Even with a correctly executed Gambit you're still talking about having to Lynch both Tom and Wisp (wisp being phenomenally hard to mislynch) and also take down scarlet which is borderline impossible
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Did scarlet celestial take five of the biggest bong hits as scum before making her night actions and another five before claiming them and happen to wind up with this total *****storm where she wins anyway
This is one of the funniest things I have ever read I have been laughing at this for about 3 minutes. Like the craziest thing I did was decide to change who I was going to Cop about 4 times, which usually happens. (Rum > Rhand > Rum > Tom > Rhand as I remember it)
My two cents:
Rhand = Town always
Rad = Town always
Wisp unlike the rest of you I do think is Town based on the way he claimed. If you read it as if he hasn't looked at anything, which by the looks of everything else he did, the way he claims made much more sense. Furthermore, it really reminds me of a claim Sheep did on MU where they didn't read some stuff correctly and they claimed wrong. They were Town and I see parallels with Wisp. Also, if he were scum he'd probably stick to there being no message rather than correcting himself.
so
Wisp = Town imo
This leaves Tom and Rum. One needs to die and one needs to be shot. That's how I see it.
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"Is it possible to be tsundere towards friends and family?"
Also I am really happy the only read I got majorly wrong on and didn't correct was Tom so... yeah. I'm also really happy I got Rad and Wisp as Town very quickly and the first major scum issue I had was Killjoy... who was scum. 8/10 not good at reading Tom.
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"Is it possible to be tsundere towards friends and family?"
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Scarlet cops Rhand.
Wisp bodyguards Cowbells.
Cowbells, tomsloger, Rumanshi choose not to act.
Rhand targets Wisp
If the apportioner wants to delay a kill that was correctly protected by the bodyguard, should he target the one killed or the bodyguard?
Answer: The one killed. The apportioner prevents the bodyguard's action from doing anything. Otherwise, the bodyguard dies as if not protected.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I expressed something to Shadow that I wanted to share here.
I think this was a decent setup. I don't think it was a beautiful setup. Token Power 1 had a finesse to it that this doesn't have. And there was the extra limitation in design of there HAVING to be a killing role. But I think going forward, when I have a desire to make a sequel like this, I need to focus in even more on the core principles of the setups than I did here. Token was a nifty balance with a focus on mitigating the small size by having every role be a 1-shot and having the roles counteract based on what was reasonable to have in-game. And I got very lucky. Obviously that won't happen every time. But I think I can come closer in sequels by focusing more on what made something good than trying to take a concept and just overdesign it further as I did here.
Me too
vote:rumanshi
I ****ed up my own gambit. Gg guys.
I imagine TW had some giggles about me freaking out about you getting lynched over kj
You were my townblock and it turns out our big disagreement was which scum we wanted to lunch D1
vote rumanshi
Thats my second wolf hammer if i have the votecount right
@Scarlet
Sorroy <3
@RC
Feels bad that Im dumb and somehow ****ed up my claim
We won
Nice try though
I did my gambit incorrectly.
Rumanshi has been lynched. He was SCUM. Town has won.
1. Rhand - TOWN Oracleizer
2. tomsloger - TOWN Ascetic
3. ScarletCelestial - TOWN Alignment Cop
4. Lastwhisper - TOWN Bodyguard
5. RadiantCowbells - TOWN Midnight Desperado
6. Rumanshi - SCUM Perfect Rolestopper
7. Killjoy - SCUM Rolecop
Unused: Miller/Framer
This is one of the funniest things I have ever read I have been laughing at this for about 3 minutes. Like the craziest thing I did was decide to change who I was going to Cop about 4 times, which usually happens. (Rum > Rhand > Rum > Tom > Rhand as I remember it)
My two cents:
Rhand = Town always
Rad = Town always
Wisp unlike the rest of you I do think is Town based on the way he claimed. If you read it as if he hasn't looked at anything, which by the looks of everything else he did, the way he claims made much more sense. Furthermore, it really reminds me of a claim Sheep did on MU where they didn't read some stuff correctly and they claimed wrong. They were Town and I see parallels with Wisp. Also, if he were scum he'd probably stick to there being no message rather than correcting himself.
so
Wisp = Town imo
This leaves Tom and Rum. One needs to die and one needs to be shot. That's how I see it.
I was wondering about that too. I have read day 1 multiple times and even knowing you’re scum, I don’t see it.
Night 1:
Scarlet cops Rhand.
Wisp bodyguards Cowbells.
Cowbells, tomsloger, Rumanshi choose not to act.
Rhand targets Wisp
If the apportioner wants to delay a kill that was correctly protected by the bodyguard, should he target the one killed or the bodyguard?
Answer: The one killed. The apportioner prevents the bodyguard's action from doing anything. Otherwise, the bodyguard dies as if not protected.
Just needs verification.
Only 1 scum alive?
Riku in game?
Self meta wins again.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Oof.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I think this was a decent setup. I don't think it was a beautiful setup. Token Power 1 had a finesse to it that this doesn't have. And there was the extra limitation in design of there HAVING to be a killing role. But I think going forward, when I have a desire to make a sequel like this, I need to focus in even more on the core principles of the setups than I did here. Token was a nifty balance with a focus on mitigating the small size by having every role be a 1-shot and having the roles counteract based on what was reasonable to have in-game. And I got very lucky. Obviously that won't happen every time. But I think I can come closer in sequels by focusing more on what made something good than trying to take a concept and just overdesign it further as I did here.