@Tom
Where do you go if I flip scum? Does that clear up anything regarding Tau/EtR? If you take EtR’s claim that I was one of his intended scum outs, and it’s true, do you not need to flip EtR next? If I flip town where do you go? What does that mean for EtR’s list? I don’t understand how we don’t need an EtR flip, what is the logic behind not uncovering him?
This is a weird line of questioning. Why ask someone about their reads after you flip scum yourself?
Sounds like you are going to flip scum and you want him to lynch EtR when you do.
@grape
I'm honestly at the same thought process as Tom, if ETR flips scum, I think there's a high chance of w/w with kami, and even if ETR is town, I still think based on his tunnel on me and how he handled the game it is just so scummy, I'm also biased because I know that if ETR flips scum, that dude is gunning for me first, and that's a mislynch waiting to happen...
Kami is scummy on an individual level, but I think the way he handled the the situation can come from w/w or v/w
@Tom
Where do you go if I flip scum? Does that clear up anything regarding Tau/EtR? If you take EtR’s claim that I was one of his intended scum outs, and it’s true, do you not need to flip EtR next? If I flip town where do you go? What does that mean for EtR’s list? I don’t understand how we don’t need an EtR flip, what is the logic behind not uncovering him?
This is a weird line of questioning. Why ask someone about their reads after you flip scum yourself?
Sounds like you are going to flip scum and you want him to lynch EtR when you do.
That’s a pretty reductive view of my question, and it conveniently sidesteps it whilst shading me. Is critical thinking so abhorrent here that the suggestion of doing it results in a scumread?
KJ - I was reading your breadcrumbs early, and I actually thought you were going to counterclaim the neighbors (I thought you were nieghbors with Grape before Tau did his thing; hence why I was asking you about it specifically), but the grape reveal makes more sense.
Grape - Cleared by KJ, who I believe
Whisper - Could be powerwolfing, but we've mind melded enough on Kami and ETR/Tau that I'm fairly confident you're town.
Tom - I'm pretty sure you're town, but I'm waiting for your argument against me before commenting further here. There is one point that I want to see if you address.
Rhand - I had you higher as a townread, but I don't quite know what D_V's attack on your signifies. Gut feel was scum busing.
GJ/LnGrrR/Tubba/Vaimes/Rodemy - Nulls for now.
D_V - Your entrance was a vast improvement in the slot, but I have to say "remember when" is the lowest form of conversation. Instead of taking on Tau/ETR with your own opinions, you're telling us about all the other games and gambits and other people's opinions. That doesn't ring true for me.
Riku - I had you lower, because I wasn't a fan of the interactions early with whisper. Specifically your defense of his meta read against you. But since then, you're been MIA, so you can stay just below my nulls for now.
Tau - The only thing keeping you from my scum pile is that I think ETR is more likely scum between the two of you. Both of you definitely lied, and neither of you played that the way I'd hope town does. Up until your claim, I had you in the nulls.
ETR - I do not think you would be dumb enough to vommit out your partners, so there is that. However, even considering that list is wine, I don't know what giving that list accomplishes as town. Did you expect to see scum!tau partner those people? What was your claim going to look like later? Your defense of that list, seems be boiled down to: The lists can't be right because of math/etc, therefore I'm town. Which I don't buy. I think that assumes that scum you wouldn't make up a BS list. The answer wasn't as important as the reason it was given at all.
Kami - I explained this already, but he's so focused on Tau being town and ETR being scum, and "winning the game on day one" that it screams of inside knowledge. Even disregarding the facts that the team he says he's 90% sure of, can't possibly be the right team (from his perspective). I don't see him looking at all the options and giving them thought. Looks like scum distancing from ETR who is likely going down; and if true might give some towncred to Tau/Tubba (because I don't think ETR give us a real team either way you signaled it).
Re-reading Rodemy, Rhand, and LnGrrR atm.
Again, my opinion of this game right now, is that we need to resolve the ETR/Tau situation. My concern is that even if I had my #1 choice (Kami) dead today, I think the mafia just kills somebody in GJ/D_V/Vaimes/Rod/LnGrrR/Tubba; and we have to rehash all the same arguments tomorrow. I would rather analyze results from ETR's flip tomorrow. And yes, I do think ETR is more likely scum than Tau.
In either your read on Tau or ETR you said, can you expand on that?
Though I really dislike how you somehow
I hate how you used DV in your thoughts on Rhand
I'm also interested in your thoughts on Grr, just because I think he's being typical scum, pop in, just echos, no real stances, just calls the focus on me bad, which is just pure shade, don't know if that was his intention, but that's how it came off to me
I hate how mindreaver is pushing that we need to solve the ETR/Tau thing.
No, no we don't. Its also clear he didn't read diddly squat of what I read, because I've argued a lot more then what he said I did. I used the opinion of Sir Chris and the "Remember when" as supplemental material.
Again, my opinion of this game right now, is that we need to resolve the ETR/Tau situation. My concern is that even if I had my #1 choice (Kami) dead today, I think the mafia just kills somebody in GJ/D_V/Vaimes/Rod/LnGrrR/Tubba; and we have to rehash all the same arguments tomorrow. I would rather analyze results from ETR's flip tomorrow. And yes, I do think ETR is more likely scum than Tau.
that statement in the middle about who mafia would kill just kinda pings me as well, why would we have to rehash all the arguments, and why did GJ get added in there? Also why those 6 anyways? And again, flipping someone is not the only way to analysis them, it's just poor and scummy play, to say, "I'd rather not Lynch him today, but rather tomorrow" now if you think about it this way, "I'd rather not Lynch him today, because he's an easy mislynch tomorrow", would that not ping you, without or without mislynch added in there, it still just feels like that...
Kami - I explained this already, but he's so focused on Tau being town and ETR being scum, and "winning the game on day one" that it screams of inside knowledge. Even disregarding the facts that the team he says he's 90% sure of, can't possibly be the right team (from his perspective).
Kami - I explained this already, but he's so focused on Tau being town and ETR being scum, and "winning the game on day one" that it screams of inside knowledge. Even disregarding the facts that the team he says he's 90% sure of, can't possibly be the right team (from his perspective).
What? Why can't that team be the right team?
well for one, I'm town, so that's one reason, another would be that I believe tom is town, Rhand is starting to go down on the tier list
I am going to be extremely disappointed if Tau literally solved the game D1 and we throw it away because people aren't willing to believe it.
the fact that you jumped on the Gambit so easily, just disgusting... And then your like, let's Lynch ETR, re-evaluate after his flip, let's Lynch someone else in his Lynch, then re-evaluate after his flip, what town thinks like this... I lost my last game to level-0 thinking like this
Go show me something that pings you from ETR, Tom, and Rhand, that has nothing to do with the Gambit made by Tau
I hate how mindreaver is pushing that we need to solve the ETR/Tau thing.
No, no we don't. Its also clear he didn't read diddly squat of what I read, because I've argued a lot more then what he said I did. I used the opinion of Sir Chris and the "Remember when" as supplemental material.
No, you used it to muddy the waters. Half the posts were about a game you played with Tom, neutrals winning with scum, and how TOM would behave in a similar situation, and how Sir Chris felt about it. I'm happy to re-read, but all that extra stuff is just so much fluff. It literally doesn't matter when you and tom did in another game. Show me what ETR or Tau would do; or examples where they've run a gambit; those would be relevant.
A more productive question for you is probably: Why don't we have to solve Tau/ETR? What makes killing Rhand better?
In either your read on Tau or ETR you said, can you expand on that?
Though I really dislike how you somehow
I hate how you used DV in your thoughts on Rhand
I'm also interested in your thoughts on Grr, just because I think he's being typical scum, pop in, just echos, no real stances, just calls the focus on me bad, which is just pure shade, don't know if that was his intention, but that's how it came off to me
Tau self-admitted to lying (deceiving) ETR that he's scum. It's the first thing he did. If I consider that he's really scum trying to trick ETR into incriminating himself so he can spew to the thread what he found, that also would be a lie.
ETR also self-admitted to lying in his response. In the scenarios that he's scum, I don't think he's stupid enough to fall for this, and spew the whole team. In scenarios where he's town, he lied about being scum and what the team was.
So neither been truthful, and if they both end up town here; both are to blame.
As for my Rhand read, D_V replacing in and immediately going after Rhand seemed... strange to me. At this point, it's unlikely that a Rhand wagon gets any traction, so scum reading him and voting him have NO consequences. The only reason I can see for doing that, would be if they were scum partners. That's reflecting in my read. It's obviously a thing that D_V could just be doing something I don't fully understand. So at this point it takes Rhand from blue to light blue.
Kami - I explained this already, but he's so focused on Tau being town and ETR being scum, and "winning the game on day one" that it screams of inside knowledge. Even disregarding the facts that the team he says he's 90% sure of, can't possibly be the right team (from his perspective).
What? Why can't that team be the right team?
well for one, I'm town, so that's one reason, another would be that I believe tom is town, Rhand is starting to go down on the tier list
Mindreaver said that from my perspective it couldn't possibly be the right team and I don't see why that would be.
Again, my opinion of this game right now, is that we need to resolve the ETR/Tau situation. My concern is that even if I had my #1 choice (Kami) dead today, I think the mafia just kills somebody in GJ/D_V/Vaimes/Rod/LnGrrR/Tubba; and we have to rehash all the same arguments tomorrow. I would rather analyze results from ETR's flip tomorrow. And yes, I do think ETR is more likely scum than Tau.
that statement in the middle about who mafia would kill just kinda pings me as well, why would we have to rehash all the arguments, and why did GJ get added in there? Also why those 6 anyways? And again, flipping someone is not the only way to analysis them, it's just poor and scummy play, to say, "I'd rather not Lynch him today, but rather tomorrow" now if you think about it this way, "I'd rather not Lynch him today, because he's an easy mislynch tomorrow", would that not ping you, without or without mislynch added in there, it still just feels like that...
GJ is in there because that slot hasn't posted once. So it gives us nothing tomorrow that we don't have today. Same with D_V, and to a lesser extent the rest. I mean we could get lucky and they'll kill you, and then we'll have all kinds of interactions.
Also, I'm not saying I don't want to lynch Kami right now. If I'm completely candid about it, I doubt we get him today. I don't have the town credentials to push the case (which is my own fault). I think the better play is to resolve ETR. That gives us more to work with tomorrow. And I think we'd re-hash it to death. Just look at how many people did the WW >> VW >> VV >> WV charts. Like, I get that we're all on a mission to show our thoughts, but it's just gonna go on and on and on. If GJ doesn't come in with the same block of text, I'll eat my hat.
I can see where it looks like I'm setting up mislynches. That wasn't my intent, but that's wine. I guess if we have kami flip town you guys can just kill me next.
I'll argue "that both are to blame" is not a good way of thinking, but I ended up tunneling hard on two town players because of how they chose to play the game, so I'm a hypocrite
Your Rhand explanation still doesn't help me at all, and I still think it's dumb
Ya they are both liars, liars are bad, let's Lynch them, plz get this line of thinking out of your head, and I'm not saying you want to bury them, but wtf is that thought process...
I'll agree that ETR playing a long was weird, but I can't see how you can compare what ETR and Tau did as simply just lying... If anything Tau had a reason for his lie, and ETR did not, at least his explanation for why he did it was not that good
Kami - I explained this already, but he's so focused on Tau being town and ETR being scum, and "winning the game on day one" that it screams of inside knowledge. Even disregarding the facts that the team he says he's 90% sure of, can't possibly be the right team (from his perspective).
What? Why can't that team be the right team?
well for one, I'm town, so that's one reason, another would be that I believe tom is town, Rhand is starting to go down on the tier list
Mindreaver said that from my perspective it couldn't possibly be the right team and I don't see why that would be.
@Kami - (devil's advocate time) How does your view change, if ETR meant to signal that the scum team was: You/Tubba/ETR/Tau and not ETR/Tau/Tom/Whisper/Rhand?
I don't think this question makes sense, as there's nothing that could happen in game that would tell me what someone's intent was. A better question would be, what would happen if one of the flips doesn't happen as expected; that's a hypothetical that would have an observable effect.
If EtR flips town, I reevaluate. Tau looks quite bad - if I had zero additional info and had to decide the next kill from there, I'd say Tau.
If EtR flips scum, and then we go on to kill one of the people on the list, and that person flips town, that's also reevaluation, but likely means Tau is still clear. I think we'd have to fall back to standard behavioral analysis of the rest of the players - I'd be tempted to play the "why did EtR put together that specific false list" game but that would be difficult.
I am asking this, because your reads in this situation were "tonal" (fake) scum reads of the Rhand/Whisper/Tom team, and I wanted to see if you'd respond with actual reads on any of the people in the other group.
I was also looking for the obvious answer that the You/Tau/ETR/Tubba group can't exist, based on your world view. If ETR is scum, Tau can't be. He just made the one-in-a-million play, in your mind, and won the game for town day one. You said that is 80-90% certain for you. Also, YOU'RE INCLUDED IN THIS SCUM GROUP.
Instead you just went and enumerated the possibilities again, which we're hashed to death. THat means you're not trying to solve, and that means you're scum.
I think the best move is still lynch ETR today, I'll be happy to let Tau prove his new ability, and you start tomorrow as suspect #1 regardless of ETR's flip.
I don't see any reason to ask the question, "so what happens if I flip scum" lmao, and I totally get where rhand is coming from...
Noted, discussion of hypothetical situations and their effects on game state analysis and reads is a nonsensical approach to mafia.
But I spose I’ll go ahead and respond to your hypothetical situation and describe the effects it will have on my game state analysis and reads for *****s and kicks. I’d throw his whole list away and go back to my previous reads.
I have 2 out of 20 posts where I talked about that.
No, you used it to muddy the waters. Half the posts were about a game you played with Tom, neutrals winning with scum, and how TOM would behave in a similar situation, and how Sir Chris felt about it. I'm happy to re-read, but all that extra stuff is just so much fluff. It literally doesn't matter when you and tom did in another game. Show me what ETR or Tau would do; or examples where they've run a gambit; those would be relevant.
I've shown this clearly, and you CLEARLY have no read anything I've written. My iso clearly shows independent thought and analysis, if you had taken any care before you shot of this response you would have seen this. But you didn't. Now I don't know if this is your old age catching up with you or if you're just rusty.
Also, to answer your second question.
A more productive question for you is probably: Why don't we have to solve Tau/ETR? What makes killing Rhand better?
I'm not going to prove a negative. And you're a bastard for trying to argue that way. You are saying that we should solve Etr/Tau. I'm asking why? You're response of "Why not" is a bastard response and you clearly have no interest in developing this reason.
We should kill Rhand, because Rhand is scum. But more importantly we should lynch you, because you're clearly scum or have gotten terrible with your absence.
As for my Rhand read, D_V replacing in and immediately going after Rhand seemed... strange to me. At this point, it's unlikely that a Rhand wagon gets any traction, so scum reading him and voting him have NO consequences. The only reason I can see for doing that, would be if they were scum partners. That's reflecting in my read. It's obviously a thing that D_V could just be doing something I don't fully understand. So at this point it takes Rhand from blue to light blue.
This game has been ONLINE for 4 days now we have plenty of time to pursue a lynch of someone else.
I think I might need to go back through ETR's posts again
@tubba
I can't tell if you are agreeing with me, or shading me or being overly sarcastic, I can respond better, once I know the answer
The answer is D, all of the above
explain to me, how you the question, "what if I flip scum", that's a hypothetical that will never happen if you are town, help us solve the game, especially if you are the one asking it
Mind and kami are clashing but I'm not confident enough to say how unlikely they are to be w/w, w/v, or v/w, personally I still think kami has one of the highest chances of being scum, but no one seems to see it, so I guess I'm just tunneled?
Mind and kami are clashing but I'm not confident enough to say how unlikely they are to be w/w, w/v, or v/w, personally I still think kami has one of the highest chances of being scum, but no one seems to see it, so I guess I'm just tunneled?
I think I might need to go back through ETR's posts again
@tubba
I can't tell if you are agreeing with me, or shading me or being overly sarcastic, I can respond better, once I know the answer
The answer is D, all of the above
explain to me, how you the question, "what if I flip scum", that's a hypothetical that will never happen if you are town, help us solve the game, especially if you are the one asking it
That’s the literal definition of hypothetical. I’m asking it that way because regardless of my alignment EtR and the rest of his list has a huge question mark over it, that only gets further obfuscated the longer it’s left lying around. That’s how I perceive EtRgate, a big murky turd leaching into the toilet bowl of this game. The sooner we lift it out, the better.
@Tom I also don't believe you think if EtR is scum he is buddies with KA who he went back to claim he meant to signal as a buddy. With Tubba for that matter.
I'm not there on Vaimes yet but I get your read. I've not seen him scum in ages (ever?) do I have more respect for his game than you do (wrongly?).
I'm lower on Riku than you but I haven't paid a ton of attention to him.
I loved Mindreavers entrance but the lack of follow up hasn't been ideal and I probably liked it more than I should have. It just felt genuine.
yeah if etr is scum im drinking none of his wine. Kami is playing like his buddy so thats where id be predisposed to go.
Ive succesfully caught scumvaimes day 1 3 times (if you count disinheritance where he was spec chat scum). Hes a bit better on mtgs than dlp because ******* everyone knows him there, but hes still low confidence scum that has to force himself to post.
@Tom
Where do you go if I flip scum? Does that clear up anything regarding Tau/EtR? If you take EtR’s claim that I was one of his intended scum outs, and it’s true, do you not need to flip EtR next? If I flip town where do you go? What does that mean for EtR’s list? I don’t understand how we don’t need an EtR flip, what is the logic behind not uncovering him?
heres a fun thing
If etr/tau are _/_, tubba is _____:
V/v - probably scum
W/v - =rand
V/w - townish
W/w - lock town
@dv
Yes and in every game he was town, and I tunneled on him
wanna say this is wrong?
Wasnt he scum in one of the token power micros?
Anyway hes got scum equity especially with etr. If etr is town, he just wasted time with associatives that wont come up. which can come from scum with nothing else to talk about but dont think it actively points to that
@Mindreaver: I think you're confusing two different groups.
I think EtR legitimately bought Tau's gambit and gave up his scum team, which is EtR, Last, Tom, Rhand. That's the team I'm 80-90% sure on.
You're talking, separately, about EtR's claim that he really meant to signal a different team, which was EtR, me and Tubba. I don't believe that - I think EtR made that "signal" up after the fact.
There's a lot of overthinking going on. D1 kills are generally a crapshoot and best we can hope for is to get lucky or get some info from associatives. Right now we have an incredibly high-info kill option with a good chance to solve the entire game. I get that people want to do behavioral analysis but I feel like we're just wasting time, and we're giving scum time to bury us in wine and misdirection. Note that wisp and tom combined - two of the people in that scum list - are over a third of all posts in the thread. Wisp alone is a quarter of the thread.
@dv
Yes and in every game he was town, and I tunneled on him
wanna say this is wrong?
Wasnt he scum in one of the token power micros?
Anyway hes got scum equity especially with etr. If etr is town, he just wasted time with associatives that wont come up. which can come from scum with nothing else to talk about but dont think it actively points to that
I mean I humored it in previous posts and even told Grape I agree whwre you are coming from... But I think it's more likely that if Tau is scum, then kami is always scum here
The only way I could see etr/kami being scum together, was if he knew without a doubt that ETR was gonna be lock scum from the Gambit, and saw no way of saving him
And I don't believe kami was scum in any of the tokens...
I think EtR legitimately bought Tau's gambit and gave up his scum team, which is EtR, Last, Tom, Rhand. That's the team I'm 80-90% sure on.
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Thats just not a thing dude. And im having trouble believing even you, who pushes things that sound dumb to me all the time, actually thinks thats 90% likely when you had afair no scumreads in that group before
Seriously ridiculous.
I wouldnt even take that risk as scum, and my playstyle as scum is basically "getting away with it" as an art form.
This is a weird line of questioning. Why ask someone about their reads after you flip scum yourself?
Sounds like you are going to flip scum and you want him to lynch EtR when you do.
I'm honestly at the same thought process as Tom, if ETR flips scum, I think there's a high chance of w/w with kami, and even if ETR is town, I still think based on his tunnel on me and how he handled the game it is just so scummy, I'm also biased because I know that if ETR flips scum, that dude is gunning for me first, and that's a mislynch waiting to happen...
Kami is scummy on an individual level, but I think the way he handled the the situation can come from w/w or v/w
Welcome my friend
That’s a pretty reductive view of my question, and it conveniently sidesteps it whilst shading me. Is critical thinking so abhorrent here that the suggestion of doing it results in a scumread?
How the hell is that shading... Can we stop evaluating the game around ETR's possible flip, that would be amazing...
Since your so interested in his flip, how does it change the game for you if he flip town?
Grape - Cleared by KJ, who I believe
Whisper - Could be powerwolfing, but we've mind melded enough on Kami and ETR/Tau that I'm fairly confident you're town.
Tom - I'm pretty sure you're town, but I'm waiting for your argument against me before commenting further here. There is one point that I want to see if you address.
Rhand - I had you higher as a townread, but I don't quite know what D_V's attack on your signifies. Gut feel was scum busing.
GJ/LnGrrR/Tubba/Vaimes/Rodemy - Nulls for now.
D_V - Your entrance was a vast improvement in the slot, but I have to say "remember when" is the lowest form of conversation. Instead of taking on Tau/ETR with your own opinions, you're telling us about all the other games and gambits and other people's opinions. That doesn't ring true for me.
Riku - I had you lower, because I wasn't a fan of the interactions early with whisper. Specifically your defense of his meta read against you. But since then, you're been MIA, so you can stay just below my nulls for now.
Tau - The only thing keeping you from my scum pile is that I think ETR is more likely scum between the two of you. Both of you definitely lied, and neither of you played that the way I'd hope town does. Up until your claim, I had you in the nulls.
ETR - I do not think you would be dumb enough to vommit out your partners, so there is that. However, even considering that list is wine, I don't know what giving that list accomplishes as town. Did you expect to see scum!tau partner those people? What was your claim going to look like later? Your defense of that list, seems be boiled down to: The lists can't be right because of math/etc, therefore I'm town. Which I don't buy. I think that assumes that scum you wouldn't make up a BS list. The answer wasn't as important as the reason it was given at all.
Kami - I explained this already, but he's so focused on Tau being town and ETR being scum, and "winning the game on day one" that it screams of inside knowledge. Even disregarding the facts that the team he says he's 90% sure of, can't possibly be the right team (from his perspective). I don't see him looking at all the options and giving them thought. Looks like scum distancing from ETR who is likely going down; and if true might give some towncred to Tau/Tubba (because I don't think ETR give us a real team either way you signaled it).
Re-reading Rodemy, Rhand, and LnGrrR atm.
Again, my opinion of this game right now, is that we need to resolve the ETR/Tau situation. My concern is that even if I had my #1 choice (Kami) dead today, I think the mafia just kills somebody in GJ/D_V/Vaimes/Rod/LnGrrR/Tubba; and we have to rehash all the same arguments tomorrow. I would rather analyze results from ETR's flip tomorrow. And yes, I do think ETR is more likely scum than Tau.
I wish I could upvote your kami read
In either your read on Tau or ETR you said, can you expand on that?
Though I really dislike how you somehow
I hate how you used DV in your thoughts on Rhand
I'm also interested in your thoughts on Grr, just because I think he's being typical scum, pop in, just echos, no real stances, just calls the focus on me bad, which is just pure shade, don't know if that was his intention, but that's how it came off to me
*I really dislike how you somehow used DV in your thoughts on Rhand
No, no we don't. Its also clear he didn't read diddly squat of what I read, because I've argued a lot more then what he said I did. I used the opinion of Sir Chris and the "Remember when" as supplemental material.
Go show me something that pings you from ETR, Tom, and Rhand, that has nothing to do with the Gambit made by Tau
A more productive question for you is probably: Why don't we have to solve Tau/ETR? What makes killing Rhand better?
Tau self-admitted to lying (deceiving) ETR that he's scum. It's the first thing he did. If I consider that he's really scum trying to trick ETR into incriminating himself so he can spew to the thread what he found, that also would be a lie.
ETR also self-admitted to lying in his response. In the scenarios that he's scum, I don't think he's stupid enough to fall for this, and spew the whole team. In scenarios where he's town, he lied about being scum and what the team was.
So neither been truthful, and if they both end up town here; both are to blame.
As for my Rhand read, D_V replacing in and immediately going after Rhand seemed... strange to me. At this point, it's unlikely that a Rhand wagon gets any traction, so scum reading him and voting him have NO consequences. The only reason I can see for doing that, would be if they were scum partners. That's reflecting in my read. It's obviously a thing that D_V could just be doing something I don't fully understand. So at this point it takes Rhand from blue to light blue.
As for LnGrrR, stay tuned.
Ok kami's question actually has more merit than I thought, answer why it can't be right from his perspective?
Also, I'm not saying I don't want to lynch Kami right now. If I'm completely candid about it, I doubt we get him today. I don't have the town credentials to push the case (which is my own fault). I think the better play is to resolve ETR. That gives us more to work with tomorrow. And I think we'd re-hash it to death. Just look at how many people did the WW >> VW >> VV >> WV charts. Like, I get that we're all on a mission to show our thoughts, but it's just gonna go on and on and on. If GJ doesn't come in with the same block of text, I'll eat my hat.
I can see where it looks like I'm setting up mislynches. That wasn't my intent, but that's wine. I guess if we have kami flip town you guys can just kill me next.
Your Rhand explanation still doesn't help me at all, and I still think it's dumb
Ya they are both liars, liars are bad, let's Lynch them, plz get this line of thinking out of your head, and I'm not saying you want to bury them, but wtf is that thought process...
I'll agree that ETR playing a long was weird, but I can't see how you can compare what ETR and Tau did as simply just lying... If anything Tau had a reason for his lie, and ETR did not, at least his explanation for why he did it was not that good
Noted, discussion of hypothetical situations and their effects on game state analysis and reads is a nonsensical approach to mafia.
But I spose I’ll go ahead and respond to your hypothetical situation and describe the effects it will have on my game state analysis and reads for *****s and kicks. I’d throw his whole list away and go back to my previous reads.
@tubba
I can't tell if you are agreeing with me, or shading me or being overly sarcastic, I can respond better, once I know the answer
Half of my posts were about that?
I have 2 out of 20 posts where I talked about that.
I've shown this clearly, and you CLEARLY have no read anything I've written. My iso clearly shows independent thought and analysis, if you had taken any care before you shot of this response you would have seen this. But you didn't. Now I don't know if this is your old age catching up with you or if you're just rusty.
Also, to answer your second question.
I'm not going to prove a negative. And you're a bastard for trying to argue that way. You are saying that we should solve Etr/Tau. I'm asking why? You're response of "Why not" is a bastard response and you clearly have no interest in developing this reason.
We should kill Rhand, because Rhand is scum. But more importantly we should lynch you, because you're clearly scum or have gotten terrible with your absence.
Unvote Vote Mindreaver
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This game has been ONLINE for 4 days now we have plenty of time to pursue a lynch of someone else.
The answer is D, all of the above
/Barn DV, plus my own thoughts, plus I want a new train
Going to try and go deep without it being suspicious that I don't die by night 2. Might get a pass today because raisins.
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Have you played with Kami?
You're bad and you should feel bad.
That’s the literal definition of hypothetical. I’m asking it that way because regardless of my alignment EtR and the rest of his list has a huge question mark over it, that only gets further obfuscated the longer it’s left lying around. That’s how I perceive EtRgate, a big murky turd leaching into the toilet bowl of this game. The sooner we lift it out, the better.
15 minute read, I haven't found anything that has disuaded me from that thus far.
As I read backwards for whatever reason, I am curious to see how EtR was run up so quickly.
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I await your long analysis post explaining it then.
Ive succesfully caught scumvaimes day 1 3 times (if you count disinheritance where he was spec chat scum). Hes a bit better on mtgs than dlp because ******* everyone knows him there, but hes still low confidence scum that has to force himself to post.
It will take about 5 seconds. Will be curious to see how Rhand reads tom as well.
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If etr/tau are _/_, tubba is _____:
V/v - probably scum
W/v - =rand
V/w - townish
W/w - lock town
And again. Not drinking the wine
Dont use yellow
gold is far more legible
ah yes, you still think im readable based on seriousness.
Nice
Yes and in every game he was town, and I tunneled on him
Wasnt he scum in one of the token power micros?
Anyway hes got scum equity especially with etr. If etr is town, he just wasted time with associatives that wont come up. which can come from scum with nothing else to talk about but dont think it actively points to that
I think EtR legitimately bought Tau's gambit and gave up his scum team, which is EtR, Last, Tom, Rhand. That's the team I'm 80-90% sure on.
You're talking, separately, about EtR's claim that he really meant to signal a different team, which was EtR, me and Tubba. I don't believe that - I think EtR made that "signal" up after the fact.
There's a lot of overthinking going on. D1 kills are generally a crapshoot and best we can hope for is to get lucky or get some info from associatives. Right now we have an incredibly high-info kill option with a good chance to solve the entire game. I get that people want to do behavioral analysis but I feel like we're just wasting time, and we're giving scum time to bury us in wine and misdirection. Note that wisp and tom combined - two of the people in that scum list - are over a third of all posts in the thread. Wisp alone is a quarter of the thread.
The only way I could see etr/kami being scum together, was if he knew without a doubt that ETR was gonna be lock scum from the Gambit, and saw no way of saving him
And I don't believe kami was scum in any of the tokens...
In the first token it was wuffles and grape/riku
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Thats just not a thing dude. And im having trouble believing even you, who pushes things that sound dumb to me all the time, actually thinks thats 90% likely when you had afair no scumreads in that group before
Seriously ridiculous.
I wouldnt even take that risk as scum, and my playstyle as scum is basically "getting away with it" as an art form.
Come on
Nothing on this site or mu, including the last turbo has given me reason to think otherwise.
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