(Also a minor point in that you've compared me to Vaimes in terms of lack of interest when somehow I get the feeling you haven't actually read my posts.)
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I guess I can spam clear myself
I don't think that'll be necessary, but I can
Could also refer back to tom and Chris' reasoning for townreading me in the first place, which is a sad one for me, but pretty much accurate nonetheless
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Apologies for the lack of content. I'm bored. There's honestly not really another reason, other than school/people and the mental toll that can have on someone. I was going to do something else, anything really, to try to help. But I think vez' vote is a hammer.
If there's questions for me, I'll do my best to answer them. Otherwise I probably should have voted ages ago because nothing seems to have changed despite several pages of new content.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Apologies for the lack of content. I'm bored. There's honestly not really another reason, other than school/people and the mental toll that can have on someone. I was going to do something else, anything really, to try to help. But I think vez' vote is a hammer.
If there's questions for me, I'll do my best to answer them. Otherwise I probably should have voted ages ago because nothing seems to have changed despite several pages of new content.
I'm specifically remembering this post RE.
And?
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
According to your recent list, Lngrrr is lower than Vaimes.
Why is Vaimes better than Lngrrr to Lynch?
Because there is a chance Vaimes is just demotivated (I get that). Though PoE would just put him as scum, and even if the lack of motivation/time constraints are real, that explains activity levels and not alignment.
Whereas LnGrrrR has been pushed by town!Tubba with meta evidence against him and has overall pretty poor progression if he's town (lack of progression or revaluation that is.) His reads are either consensus reads or secondary scum reads he hasn't bothered pushing. I feel like his reads on others (namely Tubba and Vaimes) can easily be summarized by they haven't done much, which makes them easy targets and as town there SHOULD be more skepticism behind that sort of push.
I don't really think Vaimes is a better lynch than LnGrrrR. I think something needs to be done about LnGrrrR and Kami, because both are kind of just existing when by now at least one of their alignments should be confirmed if Kami is being truthful. Vaimes would be the kind of lynch you go for because there is a slightly above average chance they'll flip scum, and if they don't, scum are gonna need to push elsewhere and that can be more telling when there's no longer a consensus.
Strange question though, may or may not help me. Why do you think you're still alive, despite your previous soft claims (would be amazing if you linked them)?
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Well, I'm not entirely sure I actually need an answer to that question
I think you're pretty close to lock town at this point
Claiming an investigative ability day 1 is pretty ballsy as scum since you run a huge risk of there being an overlap with an actual town investigative, which hasn't been claimed yet
Also idk who it was who started the claims but it was terrible idea for EtR/Tau to claim the hidden ability part of their role, since now that that's out in the open, don't think we'll be seeing them used at all this game.
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Well, actually, that might help me a bit with one thing
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You're currently sussing Killjoy, no? (Disregard if not, I'm not gonna bother going one page back)
Why would scum claim what he did when he did? Why take that risk?
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Also kjs n0 on grape is the only piece of hard info anywhere in this game afaict. There being zero info in a game is about as unlikely as 4 town protectives imo...
Only thing really stopping me from locking that in is the extra abilities from neighbors potentially, but idk how to account for that anyway
Maybe I'll just talk to no one in particular and that'll help a bit. No offense Chris but you don't really inspire me to push myself. I'd rather throw something at you.
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I'm town. KJ is very likely town because role + he isn't hopping on me even though I'm not having the best of games.
Sir Chris is town by virtue of osie being town and Anak being scum.
Rod is town for his role/claim and lack of, I dunno the word. Coherency maybe.
I'm townreading Highroller more for tone rather than content.
tom is like, town on thin ice. I can't seem to ever kill him regardless of his alignment or my read on him, in any game ever, so lolme.
Those are about all of my strong feelings in this game.
Vaimes
Killjoy
Sir Chris
Rodemy
Highroller
tomsloger
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KamikazeArchon
RE1031
LnGrrrR/vezokpiraka
I've definitely let myself not really pay much attention to RE and I'll fix that sometime this weekend.
Honestly if you need inspiration to push yourself it may be time to retire.
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@KJ, my reasons haven't changed since last time I told you. I haven't been really paying attention since start of Day though, so if there's some groundbreaking info you could point me to I would appreciate it. Otherwise, its overall lack of pushes, lack of care, etc. Vaimes jumps in, says a few words, then looks at the wagons and hops on to the easiest one. I would have to look at his iso, but I don't remember Vaimes pushing a single person this game. He is mostly reactive.
When you create your town case on Vaimes, I expect it to have examples of his "tone" and why it is towny.
You having him above sir Chris is frankly mind boggling.
According to your recent list, Lngrrr is lower than Vaimes.
Why is Vaimes better than Lngrrr to Lynch?
Because there is a chance Vaimes is just demotivated (I get that). Though PoE would just put him as scum, and even if the lack of motivation/time constraints are real, that explains activity levels and not alignment.
Whereas LnGrrrR has been pushed by town!Tubba with meta evidence against him and has overall pretty poor progression if he's town (lack of progression or revaluation that is.) His reads are either consensus reads or secondary scum reads he hasn't bothered pushing. I feel like his reads on others (namely Tubba and Vaimes) can easily be summarized by they haven't done much, which makes them easy targets and as town there SHOULD be more skepticism behind that sort of push.
I don't really think Vaimes is a better lynch than LnGrrrR. I think something needs to be done about LnGrrrR and Kami, because both are kind of just existing when by now at least one of their alignments should be confirmed if Kami is being truthful. Vaimes would be the kind of lynch you go for because there is a slightly above average chance they'll flip scum, and if they don't, scum are gonna need to push elsewhere and that can be more telling when there's no longer a consensus.
Strange question though, may or may not help me. Why do you think you're still alive, despite your previous soft claims (would be amazing if you linked them)?
That sure is a lot of words for such a simple question. And you never really answered it.
Do yuo still think LnGrrR is scummier than Vaimes? If so, why are you not voting him with me? If not, what changed?
In answer to your question... I generally don't assume I'll ever be killed. This game I suppose I wasn't killed before Grape because my death 100% cleared him.
@KJ, my reasons haven't changed since last time I told you. I haven't been really paying attention since start of Day though, so if there's some groundbreaking info you could point me to I would appreciate it. Otherwise, its overall lack of pushes, lack of care, etc. Vaimes jumps in, says a few words, then looks at the wagons and hops on to the easiest one. I would have to look at his iso, but I don't remember Vaimes pushing a single person this game. He is mostly reactive.
When you create your town case on Vaimes, I expect it to have examples of his "tone" and why it is towny.
You having him above sir Chris is frankly mind boggling.
Oh? Are you townreading Chris? Why?
Also, can you look at RE's answer in 3608 ad analyze it for me? What does RE look like for answering like that, if any way at all?
My case may come tonight, I think. I won't have much time other thant hat.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
That sure is a lot of words for such a simple question. And you never really answered it.
Do yuo still think LnGrrR is scummier than Vaimes? If so, why are you not voting him with me? If not, what changed.
You don't have to be subtle, you know.
I did answer it to the best of my ability, because it was a pointed question. I didn't have Vaimes as a better lynch than LnGrrrR, but that's what you were asking. You wanted a short answer? Well, he's not. I almost sense a repeat of Tubba from this lynch (though Tubba became townier under pressure than Vaimes has been so far). But if you wanted something actually useful from that type of question, I gave it to you.
I don't think you're voting LnGrrR? Going off tom's VC.
I have mixed feelings about vez (namely the way his ability has been claimed/utilized), but I'd vote Vaimes over him.
As for your answer, you softed an investigative ability which is the kind of thing that tends to eat a night kill, so I disagree there. But there are numerous explanations for that, like a mafia role cop.
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I'd also rather get Kami. Like tom brought up (something that didn't exactly occur to me prior), having that confirmed mechanical knowledge would be helpful if he's town, should something be wrong with the cases against him. But I also don't think he's town (keeping in mind my confidence levels are unusually low for this game). Initially I thought Kami's claim was townie (I forgot why), but after 2 nights and there being no extra kill, scum could also make the assumption that there wasn't a vig in the set up and have Kami claim that role. The reasoning for shooting Last always stuck out to me, because Last wasn't softing out of self preservation, he was softing to eat a night kill - it makes virtually no sense to shoot him for his claiming.
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The reasoning for shooting Last always stuck out to me, because Last wasn't softing out of self preservation, he was softing to eat a night kill - it makes virtually no sense to shoot him for his claiming.
That sure is a lot of words for such a simple question. And you never really answered it.
Do yuo still think LnGrrR is scummier than Vaimes? If so, why are you not voting him with me? If not, what changed.
You don't have to be subtle, you know.
I did answer it to the best of my ability, because it was a pointed question. I didn't have Vaimes as a better lynch than LnGrrrR, but that's what you were asking. You wanted a short answer? Well, he's not. I almost sense a repeat of Tubba from this lynch (though Tubba became townier under pressure than Vaimes has been so far). But if you wanted something actually useful from that type of question, I gave it to you.
I don't think you're voting LnGrrR? Going off tom's VC.
I have mixed feelings about vez (namely the way his ability has been claimed/utilized), but I'd vote Vaimes over him.
As for your answer, you softed an investigative ability which is the kind of thing that tends to eat a night kill, so I disagree there. But there are numerous explanations for that, like a mafia role cop.
I didn't expect your answer to be succinct. I expected it to be honest. I feel like you're trying to talk your way around me and I'm not a fan.
I am voting LnGrrR. IDK why no one noticed.
Talk to me more about Kami. My reaction was similar to his with regards to your statement.
I didn't soft claim anything. I literally claimed my role multiple times. People apperently just thought there was more to it. MAybe thats why I'm not dead. Because they figured out I was being honest about that.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
According to your recent list, Lngrrr is lower than Vaimes.
Why is Vaimes better than Lngrrr to Lynch?
Because there is a chance Vaimes is just demotivated (I get that). Though PoE would just put him as scum, and even if the lack of motivation/time constraints are real, that explains activity levels and not alignment.
Whereas LnGrrrR has been pushed by town!Tubba with meta evidence against him and has overall pretty poor progression if he's town (lack of progression or revaluation that is.) His reads are either consensus reads or secondary scum reads he hasn't bothered pushing. I feel like his reads on others (namely Tubba and Vaimes) can easily be summarized by they haven't done much, which makes them easy targets and as town there SHOULD be more skepticism behind that sort of push.
I don't really think Vaimes is a better lynch than LnGrrrR. I think something needs to be done about LnGrrrR and Kami, because both are kind of just existing when by now at least one of their alignments should be confirmed if Kami is being truthful. Vaimes would be the kind of lynch you go for because there is a slightly above average chance they'll flip scum, and if they don't, scum are gonna need to push elsewhere and that can be more telling when there's no longer a consensus.
Strange question though, may or may not help me. Why do you think you're still alive, despite your previous soft claims (would be amazing if you linked them)?
That sure is a lot of words for such a simple question. And you never really answered it.
Do yuo still think LnGrrR is scummier than Vaimes? If so, why are you not voting him with me? If not, what changed?
In answer to your question... I generally don't assume I'll ever be killed. This game I suppose I wasn't killed before Grape because my death 100% cleared him.
@KJ, my reasons haven't changed since last time I told you. I haven't been really paying attention since start of Day though, so if there's some groundbreaking info you could point me to I would appreciate it. Otherwise, its overall lack of pushes, lack of care, etc. Vaimes jumps in, says a few words, then looks at the wagons and hops on to the easiest one. I would have to look at his iso, but I don't remember Vaimes pushing a single person this game. He is mostly reactive.
When you create your town case on Vaimes, I expect it to have examples of his "tone" and why it is towny.
You having him above sir Chris is frankly mind boggling.
Oh? Are you townreading Chris? Why?
Also, can you look at RE's answer in 3608 ad analyze it for me? What does RE look like for answering like that, if any way at all?
My case may come tonight, I think. I won't have much time other thant hat.
Because he came in and got momentum going on a lynch from town Osie to scum mind/anak?
Plus, last game I played with sir Chris I caught him as scum, and he tried to appease him to no avail. Not sure the name of it right now, but he didn't have the "take charge, kick ass" feeling I felt from him that game. Chris might know.
I am dropping my Mom off in Munich today; I will try to reread REs post when I have time tonight.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Well, actually, that might help me a bit with one thing
@Highroller
You're currently sussing Killjoy, no? (Disregard if not, I'm not gonna bother going one page back)
Why would scum claim what he did when he did? Why take that risk?
Vezok did the exact same thing in Secret Agent mafia.
And Re: Vaimes... I made a post showing tom what I thought town Vaimes looked like.
Then I ISO's him in Three little pigs. They just... aren't the same person.
he's changed a fair amount since 3lp. As both alignments.
Here's the thing:
What I look for in townvaimes is like a bursting at the seems exuberance, really solid sass, and him finding something to believe in.
The exuberance is a no right now. I'm assuming its oog because other sites, etc. So call that null.
The sass has been there this game, at least a bit. Iirc this is part of what you were looking at. Agree it's moderately positive.
But that last one. That thing he believes in that he bases other things around. Something similar to my setupgaming itt. Don't think its any kind of tell for me but it would be extremely towny from vaimes.
So... you've been in this game for months you've isoed vaimes...
What does he believe in?
Well, actually, that might help me a bit with one thing
@Highroller
You're currently sussing Killjoy, no? (Disregard if not, I'm not gonna bother going one page back)
Why would scum claim what he did when he did? Why take that risk?
Vezok did the exact same thing in Secret Agent mafia.
no, he didnt.
I mean he did. But kj did it from a good position. He had no heat, and essentially claimed to save towngrape. Vez did it when he otherwise may have been lynched.
I didn't expect your answer to be succinct. I expected it to be honest. I feel like you're trying to talk your way around me and I'm not a fan.
I am voting LnGrrR. IDK why no one noticed.
Talk to me more about Kami. My reaction was similar to his with regards to your statement.
I didn't soft claim anything. I literally claimed my role multiple times. People apperently just thought there was more to it. MAybe thats why I'm not dead. Because they figured out I was being honest about that.
I am being honest. Right down to the part where I'm not confident.
Kami's wonderful at faking mindmelds with town. Check out Phantom Tollbooth. Also, not sure which reaction you are talking about, unless you mean #3524. Which is supremely easy of a reaction to make when it's literally one word and lacks any sort of productive follow up.
You claimed you were going to do something about tom shortly before one of the phase changes, no? That's what I read into.
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The reasoning for shooting Last always stuck out to me, because Last wasn't softing out of self preservation, he was softing to eat a night kill - it makes virtually no sense to shoot him for his claiming.
what?
Oh, this reaction.
Why are we not lynching this slot yet?
Has anyone read their posts for the past few pages?
Sorry, was my explanation not clear?
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The reasoning for shooting Last always stuck out to me, because Last wasn't softing out of self preservation, he was softing to eat a night kill - it makes virtually no sense to shoot him for his claiming.
what?
Oh, this reaction.
Why are we not lynching this slot yet?
Has anyone read their posts for the past few pages?
Well, Vaimes was also voting LnGrrrR the phase before, and camped on him for a decent amount of time.
Kinda hard to argue against the sort of accusations that are 100% true ("__ isn't doing much") but also aren't always AI nor very selling.
Could also be giving Vaimes too much credit since I sympathize with his circumstances, and maybe his play is something AI for him. Looking forward to KJ's town case on him though.
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And Re: Vaimes... I made a post showing tom what I thought town Vaimes looked like.
Then I ISO's him in Three little pigs. They just... aren't the same person.
he's changed a fair amount since 3lp. As both alignments.
Here's the thing:
What I look for in townvaimes is like a bursting at the seems exuberance, really solid sass, and him finding something to believe in.
The exuberance is a no right now. I'm assuming its oog because other sites, etc. So call that null.
The sass has been there this game, at least a bit. Iirc this is part of what you were looking at. Agree it's moderately positive.
But that last one. That thing he believes in that he bases other things around. Something similar to my setupgaming itt. Don't think its any kind of tell for me but it would be extremely towny from vaimes.
So... you've been in this game for months you've isoed vaimes...
What does he believe in?
yeah. That's kind of a good point. And then theres the votecount dealeos.
I can see it. I can see a scum Vaimes here. It's possible.
I would still prefer Vezok or LnGrrR over him though becasue I feel stronger towards them, and I'm not confident enough in VCA yet to know how accurate my read is there.
But I can't help but feel that Vaimes does need to flip at some point.
Tom: IDK if you ever answered but I asked why LnGrrR/Vaimes wasn't a thing.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Think vaimes and lngrr have treated eachother like mislynches.
Just like, casually wanting to kill eachother sorta but not actual distancing/theater.
It's an in between space from how partners usually treat each other. There's no profit in it.
Doesn't really say anything about either of them, but its how I'd feel if either flipped scum. Slightly moreso vaimes>lngrr than the other way, but it effectively averages out
I'm voting kami because I effectively want to see 4 people dead at this point, with not a huge difference in preference, and that flip seems vaguely the most useful to me if NOT a hit, and i dont super want him in a potential lylo.
So... currently voting the (imo) least likely to flip mafia of the 4.
We're at 10 alive. If mislynch/SK + NK, could be 5v3 tomorrow, but we'd be at it with better info
But kj did it from a good position. He had no heat, and essentially claimed to save towngrape.
This ain't Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, dude. A mafia would definitely know Grape was town, and wouldn't have a problem claiming one-shot inspector. I'm not saying it's an ironclad argument that Killjoy is mafia, but I will say that any claim that Killjoy is somehow confirmed town, or even close to that, is silly.
I'm Cecilio. My fiancee Beatrice is a member of the not-Corleones and is Enrico's daughter.
The one thing about Cecilio is that he's REALLY thick. Doesn't have any clue that he's marrying into the mafia, even though everyone's telling him that's what they are (which he assumes is a joke), and his grandfather was involved in the same kind of criminality, which again, he has no clue about whatsoever. He just thinks his grandfather collected guns and torture devices and stuff because he was really into history and a bit eccentric.
Anyway, after revealing his grandfather's past, Enrico accepted him as part of the family. Again, and I love this, Cecilio has no freaking clue whatsoever that both his family and his fiancee's family are mobsters. Because Cecilio has an accounting degree, he's taken on the role of managing finances.
So anyway, and this has been claimed, each night Beatrice and I can go into our room, which is the flavor way of us being able to night communicate.
Okay, that's pretty great flavor. Not what I expected, but I probably wouldn't have read into it much regardless since flavor should be NAI. My own flavor is Beatrice, the daughter of a mafia boss, and because I'm always surrounded by scary bodyguards, making friends has been rough, not to mention the being- the-daughter-of-a-mafia-boss part tends to ward people off. Except Cecilio, who seemed to see me for who I really am. After my dad gets murdered, I become skeptical of Cecilio's reasons for becoming close to me, thinking he came close only to get to my family.
Basically was looking for that same skepticism in Cecilio's flavor.
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I don't think that'll be necessary, but I can
Could also refer back to tom and Chris' reasoning for townreading me in the first place, which is a sad one for me, but pretty much accurate nonetheless
Is it reason for why I haven't been nightkilled yet? Yes.
According to your recent list, Lngrrr is lower than Vaimes.
Why is Vaimes better than Lngrrr to Lynch?
Whereas LnGrrrR has been pushed by town!Tubba with meta evidence against him and has overall pretty poor progression if he's town (lack of progression or revaluation that is.) His reads are either consensus reads or secondary scum reads he hasn't bothered pushing. I feel like his reads on others (namely Tubba and Vaimes) can easily be summarized by they haven't done much, which makes them easy targets and as town there SHOULD be more skepticism behind that sort of push.
I don't really think Vaimes is a better lynch than LnGrrrR. I think something needs to be done about LnGrrrR and Kami, because both are kind of just existing when by now at least one of their alignments should be confirmed if Kami is being truthful. Vaimes would be the kind of lynch you go for because there is a slightly above average chance they'll flip scum, and if they don't, scum are gonna need to push elsewhere and that can be more telling when there's no longer a consensus.
Strange question though, may or may not help me. Why do you think you're still alive, despite your previous soft claims (would be amazing if you linked them)?
I think you're pretty close to lock town at this point
Claiming an investigative ability day 1 is pretty ballsy as scum since you run a huge risk of there being an overlap with an actual town investigative, which hasn't been claimed yet
Also idk who it was who started the claims but it was terrible idea for EtR/Tau to claim the hidden ability part of their role, since now that that's out in the open, don't think we'll be seeing them used at all this game.
@Highroller
You're currently sussing Killjoy, no? (Disregard if not, I'm not gonna bother going one page back)
Why would scum claim what he did when he did? Why take that risk?
Only thing really stopping me from locking that in is the extra abilities from neighbors potentially, but idk how to account for that anyway
vezok (3): tom, Vaimes, KJ
Kami (2): HR, RE
Not Voting (1): Kami
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I'm town. KJ is very likely town because role + he isn't hopping on me even though I'm not having the best of games.
Sir Chris is town by virtue of osie being town and Anak being scum.
Rod is town for his role/claim and lack of, I dunno the word. Coherency maybe.
I'm townreading Highroller more for tone rather than content.
tom is like, town on thin ice. I can't seem to ever kill him regardless of his alignment or my read on him, in any game ever, so lolme.
Those are about all of my strong feelings in this game.
Vaimes
Killjoy
Sir Chris
Rodemy
Highroller
tomsloger
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KamikazeArchon
RE1031
LnGrrrR/vezokpiraka
I've definitely let myself not really pay much attention to RE and I'll fix that sometime this weekend.
2014 - Best Mafia Performance (Individual)(Wu Tang)
2014 - Best Mafia Newcomer
2015 - Best Town Performance (Individual) (Predator)
2015 - Best Town Performance (Group) - Predator Mafia
2015 - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - 2015 Invitational
2015 - Best Town Player
2015 - Best Mafia Player
2015 - Best Overall Player
Sometimes games are just like that, can't imagine ever retiring from mafia :I
And I didn't think I was going to read into this because flavor should be NAI, but I'd like to hear what Highroller's flavor story is, just in case
When you create your town case on Vaimes, I expect it to have examples of his "tone" and why it is towny.
You having him above sir Chris is frankly mind boggling.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Kami, I’ll get back to you.
Hard claim cannibal.
*narm narm narm *
Do yuo still think LnGrrR is scummier than Vaimes? If so, why are you not voting him with me? If not, what changed?
In answer to your question... I generally don't assume I'll ever be killed. This game I suppose I wasn't killed before Grape because my death 100% cleared him.
Oh? Are you townreading Chris? Why?
Also, can you look at RE's answer in 3608 ad analyze it for me? What does RE look like for answering like that, if any way at all?
My case may come tonight, I think. I won't have much time other thant hat.
I did answer it to the best of my ability, because it was a pointed question. I didn't have Vaimes as a better lynch than LnGrrrR, but that's what you were asking. You wanted a short answer? Well, he's not. I almost sense a repeat of Tubba from this lynch (though Tubba became townier under pressure than Vaimes has been so far). But if you wanted something actually useful from that type of question, I gave it to you.
I don't think you're voting LnGrrR? Going off tom's VC.
I have mixed feelings about vez (namely the way his ability has been claimed/utilized), but I'd vote Vaimes over him.
As for your answer, you softed an investigative ability which is the kind of thing that tends to eat a night kill, so I disagree there. But there are numerous explanations for that, like a mafia role cop.
For science
I am voting LnGrrR. IDK why no one noticed.
Talk to me more about Kami. My reaction was similar to his with regards to your statement.
I didn't soft claim anything. I literally claimed my role multiple times. People apperently just thought there was more to it. MAybe thats why I'm not dead. Because they figured out I was being honest about that.
Because he came in and got momentum going on a lynch from town Osie to scum mind/anak?
Plus, last game I played with sir Chris I caught him as scum, and he tried to appease him to no avail. Not sure the name of it right now, but he didn't have the "take charge, kick ass" feeling I felt from him that game. Chris might know.
I am dropping my Mom off in Munich today; I will try to reread REs post when I have time tonight.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
I look forward to your answer.
Then I ISO's him in Three little pigs. They just... aren't the same person.
Vezok did the exact same thing in Secret Agent mafia.
Here's the thing:
What I look for in townvaimes is like a bursting at the seems exuberance, really solid sass, and him finding something to believe in.
The exuberance is a no right now. I'm assuming its oog because other sites, etc. So call that null.
The sass has been there this game, at least a bit. Iirc this is part of what you were looking at. Agree it's moderately positive.
But that last one. That thing he believes in that he bases other things around. Something similar to my setupgaming itt. Don't think its any kind of tell for me but it would be extremely towny from vaimes.
So... you've been in this game for months you've isoed vaimes...
What does he believe in?
I mean he did. But kj did it from a good position. He had no heat, and essentially claimed to save towngrape. Vez did it when he otherwise may have been lynched.
A chi fa male, mai mancano scuse.
(He who does evil, is never short of an excuse.)
KamikazeArchon (3): Highroller, RE1031, tomsloger
Vaimes (3): vezokpiraka, Sir Chris, LnGrrrR
vezokpiraka (1): Vaimes
LnGrrrR (1): Killjoy
Not Voting (2): KamikazeArchon, Rodemy
V/LA: LnGrrrR (April 14th)
With 10 alive, it’s 6 to lynch. Deadline is on April 18th.
Kami's wonderful at faking mindmelds with town. Check out Phantom Tollbooth. Also, not sure which reaction you are talking about, unless you mean #3524. Which is supremely easy of a reaction to make when it's literally one word and lacks any sort of productive follow up.
You claimed you were going to do something about tom shortly before one of the phase changes, no? That's what I read into.
Why are we not lynching this slot yet?
Has anyone read their posts for the past few pages?
Sorry, was my explanation not clear?
There was at least one role that overlapped with vez's claim.
vote Vaimes
Kinda hard to argue against the sort of accusations that are 100% true ("__ isn't doing much") but also aren't always AI nor very selling.
Could also be giving Vaimes too much credit since I sympathize with his circumstances, and maybe his play is something AI for him. Looking forward to KJ's town case on him though.
yeah. That's kind of a good point. And then theres the votecount dealeos.
I can see it. I can see a scum Vaimes here. It's possible.
I would still prefer Vezok or LnGrrR over him though becasue I feel stronger towards them, and I'm not confident enough in VCA yet to know how accurate my read is there.
But I can't help but feel that Vaimes does need to flip at some point.
Tom: IDK if you ever answered but I asked why LnGrrR/Vaimes wasn't a thing.
Vez probably is. If Vaimes is, LnGrrR probably isn't. Kami's positioning is probably the third most suspect.
Would Chris powerbus? Chris is still last on the list here after even RE but still. I don't trust him.
Just like, casually wanting to kill eachother sorta but not actual distancing/theater.
It's an in between space from how partners usually treat each other. There's no profit in it.
Doesn't really say anything about either of them, but its how I'd feel if either flipped scum. Slightly moreso vaimes>lngrr than the other way, but it effectively averages out
So... currently voting the (imo) least likely to flip mafia of the 4.
We're at 10 alive. If mislynch/SK + NK, could be 5v3 tomorrow, but we'd be at it with better info
Idk. Might hammer vaimes
... This just about says it all.
This ain't Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, dude. A mafia would definitely know Grape was town, and wouldn't have a problem claiming one-shot inspector. I'm not saying it's an ironclad argument that Killjoy is mafia, but I will say that any claim that Killjoy is somehow confirmed town, or even close to that, is silly.
But then there'd be no real info at all in the setup, which feels unlikely.
Really the interesting thing for me would be what you and re unlock if youre both town
I've mused over this myself.
I'm Cecilio. My fiancee Beatrice is a member of the not-Corleones and is Enrico's daughter.
The one thing about Cecilio is that he's REALLY thick. Doesn't have any clue that he's marrying into the mafia, even though everyone's telling him that's what they are (which he assumes is a joke), and his grandfather was involved in the same kind of criminality, which again, he has no clue about whatsoever. He just thinks his grandfather collected guns and torture devices and stuff because he was really into history and a bit eccentric.
Anyway, after revealing his grandfather's past, Enrico accepted him as part of the family. Again, and I love this, Cecilio has no freaking clue whatsoever that both his family and his fiancee's family are mobsters. Because Cecilio has an accounting degree, he's taken on the role of managing finances.
So anyway, and this has been claimed, each night Beatrice and I can go into our room, which is the flavor way of us being able to night communicate.
Basically was looking for that same skepticism in Cecilio's flavor.