbally CC'ed him.
It turned out to be just town being ambiguous, but it looked to me like scum being slippery.
Scum hardclaiming vig is a bad thing, why? From your perspective, that should make things much easier. You don't out, and you just shoot. It makes little sense to shoot him prior to any hard claim.
Have you never seen town try to eat a night kill before? I'm pretty sure vez has pulled that kind of gambit on this site before.
And I know that's not something you could have known with certainty before his flip, but it was recognizable enough for tom to call it out..
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Also... On the off chance this flips scum...
Does town really have a better chance of winning? Cause scum should now be one mislynch away from winning and thinking tomorrow could be a repeat of the past two days where consensus scumreads (or rather, consensus non-townreads) are the ones getting lynched.. Allowing scum to do easy pushing and avoid being held accountable for the lynch when it was hard to defend the slot in the first place
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The forth day feels really quiet. No one has much energy remaining and instead of arguing, most people just stay silent and stare at the others. Everyone is clearly wary of each other. It feels like it was an eternity ago when you last time spent time together as a family, happily laughing together and whatever silly things happened to you during the day.
Still, you needed to see through this, in order to get rid of the traitors and to reclaim at least some of that happiness. You all have resolved to do no matter what it takes to survive this ordeal and kill the traitors, no matter who those are. Even if it was someone very close to you, you'd still do it. You know that much about yourselves.
After several hours of silence, one of you finally breaks down. Gino, the third son of Enrico suddenly starts muttering to himself before loudly shouting: "It's no use, we'll all going to die anyways! We're going to die!"
Moving faster than you have ever seen him move (considering his weak legs and constant need of crutches), he makes it across the room to a bookshelf and pulls out a gun. With a swift move, he places the gun on his temple and cries out loud: "I'm sorry!"
A loud bang permeates the room and the third son of Enrico falls down on floor, dead.
Vaimes has been lynched! They were:
Gino (Mafia)
You weren't born lucky. You were born as a youngest son of a mafia family, meaning that there will always be someone (in this case, your older brothers) to reap the benefits. As if that weren't enough, it was soon found out after your born that your legs were weak. Even now, you can barely stand on your own feet without any support and any physical activities involving your legs were out of question. You've been the laughingstock for your father and brothers ever since you were born.
Still, this drive you to attempts to prove your worthiness to your father in other fields than just fighting and running. Spying, negotiating, manipulating... no avail. Your father never acknowledged you, until his untimely death. Now that he's been dealt with, it's time to pay back for all the humiliation and ridicule you've faced for your whole life. It's time to show what you can do to the rest of the family and maybe, just maybe, if they bow down on their knees and apologize, you'll grant them mercy of a quick and painless death.
Though, you still first need to gain control of this whole mess that the death of your father has brought upon this mansion. Good for you that you were the one who built and installed the whole electronic safety system, with electronic locks, surveillance cameras and whatnot. Rest of your family laughed when you spent several days working on them. They won't laugh now.
You have the following abilities:
Traviare (1-shot): Target two players. If the first person takes any action tonight, you manipulate the mansion's doors to lead that person to the second target instead of their original target.
Confondere (1-shot): Target two players. You will change the signs on the doors of those players vice versa, so that all abilities that would target one of those players tonight will target the other one instead.
Bloccare (1-shot): Target a player. You will use the safety system to lock them into their room, preventing them from taking any actions tonight but also protecting them from all kills.
You win when mafia has gained control of the game.
With yet another traitor dead, you headed to your beds, praying that this ordeal would end soon. None of you would be able to hand much more of these deaths and killings anymore.
It's now Night 4. Day 5 will start in ~24 hours.
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Getting rid of yet another traitor felt good. It felt seriously good, knowing that you were one person closer of ending this nightmare. You all prayed that there wouldn't be any more traitors left and everyone who went to bed would wake up in the morning. You were all getting tired of suspecting each other and seeing more and more people close to you dead, traitors or not.
Still, it looked the luck still wasn't on your side, as only eight people found their way to the dining room in the morning. Knowing already what to expect, you all head towards the room of Viviana, Enrico's sister. To no one's surprise, you find her dead in her bed, grasping a bottle of high quality whisky in her cold, dead hands.
"She won't be finishing that bottle", you think to yourselves as one of you pries the bottle away from her hands, and carefully smells the insides. A pungent smell fills your nose. From the looks of it, the traitors knew about her habit of drinking in the night (though, who didn't know about that habit of hers?) and had decided to take advantage of that. Poisoning someone was low, poisoning their bottle of whisky was even lower.
vezokpiraka has been found dead! They were:
Viviana (Town)
You’ve seen a few things in your life. Heck, you’ve even done a few things. It was never particularly easy being part of this family, and when your brother took charge of the day to day operations, you weren’t about to let him have all the fun. But that was many years ago, and times are different. That was before seeing and doing some of the most horrible things imaginable. You don’t regret it though, it was for the family, it was for the people who you’re supposed to love, and who are supposed to love you.
Now, more often than not, you’ve got a smile on your face, and a bottle in your hand. It’s easier to spend your time laughing far too loud at the same stories you’ve told for several years now; easier to be perpetually intoxicated than worry about life.
Your brother is dead, and you can’t help but know that you’re next, but why remember all that when you could forget it instead. After all, you probably deserve it anyway. Nevertheless, you don’t plan to live out any time left all alone, because misery loves company after all.
You have the following ability:
Share a drink: Target a player, you will stumble into their room and share a few drinks and stories about your dearly departed brother.
(They are blocked from performing actions tonight.)
You win when all threats to the town have been dealt with.
With yet another body in front of you all, everyone looks at the few other remaining people. If you could only root out the missing traitors, you could finally be free from this ordeal...
It's now Day 5. With 8 alive, it’s 5 to lynch. Deadline is on April 25th.
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That was super unsurprising as Vaimes just kept going on and on about not caring. Glad Vezok was able to do his duty for town and eat the night kill instead of being lynched during the way. Glad to be of service, my man.
Anyway Tom is scum.
##vote: Tom
So now that we know Anak and Vaimes have flipped scum we know Scum Tom just had to super try hard this game because his buddies weren't pulling their weight. A for Effort though with "Vaimes is the most obvious scum but I'd rather lynch Vezok first because ... ... ... You know, all that claimed night power we have in the game for a potential scum roleblocker to block. Oh wait."
I will be doing analysis of Vaimes interactions, they should prove interesting.
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61 Last (5): hr, vez, rod, Grape, kami
321 Grape (5): rhand, anak, tom, Vaimes, rod
366
Lngrr (5): hr, Last, Vaimes, tubba, tom
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RE (8): hr, Grape, anak, Kami, Vaimes, Last, rhand, tubba
1467 rhand (9): re, Chris, Vaimes, Kami, tubba, vez, rod, tom, Last
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Kami (5): LnGrr, Anak, osi, vez, chris
2149 Osi (7): rod, vez, lngrr, tom, Hr, Vaimes, Grape
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LnGrr (5): tubba, Vaimes, Hr, kami, Rod
3199 Vez (5): Hr, tom, Kj, Vaimes, kami
3265 Vaimes (6): vez, tom, Grape, rod, lngrr, Kami
3316 tubba (7): Chris, tom, Vaimes, grape, rod, lngrr, vez
3663 Vaimes (6): Vez, Chris, LnGrr, Kami, Rod, Vaimes
Rodemy and Highroller are snow white to me. KJ ergh he sometimes just says things that bother me like "GOING TO LYNCH CHRIS TOMORROW FOR THAT WAGON PUSH ON TOM" and then also "yeah I don't like Tom much" but maybe now that vezok has flipped town he will see Tom is really shady for that whole vaimes/vezok priority he decided to get going on. Then again maybe KJ is just sussing me to make scum think there is hope of someday mislynching me. Or maybe KJ just really hates me. I am not sure.
But first, Vaimes. This shouldn't take long. Although actually he had nearly 200 posts of uselessness, wow.
Vaimes first push is into KA.
Plausible scum on the early LW wagon, dislike his tom treatment, feel like his later LW read is a super specific/nitpicky thing that just exists to be a reason. [redacted] that's kinda coachy, I'll bring it up if it isn't self-resolving.
I skipped all the Grape stuff so I could do that separately; standby.
Judging based off this the team is never exactly KA/Tom
KJ is probably not scum based off the angle of attack against Grapefruit Vaimes uses here:
...Is that really the only way you can defend the complete lack of real, original basis behind the KJ read and your own attitude towards being run up?
Would surprise me if he attacked town so blatantly for an attack on a scum buddy.
In addition to completely brushing off those points as bandwagoning/sheeping, I have no idea where you're trying to go with your worldbuilding. Does it go something like "Vaimes does a catchup, votes for his buddy Kamikaze, but then completely takes it back just to bandwagon"?
Interesting angle about KA.
Tom day 1 from Vaimes iso:
So i still dont think wolfvaimes and towngrape is a thing, but otherwise dont really like vaimes so far. Not really buying me and wisp as his main townreads
Oops Tom failed.
Sheeps onto Lngrrr.
Votes Etr saying "this is correct" and says "Reaverb is town no matter what." iirc Etr is RE and Reaverb is now Highroller gosh it is hard not to assume both those slots are town. Both Vaimes and Anak took the exact same tact here and given the scum team we now know exists obviously RE's slot did not reveal a scum team of any sort so ... yeah there's just almost no way RE is scum here. Like, almost impossible unless this is some really next level stuff and I don't think it is next level because Vaimes and Anak weren't invested enough.
So hard town reads now look like:
Rodemy
Highroller
RE
With Tom/KA/KJJ/Lngrr being 2/4 scum if I am right.
Also tonally Vaimes treats KJ like town imo, but that's not definitive.
Given how many variables we're working with (whether or not EtR flips scum, and how that affects the rest of his list) and that we need EtR's alignment to even have a clue as to which direction to go on, I'm not gonna bother with juggling that many worlds.
Does... anyone at all want to try to argue with me that this is never a bus line of thought? This is pretty classically "Look, I am advocating the correct play! You can't fault this for me later!" when the town dies a horrible death.
Oh wait, is Tau Higheroller's light? God early replacements are confusing me <_<. It doesn't matter Highroller is clear for a lot of reasons to me.
don't stop being town just because you're incapable of perceiving it. And I don't know why you expected to accurately read me within three posts. Has that ever happened?
Nothing is universal, LnGR's play has never stood out to me in the past in however many games I've played with him, and I thought that the fear of death would get him to post or crumble. Obviously things aren't going that way, but I won't forget about him.
Boy that first line to KJ doesn't seem scum-scum to me. I am trying to keep an open mind but... liking my PoE of KA/Lngrr/Tom a lot!
And I already said I am not super keen on Tom/KA world so that means Lngrr not looking so hot right now!
Boy Vaimes continues to care a lot what KJ thinks as I read his iso.
I don't know why people are giving Kami so much *****. I think he's right, at least about town talking itself in circles with everyone trying to be the most correct person in the room. We've cycled through like, three or four major wagons, and people just wanna keep going up and down like a demented seesaw.
As long as a lynch lands on EtR, Rhand, or LnGR, I'm good. At this point I don't care about anything else. I'm a little concerned about Tau now, but it's not something I want to pursue without a flip elsewhere.
Oh there is no ******* way this isn't RO3.
##vote: LnGR
Tom doesn't have anything benefiting him in this ISO at all so far but yeah I see that and just go "NOPE."
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Don't kill me. I didn't actually fully read Vaimes' flip.
Strange reaction and avoidance of my question.
Scum vaimes would have CC’d me the moment I claimed.
So why. Didn’t. He.
Maybe because he would have outed himself in the process. You were townier than him. He bought one more day for himself by not claiming, while claiming may have gotten him lynched the same day. Also being forced into a dichotomy is just rough stuff outside of LyLo. He clearly didn't have interest in the game while lurking, one v. one'ing someone would likely to have been unsuccessful.
I have a theory but I don't want to force additional claiming.
Also, I "avoided" your question because you asked about the set up. I don't know why mafia and town have overlapping roles. It just so happens sometimes.
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Vaimes is a good choice tho. But I unvoted to see who would jump on with less people on the wagon.
Vezok seems a good lunch candidate as well.
Maybe tomorrow. I just finished eating lunch for today.
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I'd still prefer Vez or LnGrrR to Vaimes. I'm not opposed to Kami either, but I'd still prefer the former two.
Thought that woke me up last night: If Vaimes is scum, Chris might be as well for the push away from Vaimes in Nowheresville onto tom.
He softed PR multiple times. His play, commented on by tom (maybe others, don't recall), was pointed out to be PR softing to eat a night kill, or at least his play revolved around being a PR.
Vig shoots players who claim vig in self-preservation, or anything about the player's claim that indicates it was intended to be a true claim.
What made you think Last was truly claiming vig, or softing it? Instead of trying to eat a night kill (as his role would suggest)?
He danced around a vig claim. It specifically looked like he was trying to have it both ways, so that he could hardclaim vig later if he wanted to, or step back and say "oh no I didn't really claim vig" if I verbally CC'ed him.
It turned out to be just town being ambiguous, but it looked to me like scum being slippery.
Yeah you're right. I don't want to lynch KA that much. My scumteam is something like {tom, Vaimes, one of KA/lnggrr}, but I'm not convinced at all about the last spot.
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(It is sweet doing nothing.)
Vaimes (4): vezokpiraka, Sir Chris, LnGrrrR, KamikazeArchon
KamikazeArchon (3): Highroller, RE1031, tomsloger
vezokpiraka (1): Vaimes
Not Voting (2): Rodemy, Killjoy
V/LA: LnGrrrR (April 14th)
With 10 alive, it’s 6 to lynch. Deadline is on April 18th, 10 PM GMT (~74 h 15 mins from this post!)
Let’s do this
Unvote, vote Vaimes
I'm town, but clearly this needs to happen.
Yeah that totally proves you are town
No really tell the truth
So, just spill
Anyway this is boring.
Lynch LnGR and maybe Chris before you consider other options. tom looked townier than Chris when they were butting heads, but I mostly skimmed everything so Who Knows.
You self hammered and put us into lylo?
That makes no ****in sense at all
Highroller and Rod are town.
Kami and vezok are lolshrug, I honestly haven't been able to bring myself to care about either of them. PoE etc.
There are three scum left, and all of them are in [vezok, Kami, LnGR, Chris] imo. And if vezok is town, he can potentially townfirm himself slash extend LyLo.
He kinda shucked the kiddie gloves this game and I want to say that alone is town-indicative.
I could probably organize all of that into a pretty rainbow readslist but no thanks.
I dunno.
I genuinely think town has a better shot at winning with my flip confirmed.
And I'd much rather die now than in LyLo again. Once is enough for this year.
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Vaimes (6): vezokpiraka, Sir Chris, LnGrrrR, KamikazeArchon, Rodemy, Vaimes
KamikazeArchon (3): Highroller, RE1031, tomsloger
Not Voting (2): Killjoy
That’s a lynch! Scene will be in several hours. (You may continue posting)
This is also pretty bad. I don't think really think vez is scum. I probably have to reevaluate my town pile, since there's still a missing member of the team if Kami/LnGrrrR is a thing.
Have you never seen town try to eat a night kill before? I'm pretty sure vez has pulled that kind of gambit on this site before.
And I know that's not something you could have known with certainty before his flip, but it was recognizable enough for tom to call it out..
Does town really have a better chance of winning? Cause scum should now be one mislynch away from winning and thinking tomorrow could be a repeat of the past two days where consensus scumreads (or rather, consensus non-townreads) are the ones getting lynched.. Allowing scum to do easy pushing and avoid being held accountable for the lynch when it was hard to defend the slot in the first place
Well vaimes is either scum or really wants to lose this game. So that's fun...
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModThe forth day feels really quiet. No one has much energy remaining and instead of arguing, most people just stay silent and stare at the others. Everyone is clearly wary of each other. It feels like it was an eternity ago when you last time spent time together as a family, happily laughing together and whatever silly things happened to you during the day.
Still, you needed to see through this, in order to get rid of the traitors and to reclaim at least some of that happiness. You all have resolved to do no matter what it takes to survive this ordeal and kill the traitors, no matter who those are. Even if it was someone very close to you, you'd still do it. You know that much about yourselves.
After several hours of silence, one of you finally breaks down. Gino, the third son of Enrico suddenly starts muttering to himself before loudly shouting:
"It's no use, we'll all going to die anyways! We're going to die!"
Moving faster than you have ever seen him move (considering his weak legs and constant need of crutches), he makes it across the room to a bookshelf and pulls out a gun. With a swift move, he places the gun on his temple and cries out loud: "I'm sorry!"
A loud bang permeates the room and the third son of Enrico falls down on floor, dead.
Vaimes has been lynched! They were:
You weren't born lucky. You were born as a youngest son of a mafia family, meaning that there will always be someone (in this case, your older brothers) to reap the benefits. As if that weren't enough, it was soon found out after your born that your legs were weak. Even now, you can barely stand on your own feet without any support and any physical activities involving your legs were out of question. You've been the laughingstock for your father and brothers ever since you were born.
Still, this drive you to attempts to prove your worthiness to your father in other fields than just fighting and running. Spying, negotiating, manipulating... no avail. Your father never acknowledged you, until his untimely death. Now that he's been dealt with, it's time to pay back for all the humiliation and ridicule you've faced for your whole life. It's time to show what you can do to the rest of the family and maybe, just maybe, if they bow down on their knees and apologize, you'll grant them mercy of a quick and painless death.
Though, you still first need to gain control of this whole mess that the death of your father has brought upon this mansion. Good for you that you were the one who built and installed the whole electronic safety system, with electronic locks, surveillance cameras and whatnot. Rest of your family laughed when you spent several days working on them. They won't laugh now.
You have the following abilities:
Traviare (1-shot): Target two players. If the first person takes any action tonight, you manipulate the mansion's doors to lead that person to the second target instead of their original target.
Confondere (1-shot): Target two players. You will change the signs on the doors of those players vice versa, so that all abilities that would target one of those players tonight will target the other one instead.
Bloccare (1-shot): Target a player. You will use the safety system to lock them into their room, preventing them from taking any actions tonight but also protecting them from all kills.
You win when mafia has gained control of the game.
With yet another traitor dead, you headed to your beds, praying that this ordeal would end soon. None of you would be able to hand much more of these deaths and killings anymore.
It's now Night 4. Day 5 will start in ~24 hours.
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Non-Staff Quasi-ModGetting rid of yet another traitor felt good. It felt seriously good, knowing that you were one person closer of ending this nightmare. You all prayed that there wouldn't be any more traitors left and everyone who went to bed would wake up in the morning. You were all getting tired of suspecting each other and seeing more and more people close to you dead, traitors or not.
Still, it looked the luck still wasn't on your side, as only eight people found their way to the dining room in the morning. Knowing already what to expect, you all head towards the room of Viviana, Enrico's sister. To no one's surprise, you find her dead in her bed, grasping a bottle of high quality whisky in her cold, dead hands.
"She won't be finishing that bottle", you think to yourselves as one of you pries the bottle away from her hands, and carefully smells the insides. A pungent smell fills your nose. From the looks of it, the traitors knew about her habit of drinking in the night (though, who didn't know about that habit of hers?) and had decided to take advantage of that. Poisoning someone was low, poisoning their bottle of whisky was even lower.
vezokpiraka has been found dead! They were:
You’ve seen a few things in your life. Heck, you’ve even done a few things. It was never particularly easy being part of this family, and when your brother took charge of the day to day operations, you weren’t about to let him have all the fun. But that was many years ago, and times are different. That was before seeing and doing some of the most horrible things imaginable. You don’t regret it though, it was for the family, it was for the people who you’re supposed to love, and who are supposed to love you.
Now, more often than not, you’ve got a smile on your face, and a bottle in your hand. It’s easier to spend your time laughing far too loud at the same stories you’ve told for several years now; easier to be perpetually intoxicated than worry about life.
Your brother is dead, and you can’t help but know that you’re next, but why remember all that when you could forget it instead. After all, you probably deserve it anyway. Nevertheless, you don’t plan to live out any time left all alone, because misery loves company after all.
You have the following ability:
Share a drink: Target a player, you will stumble into their room and share a few drinks and stories about your dearly departed brother.
(They are blocked from performing actions tonight.)
You win when all threats to the town have been dealt with.
With yet another body in front of you all, everyone looks at the few other remaining people. If you could only root out the missing traitors, you could finally be free from this ordeal...
It's now Day 5. With 8 alive, it’s 5 to lynch. Deadline is on April 25th.
Well,
Anyone playing the setup game wanna explain two jailer shots?
Because that pretty much ****s me.
Why do you think there are two jailer shots?
Don't kill me. I didn't actually fully read Vaimes' flip.
Strange reaction and avoidance of my question.
Scum vaimes would have CC’d me the moment I claimed.
So why. Didn’t. He.
Why would he have?
To get me lynched?
Idk.
vote tom
How you are still alive is beyond me
Sorry bud, I think you are scum.
Any other reasons or just "toms good he must be scum"?
vote LnGrrrR
Also I'll be V/LA the next three weekends.
Vote KamikazeArchon. Because obviously.
Anyway Tom is scum.
##vote: Tom
So now that we know Anak and Vaimes have flipped scum we know Scum Tom just had to super try hard this game because his buddies weren't pulling their weight. A for Effort though with "Vaimes is the most obvious scum but I'd rather lynch Vezok first because ... ... ... You know, all that claimed night power we have in the game for a potential scum roleblocker to block. Oh wait."
I will be doing analysis of Vaimes interactions, they should prove interesting.
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Prolly gonna vote Kami but want to go through and make sure im locked on lngrr being town now. Then look at kj/hr because vaimes flip i guess?
61
Last(5): hr,vez, rod,Grape, kami321
Grape(5):rhand,anak, tom,Vaimes, rod366
Lngrr (5): hr,
Last,Vaimes,tubba, tom469
RE (8): hr,
Grape,anak, Kami,Vaimes,Last, rhand, tubba1467
rhand(9): re, Chris,Vaimes, Kami,tubba, vez, rod, tom,Last1812
Kami (5): LnGrr,
Anak,osi, vez, chris2149
Osi(7): rod,vez, lngrr, tom, Hr,Vaimes,Grape2712
LnGrr (5):
tubba,Vaimes, Hr, kami, Rod3199
Vez(5): Hr, tom, Kj,Vaimes, kami3265
Vaimes(6):vez, tom,Grape, rod, lngrr, Kami3316
tubba(7): Chris, tom,Vaimes,grape, rod, lngrr,vez3663
Vaimes(6):Vez, Chris, LnGrr, Kami, Rod,Vaimes1. Rodemy
2. Highroller
3. KJ
4. RE
5. KA
6. Lnggrr
7. Tom
Spacing denotes TIERS.
Rodemy and Highroller are snow white to me. KJ ergh he sometimes just says things that bother me like "GOING TO LYNCH CHRIS TOMORROW FOR THAT WAGON PUSH ON TOM" and then also "yeah I don't like Tom much" but maybe now that vezok has flipped town he will see Tom is really shady for that whole vaimes/vezok priority he decided to get going on. Then again maybe KJ is just sussing me to make scum think there is hope of someday mislynching me. Or maybe KJ just really hates me. I am not sure.
But first, Vaimes. This shouldn't take long. Although actually he had nearly 200 posts of uselessness, wow.
Vaimes first push is into KA.
Judging based off this the team is never exactly KA/Tom
KJ is probably not scum based off the angle of attack against Grapefruit Vaimes uses here:
Would surprise me if he attacked town so blatantly for an attack on a scum buddy.
Interesting angle about KA.
Tom day 1 from Vaimes iso:
Oops Tom failed.
Sheeps onto Lngrrr.
Votes Etr saying "this is correct" and says "Reaverb is town no matter what." iirc Etr is RE and Reaverb is now Highroller gosh it is hard not to assume both those slots are town. Both Vaimes and Anak took the exact same tact here and given the scum team we now know exists obviously RE's slot did not reveal a scum team of any sort so ... yeah there's just almost no way RE is scum here. Like, almost impossible unless this is some really next level stuff and I don't think it is next level because Vaimes and Anak weren't invested enough.
So hard town reads now look like:
Rodemy
Highroller
RE
With Tom/KA/KJJ/Lngrr being 2/4 scum if I am right.
Also tonally Vaimes treats KJ like town imo, but that's not definitive.
Does... anyone at all want to try to argue with me that this is never a bus line of thought? This is pretty classically "Look, I am advocating the correct play! You can't fault this for me later!" when the town dies a horrible death.
Oh wait, is Tau Higheroller's light? God early replacements are confusing me <_<. It doesn't matter Highroller is clear for a lot of reasons to me.
Boy that first line to KJ doesn't seem scum-scum to me. I am trying to keep an open mind but... liking my PoE of KA/Lngrr/Tom a lot!
And I already said I am not super keen on Tom/KA world so that means Lngrr not looking so hot right now!
Boy Vaimes continues to care a lot what KJ thinks as I read his iso.
Oh there is no ******* way this isn't RO3.
##vote: LnGR
Tom doesn't have anything benefiting him in this ISO at all so far but yeah I see that and just go "NOPE."
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I have a theory but I don't want to force additional claiming.
Also, I "avoided" your question because you asked about the set up. I don't know why mafia and town have overlapping roles. It just so happens sometimes.