Rhand is correct tho, town are more likely to be inconsistent and not up to date with every unlike scum who for the most part are way more self aware of their posts
I guess I won't be getting an apology for being correct then.
I don't believe this is theater and if it is I'll have to reevaluate e v e r y t h i n g.
Or just retire for not understanding anything anymore.
I'm sorry that I underestimated how poorly Rhand can play.
If you don't think that was the worst push onto me, with this claim dumbass thing when I've clearly stated something in this thread. Well, then I got words for you too.
Rhand is correct tho, town are more likely to be inconsistent and not up to date with every unlike scum who for the most part are way more self aware of their posts
Rhand is correct tho, town are more likely to be inconsistent and not up to date with every unlike scum who for the most part are way more self aware of their posts
Since I'm the exact opposite I heavily disagree.
i am too... Doesn't mean it's not more true than not
Tom’s reaction afterwards sounded very natural, and DV already having decided I don’t have a PR sadly makes sense, even though I really want him to be scum for his continuous bad pushes on me.
he's most likely not
I concur.
Tubba / Lngrr / Vezok / ...
Maybe GJ or Vaimes. Mind is an option too. And EtR.
I’m also not as sold on town!tom as I’m showing, but still leaning town.
I guess I won't be getting an apology for being correct then.
I don't believe this is theater and if it is I'll have to reevaluate e v e r y t h i n g.
Or just retire for not understanding anything anymore.
I'm sorry that I underestimated how poorly Rhand can play.
If you don't think that was the worst push onto me, with this claim dumbass thing when I've clearly stated something in this thread. Well, then I got words for you too.
I play waaaay worse as town when I’m being pushed. It distracts me and puts me in auto-omgus, which makes me waffle because I keep going back and forth in my reads on the ones pushing me.
I work better observing others pushing each other from the sidelines and I move in for the kill like I did with Grape and Kami this game.
You should after this game really review your stuff on me though. But step back first. There is a lot of nonsense in there, and you refuse to accept that when I point it out.
His push on you was bad. Doesn't make him scum. His claim shenanigans were silly and unlikely to do anything helpful. Doesn't make him scum. If he's town I'm quite convinced this was not a pure wagon or an all scum wagon but somewhere in between.
His push on you was bad. Doesn't make him scum. His claim shenanigans were silly and unlikely to do anything helpful. Doesn't make him scum. If he's town I'm quite convinced this was not a pure wagon or an all scum wagon but somewhere in between.
Thanks cpt obvious.
I hate this game, because assuming Rhand isn't ******* with me I need to reevaluate EVERYTHING.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Anyways DV: I feel like you should know your push on me is bad too. This goes both ways. And you called me dumbass. In caps. For not understanding me to booth. In this game you somehow never understood what I was saying and you’re blaming it on my poor play.
Let’s talk again when Kami and Tubba flip scum.
I’m gonna sleep now. When I wake up, I’ll be dead. I guess it’s only fittimg that after the Don dies, the first one to die next is his heir.
I wonder if flavor is going to appoint a new one.
If I die tonight (which seems simultaneously likely and unlikely) first targets would be making sure I'm confident on GJ/tom. I strongly suspect that exactly 1 is scum.
Mindreaver, EtR, and KA all need to be resolved as well. I sort of trust the town reads on EtR but I don't believe in the all low effort scum teams (KA, LnG, Tubba, KA, Mind, and Vez!slot [which has been trending up but still just qualifies]). I trust my town reads on Tau, KJ, Rod, and Vaimes, and almost trust it on Tubba.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Sure, that's why you suggested tom who never was close to getting wagoned. Sure. Not that I'm opposed to counterwagons being shot, I'd just strongly prefer counterwagons that weren't voting for Rhand as there actually aren't that many of those to sort.
Sure, that's why you suggested tom who never was close to getting wagoned. Sure. Not that I'm opposed to counterwagons being shot, I'd just strongly prefer counterwagons that weren't voting for Rhand as there actually aren't that many of those to sort.
As were you on mine. But given that you were off wagon and 1 of only 3 (4 if you doubt Tau but I don't) suspects off wagon I'd strongly consider going for it if it was up to me.
As were you on mine. But given that you were off wagon and 1 of only 3 (4 if you doubt Tau but I don't) suspects off wagon I'd strongly consider going for it if it was up to me.
I mean, I pretty clearly wanted LnGrrr today, but Rhand was wolfy enough that I don't feel bad about today.
It was only the first day and everyone in the house felt how the death of Enrico had shaken up the very foundations of the family. Distrust amongst family members and blood ties meant nothing. Everyone here had something to hide and something to gain from the death of Enrico. After all, Enrico had amassed a huge fortune during his life and that fortune was soon to be someone else's fortune. After all, the temptation of gaining billions of lira with a single death might've been too much to someone...
And that's probably the reason why everyone was starting the eldest son of Enrico, Alfonzo. After all, everyone here knew he was the heir to Enrico and would something nasty like a murder befall upon Enrico, all of this would belong to Alfonzo. Sure, Alfonzo never seemed like the person to do this for money, but everyone here knew that huge amounts of money can tempt people to do things that they normally wouldn't do. Stuff like murdering their one and only father.
Everyone seemed to agree on that Alfonzo was the one who gained the most with the death of his own father and would've had plenty of chances to perform the murder, people started to surround him without uttering a single word. They just stood there and stared at him. That was until someone plunged a knife into his back from the behind, before pulling it out for another strike. Few more strikes, and Alfonzo just fell down on the floor, coughing up blood for a moment before he finally stopped moving.
Rhand has been lynched! They were:
Alfonzo (TOWN)
You loved your father very much. And why not; as his eldest, you were the heir to his empire, and he treated you thusly. Oh he never coddled you, quite the opposite, he built you up to be strong, and capable of keeping everything in order. You know what has to be done; and who has to be kept in line.
Sure, you hear whispers sometimes. “You’ll never be as good as him” they say. Just not to your face, because you’d show them that you are. Regardless, it falls on you to keep things together, and you will. By any means necessary.
And then there is the matter of the family itself. Sure, you’re confident that you can keep the empire alive, but you’ve always struggled with the interpersonal relationships and family dealings. That is one thing you truly envied about your father. You admired his skills, his passion, his mind; but it was his ability to say exactly the right words to win or destroy people that you knew you’d never have. Everything else could be learned, but that... that was innate. You just hope you’ll have enough of the right words to get everything through this.
You have no abilities except for your vote.
You win when all threats to the town have been dealt with.
As it soon turned out, you had killed an innocent man who didn't play any part in the death of Enrico. Perhaps another day will bring you closer to catching the culprits, but before that, a good night's sleep is something that you all really need.
It's now Night 1. Day 2 will start in 48 hours.
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Also modgaming Bur setups is kind of treading down a dark path
After a long and restless night, people started gathering in the dining room not long after the sunrise. Usually, only servant were awake at that time, but the atmosphere of anxiety and distrust here made it sure that no one could really rest well as you never knew when someone might appear behind your bedroom's door with less noble intentions. The whole life-or-death atmosphere here made it sure that no one was getting any good rest and not getting rest made people even more grumpy and irritated. And you were still somehow supposed to root out the traitors with people like these, when everyone was ready to jump at anyone else's throat for even slightest thing. Great, just great...
It did not take a long while before one of the servants rushed into the dining room with a panicked look on her face.
"Oh God, everyone. Lady Oriana, s-she's... she's dead! Killed! KILLED!" cried the servant.
That was only it took for people to rush from the dining hall towards Oriana's room. After Enrico had died, Oriana had become de facto leader of the family before all the internal matters had been dealt with. While she hadn't much taken part of the mafia affairs back when his husband had been alive, after Enrico's death she knew she had to grab the reins to avoid greater chaos that might've ensued from Enrico's murder.
Still, it looked like that you had even more problems to deal with as you found her dead, bloody corpse on the hallway, only a couple of metres away from her own private quarter's door.
Lastwhisper has been found dead! They were:
Oriana (Town)
You have stood by faithfully to your husband at every turn, every snag, every horrifying moment. His rock, his support; yet privately, you’ve begged your husband for years now to let this all end. You’d had enough of the killing, enough dodging investigations, enough of everything. You wanted him to put it all behind him and live the rest of your lives in the comfort that had been amassed since the beginning.
Oh he promised you “just a few loose ends” or “getting close now”, but it was always one more thing. And now he was gone, and you had to stand by; a grieving widow, and watch as the infighting began. You think it’s just words, everyone angry and everyone else, but it hurts you more than you can bear anymore. You stand strong for everything you have for years. Let’s mourn the passing of a great man, and let it end.
But that is not to be. Maybe if you stand between them enough, you’ll make them see you, and see what has become of this. Or maybe they won’t see until you’re gone too. If that is what it costs, so be it.
You have the following abilities:
No one else: The death of your husband has lead you to be jaded by death, each night you may protect a player from death. If they were to die, instead, you die. I've lived long enough (passive): You cannot be protected by any means.
You win when all threats to the town have been dealt with.
With the yet another corpse in front of you being a clear sign of traitors still being present and hiding among you, another long day of debating and fighting began...
It's now Day 2. With 14 alive, it’s 8 to lynch. Deadline is on March 22nd.
Private Mod Note
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Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Quote from Prophylaxis »
Also modgaming Bur setups is kind of treading down a dark path
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm actually tempted to say that Kami and Tubba aren't aligned for pushing the EtR/Tau MUST be solved thing both. Both of them doing that as mafia seems... a little too obviously collusive.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Can you just drop your scum list again? I'll honor your memory
Just vig him.
I don't believe this is theater and if it is I'll have to reevaluate e v e r y t h i n g.
Or just retire for not understanding anything anymore.
I'm sorry that I underestimated how poorly Rhand can play.
If you don't think that was the worst push onto me, with this claim dumbass thing when I've clearly stated something in this thread. Well, then I got words for you too.
Since I'm the exact opposite I heavily disagree.
I concur.
Tubba / Lngrr / Vezok / ...
Maybe GJ or Vaimes. Mind is an option too. And EtR.
I’m also not as sold on town!tom as I’m showing, but still leaning town.
Grape / KJ / LW / tau are town
You're ******* fine mate.
If I think somethings a problem you'll know.
I'm just god damn pissed. Rhand literally knows he shouldn't be pushing me, and does so, and then tells me to "Play the game." Really?
Really?
Your feelings on rhand's scum list?
Can you reread grr? I highly suggest you do
I play waaaay worse as town when I’m being pushed. It distracts me and puts me in auto-omgus, which makes me waffle because I keep going back and forth in my reads on the ones pushing me.
I work better observing others pushing each other from the sidelines and I move in for the kill like I did with Grape and Kami this game.
You should after this game really review your stuff on me though. But step back first. There is a lot of nonsense in there, and you refuse to accept that when I point it out.
So yeh my guess would be Kami / Tubba / Lngr / Vezok.
Vezok might be omgus.
That was for tom and LW, not you.
Thanks cpt obvious.
I hate this game, because assuming Rhand isn't ******* with me I need to reevaluate EVERYTHING.
Let’s talk again when Kami and Tubba flip scum.
I wonder if flavor is going to appoint a new one.
Mindreaver, EtR, and KA all need to be resolved as well. I sort of trust the town reads on EtR but I don't believe in the all low effort scum teams (KA, LnG, Tubba, KA, Mind, and Vez!slot [which has been trending up but still just qualifies]). I trust my town reads on Tau, KJ, Rod, and Vaimes, and almost trust it on Tubba.
Same with Vezok
I'm gonna reread tubba, when I get a chance
@Tom
Can you make a case on Mind?
assume he is telling the truth, be pleasantly surprised if he flips wolf.
I would have hammered him if LW didn't.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
fixed.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Pretzel day always comes Tom.
No, not even close.
vig should be shooting counterwagoms.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Sure, that's why you suggested tom who never was close to getting wagoned. Sure. Not that I'm opposed to counterwagons being shot, I'd just strongly prefer counterwagons that weren't voting for Rhand as there actually aren't that many of those to sort.
Who was the first name on my list?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I mean, I pretty clearly wanted LnGrrr today, but Rhand was wolfy enough that I don't feel bad about today.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
It was only the first day and everyone in the house felt how the death of Enrico had shaken up the very foundations of the family. Distrust amongst family members and blood ties meant nothing. Everyone here had something to hide and something to gain from the death of Enrico. After all, Enrico had amassed a huge fortune during his life and that fortune was soon to be someone else's fortune. After all, the temptation of gaining billions of lira with a single death might've been too much to someone...
And that's probably the reason why everyone was starting the eldest son of Enrico, Alfonzo. After all, everyone here knew he was the heir to Enrico and would something nasty like a murder befall upon Enrico, all of this would belong to Alfonzo. Sure, Alfonzo never seemed like the person to do this for money, but everyone here knew that huge amounts of money can tempt people to do things that they normally wouldn't do. Stuff like murdering their one and only father.
Everyone seemed to agree on that Alfonzo was the one who gained the most with the death of his own father and would've had plenty of chances to perform the murder, people started to surround him without uttering a single word. They just stood there and stared at him. That was until someone plunged a knife into his back from the behind, before pulling it out for another strike. Few more strikes, and Alfonzo just fell down on the floor, coughing up blood for a moment before he finally stopped moving.
Rhand has been lynched! They were:
You loved your father very much. And why not; as his eldest, you were the heir to his empire, and he treated you thusly. Oh he never coddled you, quite the opposite, he built you up to be strong, and capable of keeping everything in order. You know what has to be done; and who has to be kept in line.
Sure, you hear whispers sometimes. “You’ll never be as good as him” they say. Just not to your face, because you’d show them that you are. Regardless, it falls on you to keep things together, and you will. By any means necessary.
And then there is the matter of the family itself. Sure, you’re confident that you can keep the empire alive, but you’ve always struggled with the interpersonal relationships and family dealings. That is one thing you truly envied about your father. You admired his skills, his passion, his mind; but it was his ability to say exactly the right words to win or destroy people that you knew you’d never have. Everything else could be learned, but that... that was innate. You just hope you’ll have enough of the right words to get everything through this.
You have no abilities except for your vote.
You win when all threats to the town have been dealt with.
As it soon turned out, you had killed an innocent man who didn't play any part in the death of Enrico. Perhaps another day will bring you closer to catching the culprits, but before that, a good night's sleep is something that you all really need.
It's now Night 1. Day 2 will start in 48 hours.
After a long and restless night, people started gathering in the dining room not long after the sunrise. Usually, only servant were awake at that time, but the atmosphere of anxiety and distrust here made it sure that no one could really rest well as you never knew when someone might appear behind your bedroom's door with less noble intentions. The whole life-or-death atmosphere here made it sure that no one was getting any good rest and not getting rest made people even more grumpy and irritated. And you were still somehow supposed to root out the traitors with people like these, when everyone was ready to jump at anyone else's throat for even slightest thing. Great, just great...
It did not take a long while before one of the servants rushed into the dining room with a panicked look on her face.
"Oh God, everyone. Lady Oriana, s-she's... she's dead! Killed! KILLED!" cried the servant.
That was only it took for people to rush from the dining hall towards Oriana's room. After Enrico had died, Oriana had become de facto leader of the family before all the internal matters had been dealt with. While she hadn't much taken part of the mafia affairs back when his husband had been alive, after Enrico's death she knew she had to grab the reins to avoid greater chaos that might've ensued from Enrico's murder.
Still, it looked like that you had even more problems to deal with as you found her dead, bloody corpse on the hallway, only a couple of metres away from her own private quarter's door.
Lastwhisper has been found dead! They were:
You have stood by faithfully to your husband at every turn, every snag, every horrifying moment. His rock, his support; yet privately, you’ve begged your husband for years now to let this all end. You’d had enough of the killing, enough dodging investigations, enough of everything. You wanted him to put it all behind him and live the rest of your lives in the comfort that had been amassed since the beginning.
Oh he promised you “just a few loose ends” or “getting close now”, but it was always one more thing. And now he was gone, and you had to stand by; a grieving widow, and watch as the infighting began. You think it’s just words, everyone angry and everyone else, but it hurts you more than you can bear anymore. You stand strong for everything you have for years. Let’s mourn the passing of a great man, and let it end.
But that is not to be. Maybe if you stand between them enough, you’ll make them see you, and see what has become of this. Or maybe they won’t see until you’re gone too. If that is what it costs, so be it.
You have the following abilities:
No one else: The death of your husband has lead you to be jaded by death, each night you may protect a player from death. If they were to die, instead, you die.
I've lived long enough (passive): You cannot be protected by any means.
You win when all threats to the town have been dealt with.
With the yet another corpse in front of you being a clear sign of traitors still being present and hiding among you, another long day of debating and fighting began...
It's now Day 2. With 14 alive, it’s 8 to lynch. Deadline is on March 22nd.
Vote LnGR
KamikazeArchon (2): LnGrrrR, Grapefruit21
LnGrrrR (1): Gentleman Johnny
EtR (1): M1ndreaver
Tubba Fett (1): Killjoy
D_V (1): Rhand
Not Voting (1): Reaverb Tau
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Ehhh @ the front half of that wagon. All town? Might have to reread Kamikaze and Tubba, especially if EtR is town. Pretty okay with DV.
vezok is less of a townread with Rhand being town, Rod is gone, tom is weirdly worked up.
In the easy world, GJ/LnGR/Mind/Reaverb likely has two scum.
I want to put GJ > Tau but he had like, no relevant posts after people stopped caring about EtR.
Also a mafia theory question to whoever knows: Whats the likelyhood that a mafia plants a vote on town then just leaves it there all day?