My only major question is for Osie: the Tau play puts a target on him. He's a player very confident in his ability to end game as scum. Why would he make a play virtually guaranteeing he doesn't end game? And corollary what is the thought process behind making that play in the chat as scum?
Potentially a 2 for 1 Gambit that raises a lot of wine in regards to who the scum is and how many are involved. Especially since Rhand+LW flipping town extremely lowers the chance of a Tom lynch, so Tom+Tau worlds fit well here. I could certainly imagine Tom coaching Tau through a play like this.
The same argument could be made for EtR, who I feel is more likely scum of the “neighbours”. (ISO me, I’ve droned about it awhile)
I will say that if Tau knew they weren’t going to be able to go the distance this game for whatever reason it makes it somewhat plausible for him to make the play as scum, but I’m not going to give that any more credence until seeing more of Highroller.
Also, how would Tom be able to coach Tau for a Day one play?
I literally saw you say "You can't convince me Johnny wasn't scum so I am stopping now" that's not him saying it, it is you. I am sorry if I brought up an invalid point of his from earlier but I was thinking of that moment. I wasn't using his words I was using yours! Johnny seems to have been having a bit of an adventure this game, not that I doubt your ability Tom but Johnny didn't seem to be in any type of range.
What do you think about my point against Rodemy? Humor me and my Osie read as if I am a scary player who is known for his world class town clearing ability in the face of all logic saying otherwise.
that was after he made a bunch of posts about people refusing to engage him. And... i didnt even stop engaging him when i said that (though i should have it just clogged up the thread and accomplished nothing other than him lying and me restating myself)
Get back to me on johnny when youve read his posts or my posts about him
Was your point on rod a real read? Assumed it was just making a point. You should go ahead and get context on that too...
If I had a vig-shot right here I'm pretty sure I'd literally always hit Tau-slot. More than halfway through reading the game and I have yet to see any reason to not do so.
So hi let's talk to the people on Osi (or Osie I am bad at shortening things) and let me tell you what this is. This is town Osie genuinely reading through the topic and at some point going "... this slot has done absolutely nothing."
1) are you arguing that scum wouldnt say to vig a lurker?
2) that is not why hes scumreading the slot.
Its actually far worse than that, but i guess ill let you find it
done nothing good* sorry I didn't mean to imply that it was a lurker slot. I mean you could just tell me as the less time I am catching up the more time I have to be in the moment with all of you. I am reading through the game but being helpful to me is never an anti-town decision tbh
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Osi wants to lynch the highroller slot because taus gambit "literally generated a mislynch"
Its what rodemy was mimicing in the post you sussed him for...
I guess telling you saves time but deprives you of the joy of discovery
Advantages to both
He also didnt explain how it generated a mislynch, and also implied that ETR, who the gambit was against, is scum with him. Which, again, isnt explained.
Because all osi is doing is saying things are so despite [reality]
Like all his reads
Or people not engaging him
Or his vote on me not being omgus
Now was Rodemy meming there? I ask because Rodemy is good. I don't think Osi appears very good (sorry Osi)
Also scum tend to live in reality at some point. It's town who know they are town who get all delusional more often than not!
and yes I will read Johnny at some point.
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Highroller needs to catch up. Clearly he's trying to read too much. Or maybe not. Oh wait, that's Tau-slot? Lynch that slot with fire for that gambit of Tau's. Take a harder look at EtR.
As for Tau, it LITERALLY GENERATED A ******* MISLYNCH. I get that you're relatively new to this game, but that's monumentally obvious scum value to anyone.
God its worse than i remember
Hes even skipping reading the replacement based on deciding the predecessor is scum (which he scumread me for)
Highroller needs to catch up. Clearly he's trying to read too much. Or maybe not. Oh wait, that's Tau-slot? Lynch that slot with fire for that gambit of Tau's. Take a harder look at EtR.
As for Tau, it LITERALLY GENERATED A ******* MISLYNCH. I get that you're relatively new to this game, but that's monumentally obvious scum value to anyone.
God its worse than i remember
Hes even skipping reading the replacement based on deciding the predecessor is scum (which he scumread me for)
**** this is me
Using internet explorer in desktop mode on my phone to do isos lol
Apparently its still signed in to my auction house account from arkham...
Okay so like... would be shocked if Osie is scum reading those posts. It's just so... flawed townie in tone <_<.
It's not a good look yes but it is so righteous in feeling.
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Tom can I pull rank or something. Or am I too senile in my old age for you? Avoiding mislynching oddball town is like my specialty!
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Now was Rodemy meming there? I ask because Rodemy is good. I don't think Osi appears very good (sorry Osi)
Also scum tend to live in reality at some point. It's town who know they are town who get all delusional more often than not!
and yes I will read Johnny at some point.
i mean, i think it was a reference for sure.
Its also not a new read he was already on johnny
Yeah thats meming
I would say rodemy and osi are of similar skill levels. Would guess osi has more games but rodemys games are spread out over a longer time period.
Dont really think of either of them as "good" but theyre both average-solid
Tom can I pull rank or something. Or am I too senile in my old age for you? Avoiding mislynching oddball town is like my specialty!
i mean you can try
Though iirc im older and i certainly know osi AND johnny better than you
But im fine with osi looking townie if youre (ahem) reaching a bit to do so because stopping a mislynch is exactly the sort of the thing townchris would want to do replacing in.
But id need to see you convinced (and convincing) that johnny was town since thats the thing im convinced otherwise.
Osi is whatever, i can see a lot of scum motivation/mindset to his posts but not enough to make me this certain and largely circumstantial anyway
My only major question is for Osie: the Tau play puts a target on him. He's a player very confident in his ability to end game as scum. Why would he make a play virtually guaranteeing he doesn't end game? And corollary what is the thought process behind making that play in the chat as scum?
Potentially a 2 for 1 Gambit that raises a lot of wine in regards to who the scum is and how many are involved. Especially since Rhand+LW flipping town extremely lowers the chance of a Tom lynch, so Tom+Tau worlds fit well here. I could certainly imagine Tom coaching Tau through a play like this.
Can you explain who Rhand/LW being town lowers the chances of tom getting majjed/condemned? Because I can see one of those lowering the odds but the second doesn't change anything at all for him. The TAUDUNKTEAM is proven false by one of those flips. Having a further one doesn't say anything about his alignment. Or if I'm misreading and that is your point why was Tau's only focus before leaving on EtR himself? It seems like having a sole focus on EtR suggests his focus wasn't to spin multiple misses off the play. As for it lowering the chances of tom dying, the gambit itself strongly raised them.
Wisp was already incredibly town read at that stage of the game, and Rhand was at that stage widely town read for his verb meta case against me. That evaporated for reasons.
Or EtR being the actual person to instigate the play but making Tau think it was their idea.
And this is just baffling to me. I don't understand how EtR could have possibly incepted Tau into thinking it was his idea short of an actual movie style inception.
@Chris I put the kid gloves on because I didn't want to get accused of not engaging with Osie. I also agree with you that the frustration reads very genuinely and a part of me wants to town read that but I'm trying to avoid doing so in this situation.
I certainly wouldn’t call myself “good”. I would call myself rusty on my town game considering i’ve Rolled scum on my past 2-3 games (haiku, PlayStation, and ghostbusters) I say 2-3 because I believe there was one town game in there somewhere, but again, i’ve Rolled mostly scum.
As for my osie read, I used the example of me seeing him as trying to perform a mislynch on my townread Tom :tm: after saying “i’d Never do this as scum”
It’s the fact he said that that got me. With the logic you used, Chris, my vote on him is logical because you voted me in the same fashion.
Except... you voted me because you townread osie and see my vote as a mislynch? Idk it was a little hard for me to follow you there.
I see him voting Tom and saying i’d Never vote for Tom as scum. To me that reads as misdirection and i’m not buying it. I scumread GJ already so osie’s vote on Tom just sort of solidified my read on him.
Now, that being said and done, if I was already on osie from the GJ side of things, why are you using the logic that I voted osie because of that? I am first on this wagon. I Stayed on that slot.
Chris, you seem like a good player, and I guess I played with you at one point, but I can’t remember when and I can’t for the life of me imagine where you thought I was “good” I haven’t won a single scum game alive, my town games have been ***** (except catching iso in friends and enemies where I almost LOST the game for us) pirates was a *****show where I made the losing vote and was way off on tom the entire game. Same with secret neighbors. I was on the wrong people the entire game there as well.
So using the argument “this is bad and very unlike Rodemy who is good” is... wrong.
I mean, unless you wanna toot my horn a bit. I’m always good for a good horn toot.
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Rod you may not have had great reads in those games, but in F&E you bled town, in pirates there was no way we (as scum) could convince town that you were scum, and to my recollection in Secret Neighbors you, despite Eco strongly suspecting you, fought tooth and nail and never came that close to dying. You may not be the type to crack a game wide open but you're really good at appearing townie when the occasion requires it.
Rod you may not have had great reads in those games, but in F&E you bled town, in pirates there was no way we (as scum) could convince town that you were scum, and to my recollection in Secret Neighbors you, despite Eco strongly suspecting you, fought tooth and nail and never came that close to dying. You may not be the type to crack a game wide open but you're really good at appearing townie when the occasion requires it.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Highroller needs to catch up. Clearly he's trying to read too much. Or maybe not. Oh wait, that's Tau-slot? Lynch that slot with fire for that gambit of Tau's. Take a harder look at EtR.
As for Tau, it LITERALLY GENERATED A ******* MISLYNCH. I get that you're relatively new to this game, but that's monumentally obvious scum value to anyone.
God its worse than i remember
Hes even skipping reading the replacement based on deciding the predecessor is scum (which he scumread me for)
Highroller needs to catch up. Clearly he's trying to read too much. Or maybe not. Oh wait, that's Tau-slot? Lynch that slot with fire for that gambit of Tau's. Take a harder look at EtR.
As for Tau, it LITERALLY GENERATED A ******* MISLYNCH. I get that you're relatively new to this game, but that's monumentally obvious scum value to anyone.
God its worse than i remember
Hes even skipping reading the replacement based on deciding the predecessor is scum (which he scumread me for)
**** this is me
Using internet explorer in desktop mode on my phone to do isos lol
Apparently its still signed in to my auction house account from arkham...
Highroller needs to catch up. Clearly he's trying to read too much. Or maybe not. Oh wait, that's Tau-slot? Lynch that slot with fire for that gambit of Tau's. Take a harder look at EtR.
As for Tau, it LITERALLY GENERATED A ******* MISLYNCH. I get that you're relatively new to this game, but that's monumentally obvious scum value to anyone.
God its worse than i remember
Hes even skipping reading the replacement based on deciding the predecessor is scum (which he scumread me for)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
My only major question is for Osie: the Tau play puts a target on him. He's a player very confident in his ability to end game as scum. Why would he make a play virtually guaranteeing he doesn't end game? And corollary what is the thought process behind making that play in the chat as scum?
Potentially a 2 for 1 Gambit that raises a lot of wine in regards to who the scum is and how many are involved. Especially since Rhand+LW flipping town extremely lowers the chance of a Tom lynch, so Tom+Tau worlds fit well here. I could certainly imagine Tom coaching Tau through a play like this.
Can you explain who Rhand/LW being town lowers the chances of tom getting majjed/condemned? Because I can see one of those lowering the odds but the second doesn't change anything at all for him. The TAUDUNKTEAM is proven false by one of those flips. Having a further one doesn't say anything about his alignment. Or if I'm misreading and that is your point why was Tau's only focus before leaving on EtR himself? It seems like having a sole focus on EtR suggests his focus wasn't to spin multiple misses off the play. As for it lowering the chances of tom dying, the gambit itself strongly raised them.
Wisp was already incredibly town read at that stage of the game, and Rhand was at that stage widely town read for his verb meta case against me. That evaporated for reasons.
Most of the time there'll be at least one actual scum in that group, possibly two. Tom is one of the better scum to put there since his scum game is strong enough that he could potentially manipulate the town into voting for the others.
Or EtR being the actual person to instigate the play but making Tau think it was their idea.
And this is just baffling to me. I don't understand how EtR could have possibly incepted Tau into thinking it was his idea short of an actual movie style inception.
It's pretty standard manipulation, though it does assume that Tau has somewhat of an ego.
@Chris I put the kid gloves on because I didn't want to get accused of not engaging with Osie. I also agree with you that the frustration reads very genuinely and a part of me wants to town read that but I'm trying to avoid doing so in this situation.
Thanks for that, I guess. It's not like you were ever particularly handwaving me off or ignoring the content of my posts like Tom has done. I feel like a new player all over again except this time it's scum Tom instead of town Megiddo reinforcing that I shouldn't even try to play.
Anyways, I'm not going to get sucked into Tom and Highroller's toxicity bubbles any more. There's been way too much of that this game. Now that I've been trying to catch up since post 2022 despite their active discouragement, I'll catch up eventually if I'm given enough time to do so, and if not, oh well, so it goes.
Can you get sucked in to something that primarily exists in your own mind?
No one has discouraged you from catching up. Im lynching your slot regardless, and i can see that being discouraging, but i pretty directly asked you to catch up. As have others since you opened the game saying you wouldnt...
Anyways, I'm not going to get sucked into Tom and Highroller's toxicity bubbles any more. There's been way too much of that this game. Now that I've been trying to catch up since post 2022 despite their active discouragement, I'll catch up eventually if I'm given enough time to do so, and if not, oh well, so it goes.
... So you post disparaging comments about how I took a long time to post because I was actually reading the thread I'm supposed to read, all the while talking about how you weren't even going to bother reading the thread you're supposed to read, but I'M being toxic?
So asking a player in a mafia game to actually play mafia is asking too much?
I just don't get the accusation being levied at the Tau slot here Osie. It's simultaneously that he was trying to spew his buddy tom clear, chain some townie deaths but he also was possibly getting manipulated by EtR. I'm just confused by what you think happened there and why it's such a red flag.
The way I see it is Tau got really excited about his chance to make a 1 in a million play, attempted it, thought he got rewarded, and then vanished. I'm inclined to believe this as his LnGrrrR "felt" real. His excitement while fake-able read genuine that barring compelling evidence otherwise I'm strongly inclined to read it as townie.
Anyway I just still don't get this quote:
Or EtR being the actual person to instigate the play but making Tau think it was their idea.
In this world are Tau, EtR, and Tom buddies? Or is it just EtR and Tom and they mindtricked Tau into this gambit? And if it is EtR why did he include a buddy with the two relative strongest town reads at the time and then attempt to walk it back?
Look I really don't want today to be a referendum on all the nastiness earlier, but I'm having a very hard time avoiding it, especially given the peculiarities of his entrance and the confounding Tau read. I kind of agree with Chris about his tone reading incredibly genuinely, but I'm not fully comfortable drawing a townie alignment conclusion from it.
I think he genuinely feels doomed by Johnny and pissed about the slot but his alignment shouldn't matter for that.
Not sure what else feels that way to you other than talking about completed games or theory. But i cant imagine it being any of his actual stances on this game.
I didn't want to talk about it but the genuine nature of it seems to stem from (and feels realest) when focused on the fact that he didn't want to play at all regardless of how anyone engaged him in that. And I agree because of the despondance reads correctly from either alignment and why I am unwilling to follow Sir Chris on that town read.
What I'm struggling with is GJ read as annoyed scum when he flamed out and I can't get past that. Osie's Tau read isn't doing me any favors in reevaluating him. And it's just not something I want to dig into beyond the Tau read, but it's hard to avoid.
So why doesn't osieorb just bow out? He's made no ambiguity about how much he does not want to play this game, and this is rapidly looking like we're going to end up policy lynching him based around his refusal to play. So just ask for a replacement.
That's not something I'm comfortable talking about in the game thread. I'm not really comfortable with my previous post, but the game is in a state where it is really hard to avoid talking about this stuff.
I dunno.
I'd rather just wait and see if I get answers re your slot and his read on it.
Anaklusmos I don't really have a read on, to be honest. I could be wrong on Mindreaver. The only game I particularly remember of his is Avalon which was, well, Avalon.
But I did like Mindreaver's tone here. I read parts of some of his longer posts and found myself nodding along.
Why do you keep mentioning your (supposed) role when it literally means nothing?
Not hugely invested in the game, in case you couldn't tell, so it's one of the only pieces of info that I solidly have instead of just kinda limp-wristedly guessing at. If I was scum, I'd just ask my buddies to catch me up, but I don't have that luxury.
Mindreaver-slot is probably town for solid analysis posts.
The bolded, in particular
What is he nodding along with in those posts if he doesnt know the posts theyre referring to yet?
Liking tone and "solid analysis posts" is fake townread 101
Anaklusmos I don't really have a read on, to be honest. I could be wrong on Mindreaver. The only game I particularly remember of his is Avalon which was, well, Avalon.
But I did like Mindreaver's tone here. I read parts of some of his longer posts and found myself nodding along.
Why do you keep mentioning your (supposed) role when it literally means nothing?
Not hugely invested in the game, in case you couldn't tell, so it's one of the only pieces of info that I solidly have instead of just kinda limp-wristedly guessing at. If I was scum, I'd just ask my buddies to catch me up, but I don't have that luxury.
Mindreaver-slot is probably town for solid analysis posts.
The bolded, in particular
What is he nodding along with in those posts if he doesnt know the posts theyre referring to yet?
Liking tone and "solid analysis posts" is fake townread 101
Just for posterity I'm still going to claim being correct if Osie flips scum for my tom/GJ has one scum from D1. Even though I spent most of today barking up the wrong tree. That barking caused some things that I had nothing to do with directly and here we are now.
My vote is virtually on Osie, just not ready to end the day while Chris, HR, and others are still catching up.
Osie is probably town what are you guys playing at here? Especially Vaimes (your vote on me when I was announced and noted btw) who says they were town reading GJ ans then suddenly Osie comes in, literally admits that they thought my slot was town and GJ was scum at a glance, and then just keeps posting things.
What's the exact case? Vaimes' vote is uh interesting considering they go from town lean to scum lean and I don't understand that.
Hi Chris.
I had GJ in a group of four players I thought contained ~two scum. Initially I had him as the least scummy, but osie's three-strike entrance sunk that pretty hard (the "yikes" being due to the stated intent to not read the game, giving reads without reading the game, and the pretty hypocritical Highroller vote).
I also thought your Rod vote was more of a point rather than a serious read. I think Rod as a whole has been pretty towny. Not even remotely interested in whipping up however many votes we'd need for your one-man wagon, unless you have a more holistic case in the works.
Also resolving the GJ is great because when I talked about needing to resolve off wagon yesterday he got very defensive very quickly which I'd forgotten about till just now. So yet another reason I'm largely happy to condemn Osie once we're closer to the deadline.
I just don't get the accusation being levied at the Tau slot here Osie. It's simultaneously that he was trying to spew his buddy tom clear, chain some townie deaths but he also was possibly getting manipulated by EtR. I'm just confused by what you think happened there and why it's such a red flag.
The way I see it is Tau got really excited about his chance to make a 1 in a million play, attempted it, thought he got rewarded, and then vanished. I'm inclined to believe this as his LnGrrrR "felt" real. His excitement while fake-able read genuine that barring compelling evidence otherwise I'm strongly inclined to read it as townie.
Anyway I just still don't get this quote:
Or EtR being the actual person to instigate the play but making Tau think it was their idea.
In this world are Tau, EtR, and Tom buddies? Or is it just EtR and Tom and they mindtricked Tau into this gambit? And if it is EtR why did he include a buddy with the two relative strongest town reads at the time and then attempt to walk it back?
There's two possibilities. I think the Tom + Tau + ETR world makes more sense to me personally, but the EtR+Tom world is not unreasonable whether or not Tau was tricked into the gambit.
Just for posterity I'm still going to claim being correct if Osie flips scum for my tom/GJ has one scum from D1. Even though I spent most of today barking up the wrong tree. That barking caused some things that I had nothing to do with directly and here we are now.
My vote is virtually on Osie, just not ready to end the day while Chris, HR, and others are still catching up.
So what I'm getting from this is that either you're openly lying or you'll be voting Tom as soon as I flip town.
I think he genuinely feels doomed by Johnny and pissed about the slot but his alignment shouldn't matter for that.
Nah.
No, you don't feel doomed by GJ and pissed about the slot?
So this complete lack of willingness to bother with the game, while at the same time making some snide comments toward me with regards to actually reading, is totally unrelated to that?
@Osie I've already tried to get a wagon on Tom going. It may have been a rather large point of contention at one stage. If you are town then I'll still be strongly looking at Tom.
As for the EtR/Tau/Tom team that I can at least understand. It's very conspiracy theoristy in a convoluted ton of moving parts sort of way (and would involve either buddies being neighbors which is ridiculous or completely tying themselves together with 0 outs) and I don't believe it but I can at least sort of see the strings.
Your EtR/Tom and manipulating Tau into the gambit isn't something I get. Can you explain to me again or point me to your cleanest explanation of it. At this point I don't get how Tau could have been tricked into the gambit.
I just don't get the accusation being levied at the Tau slot here Osie. It's simultaneously that he was trying to spew his buddy tom clear, chain some townie deaths but he also was possibly getting manipulated by EtR. I'm just confused by what you think happened there and why it's such a red flag.
The way I see it is Tau got really excited about his chance to make a 1 in a million play, attempted it, thought he got rewarded, and then vanished. I'm inclined to believe this as his LnGrrrR "felt" real. His excitement while fake-able read genuine that barring compelling evidence otherwise I'm strongly inclined to read it as townie.
Anyway I just still don't get this quote:
Or EtR being the actual person to instigate the play but making Tau think it was their idea.
In this world are Tau, EtR, and Tom buddies? Or is it just EtR and Tom and they mindtricked Tau into this gambit? And if it is EtR why did he include a buddy with the two relative strongest town reads at the time and then attempt to walk it back?
There's two possibilities. I think the Tom + Tau + ETR world makes more sense to me personally, but the EtR+Tom world is not unreasonable whether or not Tau was tricked into the gambit.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@HR because KJ seems to know my flavor and scum having that knowledge would be weird. Also he was super townie day 1. But him knowing my flavor and defending me constantly has made me stop worrying and trust him.
It could be neither Tom. I think both are scummy independently but don't think both scum push tau/EtR as a dichotomy quite so hard. I've said this before.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
PTAP, been reading along but not much time to pos.
@Osie, let's say your slot is town. You need a viable counter wagon. Who is it?
@Hr, why would scum KJ town claim GF so early when GF looked like a potential mislynch? Also, no but there's seemingly no traction for a Kami lynch.
GJ/Osie slot and Tom definitely unaligned.
Rod, you think Tom is town, but instead of going after people on his wagon, you shade me for calling it a bad wagon. Interesting tactic there. What do you think about the votes on his wagon?
PTAP, been reading along but not much time to pos.
@Osie, let's say your slot is town. You need a viable counter wagon. Who is it?
@Hr, why would scum KJ town claim GF so early when GF looked like a potential mislynch? Also, no but there's seemingly no traction for a Kami lynch.
GJ/Osie slot and Tom definitely unaligned.
Rod, you think Tom is town, but instead of going after people on his wagon, you shade me for calling it a bad wagon. Interesting tactic there. What do you think about the votes on his wagon?
I’ll let you know when there is a wagon.
And.. um.... *points at osie*
Are you paying attention?
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The same argument could be made for EtR, who I feel is more likely scum of the “neighbours”. (ISO me, I’ve droned about it awhile)
I will say that if Tau knew they weren’t going to be able to go the distance this game for whatever reason it makes it somewhat plausible for him to make the play as scum, but I’m not going to give that any more credence until seeing more of Highroller.
Also, how would Tom be able to coach Tau for a Day one play?
Get back to me on johnny when youve read his posts or my posts about him
Was your point on rod a real read? Assumed it was just making a point. You should go ahead and get context on that too...
done nothing good* sorry I didn't mean to imply that it was a lurker slot. I mean you could just tell me as the less time I am catching up the more time I have to be in the moment with all of you. I am reading through the game but being helpful to me is never an anti-town decision tbh
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Its what rodemy was mimicing in the post you sussed him for...
I guess telling you saves time but deprives you of the joy of discovery
Advantages to both
Because all osi is doing is saying things are so despite [reality]
Like all his reads
Or people not engaging him
Or his vote on me not being omgus
Also scum tend to live in reality at some point. It's town who know they are town who get all delusional more often than not!
and yes I will read Johnny at some point.
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God its worse than i remember
Hes even skipping reading the replacement based on deciding the predecessor is scum (which he scumread me for)
Using internet explorer in desktop mode on my phone to do isos lol
Apparently its still signed in to my auction house account from arkham...
It's not a good look yes but it is so righteous in feeling.
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Its also not a new read he was already on johnny
Yeah thats meming
I would say rodemy and osi are of similar skill levels. Would guess osi has more games but rodemys games are spread out over a longer time period.
Dont really think of either of them as "good" but theyre both average-solid
Though iirc im older and i certainly know osi AND johnny better than you
But im fine with osi looking townie if youre (ahem) reaching a bit to do so because stopping a mislynch is exactly the sort of the thing townchris would want to do replacing in.
But id need to see you convinced (and convincing) that johnny was town since thats the thing im convinced otherwise.
Osi is whatever, i can see a lot of scum motivation/mindset to his posts but not enough to make me this certain and largely circumstantial anyway
Wisp was already incredibly town read at that stage of the game, and Rhand was at that stage widely town read for his verb meta case against me. That evaporated for reasons.
And this is just baffling to me. I don't understand how EtR could have possibly incepted Tau into thinking it was his idea short of an actual movie style inception.
@Chris I put the kid gloves on because I didn't want to get accused of not engaging with Osie. I also agree with you that the frustration reads very genuinely and a part of me wants to town read that but I'm trying to avoid doing so in this situation.
As for my osie read, I used the example of me seeing him as trying to perform a mislynch on my townread Tom :tm: after saying “i’d Never do this as scum”
It’s the fact he said that that got me. With the logic you used, Chris, my vote on him is logical because you voted me in the same fashion.
Except... you voted me because you townread osie and see my vote as a mislynch? Idk it was a little hard for me to follow you there.
I see him voting Tom and saying i’d Never vote for Tom as scum. To me that reads as misdirection and i’m not buying it. I scumread GJ already so osie’s vote on Tom just sort of solidified my read on him.
Now, that being said and done, if I was already on osie from the GJ side of things, why are you using the logic that I voted osie because of that? I am first on this wagon. I Stayed on that slot.
Chris, you seem like a good player, and I guess I played with you at one point, but I can’t remember when and I can’t for the life of me imagine where you thought I was “good” I haven’t won a single scum game alive, my town games have been ***** (except catching iso in friends and enemies where I almost LOST the game for us) pirates was a *****show where I made the losing vote and was way off on tom the entire game. Same with secret neighbors. I was on the wrong people the entire game there as well.
So using the argument “this is bad and very unlike Rodemy who is good” is... wrong.
I mean, unless you wanna toot my horn a bit. I’m always good for a good horn toot.
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Most of the time there'll be at least one actual scum in that group, possibly two. Tom is one of the better scum to put there since his scum game is strong enough that he could potentially manipulate the town into voting for the others.
It's pretty standard manipulation, though it does assume that Tau has somewhat of an ego.
Thanks for that, I guess. It's not like you were ever particularly handwaving me off or ignoring the content of my posts like Tom has done. I feel like a new player all over again except this time it's scum Tom instead of town Megiddo reinforcing that I shouldn't even try to play.
Anyways, I'm not going to get sucked into Tom and Highroller's toxicity bubbles any more. There's been way too much of that this game. Now that I've been trying to catch up since post 2022 despite their active discouragement, I'll catch up eventually if I'm given enough time to do so, and if not, oh well, so it goes.
No one has discouraged you from catching up. Im lynching your slot regardless, and i can see that being discouraging, but i pretty directly asked you to catch up. As have others since you opened the game saying you wouldnt...
So asking a player in a mafia game to actually play mafia is asking too much?
The way I see it is Tau got really excited about his chance to make a 1 in a million play, attempted it, thought he got rewarded, and then vanished. I'm inclined to believe this as his LnGrrrR "felt" real. His excitement while fake-able read genuine that barring compelling evidence otherwise I'm strongly inclined to read it as townie.
Anyway I just still don't get this quote:
In this world are Tau, EtR, and Tom buddies? Or is it just EtR and Tom and they mindtricked Tau into this gambit? And if it is EtR why did he include a buddy with the two relative strongest town reads at the time and then attempt to walk it back?
Not sure what else feels that way to you other than talking about completed games or theory. But i cant imagine it being any of his actual stances on this game.
But since hes doing that to highroller and ive shown how i didnt to him...
Yeah
What I'm struggling with is GJ read as annoyed scum when he flamed out and I can't get past that. Osie's Tau read isn't doing me any favors in reevaluating him. And it's just not something I want to dig into beyond the Tau read, but it's hard to avoid.
I dunno.
I'd rather just wait and see if I get answers re your slot and his read on it.
Not hugely invested in the game, in case you couldn't tell, so it's one of the only pieces of info that I solidly have instead of just kinda limp-wristedly guessing at. If I was scum, I'd just ask my buddies to catch me up, but I don't have that luxury.
The bolded, in particular
What is he nodding along with in those posts if he doesnt know the posts theyre referring to yet?
Liking tone and "solid analysis posts" is fake townread 101
Also of interest, his read on anak slot, in its entirety
The bolded, in particular
What is he nodding along with in those posts if he doesnt know the posts theyre referring to yet?
Liking tone and "solid analysis posts" is fake townread 101
My vote is virtually on Osie, just not ready to end the day while Chris, HR, and others are still catching up.
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Hi Chris.
I had GJ in a group of four players I thought contained ~two scum. Initially I had him as the least scummy, but osie's three-strike entrance sunk that pretty hard (the "yikes" being due to the stated intent to not read the game, giving reads without reading the game, and the pretty hypocritical Highroller vote).
I also thought your Rod vote was more of a point rather than a serious read. I think Rod as a whole has been pretty towny. Not even remotely interested in whipping up however many votes we'd need for your one-man wagon, unless you have a more holistic case in the works.
There's two possibilities. I think the Tom + Tau + ETR world makes more sense to me personally, but the EtR+Tom world is not unreasonable whether or not Tau was tricked into the gambit.
Nah.
So what I'm getting from this is that either you're openly lying or you'll be voting Tom as soon as I flip town.
So this complete lack of willingness to bother with the game, while at the same time making some snide comments toward me with regards to actually reading, is totally unrelated to that?
As for the EtR/Tau/Tom team that I can at least understand. It's very conspiracy theoristy in a convoluted ton of moving parts sort of way (and would involve either buddies being neighbors which is ridiculous or completely tying themselves together with 0 outs) and I don't believe it but I can at least sort of see the strings.
Your EtR/Tom and manipulating Tau into the gambit isn't something I get. Can you explain to me again or point me to your cleanest explanation of it. At this point I don't get how Tau could have been tricked into the gambit.
Also, no one ever answered my question: why are so many people townreading Killjoy?
I am caught up.
No opinion on kami per se, but i strongly suspect hell be cleared by some scum flips
Why not neither?
@Osie, let's say your slot is town. You need a viable counter wagon. Who is it?
@Hr, why would scum KJ town claim GF so early when GF looked like a potential mislynch? Also, no but there's seemingly no traction for a Kami lynch.
GJ/Osie slot and Tom definitely unaligned.
Rod, you think Tom is town, but instead of going after people on his wagon, you shade me for calling it a bad wagon. Interesting tactic there. What do you think about the votes on his wagon?
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With 14 alive, it’s 8 to lynch. Deadline is on March 22nd 10 PM GMT (~58h from this post).
I’ll let you know when there is a wagon.
And.. um.... *points at osie*
Are you paying attention?