KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Grape, you’ve gotta stop yo-yo-ing on me. I don’t really have anything else to say for this Day phase, and threats to kill me won’t really change it. Sorry but not really.
Besides, it’s kind of depressing to think Kami might vig me regardless of toDay’s flip, since the LnGR went poof a second time.
Grape, you’ve gotta stop yo-yo-ing on me. I don’t really have anything else to say for this Day phase, and threats to kill me won’t really change it. Sorry but not really.
Besides, it’s kind of depressing to think Kami might vig me regardless of toDay’s flip, since the LnGR went poof a second time.
What is your logic behind the no lynch not happening? We already get a flip toDay.
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also have to say I don't really like anyone voting Vezok right now either from a "not sure if town" or a "Not sure I trust their judgment" sense. Makes me feel a bit better about that wagon being eh.
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Yup, I think he is compromised in other, non alignment ways. Still lock town on KJ?
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Highroller: I'd still like answers to who is scum on the Rhand wagon. Also actually the Last wagon. I want to see if your actually having those thoughts. I want to see if you've followed that thought train to it's logical conclusion.
Tom's frequent Snipes about me being scum with *player name* but let's not solve that right now is bugging me. I feel like he thinks he needs to keep me Lynchable. I think town Tom doesn't handle me like that.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Tom's frequent Snipes about me being scum with *player name* but let's not solve that right now is bugging me. I feel like he thinks he needs to keep me Lynchable. I think town Tom doesn't handle me like that.
first of all, towntom handles lots of people like that
Second, that's not at all why im not worrying about you today
Highroller: I'd still like answers to who is scum on the Rhand wagon. Also actually the Last wagon.
I don't know. Frankly, I don't give a damn about your questions, Killjoy, because we both know that the real one "testing the waters" is you trying to turn the town on me. If you actually have any intentions of being useful, figure out why people are voting Vaimes, because we all know damn well that sudden shift isn't on the level.
Vote: LnG
There was a reason not to vote him but I don't remember what it was. And having 2 people I'm not at all confident are town follow me is not great.
Will vot Tubba if this doesn't happen fast.
Going to be spotty for a bit. Family landed today. Do I'm maxo distracto.
Tom, are you saying that's not a thing that scum does?
Highroller, do you realize how scummy you're being? Stubbornly not answering questions is a scum thing. Scum reading people for bad reasons is a scum thing. Saying "there's scum in this pool' and then literally never following through on that thought train ESPECIALLY WHEN ASKED is a scum thing. Dude. I'm not making you look bad. You are.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Vote: LnG
There was a reason not to vote him but I don't remember what it was. And having 2 people I'm not at all confident are town follow me is not great.
Will vot Tubba if this doesn't happen fast.
Going to be spotty for a bit. Family landed today. Do I'm maxo distracto.
lngrr didn't perform the nightkill (if rod and chris are both truthing)
@Highroller: I've laid out my case on Vaimes before. TL;DR: his voting behavior is bad and he's not scumhunting. If you want more detail you can find it in my earlier posts.
@Highroller: I've laid out my case on Vaimes before. TL;DR: his voting behavior is bad and he's not scumhunting. If you want more detail you can find it in my earlier posts.
Well at least you answered my question, which puts you at the head of the class, but that still doesn't answer my previous question: What about that makes Vaimes MORE worthy of a lynch than someone involved in the no nightkill situation we had today?
@Highroller: I've laid out my case on Vaimes before. TL;DR: his voting behavior is bad and he's not scumhunting. If you want more detail you can find it in my earlier posts.
Well at least you answered my question, which puts you at the head of the class, but that still doesn't answer my previous question: What about that makes Vaimes MORE worthy of a lynch than someone involved in the no nightkill situation we had today?
Nothing, if we get viability on lngr or vezok I'll switch there. I'm just more worried about a no-kill.
@Highroller: I've laid out my case on Vaimes before. TL;DR: his voting behavior is bad and he's not scumhunting. If you want more detail you can find it in my earlier posts.
Well at least you answered my question, which puts you at the head of the class, but that still doesn't answer my previous question: What about that makes Vaimes MORE worthy of a lynch than someone involved in the no nightkill situation we had today?
what situation are you even referring to?
Also i just posted every peak wagon. Great time to... talk about them instead of... whatever it is you're doing
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Highroller, do you realize how scummy you're being? Stubbornly not answering questions is a scum thing. Scum reading people for bad reasons is a scum thing. Saying "there's scum in this pool' and then literally never following through on that thought train ESPECIALLY WHEN ASKED is a scum thing. Dude. I'm not making you look bad. You are.
First of all, you can parade yourself up and down as a self-styled town prosecutor all you wish, Killjoy, but I certainly don't acknowledge your authority as such.
Second, refusing to play on the mafia's terms is not mafia. You are placing me in a situation where you will ask loaded questions out of bad faith, and then either hang me by the answers or use my refusal to play along as evidence that I'm mafia. Well, it will have to be the second avenue, because I'm not going to be your monkey. "Who's the mafia?" I don't know. I've already answered that I don't know. If I did, obviously I would have proclaimed as such and called for their lynch, right? Clearly. So maybe I'm trying to figure that out. What a thought.
But no, instead you're trying to interrogate me, someone you even said seems to be town, instead of actually looking into the multiple bandwagon shifts going on today - to say nothing of the other times this has happened this game. You post asinine nonsense like, "Oh, it seems like Highroller's trying to test the waters for a bandwagon" when there is a massive bandwagon shift right before your very eyes with people who have yet to account for their reasoning. Where's your interrogation of Rodemy? That whole thing he did just now was weird. What about LnGrrrR and KamikazeArchon? I suppose you looked at them and thought, "Yep, everything about this is totally kosher. Nothing I need to look more deeply into."
But yeah, keep arguing that you're actually trying to look for the mafia.
@Highroller: I've laid out my case on Vaimes before. TL;DR: his voting behavior is bad and he's not scumhunting. If you want more detail you can find it in my earlier posts.
Well at least you answered my question, which puts you at the head of the class, but that still doesn't answer my previous question: What about that makes Vaimes MORE worthy of a lynch than someone involved in the no nightkill situation we had today?
Nothing, if we get viability on lngr or vezok I'll switch there. I'm just more worried about a no-kill.
What are you talking about?
We HAD viability on Vezok, up until less than a page ago when 4 people - yourself included - suddenly switched wagons. Were you to switch to Vezok, Vezok would once again be viable. What the hell do you mean, "if we get viability"? Why is viability only an issue when it means switching your vote TO vezok as opposed to voting for someone who isn't vezok when vezok had the plurality of votes? Shouldn't you have voted Vezok, then, as opposed to Vaimes, when there was - allegedly - nothing to make you vote Vaimes over vezok?
But I don't even know why I'm wssting my time trying to prove you're not town, because it seems to be the prevailing belief already that you're not town - and for some reason, you're still alive! So this is a waste of breath. I guess I should just try to find the other (hopefully) two non-towns.
I'm just barely accepting that we should give vezok 1 more chance to act.
Setup spec tells me there's *rarely* 5 town in [bodyguard+1 shot jailkeeper+bulletproof+vigilante+roleblocker]
Last was town, rodemy almost definitely is, Chris probably is...
Kami could be town, could be sk, off chance of mafia
Vezok...
Setup spec tells me there's *rarely* 5 town in [bodyguard+1 shot jailkeeper+bulletproof+vigilante+roleblocker]
This is what I was referring to when I was talking about the situation of no nightkill today. We had at least one nightkill that went *somewhere* and a bunch of people claiming to be the reason why. There is no way they're all town.
Kami could be town, could be sk, off chance of mafia
You said earlier he was more likely to be an SK than town. Do you still feel that?
Actually, I'd like an audience poll here: what do you all think KA's alignment is?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Setup spec tells me there's *rarely* 5 town in [bodyguard+1 shot jailkeeper+bulletproof+vigilante+roleblocker]
This is what I was referring to when I was talking about the situation of no nightkill today. We had at least one nightkill that went *somewhere* and a bunch of people claiming to be the reason why. There is no way they're all town.
Kami could be town, could be sk, off chance of mafia
You said earlier he was more likely to be an SK than town. Do you still feel that?
Actually, I'd like an audience poll here: what do you all think KA's alignment is?
ah now we're getting somewhere
That has nothing to do with the nightkill for me, just too much protection for town to have, possibly even if kami is sk (which ftr I think is not as likely as town, but its prolly not that far off in a vacuum.)
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Vezokpiraka (4): Killjoy, Vaimes, KamikazeArchon, Highroller
Vaimes (3): vezokpiraka, tomsloger, Grapefruit21
Tubba Fett (2): Sir Chris, LnGrrrR
LnGrrrR (1): Tubba Fett
Not Voting (2): RE1031, Rodemy
V/LA: -
With 12 alive, it’s 7 to lynch. Deadline is on April 5th, 10 PM GMT. (~34h from this post!)
I’ll be okay with a nolynch as well considering we already have one death today.
But that’s probably gonna get shot down.
Grape, you’ve gotta stop yo-yo-ing on me. I don’t really have anything else to say for this Day phase, and threats to kill me won’t really change it. Sorry but not really.
Besides, it’s kind of depressing to think Kami might vig me regardless of toDay’s flip, since the LnGR went poof a second time.
What is your logic behind the no lynch not happening? We already get a flip toDay.
I don’t really consider that part of the game, so didn’t think of it that way.
But it’s silly not to try and lynch scum, regardless of osie’s flip.
Yeaaaahh... okay
In what universe does a modkill happen and anyone thinks “oh okay, guess we don’t have to lynch anyone!”
Vote Vaimes
Believe that's L-2 Vaimes.
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K-1.
This marks the what-th time this has happened this game?
Yup, I think he is compromised in other, non alignment ways. Still lock town on KJ?
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Vaimes (6): vezokpiraka, tomsloger, Grapefruit21, Rodemy, LnGrrrR, KamikazeArchon
Vezokpiraka (3): Killjoy, Vaimes, Highroller
Tubba Fett (1): Sir Chris
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With 12 alive, it’s 7 to lynch. Deadline is on April 5th, 10 PM GMT. (~25h 30min from this post!)
Still not lynching Vaimes.
I'm not sure how I feel about that.
Self-pres etc., but if he flips scum boy am I gonna rub it in.
I'm not horribly opposed to a No Lynch, but still don't really think it's optimal at all.
Tom's frequent Snipes about me being scum with *player name* but let's not solve that right now is bugging me. I feel like he thinks he needs to keep me Lynchable. I think town Tom doesn't handle me like that.
We could rub it in together by dunking LnGgrr.
Second, that's not at all why im not worrying about you today
I don't know. Frankly, I don't give a damn about your questions, Killjoy, because we both know that the real one "testing the waters" is you trying to turn the town on me. If you actually have any intentions of being useful, figure out why people are voting Vaimes, because we all know damn well that sudden shift isn't on the level.
There was a reason not to vote him but I don't remember what it was. And having 2 people I'm not at all confident are town follow me is not great.
Will vot Tubba if this doesn't happen fast.
Going to be spotty for a bit. Family landed today. Do I'm maxo distracto.
Highroller, do you realize how scummy you're being? Stubbornly not answering questions is a scum thing. Scum reading people for bad reasons is a scum thing. Saying "there's scum in this pool' and then literally never following through on that thought train ESPECIALLY WHEN ASKED is a scum thing. Dude. I'm not making you look bad. You are.
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Last(5): highroller, vez, Rod, Grape, kami321
Grape (5):
rhand,anak, tom, Vaimes, rod366
Lngrr (5): highroller,
Last, vaimes, tubba, tom469
RE (8): highroller, grape,
anak, Kami, Vaimes,Last, rhand, tubba1467
rhand(9): re, Chris, Vaimes, Kami, Tubba, Vezok, rod, tom,Last1812
Kami (5): LnGrr,
Anak,osi, vezok, chris2149
osi(7): rod, vezok, lngrr, tom, Highroller, Vaimes, grape2712
LnGrrrR (5): Tubba Fett, Vaimes, Highroller, KamikazeArchon, Rodemy
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Vaimes (6): vezok, tom, Grape, Rodemy, LnGrr, Kami
Lowers scum equity by... an amount
How is that relevant Mr "I think town Tom doesn't handle me like that."?
Lngrr (5): highroller,
Last, vaimes, tubba, tom2712
LnGrr (5): Tubba, Vaimes, Highroller, Kami, Rodemy
Same 3 slots on both peaks of lngrr wagon 2300+ posts apart is interesting
Also i just posted every peak wagon. Great time to... talk about them instead of... whatever it is you're doing
It's relevant because I get the feeling you'd prefer I not scum read you.
I dont prefer anything. I think you *shouldnt* scumread me. But im not rooting for either outcome just watching the results
Second, refusing to play on the mafia's terms is not mafia. You are placing me in a situation where you will ask loaded questions out of bad faith, and then either hang me by the answers or use my refusal to play along as evidence that I'm mafia. Well, it will have to be the second avenue, because I'm not going to be your monkey. "Who's the mafia?" I don't know. I've already answered that I don't know. If I did, obviously I would have proclaimed as such and called for their lynch, right? Clearly. So maybe I'm trying to figure that out. What a thought.
But no, instead you're trying to interrogate me, someone you even said seems to be town, instead of actually looking into the multiple bandwagon shifts going on today - to say nothing of the other times this has happened this game. You post asinine nonsense like, "Oh, it seems like Highroller's trying to test the waters for a bandwagon" when there is a massive bandwagon shift right before your very eyes with people who have yet to account for their reasoning. Where's your interrogation of Rodemy? That whole thing he did just now was weird. What about LnGrrrR and KamikazeArchon? I suppose you looked at them and thought, "Yep, everything about this is totally kosher. Nothing I need to look more deeply into."
But yeah, keep arguing that you're actually trying to look for the mafia.
What are you talking about?
We HAD viability on Vezok, up until less than a page ago when 4 people - yourself included - suddenly switched wagons. Were you to switch to Vezok, Vezok would once again be viable. What the hell do you mean, "if we get viability"? Why is viability only an issue when it means switching your vote TO vezok as opposed to voting for someone who isn't vezok when vezok had the plurality of votes? Shouldn't you have voted Vezok, then, as opposed to Vaimes, when there was - allegedly - nothing to make you vote Vaimes over vezok?
But I don't even know why I'm wssting my time trying to prove you're not town, because it seems to be the prevailing belief already that you're not town - and for some reason, you're still alive! So this is a waste of breath. I guess I should just try to find the other (hopefully) two non-towns.
... Y'know... The one where we didn't have a nightkill this morning? I don't know how that's not self-explanatory.
You missed Vezok.
Tubba (3): Chris, Tom, vaimes
LnGrr (2): Tubba, grape
Vezok (2): Killjoy, Highroller
Not Voting (1): RE
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Pretty happy with vaimes/tubba wagons
I'm just barely accepting that we should give vezok 1 more chance to act.
Setup spec tells me there's *rarely* 5 town in [bodyguard+1 shot jailkeeper+bulletproof+vigilante+roleblocker]
Last was town, rodemy almost definitely is, Chris probably is...
Kami could be town, could be sk, off chance of mafia
Vezok...
You said earlier he was more likely to be an SK than town. Do you still feel that?
Actually, I'd like an audience poll here: what do you all think KA's alignment is?
Do you believe Chris?
Rod?
Kami?
Vezok?
Osi also hasn't flipped...
That has nothing to do with the nightkill for me, just too much protection for town to have, possibly even if kami is sk (which ftr I think is not as likely as town, but its prolly not that far off in a vacuum.)