Also tom, how do you feel that you basically just echoed my last few posts? ***** like this makes me think you are a wolf, because apparently, Im your top wolf read, and you aren't even ******* paying attention to my posts. Shows that you don't really care what I am posting.
@Vez can you explain why you are town reading all of those?
Well I can, but I've already explained most of them.
DV is really combative and feels to come from the same place as me with regards to reads.
tom is hunty tom so not scum tom.
Rodemy has been really unlike his scum persona and has also hunted pretty convincingly. I don't like his disappearance, but it's not enough to change the read.
KJ is town KJ due to multiple reasons, that I've also explained before plus his clear of grape.
I haven't seen a ton of Vaimes, but what I've seen seems to come from town Vaimes.
Tubba reasons are sprinkled in my iso.
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So you of all people should know combative DV != town DV having paired with him in pirates. Yes it was an alt and by design but that sort of move is within his scum meta. Second you both came to the wrong conclusion on Rhand so I'm not sure how much that is worth. So I just don't get why you end up at a town read. It just seems really soft.
And I guess that tom is hunting but I'm not seeing anything that makes me think it's real hunting.
I wasn't really worried about the other reads as much as they are reasonably consensus-y and Tubba is explained well enough.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'll add some wifom though for some lols. If I die today and flip town, and tom is still alive tomorrow, full power steam lynch tom. Have fun with that, and maybe I'll be happier in the morning.
You put tom in your townreads several posts before. This doesn't really make sense. You can't change your opinions based on if you are alive or not.
Anyway my town reads atm are: DV, tom, Rodemy, Tubba, KJ and Vaimes as a bit behind the other ones.
Also tom, how do you feel that you basically just echoed my last few posts? ***** like this makes me think you are a wolf, because apparently, Im your top wolf read, and you aren't even ******* paying attention to my posts. Shows that you don't really care what I am posting.
when have you ever known me to not pay attention?
My read has nothing to do with your opinions
So you don't look at your wolf reads posts, and use wildy ones to make your case?
I've seen scum dv in scum loves the king. Pirates was one year ago. We can disagree on dv meta, but that's not a good reason to vote somone.
I am also not townreading you. You are just clear because of kj. Why would I list you in my townreads?
Because if you believe KJ is town then you should believe I'm town. It doesn't make any sense to not have me in your town pile and have KJ in it.
But anyway we can disagree on the meta. But I don't see how you arrived at the conclusion you did about his meta from those two games and it makes the read feel very fake.
Like deciding because of 1 game that scum DV never aggros just doesn't feel like a real thing town you would do. Even if I accept that you discounted pirates because of how long ago it was.
Etr is someone that also probably goes on that list somewhere.
LnGrrr's iso reads pretty blandly. Apart from a few posts, I don't like how passive voice/coasting it feels. Doesn't seem pro active, seems very concensusy, while some of his non concensus reads, he doesn't seem interested in doing anything with.
I've seen scum dv in scum loves the king. Pirates was one year ago. We can disagree on dv meta, but that's not a good reason to vote somone.
I am also not townreading you. You are just clear because of kj. Why would I list you in my townreads?
Because if you believe KJ is town then you should believe I'm town. It doesn't make any sense to not have me in your town pile and have KJ in it.
But anyway we can disagree on the meta. But I don't see how you arrived at the conclusion you did about his meta from those two games and it makes the read feel very fake.
Do you understand the difference between reads and role confirmation? I am not townreading you ergo you are not in my town read pile.
You are town because KJ says so and I'll just take this at face value, but it doesn't mean your posts read as town.
As for the DV part. Do you not agree that DV can be combative as town? I feel like this is town combative dv and not scum dv due to context. In pirates dv was antagonizing people up until he switched to his main account and cut it out. Town DV fights with people for his opinions. Look at ghostbusters or the team mafia games.
You're making disingenious arguments that don't reflect reality. You're also accussing me of using a single game as meta when you are doing something even worse by claiming that my meta read is wrong based on one game.
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I've seen scum dv in scum loves the king. Pirates was one year ago. We can disagree on dv meta, but that's not a good reason to vote somone.
I am also not townreading you. You are just clear because of kj. Why would I list you in my townreads?
Because if you believe KJ is town then you should believe I'm town. It doesn't make any sense to not have me in your town pile and have KJ in it.
But anyway we can disagree on the meta. But I don't see how you arrived at the conclusion you did about his meta from those two games and it makes the read feel very fake.
Do you understand the difference between reads and role confirmation? I am not townreading you ergo you are not in my town read pile.
You are town because KJ says so and I'll just take this at face value, but it doesn't mean your posts read as town.
As for the DV part. Do you not agree that DV can be combative as town? I feel like this is town combative dv and not scum dv due to context. In pirates dv was antagonizing people up until he switched to his main account and cut it out. Town DV fights with people for his opinions. Look at ghostbusters or the team mafia games.
You're making disingenious arguments that don't reflect reality. You're also accussing me of using a single game as meta when you are doing something even worse by claiming that my meta read is wrong based on one game.
Are you telling me with a straight face that in a game with no confirmed godfather, you aren't going to put a green check in a town pile?
I'll let Grape deal with the rest, even though I am itching for a fight.
And if you thought LnGrrr's iso was bleh, Kami's takes it to a whole new world. Has almost 0 comments about anything other than EtR and testing that theory.
Yeah, Kami/EtR are never aligned. If they are capable of that level of scum theater, good for them.
I don't think I have ever had the issue of soo many wolf reads, I don't even know who I want to push first. I almost want to leave Vezok for later if for no other reason, he might actually post more and give everyone more rope to lynch him with.
@KJ I'm confused by your statement of "Similarly, if EtR is Mafia, then he handled that really well. It's easier to assume he's not than assume he handled that in probably the best way he could. I just... can't see that being the case." when he's claiming he made a mistake in how he handled it (incorrectly signaling his targets). I can understand the argument that the way he handled it is townie, I can't really see an argument for he handled it in best practice for either alignment.
Not best practice so much as I'm just kind of incredulous that scum!EtR reacts like that instead of many more likely ways. Also I'm townreading him for making that mistake, if you'll recall.
Vez: I know you aren't individually townreading Grape but Grape does have a point... You seem to be hardtownreading me and that means that Grape is town. Leaving him off the town list has no purpose. Does that mean you're gonna try to lynch him if I'm still alive later? Like, scumreading Grape doesn't mesh with a townread on me at all.
Also, the reason I initially started scumreading you is you townread me too easily, and felt like you were too... appease-y. Just to put that out there.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Walk me through your analysis of LnGrr/Kami. I didn't throw a wall out, but neither of their isos shows a lot of active voice, or solving. If you think they are wolves, that's fine. Walk me through your other two reads.
Lngrrr I'm giving a bit of slack for irl sickness but I'm not seeing scumminess that merits the level of attention he's been getting.
Kami I really dislike the way he's been pushing to solve EtR and Tauslot. There was something else I think but I'm not at a computer right now so I can't look.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Lngrrr I'm giving a bit of slack for irl sickness but I'm not seeing scumminess that merits the level of attention he's been getting.
Kami I really dislike the way he's been pushing to solve EtR and Tauslot. There was something else I think but I'm not at a computer right now so I can't look.
He isn't hunting. That's the scummy read from me. He has/had Rodemy as a wolf read, where it felt most people were town reading that slot, and really didn't do anything with it. I just feel like he is falling under "look like solving" versus actual solving.
Kami is hard tunneled into EtR, and when that tanked, he just auto hopped onto Rhand. Strongly disliked that, so cool.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
He is v/la. His popins towards the end were definitely falling off. Too many wolfy people man, made infinitely worse by no one willing to post.
Wanted to pile drive Grape because the way he is talking to me is not the way you talk to a wolf read, but I realize that he has to talk to me because no one ******* else is doing it.
Can't do Rod over Kami/Vezok though. Wouldn't forgive myself.
In addition, my issue wasn't that he was wolf reading Rod. It's that he wasn't trying to change a consensus mind that was leaving him alone, or even focus on one of the other wolf reads that did have traction.
@KJ I'm confused by your statement of "Similarly, if EtR is Mafia, then he handled that really well. It's easier to assume he's not than assume he handled that in probably the best way he could. I just... can't see that being the case." when he's claiming he made a mistake in how he handled it (incorrectly signaling his targets). I can understand the argument that the way he handled it is townie, I can't really see an argument for he handled it in best practice for either alignment.
Not best practice so much as I'm just kind of incredulous that scum!EtR reacts like that instead of many more likely ways. Also I'm townreading him for making that mistake, if you'll recall.
Vez: I know you aren't individually townreading Grape but Grape does have a point... You seem to be hardtownreading me and that means that Grape is town. Leaving him off the town list has no purpose. Does that mean you're gonna try to lynch him if I'm still alive later? Like, scumreading Grape doesn't mesh with a townread on me at all.
Also, the reason I initially started scumreading you is you townread me too easily, and felt like you were too... appease-y. Just to put that out there.
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Where are all the other people? Come on guys.
That's not the point. I fully agree that grape is town. I just don't read him as town on post analysis. He isn't off my town list, he is actually at the top. He is simply not being read as town.
Like there's a clear distinction in my head between people I'm reading in some way through analysis and what roles say about people. I wouldn't lynch grape at all unless it's proven by someone else that you aren't saying the truth.
You're also pretty ******* easy to read. You were one of the first townreads I got during my read of the game. I was also not in the game from the beginning so I don't really know why you think I should develop all my reads during the game when there was already a ton of content before I even had a chance to post. Maybe I'll re-evaluate late, but some reads are just that easy to make.
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Doing a full reread and taking notes. Haven't read the actual last couple of pages yet. General observation: KJ and Grape both have things I dislike in early stuff, but they're strongly linked in a way that feels unreasonable for a D1 scum gambit.
@Highroller: please give your opinion on Tau's gambit. (Ignore this if you already have in the stuff I haven't gotten to yet.)
Do you understand the difference between reads and role confirmation? I am not townreading you ergo you are not in my town read pile.
You are town because KJ says so and I'll just take this at face value, but it doesn't mean your posts read as town.
As for the DV part. Do you not agree that DV can be combative as town? I feel like this is town combative dv and not scum dv due to context. In pirates dv was antagonizing people up until he switched to his main account and cut it out. Town DV fights with people for his opinions. Look at ghostbusters or the team mafia games.
You're making disingenious arguments that don't reflect reality. You're also accussing me of using a single game as meta when you are doing something even worse by claiming that my meta read is wrong based on one game.
I do understand the difference but I don't get seperating the two when asked about town reads. It just feels like an unnatural hoop to jump through. I see people do that sort of read with asterisk's fairly often but I almost never see people leave the mechanical read out entirely. Can you point to an example of you doing that in the past. I didn't see anything like that in a quick scan through Ghostbusters or Secret Agents.
DV can be combative as town. I agree with that. I don't believe that you believe the rest of it. It doesn't even track within your own answers. Now it's the context of the aggression that you like while before it was just that he was "really combative and feels to come from the same place as me with regards to reads." That is really different from what you're saying now. Plus then you threw in the ad hom for me attacking you over meta, saying it's unfair for me to use a single game as an example while you're using a single game as proof. Which is silly. One negative example disproves a positive theory. That's how proof works.
But even setting that aside you were largely claiming to be able to generate that meta read by looking at him being aggro in 2 town games and not being aggro in a recent micro as scum. Which even if I accept you didn't use pirates as an example at all feels wrong. Your "proof" game was a micro where he went for a fake accidental hammer on a Day 1 with almost no content then had a day 3 with next to no content because it was a F3 Colo (condemn or lose). That's a game that was so short and devoid on content I would not draw any meta conclusions from it. And I don't really believe town you would either. Instead I think you had a fake read that was consensus-y and couldn't make up real justification on the spot.
@KJ that's fair. I think I just misunderstood your first post about it. My initial reaction was disbelief that EtR would make that sort of mistake as town and was attempting to spill wine, but that was largely based on my previous desire to scum read him for Tau's dunking in the first place.
@GJ If there isn't more by midway through the day I'll probably switch focus to one of EtR/KA (or both) but for now I'd rather focus on active people. Just gives more information and might actually lead to discussion. And on the bit about talking to a wolf read like a townie, when you're in the position I'm in it makes sense to play differently. What do you make of DV saying he doesn't believe there is a Doc in this game?
JOHNNY went through in iso to figure where the gut came from. Think it was a lack of thoughtfulness that, like, yeah lolday1 and johnny is a pretty aggresive sort but
Like his whole iso is so binary. Even accounting for this being generally binary alignment game its pretty striking. Theres no third option for anything he has an opinion on.
Its always this or this. Even when he manipulates people into getting off him im not a wolf OR bad those Arent the only choices Jonathan
He also veers into mafia theory too easy for my liking. Its early on and its meh but i dont like it anyway.
And since this is his newest binary push
KAMI i dont need to iso to make this read. Hes either town, and thought the tau gambit actually had a good chance of working and thought it would be cool. Or hes scum and thought it would be cool and he could get away with it.
Those are both viable. Period.
Now hes gotta start playing mafia and *****
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Johnny moderate scumread
Kami null, with watchful eye
JOHNNY went through in iso to figure where the gut came from. Think it was a lack of thoughtfulness that, like, yeah lolday1 and johnny is a pretty aggresive sort but
Like his whole iso is so binary. Even accounting for this being generally binary alignment game its pretty striking. Theres no third option for anything he has an opinion on.
Its always this or this. Even when he manipulates people into getting off him im not a wolf OR bad those Arent the only choices Jonathan
He also veers into mafia theory too easy for my liking. Its early on and its meh but i dont like it anyway.
And since this is his newest binary push
KAMI i dont need to iso to make this read. Hes either town, and thought the tau gambit actually had a good chance of working and thought it would be cool. Or hes scum and thought it would be cool and he could get away with it.
Those are both viable. Period.
Now hes gotta start playing mafia and *****
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Johnny moderate scumread
Kami null, with watchful eye
How long do I give him to play mafia? We are 2 weeks in tom. Should I wait for lyol before I decide he isn't hunting enough to go after him?
As far as binary goes, it is. Every single person on me is either a silly townie, or a wolf. There is no third option. As far as reads go, considering how dynamic I have been, I don't know how you can see I have read ultra binary. Maybe with regards to reactions to votes on me, sure. Won't disregard that, but towards everything else...
I suppose I should just smile this out then. Either I succeed in slapping the town on my wagon and get a wolf. Or, I tag out of this game, and enjoy watching you suffer in the same position tomorrow with all these lurkers, trying to find the wolf between them. The thought of me taking a rest and watching you all struggle to solve this game puts a smile on my face :).
Like seriously:
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Doing a full reread and taking notes. Haven't read the actual last couple of pages yet. General observation: KJ and Grape both have things I dislike in early stuff, but they're strongly linked in a way that feels unreasonable for a D1 scum gambit.
@Highroller: please give your opinion on Tau's gambit. (Ignore this if you already have in the stuff I haven't gotten to yet.)
If you want to lynch me over that, you have my blessing tom. Go on then, curry more favor.
@Vaimes, most likely scum on the wagon is between you, Tubba, kami and Rod. You didn't seem to care who the lynch was yesterday (of the three people you listed, two of them were the likely wagons anyways), Rod had a lazy jump and tried to push me for some asinine reason he pulled out of... a hat, Tubba has been somewhat floaty and non-committal, and Kami pretty much focused on Tau/EtR to the exclusion of everything else.
Vote kami I didn't listen to dead townies enough in Secret Agent mafia.
I...don't understand. Having scumreads that other people are scumreading makes them what, less important?
Do you understand the difference between reads and role confirmation? I am not townreading you ergo you are not in my town read pile.
You are town because KJ says so and I'll just take this at face value, but it doesn't mean your posts read as town.
As for the DV part. Do you not agree that DV can be combative as town? I feel like this is town combative dv and not scum dv due to context. In pirates dv was antagonizing people up until he switched to his main account and cut it out. Town DV fights with people for his opinions. Look at ghostbusters or the team mafia games.
You're making disingenious arguments that don't reflect reality. You're also accussing me of using a single game as meta when you are doing something even worse by claiming that my meta read is wrong based on one game.
Clearly, you're being asked who should be lynched to further town's win condition, and who you wouldn't lynch. Your personal read of Grape is irrelevant if you think KJ is town, and you know that.
Yeah, I dunno. These last few pages have felt pretty t/t with like, potential for vezok or tom to be scum.
I like the earnestness of GJ's posting.
tom, there's been a distinct shift in the tone of your posts since Day 2 started. I don't really know what to call it, but it makes me vaguely uncomfortable. Tell me your troubles.
I really don't, but you managed to make yourself look a little silly so I'm pleased.
My skepticism for wolf reading you was you felt like a lurker who wasn't doing anything, but lol tom read you town or something. I was skeptical of your slot. I was bored because no one ******* posts, so I just started reading people isos, liked you. You can be town.
If you want to lynch me for pocketing though, I won't stop ya. I wish I knew how to post pics/gifs, instead of all my broken links.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
My skepticism for wolf reading you was you felt like a lurker who wasn't doing anything, but lol tom read you town or something. I was skeptical of your slot. I was bored because no one ******* posts, so I just started reading people isos, liked you. You can be town.
If you want to lynch me for pocketing though, I won't stop ya. I wish I knew how to post pics/gifs, instead of all my broken links.
Everyone likes me, sooner or later.
I've been busy. Getting used to waking up earlier has left me exhausted the last few weeks.
My read has nothing to do with your opinions
Well I can, but I've already explained most of them.
DV is really combative and feels to come from the same place as me with regards to reads.
tom is hunty tom so not scum tom.
Rodemy has been really unlike his scum persona and has also hunted pretty convincingly. I don't like his disappearance, but it's not enough to change the read.
KJ is town KJ due to multiple reasons, that I've also explained before plus his clear of grape.
I haven't seen a ton of Vaimes, but what I've seen seems to come from town Vaimes.
Tubba reasons are sprinkled in my iso.
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And I guess that tom is hunting but I'm not seeing anything that makes me think it's real hunting.
I wasn't really worried about the other reads as much as they are reasonably consensus-y and Tubba is explained well enough.
Also it's super weird to list KJ but not me.
Vote: Vez
I'm pretty strongly if the opinion that Vez is scum right now though.
I am also not townreading you. You are just clear because of kj. Why would I list you in my townreads?
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Vote Vezok
2. I'll do what i want.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
So you don't look at your wolf reads posts, and use wildy ones to make your case?
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The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Because if you believe KJ is town then you should believe I'm town. It doesn't make any sense to not have me in your town pile and have KJ in it.
But anyway we can disagree on the meta. But I don't see how you arrived at the conclusion you did about his meta from those two games and it makes the read feel very fake.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Paranoia says there is one wolf being universally or nearly town read. Might be DV, maybe vaimes. I'll cross that bridge later.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
LnGrrr's iso reads pretty blandly. Apart from a few posts, I don't like how passive voice/coasting it feels. Doesn't seem pro active, seems very concensusy, while some of his non concensus reads, he doesn't seem interested in doing anything with.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Do you understand the difference between reads and role confirmation? I am not townreading you ergo you are not in my town read pile.
You are town because KJ says so and I'll just take this at face value, but it doesn't mean your posts read as town.
As for the DV part. Do you not agree that DV can be combative as town? I feel like this is town combative dv and not scum dv due to context. In pirates dv was antagonizing people up until he switched to his main account and cut it out. Town DV fights with people for his opinions. Look at ghostbusters or the team mafia games.
You're making disingenious arguments that don't reflect reality. You're also accussing me of using a single game as meta when you are doing something even worse by claiming that my meta read is wrong based on one game.
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Are you telling me with a straight face that in a game with no confirmed godfather, you aren't going to put a green check in a town pile?
I'll let Grape deal with the rest, even though I am itching for a fight.
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Yeah, Kami/EtR are never aligned. If they are capable of that level of scum theater, good for them.
I don't think I have ever had the issue of soo many wolf reads, I don't even know who I want to push first. I almost want to leave Vezok for later if for no other reason, he might actually post more and give everyone more rope to lynch him with.
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Now would be a good town to tell us your N1 peek and make us move forward.....
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Vez: I know you aren't individually townreading Grape but Grape does have a point... You seem to be hardtownreading me and that means that Grape is town. Leaving him off the town list has no purpose. Does that mean you're gonna try to lynch him if I'm still alive later? Like, scumreading Grape doesn't mesh with a townread on me at all.
Also, the reason I initially started scumreading you is you townread me too easily, and felt like you were too... appease-y. Just to put that out there.
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Where are all the other people? Come on guys.
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Kami I really dislike the way he's been pushing to solve EtR and Tauslot. There was something else I think but I'm not at a computer right now so I can't look.
He isn't hunting. That's the scummy read from me. He has/had Rodemy as a wolf read, where it felt most people were town reading that slot, and really didn't do anything with it. I just feel like he is falling under "look like solving" versus actual solving.
Kami is hard tunneled into EtR, and when that tanked, he just auto hopped onto Rhand. Strongly disliked that, so cool.
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Wanted to pile drive Grape because the way he is talking to me is not the way you talk to a wolf read, but I realize that he has to talk to me because no one ******* else is doing it.
Can't do Rod over Kami/Vezok though. Wouldn't forgive myself.
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That's not the point. I fully agree that grape is town. I just don't read him as town on post analysis. He isn't off my town list, he is actually at the top. He is simply not being read as town.
Like there's a clear distinction in my head between people I'm reading in some way through analysis and what roles say about people. I wouldn't lynch grape at all unless it's proven by someone else that you aren't saying the truth.
You're also pretty ******* easy to read. You were one of the first townreads I got during my read of the game. I was also not in the game from the beginning so I don't really know why you think I should develop all my reads during the game when there was already a ton of content before I even had a chance to post. Maybe I'll re-evaluate late, but some reads are just that easy to make.
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@Highroller: please give your opinion on Tau's gambit. (Ignore this if you already have in the stuff I haven't gotten to yet.)
I do understand the difference but I don't get seperating the two when asked about town reads. It just feels like an unnatural hoop to jump through. I see people do that sort of read with asterisk's fairly often but I almost never see people leave the mechanical read out entirely. Can you point to an example of you doing that in the past. I didn't see anything like that in a quick scan through Ghostbusters or Secret Agents.
DV can be combative as town. I agree with that. I don't believe that you believe the rest of it. It doesn't even track within your own answers. Now it's the context of the aggression that you like while before it was just that he was "really combative and feels to come from the same place as me with regards to reads." That is really different from what you're saying now. Plus then you threw in the ad hom for me attacking you over meta, saying it's unfair for me to use a single game as an example while you're using a single game as proof. Which is silly. One negative example disproves a positive theory. That's how proof works.
But even setting that aside you were largely claiming to be able to generate that meta read by looking at him being aggro in 2 town games and not being aggro in a recent micro as scum. Which even if I accept you didn't use pirates as an example at all feels wrong. Your "proof" game was a micro where he went for a fake accidental hammer on a Day 1 with almost no content then had a day 3 with next to no content because it was a F3 Colo (condemn or lose). That's a game that was so short and devoid on content I would not draw any meta conclusions from it. And I don't really believe town you would either. Instead I think you had a fake read that was consensus-y and couldn't make up real justification on the spot.
@KJ that's fair. I think I just misunderstood your first post about it. My initial reaction was disbelief that EtR would make that sort of mistake as town and was attempting to spill wine, but that was largely based on my previous desire to scum read him for Tau's dunking in the first place.
@GJ If there isn't more by midway through the day I'll probably switch focus to one of EtR/KA (or both) but for now I'd rather focus on active people. Just gives more information and might actually lead to discussion. And on the bit about talking to a wolf read like a townie, when you're in the position I'm in it makes sense to play differently. What do you make of DV saying he doesn't believe there is a Doc in this game?
JOHNNY went through in iso to figure where the gut came from. Think it was a lack of thoughtfulness that, like, yeah lolday1 and johnny is a pretty aggresive sort but
Like his whole iso is so binary. Even accounting for this being generally binary alignment game its pretty striking. Theres no third option for anything he has an opinion on.
Its always this or this. Even when he manipulates people into getting off him im not a wolf OR bad those Arent the only choices Jonathan
He also veers into mafia theory too easy for my liking. Its early on and its meh but i dont like it anyway.
And since this is his newest binary push
KAMI i dont need to iso to make this read. Hes either town, and thought the tau gambit actually had a good chance of working and thought it would be cool. Or hes scum and thought it would be cool and he could get away with it.
Those are both viable. Period.
Now hes gotta start playing mafia and *****
Adding it to last chunk
highroller
kami
ETR
johnny
Johnny moderate scumread
Kami null, with watchful eye
How long do I give him to play mafia? We are 2 weeks in tom. Should I wait for lyol before I decide he isn't hunting enough to go after him?
As far as binary goes, it is. Every single person on me is either a silly townie, or a wolf. There is no third option. As far as reads go, considering how dynamic I have been, I don't know how you can see I have read ultra binary. Maybe with regards to reactions to votes on me, sure. Won't disregard that, but towards everything else...
I suppose I should just smile this out then. Either I succeed in slapping the town on my wagon and get a wolf. Or, I tag out of this game, and enjoy watching you suffer in the same position tomorrow with all these lurkers, trying to find the wolf between them. The thought of me taking a rest and watching you all struggle to solve this game puts a smile on my face :).
Like seriously:
If you want to lynch me over that, you have my blessing tom. Go on then, curry more favor.
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“When the law no longer protects you from the corrupt, but protects the corrupt from you – you know your nation is doomed.”
― Ayn Rand
Vezokpiraka (3): Grapefruit21, Killjoy, Gentleman Johnny
Gentleman Johnny (3): tomsloger, vezokpiraka, D_V
LnGrrrR (1): Vaimes
KamikazeArchon (1): LnGrrrR
Not Voting (6): Tubba Fett, KamikazeArchon, Highroller, EtR, Rodemy, Anaklusmos
V/LA: Rodemy (March 11th - 17th)
With 14 alive, it’s 8 to lynch. Deadline is on March 22nd.
I thought I said 10k times, he seemed solvy. Saying he would CFD LW also felt ballsy as hell, but what do I know.
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You can be town if LnGR and/or Mind flip scum.
Clearly, you're being asked who should be lynched to further town's win condition, and who you wouldn't lynch. Your personal read of Grape is irrelevant if you think KJ is town, and you know that.
I like the earnestness of GJ's posting.
tom, there's been a distinct shift in the tone of your posts since Day 2 started. I don't really know what to call it, but it makes me vaguely uncomfortable. Tell me your troubles.
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K.
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My skepticism for wolf reading you was you felt like a lurker who wasn't doing anything, but lol tom read you town or something. I was skeptical of your slot. I was bored because no one ******* posts, so I just started reading people isos, liked you. You can be town.
If you want to lynch me for pocketing though, I won't stop ya. I wish I knew how to post pics/gifs, instead of all my broken links.
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I've been busy. Getting used to waking up earlier has left me exhausted the last few weeks.
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