Take note everyone: this is what a man with nothing in his hand looks like when his bluff has been called.
What bluff?
The only reason yesterday I even did that was it seemed like we had caught a doc in our kill sights and I backed off them with only a few hours to go and I didn't want to lynch Riku so I offered myself off. Do you even know how to read game states or are you just confused about what is going on?
The other comments you've quoted had to do with the ghost buster kill which is an entirely different matter.
Your personal vendetta is getting out of hand. Almost as much as KA who literally votes me every game and sits on me but not quite.
Why wouldn't you want me lynched.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
@Tubba - Can you elaborate on what you find at least somewhat hypocritical in your underlined portions so I can address it? I'm not sure how it's hypocritical.
@Tubba As for your question at the end, I don't have a concrete feeling on whether or not they are both aligned, but gut says no, based on flavor alone.
OK I will make everything clear about my roleclaim, because people have trouble understanding it, it seems.
I am a Town Doctorguard. Each night, I target someone not cocooned. This cancels ONE nightkill against the target. If the target has no nightkills directed at them, they become cocooned. Whenever a cocooned player would be NKed, I die instead.
In addition, Tom, can you please explain your vote?
Kinda hard to defend against "Ztdhtheiihs is scum" arguments.
OK I will make everything clear about my roleclaim, because people have trouble understanding it, it seems.
I am a Town Doctorguard. Each night, I target someone not cocooned. This cancels ONE nightkill against the target. If the target has no nightkills directed at them, they become cocooned. Whenever a cocooned player would be NKed, I die instead.
In addition, Tom, can you please explain your vote?
Kinda hard to defend against "Ztdhtheiihs is scum" arguments.
OK I will make everything clear about my roleclaim, because people have trouble understanding it, it seems.
I am a Town Doctorguard. Each night, I target someone not cocooned. This cancels ONE nightkill against the target. If the target has no nightkills directed at them, they become cocooned. Whenever a cocooned player would be NKed, I die instead.
In addition, Tom, can you please explain your vote?
Kinda hard to defend against "Ztdhtheiihs is scum" arguments.
Everybody wants to know why you targeted silvercrys with your doc protect. RE was one of the scummiest people in the game and had the biggest chance of getting vigged shot. Saving him frankly makes no sense from any perspective.
A scum doctor that protects from daykills makes too much sense.
Speaking of silvercrys I think that's where I want to vote today. Either him or ztd.
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OK I will make everything clear about my roleclaim, because people have trouble understanding it, it seems.
I am a Town Doctorguard. Each night, I target someone not cocooned. This cancels ONE nightkill against the target. If the target has no nightkills directed at them, they become cocooned. Whenever a cocooned player would be NKed, I die instead.
In addition, Tom, can you please explain your vote?
Kinda hard to defend against "Ztdhtheiihs is scum" arguments.
If this is the entirety of your role, how are you finding out who gets targeted with NKs?
Apparently, the mod forgot that I learn if my targets are targeted by NKs.
@highroller/dv either of you think were enjoying reading this back and forth?
Or that we dont already know your stances?
Not sure what you want me to say when a player for an entire game day continued the march figured I'd try something different. I understand your position and sympathize hopefully you understand mine as well.
@Tubba - Can you elaborate on what you find at least somewhat hypocritical in your underlined portions so I can address it? I'm not sure how it's hypocritical.
Basically you point out that you liked Highroller’s post breakdown of Vez. You then smear me for scumreading Vez, then you question a different player for townreading him. I explained what bothered me about Vez, and why I didn’t want to Vote 123abc. Maybe you missed that, but I’d like a definitive stance on Vez from you. It looks like you’re attacking other players for their opinions on them, without giving one of your own. Also, my colour tag isn’t working but I wanted to know how Rhand’s flip affects your read on Vez.
what do you think that bit of the role pm means wrt number of wolves?
Could be 4+1 or 3+1, but if it's 4+1 I'd expect a non-killing neutral like a survivor or something, I think. Why does this matter though?
Alright, I'm caught up~ish but I feel super disconnected from the game right now. I'm going to iso Rodemy for spew tonight when I get home since it seems like that... hasn't been done yet somehow?
Re: ZDS claim, I'm pretty sure he's saying he's a doctor the first night and bodyguards them on all subsequent nights.
So like, if I had been targeted by a kill last night, both I and ZDS would have lived, and ZDS would know he stopped a kill on me. But if I'm targeted by a night kill toNight, he'll die in my place because I'm cocooned now. Apparently.
Sounds like a super strong role and I'm not sure how much I believe it, especially considering that I can't confirm that I'm cocooned, but it's probably self resolving and we can just ignore him since he has to keep targeting new players and after, like, N4 or something he will either be dead or there will be a missing kill from it.
OK I will make everything clear about my roleclaim, because people have trouble understanding it, it seems.
I am a Town Doctorguard. Each night, I target someone not cocooned. This cancels ONE nightkill against the target. If the target has no nightkills directed at them, they become cocooned. Whenever a cocooned player would be NKed, I die instead.
In addition, Tom, can you please explain your vote?
Kinda hard to defend against "Ztdhtheiihs is scum" arguments.
Everybody wants to know why you targeted silvercrys with your doc protect. RE was one of the scummiest people in the game and had the biggest chance of getting vigged shot. Saving him frankly makes no sense from any perspective.
A scum doctor that protects from daykills makes too much sense.
Speaking of silvercrys I think that's where I want to vote today. Either him or ztd.
I agree. Targeting him would have been stupid. I got redirected from tom to him.
OK I will make everything clear about my roleclaim, because people have trouble understanding it, it seems.
I am a Town Doctorguard. Each night, I target someone not cocooned. This cancels ONE nightkill against the target. If the target has no nightkills directed at them, they become cocooned. Whenever a cocooned player would be NKed, I die instead.
In addition, Tom, can you please explain your vote?
Kinda hard to defend against "Ztdhtheiihs is scum" arguments.
If this is the entirety of your role, how are you finding out who gets targeted with NKs?
Apparently, the mod forgot that I learn if my targets are targeted by NKs.
@highroller/dv either of you think were enjoying reading this back and forth?
Or that we dont already know your stances?
Not sure what you want me to say when a player for an entire game day continued the march figured I'd try something different. I understand your position and sympathize hopefully you understand mine as well.
What do you mean? What is "the march"? Please explain this better, but it feels super AtE to me.
Also, yeah, tom's neutral thing isn't really a slip, Vezok brought up neutrals before anyone else and said it was definitely Kami after saying the 3rd party role was a ninja, tom just agreed that it made some kind of sense. I guess you could make the argument that he kept saying Kami was probably a neutral after that which meant he "knows" there's one but it doesn't seem all that persuasive.
Also, yeah, tom's neutral thing isn't really a slip, Vezok brought up neutrals before anyone else and said it was definitely Kami after saying the 3rd party role was a ninja, tom just agreed that it made some kind of sense. I guess you could make the argument that he kept saying Kami was probably a neutral after that which meant he "knows" there's one but it doesn't seem all that persuasive.
No yeah I wasn't sure I was just bringing up that the mafia MAY have known and that tom MAY have slipped.
What do you mean? What is "the march"? Please explain this better, but it feels super AtE to me.
Its literally an AtE comment to an AtE comment so yeah?
And if you don't know what the march is go read the bloody game. FFS.
what do you think that bit of the role pm means wrt number of wolves?
Could be 4+1 or 3+1, but if it's 4+1 I'd expect a non-killing neutral like a survivor or something, I think. Why does this matter though?
so i think it pretty much confirms 4 scum
Otherwise its confirmation of a neutral to the scumteam which is not unheard of but when it happens its not... by deduction from one role pm
Think it might, in fact, make a neutral more likely (which is elementary at this point because kami but w/e) but thats not what im taking from it
I dont think zdst's role exists without scum having extra kills/multiball, which
Well
Other than the fact that this is supposed to be a normal, multiball does kinda make sense but even then where da kills at
what do you think that bit of the role pm means wrt number of wolves?
Could be 4+1 or 3+1, but if it's 4+1 I'd expect a non-killing neutral like a survivor or something, I think. Why does this matter though?
so i think it pretty much confirms 4 scum
Otherwise its confirmation of a neutral to the scumteam which is not unheard of but when it happens its not... by deduction from one role pm
Think it might, in fact, make a neutral more likely (which is elementary at this point because kami but w/e) but thats not what im taking from it
Do you think that KA could just be scum and that the delayer that seems to target lowest post counts is just scum?
Not really sure what to think of the delay thing. It could just be a mechanic, but i was assuming role. Possibly Annie Potts' character?
Idk doesnt help that everyone whos claimed delayed is unknown and there was multiple n1 and im pretty much open to any of [town/scum/neutral/game mechanic] for it aorn
I dont think zdst's role exists without scum having extra kills/multiball, which
Well
Other than the fact that this is supposed to be a normal, multiball does kinda make sense but even then where da kills at
What is multiball?
I thought I had a good role, but what's zdtsd is claiming seems even stronger - a doctor-bodyguard with a semiwatcher stapled to it?
Hm. zd, do your abilities specifically reference NKs, or just kills?
@Tubba - Can you elaborate on what you find at least somewhat hypocritical in your underlined portions so I can address it? I'm not sure how it's hypocritical.
Basically you point out that you liked Highroller’s post breakdown of Vez. You then smear me for scumreading Vez, then you question a different player for townreading him. I explained what bothered me about Vez, and why I didn’t want to Vote 123abc. Maybe you missed that, but I’d like a definitive stance on Vez from you. It looks like you’re attacking other players for their opinions on them, without giving one of your own. Also, my colour tag isn’t working but I wanted to know how Rhand’s flip affects your read on Vez.
1. I had a few breakdown of how I felt he was scummy previously I still have him as scummy, but not so much as either DV or ZDT.
2. How did I smear you?
3. Rhand's flip did nothing to change my views on Vez. I don't believe his alignment can be determined based on Rhand being town.
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@Tubba - Can you elaborate on what you find at least somewhat hypocritical in your underlined portions so I can address it? I'm not sure how it's hypocritical.
Basically you point out that you liked Highroller’s post breakdown of Vez. You then smear me for scumreading Vez, then you question a different player for townreading him. I explained what bothered me about Vez, and why I didn’t want to Vote 123abc. Maybe you missed that, but I’d like a definitive stance on Vez from you. It looks like you’re attacking other players for their opinions on them, without giving one of your own. Also, my colour tag isn’t working but I wanted to know how Rhand’s flip affects your read on Vez.
1. I had a few breakdown of how I felt he was scummy previously I still have him as scummy, but not so much as either DV or ZDT.
2. How did I smear you?
3. Rhand's flip did nothing to change my views on Vez. I don't believe his alignment can be determined based on Rhand being town.
Smear is a stronger word than I wanted. It seemed like you called out my scumread whilst having your own scumread, and then shortly thereafter called out a different players townread.
@Tubba - Can you elaborate on what you find at least somewhat hypocritical in your underlined portions so I can address it? I'm not sure how it's hypocritical.
Basically you point out that you liked Highroller’s post breakdown of Vez. You then smear me for scumreading Vez, then you question a different player for townreading him. I explained what bothered me about Vez, and why I didn’t want to Vote 123abc. Maybe you missed that, but I’d like a definitive stance on Vez from you. It looks like you’re attacking other players for their opinions on them, without giving one of your own. Also, my colour tag isn’t working but I wanted to know how Rhand’s flip affects your read on Vez.
1. I had a few breakdown of how I felt he was scummy previously I still have him as scummy, but not so much as either DV or ZDT.
2. How did I smear you?
3. Rhand's flip did nothing to change my views on Vez. I don't believe his alignment can be determined based on Rhand being town.
Smear is a stronger word than I wanted. It seemed like you called out my scumread whilst having your own scumread, and then shortly thereafter called out a different players townread.
I kind of am calling out your scumread. You super hedged in your comment about Vez. I can believe that you are not committing while maintaining my belief that he is scum. Those two things are mutually exclusive.
@Tubba - Can you elaborate on what you find at least somewhat hypocritical in your underlined portions so I can address it? I'm not sure how it's hypocritical.
Basically you point out that you liked Highroller’s post breakdown of Vez. You then smear me for scumreading Vez, then you question a different player for townreading him. I explained what bothered me about Vez, and why I didn’t want to Vote 123abc. Maybe you missed that, but I’d like a definitive stance on Vez from you. It looks like you’re attacking other players for their opinions on them, without giving one of your own. Also, my colour tag isn’t working but I wanted to know how Rhand’s flip affects your read on Vez.
1. I had a few breakdown of how I felt he was scummy previously I still have him as scummy, but not so much as either DV or ZDT.
2. How did I smear you?
3. Rhand's flip did nothing to change my views on Vez. I don't believe his alignment can be determined based on Rhand being town.
Smear is a stronger word than I wanted. It seemed like you called out my scumread whilst having your own scumread, and then shortly thereafter called out a different players townread.
I kind of am calling out your scumread. You super hedged in your comment about Vez. I can believe that you are not committing while maintaining my belief that he is scum. Those two things are mutually exclusive.
How many times did you vote for Vez again? You’re post makes you look just as hedging on Vez, while opening up avenues on other players. I haven’t trusted Vez for most of the game, for reasons I previously mentioned. Either you didn’t read those or they don’t suit your narrative. Your post says “Vez might be scummy, this guy is lying about thinking Vez’s scummy, this other guy is lying about thinking Vez isn’t scummy, but I’m going to quasi vote two entirely different players”
You call me out for hedging, and leave yourself open to move onto FIVE different players.
In your #1483, where you’ve quoted Tom, you say “I also think Rhand flipping Town gives a little credence to Vez being scum”. Would you elaborate on that?
Thinking about the two dogpiles that happened yesterday.
tomsloger votes Riku, and then Rhand, D_V, and vezokpiraka vote Riku immediately afterward. In less than 2 and a half real-time hours, Riku has 4 votes.
So then tomsloger votes ztdsd. Instantly D_V, vezok, Vaimes, and EtR vote ztdsd. tomsloger unvotes and votes Riku in between all of those, but otherwise it's just one post after another of voting.
I ask the town: is there any way that there's no mafia who's a part of that? I doubt it.
So, first list: tomsloger, Rhand (confirmed town), D_V, vezok
Second list: tomsloger, D_V, vezok, Vaimes, EtR
D_V and vezok are the common denominators here.
It's also noteworthy that D_V ranted and railed yesterday about how bad the Riku bandwagon was, to the point where he was willing to lynch himself instead, was after he himself was on it. I'd forgotten about that.
Thinking about the two dogpiles that happened yesterday.
tomsloger votes Riku, and then Rhand, D_V, and vezokpiraka vote Riku immediately afterward. In less than 2 and a half real-time hours, Riku has 4 votes.
So then tomsloger votes ztdsd. Instantly D_V, vezok, Vaimes, and EtR vote ztdsd. tomsloger unvotes and votes Riku in between all of those, but otherwise it's just one post after another of voting.
I ask the town: is there any way that there's no mafia who's a part of that? I doubt it.
So, first list: tomsloger, Rhand (confirmed town), D_V, vezok
Second list: tomsloger, D_V, vezok, Vaimes, EtR
D_V and vezok are the common denominators here.
It's also noteworthy that D_V ranted and railed yesterday about how bad the Riku bandwagon was, to the point where he was willing to lynch himself instead, was after he himself was on it. I'd forgotten about that.
This is exactly the point I was trying to make when I pointed out that my wagon grew WAY too quickly; there HAS to be at least 1 scum on those wagons, and D_V is the best choice due to having a lot of other reasons for being scum.
Thinking about the two dogpiles that happened yesterday.
tomsloger votes Riku, and then Rhand, D_V, and vezokpiraka vote Riku immediately afterward. In less than 2 and a half real-time hours, Riku has 4 votes.
So then tomsloger votes ztdsd. Instantly D_V, vezok, Vaimes, and EtR vote ztdsd. tomsloger unvotes and votes Riku in between all of those, but otherwise it's just one post after another of voting.
I ask the town: is there any way that there's no mafia who's a part of that? I doubt it.
So, first list: tomsloger, Rhand (confirmed town), D_V, vezok
Second list: tomsloger, D_V, vezok, Vaimes, EtR
D_V and vezok are the common denominators here.
It's also noteworthy that D_V ranted and railed yesterday about how bad the Riku bandwagon was, to the point where he was willing to lynch himself instead, was after he himself was on it. I'd forgotten about that.
This is exactly the point I was trying to make when I pointed out that my wagon grew WAY too quickly; there HAS to be at least 1 scum on those wagons, and D_V is the best choice due to having a lot of other reasons for being scum.
Basically you point out that you liked Highroller’s post breakdown of Vez. You then smear me for scumreading Vez, then you question a different player for townreading him. I explained what bothered me about Vez, and why I didn’t want to Vote 123abc. Maybe you missed that, but I’d like a definitive stance on Vez from you. It looks like you’re attacking other players for their opinions on them, without giving one of your own. Also, my colour tag isn’t working but I wanted to know how Rhand’s flip affects your read on Vez.
1. I had a few breakdown of how I felt he was scummy previously I still have him as scummy, but not so much as either DV or ZDT.
2. How did I smear you?
3. Rhand's flip did nothing to change my views on Vez. I don't believe his alignment can be determined based on Rhand being town.
Smear is a stronger word than I wanted. It seemed like you called out my scumread whilst having your own scumread, and then shortly thereafter called out a different players townread.
I kind of am calling out your scumread. You super hedged in your comment about Vez. I can believe that you are not committing while maintaining my belief that he is scum. Those two things are mutually exclusive.
How many times did you vote for Vez again? You’re post makes you look just as hedging on Vez, while opening up avenues on other players. I haven’t trusted Vez for most of the game, for reasons I previously mentioned. Either you didn’t read those or they don’t suit your narrative. Your post says “Vez might be scummy, this guy is lying about thinking Vez’s scummy, this other guy is lying about thinking Vez isn’t scummy, but I’m going to quasi vote two entirely different players”
You call me out for hedging, and leave yourself open to move onto FIVE different players.
In your #1483, where you’ve quoted Tom, you say “I also think Rhand flipping Town gives a little credence to Vez being scum”. Would you elaborate on that?
How many times did I vote for Vez? I dunno, 1 for sure. I've certainly not been silent on who I think has been scummy. How many Scum do you think we have left in the game?
Wagons don't grow that quickly when everyone on the wagon is town.
they can.
They can, yes, but it doesn't happen normally. Similarly, people who hammer early on D1 can be town. But, it's rare enough that assuming they are scum is generally correct.
But here is the problem: I could see this happening... ONCE.
After the second speedy wagon, that is not a coincidence. It is a pattern.
Wagons don't grow that quickly when everyone on the wagon is town.
they can.
They can, yes, but it doesn't happen normally. Similarly, people who hammer early on D1 can be town. But, it's rare enough that assuming they are scum is generally correct.
But here is the problem: I could see this happening... ONCE.
After the second speedy wagon, that is not a coincidence. It is a pattern.
What?
Hammering on day one is scummy? What the ****.
What *****ty mafia website do you come from? Cause that's the stupidest claim I've ever seen.
Tom I agree with everything you've said about the zdstd role claim. I'd also like to add that the only way that role makes sense is if it also died to ghost buster day kill with the cocoons. That being said the player seems to be totally incompetent and I wouldn't be 100% surprised if they are continuing to bungle a true claim still. For incompetence see their latest two scum tells that make no sense in this mafia world IE the player should know that about these arguments they are making and they clearly do not understand.
I would guess that they still are probabally scum. But also that the role is sorta self resolving? IE it should die sooner rather than later on its own and if it doesn't well then lynch it.
I give it 70-30 scum chances right now.
But... I really want to lynch silver too.
Whats everyones feelings on Tubba/ETR?
Also I shouldn't have opposed the Ruma lynch. Worst DV play in 2k19? LOL just a terrible performance from me in general TBH. Still feel like vaimes has to be scum since he has an even worse performance and this game is making his playstation performance look like MVP.
Why wouldn't you want me lynched.
Or that we dont already know your stances?
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I am a Town Doctorguard. Each night, I target someone not cocooned. This cancels ONE nightkill against the target. If the target has no nightkills directed at them, they become cocooned. Whenever a cocooned player would be NKed, I die instead.
In addition, Tom, can you please explain your vote?
Kinda hard to defend against "Ztdhtheiihs is scum" arguments.
Deal with it.
I don't think the confusion is around your role.
Everybody wants to know why you targeted silvercrys with your doc protect. RE was one of the scummiest people in the game and had the biggest chance of getting vigged shot. Saving him frankly makes no sense from any perspective.
A scum doctor that protects from daykills makes too much sense.
Speaking of silvercrys I think that's where I want to vote today. Either him or ztd.
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vezok, he targeted Silver because tom and Silver were switched by DV.
Basically you point out that you liked Highroller’s post breakdown of Vez. You then smear me for scumreading Vez, then you question a different player for townreading him. I explained what bothered me about Vez, and why I didn’t want to Vote 123abc. Maybe you missed that, but I’d like a definitive stance on Vez from you. It looks like you’re attacking other players for their opinions on them, without giving one of your own. Also, my colour tag isn’t working but I wanted to know how Rhand’s flip affects your read on Vez.
Alright, I'm caught up~ish but I feel super disconnected from the game right now. I'm going to iso Rodemy for spew tonight when I get home since it seems like that... hasn't been done yet somehow?
Re: ZDS claim, I'm pretty sure he's saying he's a doctor the first night and bodyguards them on all subsequent nights.
So like, if I had been targeted by a kill last night, both I and ZDS would have lived, and ZDS would know he stopped a kill on me. But if I'm targeted by a night kill toNight, he'll die in my place because I'm cocooned now. Apparently.
Sounds like a super strong role and I'm not sure how much I believe it, especially considering that I can't confirm that I'm cocooned, but it's probably self resolving and we can just ignore him since he has to keep targeting new players and after, like, N4 or something he will either be dead or there will be a missing kill from it.
I agree. Targeting him would have been stupid. I got redirected from tom to him.
I learn if my target is cocooned.
Yes.
What do you mean? What is "the march"? Please explain this better, but it feels super AtE to me.
Deal with it.
No yeah I wasn't sure I was just bringing up that the mafia MAY have known and that tom MAY have slipped.
Its literally an AtE comment to an AtE comment so yeah?
And if you don't know what the march is go read the bloody game. FFS.
Otherwise its confirmation of a neutral to the scumteam which is not unheard of but when it happens its not... by deduction from one role pm
Think it might, in fact, make a neutral more likely (which is elementary at this point because kami but w/e) but thats not what im taking from it
Well
Other than the fact that this is supposed to be a normal, multiball does kinda make sense but even then where da kills at
Do you think that KA could just be scum and that the delayer that seems to target lowest post counts is just scum?
Idk doesnt help that everyone whos claimed delayed is unknown and there was multiple n1 and im pretty much open to any of [town/scum/neutral/game mechanic] for it aorn
I thought I had a good role, but what's zdtsd is claiming seems even stronger - a doctor-bodyguard with a semiwatcher stapled to it?
Hm. zd, do your abilities specifically reference NKs, or just kills?
Not usually an mtgs thing though.
1. I had a few breakdown of how I felt he was scummy previously I still have him as scummy, but not so much as either DV or ZDT.
2. How did I smear you?
3. Rhand's flip did nothing to change my views on Vez. I don't believe his alignment can be determined based on Rhand being town.
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Votecount 3.1
D_V (4): Highroller, KamikazeArchon, Vaimes, zdtsd
zdtsd (2): D_V, tomsloger
Not Voting (5): EtR, Rumanshi, Silvercrys3467, Tubba Fett, vezokpiraka
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
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Smear is a stronger word than I wanted. It seemed like you called out my scumread whilst having your own scumread, and then shortly thereafter called out a different players townread.
I kind of am calling out your scumread. You super hedged in your comment about Vez. I can believe that you are not committing while maintaining my belief that he is scum. Those two things are mutually exclusive.
Your own fault though
Don't you mean 4/6
Fun fact KA and HR will permanently be on me for the rest of the game.
Watchu think about vaimes being on me doe?
How many times did you vote for Vez again? You’re post makes you look just as hedging on Vez, while opening up avenues on other players. I haven’t trusted Vez for most of the game, for reasons I previously mentioned. Either you didn’t read those or they don’t suit your narrative. Your post says “Vez might be scummy, this guy is lying about thinking Vez’s scummy, this other guy is lying about thinking Vez isn’t scummy, but I’m going to quasi vote two entirely different players”
You call me out for hedging, and leave yourself open to move onto FIVE different players.
In your #1483, where you’ve quoted Tom, you say “I also think Rhand flipping Town gives a little credence to Vez being scum”. Would you elaborate on that?
NKs, I can't defend against daykills.
Deal with it.
tomsloger votes Riku, and then Rhand, D_V, and vezokpiraka vote Riku immediately afterward. In less than 2 and a half real-time hours, Riku has 4 votes.
So then tomsloger votes ztdsd. Instantly D_V, vezok, Vaimes, and EtR vote ztdsd. tomsloger unvotes and votes Riku in between all of those, but otherwise it's just one post after another of voting.
I ask the town: is there any way that there's no mafia who's a part of that? I doubt it.
So, first list: tomsloger, Rhand (confirmed town), D_V, vezok
Second list: tomsloger, D_V, vezok, Vaimes, EtR
D_V and vezok are the common denominators here.
It's also noteworthy that D_V ranted and railed yesterday about how bad the Riku bandwagon was, to the point where he was willing to lynch himself instead, was after he himself was on it. I'd forgotten about that.
This is exactly the point I was trying to make when I pointed out that my wagon grew WAY too quickly; there HAS to be at least 1 scum on those wagons, and D_V is the best choice due to having a lot of other reasons for being scum.
Deal with it.
Deal with it.
they can.
Like, good time to bus and good time to capitalize.
But apparently i dont totally understand positioning in this game. Which is a thing i need to work on.
Me either. I'm of the opinion that its because of a lurkish scum team.
Yeah I agree. That's why I'm confused. They just force this blanket statement which is very incorrect. Its a terrible assumption to make.
How many times did I vote for Vez? I dunno, 1 for sure. I've certainly not been silent on who I think has been scummy. How many Scum do you think we have left in the game?
They can, yes, but it doesn't happen normally. Similarly, people who hammer early on D1 can be town. But, it's rare enough that assuming they are scum is generally correct.
But here is the problem: I could see this happening... ONCE.
After the second speedy wagon, that is not a coincidence. It is a pattern.
Deal with it.
What?
Hammering on day one is scummy? What the ****.
What *****ty mafia website do you come from? Cause that's the stupidest claim I've ever seen.
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I would guess that they still are probabally scum. But also that the role is sorta self resolving? IE it should die sooner rather than later on its own and if it doesn't well then lynch it.
I give it 70-30 scum chances right now.
But... I really want to lynch silver too.
Whats everyones feelings on Tubba/ETR?
Also I shouldn't have opposed the Ruma lynch. Worst DV play in 2k19? LOL just a terrible performance from me in general TBH. Still feel like vaimes has to be scum since he has an even worse performance and this game is making his playstation performance look like MVP.