You're wrong DV. My view on this game is a very normal one with some strong scum reads, quite some strong town reads and a bunch of people in the middle.
And it's all original thought.
Are we near deadline?
This day absolutely cant end in a no lynch
Im not gonna have time to catch up til the weekend
Will wagon most people tbh. Gj>mind>>>lngrr/rhand/etr/whoever the **** preference but we just need someone
@GJ, didn't you say Tom openly wolfing wouldn't be that surprising? Just didn't think you would assign TWTBW to Tom.
Also, what about KJ outing Grape early makes him scummy, as opposed to just making a poor play as town? You even said it is likely that Grape and KJ are likely NK targets, which implies you think they are town/town.
@Grape, I explained it earlier in the thread, but tldr is that I think GJ asking DV to go after you is so he can distance himself from the attack if people call him out on it.
You're wrong DV. My view on this game is a very normal one with some strong scum reads, quite some strong town reads and a bunch of people in the middle.
And it's all original thought.
Which lists Riku and Vezok the SAME person in two different slots.
It just speaks to how little care and our thought you've put into the game.
You've ham fisted KJ grape at the Top, followed by Tau and have inexplicably moved EtR to town.
Everything you've said about me and Vezok is waffly as ***** as then you push Tubba, for being "Waffley" which that list was not. In fact I'd say that list has more analysis then your entire Iso. Which is saying something.
All you've done is quote things and restate more and more facts. On top of that, when asked to case you go for Tubba. Not Me, not Lngr, Not Kami.
Tubba.
You've said basically nothing about Lngr either, and instead of taking a moment to case Kami, you just ignore him despite claiming he's your strongest scum read.
@Rhand
What do you mean by “naked vote”? My reasoning on voting EtR was pretty well established in thread prior to my vote.
Also see my 605 and 772, two posts that reference you that you completely ignored.
You're wrong DV. My view on this game is a very normal one with some strong scum reads, quite some strong town reads and a bunch of people in the middle.
And it's all original thought.
Which lists Riku and Vezok the SAME person in two different slots.
It just speaks to how little care and our thought you've put into the game.
You've ham fisted KJ grape at the Top, followed by Tau and have inexplicably moved EtR to town.
Everything you've said about me and Vezok is waffly as ***** as then you push Tubba, for being "Waffley" which that list was not. In fact I'd say that list has more analysis then your entire Iso. Which is saying something.
All you've done is quote things and restate more and more facts. On top of that, when asked to case you go for Tubba. Not Me, not Lngr, Not Kami.
Tubba.
You've said basically nothing about Lngr either, and instead of taking a moment to case Kami, you just ignore him despite claiming he's your strongest scum read.
You're scum.
I have gone back and looked at Rhand and i follow d_v's thought process on him.
Vote Rhand
Back to packing. :/
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@GJ, didn't you say Tom openly wolfing wouldn't be that surprising? Just didn't think you would assign TWTBW to Tom.
Also, what about KJ outing Grape early makes him scummy, as opposed to just making a poor play as town? You even said it is likely that Grape and KJ are likely NK targets, which implies you think they are town/town.
@Grape, I explained it earlier in the thread, but tldr is that I think GJ asking DV to go after you is so he can distance himself from the attack if people call him out on it.
tom is better than that as a wolf. Maybe I am looking into it too much, but it's giving me pause.
As to why it's a poor play, any one who has played mafia for more than a month knows it's bad play. It comes off as a distraction, like what possible reason do we have to listen to that? That's the issue. What's the point of this series of questions, do you have an issue with Rhand, and if so, who do you recommend?
@GJ, no, I mean what makes that play SCUMMY, as opposed to just being poor town play?
And if you think KJ'S Grape thing was a distraction, then why do you have a town read on Tau, who completely abandoned his reads on a gambit and hasn't done much since?
On my list, i think the best chance of a wagon actually happening on a scumread is Kami. If deadline hits (speaking of which, if people would be nice and PM for an extension thanks in advance), then I would vote Rhand over a no lynch.
I don't think Rhand is scum. And I hate DV making the arguement of "you listed riku and Vez is different places=scummy." I haven't found a correlation between sloppiness and and scum in my career and find it especially uncompelling for a player returning from V/LA.
I see the case claiming a lack of analysis in a big catch up/reread wall and think the same thing. I don't expect town to do in depth analysis when diving back into the game. The lack of deep reading later is more suspicious than it lacking in that post.
I hate the idea of an extension, and I don’t understand why we need/want one.
Because my Excel class sucks and I would like the weekend to make a good vote. And I am not the only one who has been having trouble finding time to post.
Also, Rodemy's weak hop onto Rhand there is yet another reason people should not be voting that wagon.
Are we near deadline?
This day absolutely cant end in a no lynch
Im not gonna have time to catch up til the weekend
Will wagon most people tbh. Gj>mind>>>lngrr/rhand/etr/whoever the **** preference but we just need someone
Will pop back in in a bit
This is so fake. You know very well it's nearly deadline.
I don't think Rhand is scum. And I hate DV making the arguement of "you listed riku and Vez is different places=scummy." I haven't found a correlation between sloppiness and and scum in my career and find it especially uncompelling for a player returning from V/LA.
I see the case claiming a lack of analysis in a big catch up/reread wall and think the same thing. I don't expect town to do in depth analysis when diving back into the game. The lack of deep reading later is more suspicious than it lacking in that post.
He's been back for a while
What are you smoking.
He's made multiple posts about multiple things.
Grape what reality are you living in? Because it ain't planet Earth.
Don't see the correlation with your post and Grape's post
And I actually agree with Grape's first statement
Grape is claiming that Rhand is getting back into it so, his posts shouldn't show as much.
Rhand has been back for multiple IRL days and posted multiple wall ish posts.
By posting multiple Wallish posts Rhand has shown that he should be taking care with his posts.
Rhand has shown he is not, because he's just looking for things that he can use to drive his own false cases.
Rhand is scum.
Grape is not scum for this defense, but not living on planet Earth. Because Grape's EXACT defense of Rhand with his also "I'd be worried if X happened is EXACTLY what happened"
I don't think Rhand is scum. And I hate DV making the arguement of "you listed riku and Vez is different places=scummy." I haven't found a correlation between sloppiness and and scum in my career and find it especially uncompelling for a player returning from V/LA.
I see the case claiming a lack of analysis in a big catch up/reread wall and think the same thing. I don't expect town to do in depth analysis when diving back into the game. The lack of deep reading later is more suspicious than it lacking in that post.
If that's the only thing you got from DV's post...
Are we near deadline?
This day absolutely cant end in a no lynch
Im not gonna have time to catch up til the weekend
Will wagon most people tbh. Gj>mind>>>lngrr/rhand/etr/whoever the **** preference but we just need someone
Will pop back in in a bit
This is so fake. You know very well it's nearly deadline.
I don't think Rhand is scum. And I hate DV making the arguement of "you listed riku and Vez is different places=scummy." I haven't found a correlation between sloppiness and and scum in my career and find it especially uncompelling for a player returning from V/LA.
I see the case claiming a lack of analysis in a big catch up/reread wall and think the same thing. I don't expect town to do in depth analysis when diving back into the game. The lack of deep reading later is more suspicious than it lacking in that post.
If that's the only thing you got from DV's post...
Yeah its what ever grape isn't reading anything I post and just picking and choosing.
Anyway sarcasm aside that wasn't my only takeaway from your post and yes he's been back multiple IRL days. But your key point was drawn from a post when he was first catching up. I even acknowledged that I'd feel better if he had done more in depth reading since then, but by all means keeping attacking my skill as a player and ignoring half my points because it doesn't suit your narrative.
But seriously your case sucks. A big point is that it's hamfisted to put KJ and myself at the top. Which is a ridiculous point to make and applies to roughly 2/3 of the game. Having a player out a N0 check requires "hamfisted" reads.
Your point of him choosing to case Tubba being a red flag is baffling. Tubba is one of his top scum reads, was at one stage a popular wagon and is someone there was a ton of discussion around. It's not like he chose to go case LW or someone irrelevant. Your case is basically just you yelling at Rhand for not playing how you would. You've shown zero evidence of a scum mindset, just listed a bunch of stuff you don't like about the way he's played the game.
And you've ignored my points about his dumping the verb meta read of me as strongly indicating a town mindset.
I don't think Rhand is scum. And I hate DV making the arguement of "you listed riku and Vez is different places=scummy." I haven't found a correlation between sloppiness and and scum in my career and find it especially uncompelling for a player returning from V/LA.
I see the case claiming a lack of analysis in a big catch up/reread wall and think the same thing. I don't expect town to do in depth analysis when diving back into the game. The lack of deep reading later is more suspicious than it lacking in that post.
If that's the only thing you got from DV's post...
Yeah its what ever grape isn't reading anything I post and just picking and choosing.
Also this is kind of the point of the game. Going through a sea of content and finding the relevant stuff to focus on. I found that point to be utterly useless so I called you out over it. You found his being careless and choosing to case a scum read of his more notable than his early game play so you mentioned the former but not the latter. It's almost like we all pick and choose all the time.
Claim time I guess.
I am Alfonzo. The oldest son. My flavor talks about how I was brought up as heir, harsh sometimes but preparing me for the future.
I envy my father’s skill with handling people and hope I can find the right words to keep the family together.
Are we near deadline?
This day absolutely cant end in a no lynch
Im not gonna have time to catch up til the weekend
Will wagon most people tbh. Gj>mind>>>lngrr/rhand/etr/whoever the **** preference but we just need someone
Will pop back in in a bit
This is so fake. You know very well it's nearly deadline.
******* excuse me?
Its not in the OP or day start post, ive barely read anything this week because 90 hour workweek setting up a musical, theres no reason to fake that anyway, and the only reason i knew was because someone (might have been you) posted something right around my last popin that it was coming up.
If i did have the free time and brainpower to know ***** like the votecount and deadline, id be posting. And my alignment doesnt ******* matter towards that.
So **** you buddy
But i see from votecount its less than a day away, and rhand seems a perfectly good lynch since i still cant put in the work to push obvscum johnny and mind. (Yes, thats hyperbole. No one is obvscum atp but those are my most likely rn)
Claim time I guess.
I am Alfonzo. The oldest son. My flavor talks about how I was brought up as heir, harsh sometimes but preparing me for the future.
I envy my father’s skill with handling people and hope I can find the right words to keep the family together.
Doesn't say town in your name?
JK I know it doesn't.
And I know you're scum for pushing someone else for that.
Claim time I guess.
I am Alfonzo. The oldest son. My flavor talks about how I was brought up as heir, harsh sometimes but preparing me for the future.
I envy my father’s skill with handling people and hope I can find the right words to keep the family together.
Doesn't say town in your name?
JK I know it doesn't.
And I know you're scum for pushing someone else for that.
It does. In capital letters.
And no, that’s not why I thought EtR botched his claim.
I think I just outed you as scum here though. Let’s see if someone can figure out why.
@Tubba: sorry. You did indeed spend a whole sentence on EtR before your vote, saying you wanted him dead.
Claim time I guess.
I am Alfonzo. The oldest son. My flavor talks about how I was brought up as heir, harsh sometimes but preparing me for the future.
I envy my father’s skill with handling people and hope I can find the right words to keep the family together.
Doesn't say town in your name?
JK I know it doesn't.
And I know you're scum for pushing someone else for that.
It does. In capital letters.
And no, that’s not why I thought EtR botched his claim. I think I just outed you as scum here though. Let’s see if someone can figure out why.
@Tubba: sorry. You did indeed spend a whole sentence on EtR before your vote, saying you wanted him dead.
Translation I don't actually have a reason I'm just hoping someone else does my work for me.
And it's all original thought.
This day absolutely cant end in a no lynch
Im not gonna have time to catch up til the weekend
Will wagon most people tbh. Gj>mind>>>lngrr/rhand/etr/whoever the **** preference but we just need someone
Will pop back in in a bit
Also, what about KJ outing Grape early makes him scummy, as opposed to just making a poor play as town? You even said it is likely that Grape and KJ are likely NK targets, which implies you think they are town/town.
@Grape, I explained it earlier in the thread, but tldr is that I think GJ asking DV to go after you is so he can distance himself from the attack if people call him out on it.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
I'm sorry but when you post read lists such as
Kami, Tubba > Vezok, Lngr, DV > Riku, GJ, mind, Vaimes > EtR >>> Rodemy, tau, tom, LW >> Kj, Grape
Which lists Riku and Vezok the SAME person in two different slots.
It just speaks to how little care and our thought you've put into the game.
You've ham fisted KJ grape at the Top, followed by Tau and have inexplicably moved EtR to town.
Everything you've said about me and Vezok is waffly as ***** as then you push Tubba, for being "Waffley" which that list was not. In fact I'd say that list has more analysis then your entire Iso. Which is saying something.
All you've done is quote things and restate more and more facts. On top of that, when asked to case you go for Tubba. Not Me, not Lngr, Not Kami.
Tubba.
You've said basically nothing about Lngr either, and instead of taking a moment to case Kami, you just ignore him despite claiming he's your strongest scum read.
You're scum.
What do you mean by “naked vote”? My reasoning on voting EtR was pretty well established in thread prior to my vote.
Also see my 605 and 772, two posts that reference you that you completely ignored.
I have gone back and looked at Rhand and i follow d_v's thought process on him.
Vote Rhand
Back to packing. :/
tom is better than that as a wolf. Maybe I am looking into it too much, but it's giving me pause.
As to why it's a poor play, any one who has played mafia for more than a month knows it's bad play. It comes off as a distraction, like what possible reason do we have to listen to that? That's the issue. What's the point of this series of questions, do you have an issue with Rhand, and if so, who do you recommend?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Where does your suspicion of LW come from?
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
try me...
And if you think KJ'S Grape thing was a distraction, then why do you have a town read on Tau, who completely abandoned his reads on a gambit and hasn't done much since?
On my list, i think the best chance of a wagon actually happening on a scumread is Kami. If deadline hits (speaking of which, if people would be nice and PM for an extension thanks in advance), then I would vote Rhand over a no lynch.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
I see the case claiming a lack of analysis in a big catch up/reread wall and think the same thing. I don't expect town to do in depth analysis when diving back into the game. The lack of deep reading later is more suspicious than it lacking in that post.
Because my Excel class sucks and I would like the weekend to make a good vote. And I am not the only one who has been having trouble finding time to post.
Also, Rodemy's weak hop onto Rhand there is yet another reason people should not be voting that wagon.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
He's been back for a while
What are you smoking.
He's made multiple posts about multiple things.
Grape what reality are you living in? Because it ain't planet Earth.
And I actually agree with Grape's first statement
Grape is claiming that Rhand is getting back into it so, his posts shouldn't show as much.
Rhand has been back for multiple IRL days and posted multiple wall ish posts.
By posting multiple Wallish posts Rhand has shown that he should be taking care with his posts.
Rhand has shown he is not, because he's just looking for things that he can use to drive his own false cases.
Rhand is scum.
Grape is not scum for this defense, but not living on planet Earth. Because Grape's EXACT defense of Rhand with his also "I'd be worried if X happened is EXACTLY what happened"
If that's the only thing you got from DV's post...
The GJ way path to no lynching:
This might Kami's towniest post.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Yeah its what ever grape isn't reading anything I post and just picking and choosing.
DV, what do you mean by that? As in he should be more careful with what he posts?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Making mistakes such as listing one person as two people IE listing Riku and Vezok shows lack of care.
So yes? But not in a way of not making himself look scummy. As in a way of lets make sure what I'm saying is right.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
It's almost like being utterly careful isn't inherently a townie trait. Who wudda thunk it?
But seriously your case sucks. A big point is that it's hamfisted to put KJ and myself at the top. Which is a ridiculous point to make and applies to roughly 2/3 of the game. Having a player out a N0 check requires "hamfisted" reads.
Your point of him choosing to case Tubba being a red flag is baffling. Tubba is one of his top scum reads, was at one stage a popular wagon and is someone there was a ton of discussion around. It's not like he chose to go case LW or someone irrelevant. Your case is basically just you yelling at Rhand for not playing how you would. You've shown zero evidence of a scum mindset, just listed a bunch of stuff you don't like about the way he's played the game.
And you've ignored my points about his dumping the verb meta read of me as strongly indicating a town mindset.
Also this is kind of the point of the game. Going through a sea of content and finding the relevant stuff to focus on. I found that point to be utterly useless so I called you out over it. You found his being careless and choosing to case a scum read of his more notable than his early game play so you mentioned the former but not the latter. It's almost like we all pick and choose all the time.
Rhand (7): EtR, D_V, Vaimes, KamikazeArchon, Tubba Fett, Vezokpiraka, Rodemy
KamikazeArchon (4): Rhand, LnGrrrR, Grapefruit21, Lastwhisper
LnGrrrR (1): Gentleman Johnny
Gentleman Johnny (1): tomsloger
EtR (1): M1ndreaver
Tubba Fett (1): Killjoy
Not Voting (1): Reaverb Tau
V/LA: KamikazeArchon (March 8th - 10th), Rodemy (March 11th - 17th)
With 16 alive, it’s 9 to lynch. Deadline is on March 8th, 7 PM GMT. (20 h 54 min from this post!)
I am Alfonzo. The oldest son. My flavor talks about how I was brought up as heir, harsh sometimes but preparing me for the future.
I envy my father’s skill with handling people and hope I can find the right words to keep the family together.
I'm done talking to you till the day ends.
You're wrong. You're tunneled.
You're going to owe me an apology when this game ends.
Its not in the OP or day start post, ive barely read anything this week because 90 hour workweek setting up a musical, theres no reason to fake that anyway, and the only reason i knew was because someone (might have been you) posted something right around my last popin that it was coming up.
If i did have the free time and brainpower to know ***** like the votecount and deadline, id be posting. And my alignment doesnt ******* matter towards that.
So **** you buddy
But i see from votecount its less than a day away, and rhand seems a perfectly good lynch since i still cant put in the work to push obvscum johnny and mind. (Yes, thats hyperbole. No one is obvscum atp but those are my most likely rn)
Doesn't say town in your name?
JK I know it doesn't.
And I know you're scum for pushing someone else for that.
Whatever. I blame the asbestos and dust in this bull***** old theater.
Whatever list i last posted is still my opinion, because i haven't read enough to change.
Everyone can get bent.
vote rhand
That claim that just ninjaed [me getting angry] does nothing and i dont particularly want to lynch kami even though hes the worst
Im coming in hot d2.
Lngrr looks like he could br rhands buddy based on the shading his wagon post but ******* whatever
Moving on...
Dont mess with me
It does. In capital letters.
And no, that’s not why I thought EtR botched his claim.
I think I just outed you as scum here though. Let’s see if someone can figure out why.
@Tubba: sorry. You did indeed spend a whole sentence on EtR before your vote, saying you wanted him dead.
Just to see if this can happen. In spirit still on the Kami wagon.
Translation I don't actually have a reason I'm just hoping someone else does my work for me.
Thats a ***** vote on my top town im glad i put you to L-1
Trust me I do have a reason. And it’s L-2.
Are you drunk?