@Chris: What is your opinion on Osie's hypothesis of the "car salesman"? I called it out in #2160 and never got a satisfactory answer, and others mentioned it and didn't get answers either. Quoting from my 2160:
Osie:
But the Tau-town-tinfoil is that could see it being the case that EtR pulled a car salesman on Tau and made them decide that they wanted to buy into the car/gambit. A similar, more likely possibility is that scum!Tau suggested the Gambit as if they were town and EtR bought into it.
How can EtR pull a car salesman on Tau when, by both of their accounts, EtR didn't post anything in the pre-game thread?
How can Tau suggest that gambit "as if they were town"? The gambit literally involves claiming scum in the pre-game thread.
Associatives for future reference. The obvious ones:
town!Osie -> town!Chris (major force in turning the wagon away here)
scum!anak -> town!tom (on Mind/Anak much of the game)
More speculative:
scum!anak -?> town!Chris (without the push against Osie, Anak would live today)
scum!Osie -?> town!tom (lighter than the anak-tom connection because this feels more plausibly like it could be distance/bus)
town!anak -??> scum!tom (Very light - town/town conflict is quite plausible here, but certainly it doesn't make Tom look better.)
Eww. This excludes so many perfectly possible and reasonable worlds.
And Anak flipping scum in no way clears Tom.
Which worlds am I excluding?
Do you mean associatives I didn't cover? This wasn't meant to be an exhaustive list of possibilities, just the ones that give associatives I've already seen. For example, town!Osie doesn't immediately say anything, even about Tom (less so than town!anak, IMO).
Hm, who are your town? I feel like you don't process through data at a good clip, Osi. Because for Tom to be scum with Anak it requires a certain scum team because I literally asked Tom to pick his poison on who dies instead of you and he picked Anak. So in reasonable worlds where Tom and Anak are scum, who are the other two?
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Hm, who are your town? I feel like you don't process through data at a good clip, Osi. Because for Tom to be scum with Anak it requires a certain scum team because I literally asked Tom to pick his poison on who dies instead of you and he picked Anak. So in reasonable worlds where Tom and Anak are scum, who are the other two?
Is there something wrong with a Tom-Anak-Kami-Vezok world?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Hm, who are your town? I feel like you don't process through data at a good clip, Osi. Because for Tom to be scum with Anak it requires a certain scum team because I literally asked Tom to pick his poison on who dies instead of you and he picked Anak. So in reasonable worlds where Tom and Anak are scum, who are the other two?
Is there something wrong with a Tom-Anak-Kami-Vezok world?
Why did Tom ever agree to unvote you?
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@Chris: What is your opinion on Osie's hypothesis of the "car salesman"? I called it out in #2160 and never got a satisfactory answer, and others mentioned it and didn't get answers either. Quoting from my 2160:
Osie:
But the Tau-town-tinfoil is that could see it being the case that EtR pulled a car salesman on Tau and made them decide that they wanted to buy into the car/gambit. A similar, more likely possibility is that scum!Tau suggested the Gambit as if they were town and EtR bought into it.
How can EtR pull a car salesman on Tau when, by both of their accounts, EtR didn't post anything in the pre-game thread?
How can Tau suggest that gambit "as if they were town"? The gambit literally involves claiming scum in the pre-game thread.
Sorry I never got back to you on that.
I had misread this, as I recently mentioned. But it does happen all the time that people sell other people on ideas by convincing those others that it was their idea in the first place.
Tau (and probably Tom) pretending it was a town gambit to score points and then using whatever four names popped up sounds more likely, though maybe I'm projecting my own love of FPS there. I'm becoming more willing to believe that it might just be a town gambit, but I still have my doubts.
However, as stated osi isnt that scummy. A little scummy, yes. But theoretically in his town range. Hed definitely be more likely to actually explain reads as town which hes clearly not doing here, but thats not what this is about.
But id need to see you convinced (and convincing) that johnny was town since thats the thing im convinced otherwise.
Osi is whatever, i can see a lot of scum motivation/mindset to his posts but not enough to make me this certain and largely circumstantial anyway
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Hm, who are your town? I feel like you don't process through data at a good clip, Osi. Because for Tom to be scum with Anak it requires a certain scum team because I literally asked Tom to pick his poison on who dies instead of you and he picked Anak. So in reasonable worlds where Tom and Anak are scum, who are the other two?
Is there something wrong with a Tom-Anak-Kami-Vezok world?
JOHNNY went through in iso to figure where the gut came from. Think it was a lack of thoughtfulness that, like, yeah lolday1 and johnny is a pretty aggresive sort but
Like his whole iso is so binary. Even accounting for this being generally binary alignment game its pretty striking. Theres no third option for anything he has an opinion on.
Its always this or this. Even when he manipulates people into getting off him im not a wolf OR bad those Arent the only choices Jonathan
He also veers into mafia theory too easy for my liking. Its early on and its meh but i dont like it anyway.
Been trying to find the words to describe one thing and failing for awhile
Meanspirited howling
Emotional manipulation
Forcing binary choices
Think i might have said gaslighting at some point
Theyre all kind of true. But...
So like his main contribution, overshadowing everything else hes done at least in my mind, is simply
"Townread me or youre a wolf"
Idk what percentage of his posts, but ot feels like its the lions share of his oomph.
I said earlier it's been townread johnny>he townreads you. Its how hes treated me in the extreme but theres some elements of it throughout all his reads.
And i know its strategic because no way he really believes that regardless and it feels like a really unpleasant version of scumempoof just calling himself town til everyone accidentally starts believeing it in champs
I am a wolf because i refuse to believe johnny is town.
Is that johnny hunting or is that johnny getting people to townread him?
I scumread him but I'm not sure why.
I'm upset so I'm scumreading him.
Not worth calming down, still scumreading him based on previous reasons and because he doesn't agree with me.
I feel like Johnny's an ******** so he's a wolf.
I refuse to spend any more energy reading here.
That's not reading a slot.
is the beginning of your bull***** manufactured persecution complex
Really need to stop getting drawn in but yall seem to fall so easily for his nonsensical emotional manipulation.
Hes hiding even more in his faux indignation since it started working.
Like, realize what he could be doing instead of whining at me and cherry picking posts.
He has no response to anything relevant. Hes amended his top townread to scum with me *guess the ******* scum motivation*
Johnny cared more about being townread than solving. Thats irrefutable fact.
Osi cares more about playing the victim than reading enough to make his "worldview" make sense
Yes, Sir Chris is most known for falling for emotional ploys. A staple of my game for sure.
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Chris: How do you square a scum!anak read with a scum!tom read? Yes, bussing exists - but do you think their interactions specifically have been a likely situation for bussing, and why? Do you see anything in the posts that points to them being bus/distancing?
Okay, you know what? Let's have a talk real quick and real fast. I didn't earn all of these town awards years ago by being dumb. I won them by being really smart, actually. In fact I would say when I am able to parse through information on a desktop and not be an idiot on mobile all day as I often am in shorter games I may be the best town clearer in the entire room. There. I just put my dick on the table for you, Tom. Honestly? What you are saying doesn't match up with any posts I have read. Cite examples. CITE EXAMPLES. His logic has been flawed but honestly Osi hasn't been seeming like much of a victim complex type to me when I read the posts. GJ seemed to care a great deal about solving as I read back. I am open to the possibility that I am mistaken, as always, but you have done a HORRIFIC job of proving your case and I am not going to be disrespected and told I failed. No, Tom, YOU FAILED.
Now if you want to pay "who has the bigger dick" some more we can, or you can stop using inflammatory language meant to bait responses and prove your case. I am not seeing it. If it's there, say it another way.
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Chris: How do you square a scum!anak read with a scum!tom read? Yes, bussing exists - but do you think their interactions specifically have been a likely situation for bussing, and why? Do you see anything in the posts that points to them being bus/distancing?
I don't, it is why I was asking Osi to explain their read. It makes no sense for scum tom to be with scum Anak.
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I also just put Tom as solidly town in my reads list. Where did you get that I thought otherwise?
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Chris i dont care how big our dicks are. I think osi is scum. And i have absolutely explained it better than youve explained hes town. Not gonna say its a slam dunk or anything, but this thread really doesnt need more of me in it right now. Dont care anymore, fine with lynching anak first
I like having the wagons tied. With a couple days left and a bunch of people off in nowhereland I want everyone to have to take a stance.
Anyway Anak's reply wasn't great. There is a cognitive dissonance between praising Sir Chris for coming in being enthused and energized and recognizing him as town while disliking other players recognizing the same thing and following like lemmings. And that's before really differentiating between a group of sheeps feels so wrong to me. Even if I accept the reading of Anak having respect for Chris going back that makes it harder to swallow, that wouldn't make the sheeping votes bad, just wrong from his POV. They would be good votes because sheeping Chris is a smart thing to do.
Then there was all the wonky mindset stuff about calling Osie scum while giving Chris credit for moving the wagon off Osie.
Anway my other little things from yesterday: Vaimes not doing anything except moving his vote is actually a bad look and the vote I'd have expected Anak to single out. He's been more or less not a presence in the thread unlike KJ and myself. His vote is the one that could be easily seen as opportunistic given his lack of focus anywhere else. It's the one that looks like it could have been a response to a buddy yelling "get in there and do x."
Lumping Osie in with the other votes is equally silly. Self preservation votes are to be expected and more or less NAI. If you want to paint Osie as scum there is plenty to do it with but that vote isn't one of the reasons.
I had some thoughts on tom's self meta but they aren't really relevant to this game. More or less I think the performance aspect is very honest and accurate. One question: do you think you slip out of "character" much?
Ka can be town. I doubt he fights such a stupid fight as scum. He actually believes what he is saying and I am certain that scum don't try to push a town lynch day 1 just cause.
Tubba is nullish town. He's too absent, but I've seen some town glimpses.
Dv and GJ are both town.
Mindreaver is probably my second scumread. His posts just seem agenda driven, but tom attacking him makes me ho "huh".
I see a world where all town reads except KA are town (explained a lot on that one, whereas for my slot and GJ is just 'TOWN') and 2/3 of his scum reads are town.
Rule of 3 after all
tom town
rhand town
anak scum
would make sense to me!
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I didn't know deadline is so close. I'll try to finish my reread tomorrow and hopefully get a Rhand case going.
"I am not done re-readng but I have already decided Rhand is going to be my lynch target."
- Scum
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@grape
I probably drop out of character some amount. But ill never admit when or how
Not really this game. Some of my frustration has been real i guess, but thats more folded in to persona than taking myself out of it (and some amount of that frustration wasnt game related anyway)
I didn't know deadline is so close. I'll try to finish my reread tomorrow and hopefully get a Rhand case going.
"I am not done re-readng but I have already decided Rhand is going to be my lynch target."
- Scum
WTF are you talking about? I can't decide who to lynch if I haven't read every single post? OF course I decided Rhand was going to be the person I was going to try and lynch before fully catching up. Saying I can't decide on something after reading 90% of the thread up to them is just a bad attack.
Your attack feels fabricated, try again.
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@Tom, reading Mind's ISO, and you said you hated his read on Rhand/Etr. Could you explain why? Also, in Secret Agent you were sure that Rhand was scum and you were wrong there. Do you just not let mistakes bother you, or what?
Anak's reads list doesn't have any strong scum or town reads, which feels off. Lean here, lean there.
@Anak, you had a townlean on Vez. Is his jump on you enough to make you scumread him suddenly?
Sir Chris can inherit DV's towny read. I played some game recently where Sir Chris was scum, he jumped onto me for something and I attacked him, and then he tried to placate me. Don't see him doing that this game with Tom. He's far more of a "DGAF, who runs the world? Sir Chris" mode here.
I didn't know deadline is so close. I'll try to finish my reread tomorrow and hopefully get a Rhand case going.
"I am not done re-readng but I have already decided Rhand is going to be my lynch target."
- Scum
WTF are you talking about? I can't decide who to lynch if I haven't read every single post? OF course I decided Rhand was going to be the person I was going to try and lynch before fully catching up. Saying I can't decide on something after reading 90% of the thread up to them is just a bad attack.
Your attack feels fabricated, try again.
Oh Vezo, the fun we will have tomorrow.
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@grape
I probably drop out of character some amount. But ill never admit when or how
Not really this game. Some of my frustration has been real i guess, but thats more folded in to persona than taking myself out of it (and some amount of that frustration wasnt game related anyway)
Yeah fair enough that's what I expected. I definitely picked up on some non game frustration towards the end of D1.
Now I want to read a bunch of your non posting restriction games and see if I can pick up on any different persona.
I'm going to do some digging on Vaimes/Anak/Osie and make sure there aren't any disassociatives I'm missing.
Well, Grapefruit you are my favorite person because you voted Osie and then followed that up by carving Anak into small, diced pieces and serving him with a side of wasabi sauce for the player base at large. I think you believe in fluidity in game flow as much as I do, and having it be ties creates surface tension and tells us a lot. I have a good faith belief you are town and that you will make a good decision before all is said and done.
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Well apart from the faith in me making good decisions that all makes sense. I'm a master of saying and doing reasonable things and then making awful decisions. Luckily people only seem to remember the first half!
Do you have thoughts on Tubba/LnGrrrR yet? I'm very interested in your Tubba read in particular at this stage.
Really need to stop getting drawn in but yall seem to fall so easily for his nonsensical emotional manipulation.
Hes hiding even more in his faux indignation since it started working.
Like, realize what he could be doing instead of whining at me and cherry picking posts.
He has no response to anything relevant. Hes amended his top townread to scum with me *guess the ******* scum motivation*
Johnny cared more about being townread than solving. Thats irrefutable fact.
Osi cares more about playing the victim than reading enough to make his "worldview" make sense
Dont fall for it
First off, breathe a little bit. You're so much prettier when you're aloof.
While I don't think the GJ slot was all that town, at this point the only reason I'm not coming after you for how hard you're gunning for osie is that even if he is a mislynch, you wouldn't be pushing this hard for it. Especially given you're perfectly fine with killing Anak.
Well apart from the faith in me making good decisions that all makes sense. I'm a master of saying and doing reasonable things and then making awful decisions. Luckily people only seem to remember the first half!
Do you have thoughts on Tubba/LnGrrrR yet? I'm very interested in your Tubba read in particular at this stage.
I don't have one, but Vezok had a post that makes me think they aren't w/w
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Chris came in, said Osie was town, most people sheeped him and we have tied wagons on Osie and Anak. Anak didn't exactly sparkle under pressure in his two big posts.
You're being floated as a very plausible partner for Anak.
Chris came in, said Osie was town, most people sheeped him and we have tied wagons on Osie and Anak. Anak didn't exactly sparkle under pressure in his two big posts.
You're being floated as a very plausible partner for Anak.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I mean it could be but you aren't being reasonable tbqh
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I am not overly worried about Vaimes as he is a fringe 4th for me atm. Vezok is like dead in the water.
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@Vaimes completely fair and iirc you had announced that. I'm definitely not worried about your amount of playing, just felt the pop in was wolfy. If you just be you I'm sure it will clear itself up.
As for my play this game, you know I've drastically changed my style because of KJ's check. It just so happened that I was intentionally playing that way to start the game as well to use the Wisp wagon for reactions.
Do you mean associatives I didn't cover? This wasn't meant to be an exhaustive list of possibilities, just the ones that give associatives I've already seen. For example, town!Osie doesn't immediately say anything, even about Tom (less so than town!anak, IMO).
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Is there something wrong with a Tom-Anak-Kami-Vezok world?
As for town reads, I'm at you, KJ, Grape, probably Vaimes and possibly RE/EtR
I've been processing slower due to the work week starting pretty much immediately after I was subbed in.
Why did Tom ever agree to unvote you?
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Sorry I never got back to you on that.
I had misread this, as I recently mentioned. But it does happen all the time that people sell other people on ideas by convincing those others that it was their idea in the first place.
Tau (and probably Tom) pretending it was a town gambit to score points and then using whatever four names popped up sounds more likely, though maybe I'm projecting my own love of FPS there. I'm becoming more willing to believe that it might just be a town gambit, but I still have my doubts.
...
I can keep going.
I came around on you with the KJ-Grape pairing. That looked legitimate to me.
Has he unvoted me yet?
Im not gonba repeat them every time i refer to you
And this
is the beginning of your bull***** manufactured persecution complex
Hes hiding even more in his faux indignation since it started working.
Like, realize what he could be doing instead of whining at me and cherry picking posts.
He has no response to anything relevant. Hes amended his top townread to scum with me *guess the ******* scum motivation*
Johnny cared more about being townread than solving. Thats irrefutable fact.
Osi cares more about playing the victim than reading enough to make his "worldview" make sense
Dont fall for it
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Anaklusmos (6): Sir Chris, Grapefruit21, osieorb18, Killjoy, Vaimes, vezokpiraka
osieorb18 (4): LnGrrrR, tomsloger, Highroller, Anaklusmos
LnGrrrR (1): KamikazeArchon
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Not that different though
Now if you want to pay "who has the bigger dick" some more we can, or you can stop using inflammatory language meant to bait responses and prove your case. I am not seeing it. If it's there, say it another way.
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I don't, it is why I was asking Osi to explain their read. It makes no sense for scum tom to be with scum Anak.
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Vote: Osie
I like having the wagons tied. With a couple days left and a bunch of people off in nowhereland I want everyone to have to take a stance.
Anyway Anak's reply wasn't great. There is a cognitive dissonance between praising Sir Chris for coming in being enthused and energized and recognizing him as town while disliking other players recognizing the same thing and following like lemmings. And that's before really differentiating between a group of sheeps feels so wrong to me. Even if I accept the reading of Anak having respect for Chris going back that makes it harder to swallow, that wouldn't make the sheeping votes bad, just wrong from his POV. They would be good votes because sheeping Chris is a smart thing to do.
Then there was all the wonky mindset stuff about calling Osie scum while giving Chris credit for moving the wagon off Osie.
Anway my other little things from yesterday: Vaimes not doing anything except moving his vote is actually a bad look and the vote I'd have expected Anak to single out. He's been more or less not a presence in the thread unlike KJ and myself. His vote is the one that could be easily seen as opportunistic given his lack of focus anywhere else. It's the one that looks like it could have been a response to a buddy yelling "get in there and do x."
Lumping Osie in with the other votes is equally silly. Self preservation votes are to be expected and more or less NAI. If you want to paint Osie as scum there is plenty to do it with but that vote isn't one of the reasons.
I had some thoughts on tom's self meta but they aren't really relevant to this game. More or less I think the performance aspect is very honest and accurate. One question: do you think you slip out of "character" much?
I see a world where all town reads except KA are town (explained a lot on that one, whereas for my slot and GJ is just 'TOWN') and 2/3 of his scum reads are town.
Rule of 3 after all
tom town
rhand town
anak scum
would make sense to me!
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"I am not done re-readng but I have already decided Rhand is going to be my lynch target."
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I probably drop out of character some amount. But ill never admit when or how
Not really this game. Some of my frustration has been real i guess, but thats more folded in to persona than taking myself out of it (and some amount of that frustration wasnt game related anyway)
WTF are you talking about? I can't decide who to lynch if I haven't read every single post? OF course I decided Rhand was going to be the person I was going to try and lynch before fully catching up. Saying I can't decide on something after reading 90% of the thread up to them is just a bad attack.
Your attack feels fabricated, try again.
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Anak's reads list doesn't have any strong scum or town reads, which feels off. Lean here, lean there.
@Anak, you had a townlean on Vez. Is his jump on you enough to make you scumread him suddenly?
Sir Chris can inherit DV's towny read. I played some game recently where Sir Chris was scum, he jumped onto me for something and I attacked him, and then he tried to placate me. Don't see him doing that this game with Tom. He's far more of a "DGAF, who runs the world? Sir Chris" mode here.
Gonna reread GJ/Osie next.
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Yeah fair enough that's what I expected. I definitely picked up on some non game frustration towards the end of D1.
Now I want to read a bunch of your non posting restriction games and see if I can pick up on any different persona.
I'm going to do some digging on Vaimes/Anak/Osie and make sure there aren't any disassociatives I'm missing.
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What's the tl;dr.
Do you have thoughts on Tubba/LnGrrrR yet? I'm very interested in your Tubba read in particular at this stage.
While I don't think the GJ slot was all that town, at this point the only reason I'm not coming after you for how hard you're gunning for osie is that even if he is a mislynch, you wouldn't be pushing this hard for it. Especially given you're perfectly fine with killing Anak.
I don't have one, but Vezok had a post that makes me think they aren't w/w
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I've been working more this week and uh, accordingly lowering this game as a priority.
Chris came in, said Osie was town, most people sheeped him and we have tied wagons on Osie and Anak. Anak didn't exactly sparkle under pressure in his two big posts.
You're being floated as a very plausible partner for Anak.
Stop that.
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Might be able to do another on vaimes going the wrong way on grape rn
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As for my play this game, you know I've drastically changed my style because of KJ's check. It just so happened that I was intentionally playing that way to start the game as well to use the Wisp wagon for reactions.
chris/rod/Grapejoy
Highroller/tubba/kami
Vaimes/re
vez/lngrr
Anak/osi
With leaving the middle tiers uncolored being extremely poignant symbolism