@Cantrip: I woke up to pages of posts. I simply missed what he was doing on my morning skim.
If there’s something I’m not doing though, it’s attacking tom for his gimmick. I was attacking him over why he called me scum, and that was before realising he was calling everyone scum.
@Rhand: I claimed VT in bare bones, but that was my first scum game here. I don’t remember claiming VT as scum otherwise, but couldn’t tell you definitively.
@eco: Are you officially past the point of engaging with me, just asking the thread ethereally about my motivation for posts I make?
Super early reads list with super nebulous mostly hunchy/vibey explanations!
1) LnGrrrR - Towniest town to ever town
2) Ecophagy - I liked his question towards Rhand, and his mindset seems towny asking questions of pretty much everyone and trying to get ahold of the game state.
3) Tomsloger - Seems open, unafraid, is working out who he thinks he can and can't trust early
4) SleepyCheesecake -
5) Cantripmancer - I think that Cantrip's push on me comes from excited town rather than scum. I don't think scum latches onto a push so strongly and so early. Could be wolf but I lean town right now.
6) Vaimes - Engaged, don't see any misreps, nothing suspicious so far, liked his response to the question about him skimming the page
7) Shadowlancerx - Giving Shadow the benefit of the doubt. I think his willingness to hear my answer comes from town, and not scum trying to justify his vote.
8) Rumanshi (Riku) - Nully null null
9) Rhand - ... need to read more. Can't get a read one way or another yet.
10. Gentleman Johnny - Still weirded out by his lack of vote after thinking I was fishing. If he is scum, I would look at Shadow. Rereading, their interactions seem... false. I don't know, a lot of semi friendly-ish interactions.
11. Highroller - Really quiet... haven't been impressed by the few posts he's had so far, since his finished game he sounded super towny quick to me. When he did just pop in, he didn't comment on any of the action going on in the game.
???) Azrael - Out in some weird limbo of no post land
@GJ, I don't think you answered earlier, how free are you with your voting, especially early game/Day 1?
Dang it, accidentally cut my Cheesecake section.
4) SleepyCheesecake - Putting his thoughts out there openly re: possible scum and teams, w/w, s/s etc. Not many questions so far, but could be playstyle.
I'm not trying to be snippy. It's the opposite: I feel pretty manic and stoked. I just got done messaging Grape how much fun I'm having. If I'm making things less fun for you, please tell me and I'll scale it back (same goes for anyone else).
To clarify, you're not impacting my fun or anything, I'm just finding it weird that you're being quite short with people (going all in on LnGrrR, "NOTED" against GJ, sniping at Vaimes, challenging Rhand to the THUNDERDOME). But you're not really under any pressure, nor would I associate this with you as either alignment - pressure or not. Maybe it is just over excitement that's being expressed in an odd way. After your V/LA (why bother declaring this for under a day??) could you take a step back and see if you can more calmly reflect on things?
@eco: Are you officially past the point of engaging with me, just asking the thread ethereally about my motivation for posts I make?
Given that you were so keen to discuss my reasons for voting you, but followed my response in #136 with nothing apart from a quick OMGUS by putting me at the bottom of your nulls list, I wouldn't say I was the one willfully not engaging.
Glibness aside, #236 was actually a direct invitation for you to explain why you moved your vote - although I grant it was phrased rather rhetorically.
actually thinking about this while driving and i dont want this to just be the reflexive snippy comment it was at the time
Rhand scum for picking one thing from my entire iso of calling people scum and deciding im serious about that one to push me for it. And its actually worse than that it isnt even a push its a question in the same post as calling me and cantrip his scumteam *like he doesnt want an uninfluenced answer*
vote: rhand
Tom: Thoughts on Rhand/Shadow as w/w? It would explain why Rhand was so happy to accept Shadow's "mindmeld" in #138. Also while I have you, what do you think about Shadow's #149 ("Random hottake: Cantrip is intentionally trying to play in a feisty manner to mask his alignment from the likes of myself/Tom.")
RE: Tom in general, I think I have a decent framework for reading him here. I can't really discuss details until he's given me enough data points, but I know what I'm looking for. Right now, he's in my town bucket for thinking along the lines to me RE: Shadow at least.
Cantrip has me a bit kerfluffled, but I'm only just now starting page three.
Hey Vaimes, as I understand it, you're getting bad feelings about both Shadow and Cantrip. Do you think that their proximity of voting for LnGrrR is indicative of them being not knowingly aligned?
I like LnGrrR's examination of GJ's (lack of) vote. I find it slightly unsettling that he hasn't voted (as the only not-absent person to not attmept a vote), and I'm not really on board with these strong town read's GJ has been accruing.
@Rhand: I claimed VT in bare bones, but that was my first scum game here. I don’t remember claiming VT as scum otherwise, but couldn’t tell you definitively.
Didnt you claim VT in the team game?
Maybe? I don’t remember claiming in the team game, but it’s what I would have claimed.
Given that you were so keen to discuss my reasons for voting you, but followed my response in #136 with nothing apart from a quick OMGUS by putting me at the bottom of your nulls list, I wouldn't say I was the one willfully not engaging.
It feels a lot like we are talking past each other; your 136 was reasons you think I’m scum, but the question I was asking was what were your specific thoughts on those four names I listed as town, not really “why do you think I’m scum?”
For reference (don’t really want to go quote it all):
I made that list
You voted me
I asked your issue with the list
You said you took issue with the timing of it
I said that seems like a vague reason to vote me
You said it’s not the reason
I said you sidestepped the initial question
You gave me reasons you thought I was scum 136
I posted my list
So like, I can understand the question getting lost in all of that, but that’s probably why you feel like I didn’t re-engage, and I feel like you didn’t answer my question.
I do think you’re being slightly pedantic by saying you being in the bottom of my null pile is OMGUS, it’s a null pile, and I even said I wasn’t thrilled with it.
Glibness aside, #236 was actually a direct invitation for you to explain why you moved your vote - although I grant it was phrased rather rhetorically.
Fair, I promise I’ll get to it then. I kinda would like Highroller to make a few more posts before I dig into it; I don’t really even need him to acknowledge my vote, just want to see some thread presence for me to look at and see if I’m off base.@Vaimes: I didn’t realize you had so little play with Cantrip. It was overwatch then, he and I were scum on that game. FWIW, he’s also capable of screwing with voting analysis, but since I’m not scum and I don’t really think he is, it doesn’t matter.
I feel like if Cantrip were actually town, he'd be the leading wagon by now.
It would be way too easy to ride the "he's trying to imitate town posting!!" wave all the way to a hammer.
Just sort of a vague "who would the scumteam feel most comfortable/safe pushing right now?" feeling.
Why would Cantrip be leading wagon though? He seems super inquisitive, and at least actively working.
@GJ, I don't think you answered earlier, how free are you with your voting, especially early game/Day 1?
Pretty conservative voter as both town and wolf. It's what makes me so irritating to read. My "meta tells" are all pretty NAI. Anger used to be a town tell for me until Playstation.
Not really liking Highroller or Vaimes. The former mostly because I don't feel that inquisitive nature and the latter is more on tone and just bad vibes.
Your question has no answer beyond the one I gave in the quote.
Partly it.
Partly was when we had our little rambo off, I felt like it was townies bashing into each other. So cantrip/shadow/lngrr/ I have as townie (slightly hesitant on Eco). Other people I am town reading or null reading for different reasons.
I almost I feel like Azrael is wolfy, mostly because I feel like I am scraping the barrel to come up with 3 people that can be wolves. Still early though.
Lacking strong wolf reads right now. Light wolf reads on you/Highroller, slightly lighter on eco and rhand. But different meta than the quick and run I have gotten more accustom to. Moire used to just spitballing ideas, and interacting in almost real time. Trying to analyze posts after they have been dealt with for a while is tougher when other people have already commented on it.
Does Shadow have any history of claiming vt as scum? It feels very un-him.
Also, I don’t think scum!Shadow would tie himself to a vt claim early D1 ever.
@tom: why are you so sure I’m choosing wrong in Cantrip / Shadow? (and that there’s scum in those 2?)
Cantrip/tom/? is where I’m at now.
@Cheesecake: You telling me that I shouldn’t townread you for the reason I did makes you even townier for me. scum would just take the townread and move on.
Eh, I don't really like this post. Towniest part of it is probably the end, and even that is pretty null. Getting a naked town read and not questioning it is pretty standard mafia play. Even new mafia players can fake the paranoia pretty well (since cheesecake is new to the site, not to mafia).
I'm VT, I strongly believe that there's another PR besides KJ and was trying to draw scum interference.
feel like there's a difference between claiming vt when pushed to claim and presumably other pr's already claimed given the context of the quote, and claiming vt a day or two into day one
Super early reads list with super nebulous mostly hunchy/vibey explanations!
1) LnGrrrR - Towniest town to ever town
2) Ecophagy - I liked his question towards Rhand, and his mindset seems towny asking questions of pretty much everyone and trying to get ahold of the game state. 3) Tomsloger - Seems open, unafraid, is working out who he thinks he can and can't trust early 4) SleepyCheesecake -
5) Cantripmancer - I think that Cantrip's push on me comes from excited town rather than scum. I don't think scum latches onto a push so strongly and so early. Could be wolf but I lean town right now.
6) Vaimes - Engaged, don't see any misreps, nothing suspicious so far, liked his response to the question about him skimming the page
7) Shadowlancerx - Giving Shadow the benefit of the doubt. I think his willingness to hear my answer comes from town, and not scum trying to justify his vote.
8) Rumanshi (Riku) - Nully null null
9) Rhand - ... need to read more. Can't get a read one way or another yet.
10. Gentleman Johnny - Still weirded out by his lack of vote after thinking I was fishing. If he is scum, I would look at Shadow. Rereading, their interactions seem... false. I don't know, a lot of semi friendly-ish interactions.
11. Highroller - Really quiet... haven't been impressed by the few posts he's had so far, since his finished game he sounded super towny quick to me. When he did just pop in, he didn't comment on any of the action going on in the game.
???) Azrael - Out in some weird limbo of no post land
@GJ, I don't think you answered earlier, how free are you with your voting, especially early game/Day 1?
@Shadow, why the vote on Highroller?
can you talk about the bolded tom read more lng? maybe cite some examples that indicate him working out who he can and can't trust
Dang it, accidentally cut my Cheesecake section.
4) SleepyCheesecake - Putting his thoughts out there openly re: possible scum and teams, w/w, s/s etc. Not many questions so far, but could be playstyle.
is playstyle thing mostly! don't mind asking questions if i have one, but generally content to let people play their game, and figure out who is trying to find wolves, and who isn't, from that
Not really liking Highroller or Vaimes. The former mostly because I don't feel that inquisitive nature and the latter is more on tone and just bad vibes.
touch of paranoia about reading me as "ridiculously pure town" when i'm not remotely out of my wolf range and have barely played the game so far, especially given i had a hard-to-explain town read on gj
can you talk more about vaimes? i think he's been pretty townish, so curious what makes you feel otherwise based on "tone and just bad vibes", is there anything you can directly point to?
you have tom pretty much dead center of your reads last i checked, but no real comment on him or much, if any, engagement with him
what are your thoughts on his shtick, how he's presenting his thoughts, and if you think it's more likely to come from him as town or scum the way he is doing it, specifically?
iso him a bit if need be, he's calling everything scummy, but i'm curious to see your take on how much you can see him genuinely trying to do or communicate anything through it
also, if he's so dead center for you, is there a reason you haven't really talked to/about him much, especially given you said you weren't sure on the ordering of the middle?
Tom has a special place in my heart, his being central isn’t really because of his own actions, but because I’ve not even considered him yet; gimmicking isn’t AI for him at all, even one chosen off the cuff. He doesn’t care about winning, or being wrong, he cares about having fun, which makes him much more different to read for alignment than other people. I haven’t talked about him at all because I’m not ready to put the effort in to look at his motivation.
He’s parked his vote on me, and I think he thinks it’s serious, but it could just be fun.
I don’t feel like I really can give you what you seek here; I am pretty sure I will be able to read him correctly in a couple days, and I know a couple other people should be able to as well (that does depend on them being town though).
I don’t particularly need to Iso him, I can tell you that he’s put some thoughts between the lines, and he’d probably contest that some of the more nuanced thoughts he’s trying to convey are in there, but not so clear as he thinks.
TL;DR Tom is enigmatic, but not as much of an enigma as he wants to be.
i would believe this, sure
i've played in a few mashes with tom, and he's generally been pretty clearly trying to and able to communicate well, so this deliberate obfuscation is jarring
i do realize he'll do this kind of gimmick as either alignment, and can also believe that his own enjoyment is paramount to him - but i do think more actual solving would leak through into his posts if he were town here
it's a frustration, obnoxious gimmick compared to others he could have used, but that's not really relevant to his alignment, more just that i can't really tell what is real vs. fake, and that even if he were town there would be real vs fake to sift through in his posts, as he is saying something is scummy about literally everyone
it creates an extra layer to have to try and read through that shouldn't exist. i'd be more indifferent if it was him holding himself to a gimmick, but doing his good faith best to communicate through that gimmick, but needing to say things that aren't what he truly believes of their alignment makes it nigh impossible, and pretty sharply anti-town
tl;dr i care less about tom when asking you those things, and trying to figure out your alignment when asking those things. i wanted to see if you'd have any critical thought there or attempt to figure out his alignment and determine if it was real vs fake, and instead got you shaking the magic 8 ball and saying to ask again later, effectively
i almost think as scum you'd have tried to feed me something there but it is pretty weak
It was 1900 posts in, near the end of day 3 (I was curious so I checked).
I read the game from there to the end. Shadow lost that game, which reinforces my idea that Shadow wouldn’t claim vt as scum this early.
It also reminded me how good I am at sniffing out scum!Shadow. I was on him early in that game (until I replaced out ), and recently copped him in another N1 because I was heavily leaning scum on him.
It was 1900 posts in, near the end of day 3 (I was curious so I checked).
I read the game from there to the end. Shadow lost that game, which reinforces my idea that Shadow wouldn’t claim vt as scum this early.
It also reminded me how good I am at sniffing out scum!Shadow. I was on him early in that game (until I replaced out ), and recently copped him in another N1 because I was heavily leaning scum on him.
tl;dr i care less about tom when asking you those things, and trying to figure out your alignment when asking those things. i wanted to see if you'd have any critical thought there or attempt to figure out his alignment and determine if it was real vs fake, and instead got you shaking the magic 8 ball and saying to ask again later, effectively
i almost think as scum you'd have tried to feed me something there but it is pretty weak
Im aware, I know how this game is played
You’re not wrong in that I’m really not devoting critical thought to Tom right now; there are so many other players more suited to that today.
@Cheesecake, going to answer your question when I have more than a few minutes but wanted to get this out there first
You guys know Tom doesn't ACTUALLY think people are scummy, right? Like, it's a joke? When you read a response like, "Rhand is scum for voting his scummiest vote" (not a real quote, just an example), that isn't a real scumread.
It's baffling to me why people seem to be taking this shtick seriously and/or saying it is hard to read through.
tl;dr i care less about tom when asking you those things, and trying to figure out your alignment when asking those things. i wanted to see if you'd have any critical thought there or attempt to figure out his alignment and determine if it was real vs fake, and instead got you shaking the magic 8 ball and saying to ask again later, effectively
i almost think as scum you'd have tried to feed me something there but it is pretty weak
Im aware, I know how this game is played
You’re not wrong in that I’m really not devoting critical thought to Tom right now; there are so many other players more suited to that today.
do you think there's anything you've done this game that is indicative of your alignment? disregarding your claim
tl;dr i care less about tom when asking you those things, and trying to figure out your alignment when asking those things. i wanted to see if you'd have any critical thought there or attempt to figure out his alignment and determine if it was real vs fake, and instead got you shaking the magic 8 ball and saying to ask again later, effectively
i almost think as scum you'd have tried to feed me something there but it is pretty weak
Im aware, I know how this game is played
You’re not wrong in that I’m really not devoting critical thought to Tom right now; there are so many other players more suited to that today.
do you think there's anything you've done this game that is indicative of your alignment? disregarding your claim
basically, why are you town?
You’re not going to like this answer; No, I don’t think so. I think people can read into motivation, or pick up on certain things as indicators, but nothing I’ve specifically done is outside of my scum range. Not even my claim (probably).
tl;dr i care less about tom when asking you those things, and trying to figure out your alignment when asking those things. i wanted to see if you'd have any critical thought there or attempt to figure out his alignment and determine if it was real vs fake, and instead got you shaking the magic 8 ball and saying to ask again later, effectively
i almost think as scum you'd have tried to feed me something there but it is pretty weak
Im aware, I know how this game is played
You’re not wrong in that I’m really not devoting critical thought to Tom right now; there are so many other players more suited to that today.
do you think there's anything you've done this game that is indicative of your alignment? disregarding your claim
basically, why are you town?
You’re not going to like this answer; No, I don’t think so. I think people can read into motivation, or pick up on certain things as indicators, but nothing I’ve specifically done is outside of my scum range. Not even my claim (probably).
i mean
it's what i was mostly expecting you to answer as either alignment, but wanted to see if you'd shovel me bull*****, or point to something i might have not considered
you get handed a 2-shot dayvig, and told to fire immediately
If there’s something I’m not doing though, it’s attacking tom for his gimmick. I was attacking him over why he called me scum, and that was before realising he was calling everyone scum.
1) LnGrrrR - Towniest town to ever town
2) Ecophagy - I liked his question towards Rhand, and his mindset seems towny asking questions of pretty much everyone and trying to get ahold of the game state.
3) Tomsloger - Seems open, unafraid, is working out who he thinks he can and can't trust early
4) SleepyCheesecake -
5) Cantripmancer - I think that Cantrip's push on me comes from excited town rather than scum. I don't think scum latches onto a push so strongly and so early. Could be wolf but I lean town right now.
6) Vaimes - Engaged, don't see any misreps, nothing suspicious so far, liked his response to the question about him skimming the page
7) Shadowlancerx - Giving Shadow the benefit of the doubt. I think his willingness to hear my answer comes from town, and not scum trying to justify his vote.
8) Rumanshi (Riku) - Nully null null
9) Rhand - ... need to read more. Can't get a read one way or another yet.
10. Gentleman Johnny - Still weirded out by his lack of vote after thinking I was fishing. If he is scum, I would look at Shadow. Rereading, their interactions seem... false. I don't know, a lot of semi friendly-ish interactions.
11. Highroller - Really quiet... haven't been impressed by the few posts he's had so far, since his finished game he sounded super towny quick to me. When he did just pop in, he didn't comment on any of the action going on in the game.
???) Azrael - Out in some weird limbo of no post land
@GJ, I don't think you answered earlier, how free are you with your voting, especially early game/Day 1?
@Shadow, why the vote on Highroller?
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
4) SleepyCheesecake - Putting his thoughts out there openly re: possible scum and teams, w/w, s/s etc. Not many questions so far, but could be playstyle.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
To clarify, you're not impacting my fun or anything, I'm just finding it weird that you're being quite short with people (going all in on LnGrrR, "NOTED" against GJ, sniping at Vaimes, challenging Rhand to the THUNDERDOME). But you're not really under any pressure, nor would I associate this with you as either alignment - pressure or not. Maybe it is just over excitement that's being expressed in an odd way. After your V/LA (why bother declaring this for under a day??) could you take a step back and see if you can more calmly reflect on things?
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Given that you were so keen to discuss my reasons for voting you, but followed my response in #136 with nothing apart from a quick OMGUS by putting me at the bottom of your nulls list, I wouldn't say I was the one willfully not engaging.
Glibness aside, #236 was actually a direct invitation for you to explain why you moved your vote - although I grant it was phrased rather rhetorically.
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Tom: Thoughts on Rhand/Shadow as w/w? It would explain why Rhand was so happy to accept Shadow's "mindmeld" in #138. Also while I have you, what do you think about Shadow's #149 ("Random hottake: Cantrip is intentionally trying to play in a feisty manner to mask his alignment from the likes of myself/Tom.")
RE: Tom in general, I think I have a decent framework for reading him here. I can't really discuss details until he's given me enough data points, but I know what I'm looking for. Right now, he's in my town bucket for thinking along the lines to me RE: Shadow at least.
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Hey Vaimes, as I understand it, you're getting bad feelings about both Shadow and Cantrip. Do you think that their proximity of voting for LnGrrR is indicative of them being not knowingly aligned?
If he voted first and Cantrip followed, eh, maybe?
Please could you rephrase that? I can't work out which way round you mean >_>
If Cantrip followed shadow’s vote, it’s possibly an indicator of a non-alignment, but Daychat/coaching are potential unknowns.
Scorpio. Why?
For reference (don’t really want to go quote it all):
You voted me
I asked your issue with the list
You said you took issue with the timing of it
I said that seems like a vague reason to vote me
You said it’s not the reason
I said you sidestepped the initial question
You gave me reasons you thought I was scum 136
I posted my list
I do think you’re being slightly pedantic by saying you being in the bottom of my null pile is OMGUS, it’s a null pile, and I even said I wasn’t thrilled with it. Fair, I promise I’ll get to it then. I kinda would like Highroller to make a few more posts before I dig into it; I don’t really even need him to acknowledge my vote, just want to see some thread presence for me to look at and see if I’m off base.
@Vaimes: I didn’t realize you had so little play with Cantrip. It was overwatch then, he and I were scum on that game. FWIW, he’s also capable of screwing with voting analysis, but since I’m not scum and I don’t really think he is, it doesn’t matter.
Why would Cantrip be leading wagon though? He seems super inquisitive, and at least actively working.
Pretty conservative voter as both town and wolf. It's what makes me so irritating to read. My "meta tells" are all pretty NAI. Anger used to be a town tell for me until Playstation.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
tom is also pretty solidly in his town meta.
Not really liking Highroller or Vaimes. The former mostly because I don't feel that inquisitive nature and the latter is more on tone and just bad vibes.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Your question has no answer beyond the one I gave in the quote.
Partly it.
Partly was when we had our little rambo off, I felt like it was townies bashing into each other. So cantrip/shadow/lngrr/ I have as townie (slightly hesitant on Eco). Other people I am town reading or null reading for different reasons.
I almost I feel like Azrael is wolfy, mostly because I feel like I am scraping the barrel to come up with 3 people that can be wolves. Still early though.
Lacking strong wolf reads right now. Light wolf reads on you/Highroller, slightly lighter on eco and rhand. But different meta than the quick and run I have gotten more accustom to. Moire used to just spitballing ideas, and interacting in almost real time. Trying to analyze posts after they have been dealt with for a while is tougher when other people have already commented on it.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Enough people do that for real, and get real ******* testy about it, you will forgive me if I took you at face value.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Eh, I don't really like this post. Towniest part of it is probably the end, and even that is pretty null. Getting a naked town read and not questioning it is pretty standard mafia play. Even new mafia players can fake the paranoia pretty well (since cheesecake is new to the site, not to mafia).
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I present to you: scum!shadow claiming VT five months ago.
feel like there's a difference between claiming vt when pushed to claim and presumably other pr's already claimed given the context of the quote, and claiming vt a day or two into day one
There be dragons?
Something like that.
can you talk about the bolded tom read more lng? maybe cite some examples that indicate him working out who he can and can't trust
is playstyle thing mostly! don't mind asking questions if i have one, but generally content to let people play their game, and figure out who is trying to find wolves, and who isn't, from that
touch of paranoia about reading me as "ridiculously pure town" when i'm not remotely out of my wolf range and have barely played the game so far, especially given i had a hard-to-explain town read on gj
can you talk more about vaimes? i think he's been pretty townish, so curious what makes you feel otherwise based on "tone and just bad vibes", is there anything you can directly point to?
you have tom pretty much dead center of your reads last i checked, but no real comment on him or much, if any, engagement with him
what are your thoughts on his shtick, how he's presenting his thoughts, and if you think it's more likely to come from him as town or scum the way he is doing it, specifically?
iso him a bit if need be, he's calling everything scummy, but i'm curious to see your take on how much you can see him genuinely trying to do or communicate anything through it
also, if he's so dead center for you, is there a reason you haven't really talked to/about him much, especially given you said you weren't sure on the ordering of the middle?
i was looking for a slow phase game, but slow phases plus only 11 (and closer to 10) people participating means there's not a lot going on
maybe i'll do some re-reading and do a happy hour question funtime bonanza
He’s parked his vote on me, and I think he thinks it’s serious, but it could just be fun.
I don’t feel like I really can give you what you seek here; I am pretty sure I will be able to read him correctly in a couple days, and I know a couple other people should be able to as well (that does depend on them being town though).
I don’t particularly need to Iso him, I can tell you that he’s put some thoughts between the lines, and he’d probably contest that some of the more nuanced thoughts he’s trying to convey are in there, but not so clear as he thinks.
i would believe this, sure
i've played in a few mashes with tom, and he's generally been pretty clearly trying to and able to communicate well, so this deliberate obfuscation is jarring
i do realize he'll do this kind of gimmick as either alignment, and can also believe that his own enjoyment is paramount to him - but i do think more actual solving would leak through into his posts if he were town here
it's a frustration, obnoxious gimmick compared to others he could have used, but that's not really relevant to his alignment, more just that i can't really tell what is real vs. fake, and that even if he were town there would be real vs fake to sift through in his posts, as he is saying something is scummy about literally everyone
it creates an extra layer to have to try and read through that shouldn't exist. i'd be more indifferent if it was him holding himself to a gimmick, but doing his good faith best to communicate through that gimmick, but needing to say things that aren't what he truly believes of their alignment makes it nigh impossible, and pretty sharply anti-town
i almost think as scum you'd have tried to feed me something there but it is pretty weak
I read the game from there to the end. Shadow lost that game, which reinforces my idea that Shadow wouldn’t claim vt as scum this early.
It also reminded me how good I am at sniffing out scum!Shadow. I was on him early in that game (until I replaced out ), and recently copped him in another N1 because I was heavily leaning scum on him.
could you elaborate on your gj town read?
You’re not wrong in that I’m really not devoting critical thought to Tom right now; there are so many other players more suited to that today.
You guys know Tom doesn't ACTUALLY think people are scummy, right? Like, it's a joke? When you read a response like, "Rhand is scum for voting his scummiest vote" (not a real quote, just an example), that isn't a real scumread.
It's baffling to me why people seem to be taking this shtick seriously and/or saying it is hard to read through.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
do you think there's anything you've done this game that is indicative of your alignment? disregarding your claim
basically, why are you town?
I guessed his role.
i don't really know how to respond to that without going down a path we probably shouldn't
@Rhand: :angry:
i mean
it's what i was mostly expecting you to answer as either alignment, but wanted to see if you'd shovel me bull*****, or point to something i might have not considered
you get handed a 2-shot dayvig, and told to fire immediately
who do you shoot?
I didn’t know what else to answer :/