Can people mention how far they read from day start when they make the first post in a day?
We aren't lynching Vaimes today unless someone comes out with a cop guilty on him. He is a claimes ghostbuster and while he might be the scummiest out of all of them I'd rather deal with people like Riku and terry.
Anyway can someone explain the terry case? I've been scum with him and this isn't his scum game.
There is no case on me. People just want to lynch me because I thought Rod was town, but as I pointed out before that when I’m scum I love some bus credit but blah blah self meta. RE’s claim should clear me for now at least, but no one seems to care because I was the townie that scum left alive to mislynch today
I know I said content this morning, but I would like to go back to the beginning of the game and do a fresh deep dive knowing the flips. That should also give me some color on all of the content for today. In order to do that I need to dedicate a couple hours. I plan to do this throughout today/tonight and have something beefy this evening.
My plan is to do up to Day 2 in a chunk and then start fresh with this day 2 stuff.
Can people mention how far they read from day start when they make the first post in a day?
We aren't lynching Vaimes today unless someone comes out with a cop guilty on him. He is a claimes ghostbuster and while he might be the scummiest out of all of them I'd rather deal with people like Riku and terry.
Anyway can someone explain the terry case? I've been scum with him and this isn't his scum game.
There is no case on me. People just want to lynch me because I thought Rod was town, but as I pointed out before that when I’m scum I love some bus credit but blah blah self meta. RE’s claim should clear me for now at least, but no one seems to care because I was the townie that scum left alive to mislynch today
Its also bizarre to me since Terry was one of the few anti-rodemy pushes.
Everyone else was on Rodemy, so the obvious conclusion is that he got bussed hard. Yet instead of looking at that group we are looking at the sole dissenter.
Rodemy (9): Highroller, vezok, Kami, Fuwa, Ruma, Tubba, tom, Grape, Vaimes
elijah (1): RE
Fuwa (2): EtR, elijah
Kami (2): Rhand, joe
tom (1): togs
Not Voting (1): Rod
As a starting point
Start with possible bussers:
Kami is neutral>town>scum so lets just make him green. Which is satisfyingly appropriate
Currently leaning town on vez/vaimes for claims/stuff so same
And the remainder im at fuwa>ruma>tubba Rodemy (9): Highroller, vezok, Kami, Fuwa, Ruma, Tubba, tom, Grape, Vaimes
Offwagon next:
DV im going strictly gray here. Don't feel like i have the info to evaluate the claim.
Joe acticely felt like rods buddy at eod.
Don't like RE today, zero impact at eod.
Rhand might be ok?
DVlijah (1): RE
Fuwa (2): EtR, DVlijah
Kami (2): Rhand, joe
Barring a 3 man scumteam, theres 1 or more in each grouping most of the time...
Its also bizarre to me since Terry was one of the few anti-rodemy pushes.
Everyone else was on Rodemy, so the obvious conclusion is that he got bussed hard. Yet instead of looking at that group we are looking at the sole dissenter.
Yeah im happy with any combination of joe/re/fuwa/ruma for ghostbust/wagons/lynch/etc. Think thats easily the two most likely in either grouping
Im, uh, realizing as im typing this that this is mtgs ive been playing a 48/24 all week and its messing with my timing but whatever this is where im at rn.
Its also bizarre to me since Terry was one of the few anti-rodemy pushes.
Everyone else was on Rodemy, so the obvious conclusion is that he got bussed hard. Yet instead of looking at that group we are looking at the sole dissenter.
pro rod was etr/rhand/joe that i recall.
I went back and forth. I thought he was scum on my first read, got cold feet on the read because what Terry said made sense and went back to scumreading him when you pointed out that he wasn’t even voting. I would’ve been on the wagon if it wasn’t hammered.
@D_V
You may have already addressed this, but can you re-iterate what your powers are and if you know what is voting for the Gozer form meant? Would Elijah have known what he was voting for?
Subcreatures! Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, the Traveler, has come! Choose!
Until the end of Day 1, in addition to the normal vote, each player may vote (and unvote) to choose the form of Gozer: • Gozer the Traveler
• Gozer the Destructor
• Gozer the Gozerian
Rod: wut
Vaimes: What did you do, Rod.
Vaimes: I don’t suppose there’s a direct flavor translation for the least-bad option here? Because I’m assuming this is bad.
Kami: I believe Gozer uses the Destructor form to end worlds - the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man was its chosen "destructor form" for Earth. Traveller vs. Gozerian has no distinction I can think of.
Vaimes: Traveller sounds pretty mild.
Vote Gozer the Traveller
RE: Well **** I think I need to watch that movie
Rod: Huh?
I did nothing whatsoever.
When someone asks if I’m a god, I say yes!
vote gozer the traveller
Tom: First of all that's just 3 names for the same demon
Second of all everyone think about something really harmless
Vez: Gozer the Gozerian sounds wild. I want to try that.
Also Gozer is pretty close to "gaozar" as a pronunciation which is an insult in Romanian. I think the insult is supposed to be used to call someone gay as "gaura" means hole and usually refers to the anus, with "gaozar" being something like the man who does ********s, but it's mostly used in a playful manner and never when you want to seriously insult someone so yeah, the name is funny for me.
vote Gozer the Gozerian
Tom: vote gozer the destructor
Etr: I think I will be abstaining from Gozier voting until I have a better understanding of it is pro-town.
Highroller: Regarding Gozer:
A. Those are three names for the same creature.
B. Gozer the Traveler does NOT sound mild [youtube monologue]
C. What happens if we get a three-way tie?
Vaimes: I’d say odds of the mod randomizing the doomsday thing in the case of a tie or abstained votes is pretty high. He’s not just gonna let a mechanic like that go to waste.
Tubba: I think Gozer the Gozerian sounds the tamest. Like he's just a guy from Gozeropolis, carrying out their day.
Vote Gozer the Gozerian
Elijah: just read up to ghost vote thingy
vote gozer the gozerian
Assumes its bad: vaimes, tubba, highroller
Neutral reactions/undecided/flavor/romanian slang: rod/tom/etr/kami/re/vez/elijah(lol)
If anyone is trying to act like they don't know it's rod and dvlijah. Obviously NAI from the latter hed want to distance from the claim regardless i think... rodemy reaction prolly a -1 on the dv scoreboard but not a major one.
If dv is scum other buddies could just assume its bad (kinda slippy if true but not individually AI) or distance from it like rod or just talk about it NAI like the biggest group.
Not much to be learned here really even rod distancing from it could see him doing intentionally if he didnt know what it was either though would maybe exoect some doubcasting it
I guess darken dvs gray like a single percentage point though i dont know the bbcode for that lol
If anyone wants to add reactions of the folk that weren't around at the time, i only went like a page and a half for immediate reactions, but it wasnt that interesting
With Rodemy’s fake claim, I think we should test our Ghost Buster claims to see if all of them really have that claimed ability. And with Highroller being obv!town, tom and Vaimes should take the shot toDay.
Or Highroller and Vaimes maybe because we know tom knows how the role works.
Vaimes early interaction with Rod seems pretty not scum
Ruma's super early town read on Tom and Rod is suspect
Highroller's claim, call to mass claim and immediate implication of a SK all are scummy, but I'm not convinced its scummy coming from him
Ruma's response to heat feels faked early on
RE's response to Ruma's play feels pure
Kami feels disconnected by asking question after question and not making real investigative comments
Highroller's insistence on flavor gaming actually feels a bit scummy even coming from him
Rod's push on Highroller for being a SK also indicates that Highroller is town
Vezo's early bread crumb lines up
I like EtR's push on Kami
Elijah seems a bit scum-lurky
Tubba is starting to catch my eye. His posts feel faked.
Grape catches this just shortly after I did (during this re-read)
Vezo seems to think Gozer originated with Highroller, but we now know it's DV
I liked that Tom voted for destroyer because he wanted kills early. It seems to me that scum has more to loose by a random kill which is how he appears to have perceived it
FUWA's catch up post and vote on me was absolute poodoo
Kami talks about the risks of flavor gaming but flavor games on Vezo "Hold up. Highroller claimed a ghostbuster. You voted him for being a serial killer. This does not make sense. ", seems like a scum push, yep a few posts later he pushes Vezo. I think this is a scum counter wagon attempt to save Rod.
Grape seems to bite on that a bit too quickly
Vaimes stays pretty tight on the Rod vote, doesn't wiggle out
Fuwa's #442 is clearly wish washy scum wanting to vote Rod after he townread him earlier
Rhand comes in hot on Rod. I like it
I like Rhand's Kami scum read too
Elijah asks for a CFD
Tubba's posting improves pretty dramatically towards the end of day 1
I think Fuwa and Kami bussed rod
Ok, that's my Day 1 SOC. I have to go drink beers. I'll do my Day 2 and conclusions tonight.
Rod's initial RVS vote was on Tom - Pretty Null, but I think Scum typically vote town in the RVS stage. Anyone know any stats on this?
#35 - Rod claims town vibes from Tom.
Also tom standing up for Rumi doesn't feel like a scum move seeing as if they were scum together that puts them together in the beginning and i don't think tom is that careless.
if rumi were town and tom were scum, I think he'd be pushing for a lynch here.
If tom is town and Rumi is scum, then it's null and void but hey, 2 out of 3 point to a town tom.
I'm of the mind that Tom is town, but Rod is really pushing this. Must watch.
That's a lot of votes on Highroller just for proposing claiming. Don't think it indicates alignment here; Highroller was town in Banned Mafia and was pushing hard for a massclaim there.
@Rodemy: The town win condition is public knowledge, see #4. Also, if you are assuming this is actually part of Highroller's PM, doesn't that mean you believe him town?
I dislike this Rodemy interaction. Feels like coaching.
I'm going to key you in of my thoughts thus far. I like highroller and think he is town. Based on my role his idea isn't bad. At least a mass name claim would make sense even if we don't go for the full role claim.
... is there something i don't know? Why just the names?
Vez get's town points. If this were scum/scum they would have just talked this minute point out in their chat.
Highroller has to be town or is Super Duper bussing Rod based on this PM thing. I thought it was just a derp but he pushed it all day.
Was Grapefruit killed for his reads?
Rod - Scum
Ruma - Scum
Atog - Scum
Rhand - Got Heeby Jeebies
EtR - lean Town
Elijah - Town
RE - Lena Town
Tom - Anti-town but not scum? #428/ Scum #471
Highroller - Null
RE - lean scum? based on #198-201 interactions
Vaimes - lean town #301 - Vote gave him bad vibes
Vez - Scum
FUWA - Scum
Vez is the third vote on Rod. And then promptly unvotes:
I went back and looked and it kinda does make sense.
unvote
This seems too Rodemy and not that scum. In my last post I remembered wrongly that the posts where one and not separate, but with them being separate Rodemy's explanation makes sense.
FUWA's #149 feels icky.
Rod votes Tom again in #232 - I don't think Tom is scum guys.
Rod trying to deflect back to Highroller as the SK in post #346. Doesn't clear Highroller but I believe it means they aren't the same alignment. He also continues to push Tom in this post. I don't think Rod would be bussing so close to the beginning of the game. Tom is town.
Because destructor sounds killy which I'm in favor of early on. Even if it leads to a mafia controlled kill, better now than later
I am not in favor of potentially giving mafia an extra kill. We don't know that the other options will have to be selected. I'm assuming this is a mafia ability until proven otherwise.
Also I've got a crazy theory I can't wait to talk about till tomorrow.
Reviewed rodemy. Still going to ignore the role-pm thing on principle. There's nothing particularly actively bad in the rest of his posts, but there is something missing. When playing with town!Rodemy before, he felt very aggressive. I don't see that here.
Vezok is also on rodemy. That's interesting. It means I am happy to focus on those two today, as a flip on either will give us interaction analysis on the other.
Discussion of Rodemy's early actions is actively harmful. I dislike it on principle because it is rooted in questions about the rules, as opposed to actions. Further, at this point it's a smokescreen. We have perfectly good reasons to vote Rodemy without paying any attention to those actions. I think scum is using this as an excuse to deflect away from Rodemy.
Decided to do a top of head town/scum list with no research. I'm not happy with it but it's where I'm at. Too many leans each way. Too much gut.
Town
Grapefruit21
So after that Day 1 Re-read my thoughts:
Caught in the Containment Unit (Alive):
1. D_V (repl. elijah) - I didn't like Elijah, but there wasn't a lot of interactions with any dead players.
2. EtR - Hella Townie even though he defended Rod
3. Fuwa - Scum. I feel that was a very awkward Bus on Rod towards the end.
4. Highroller - Town - Main pusher of Rod wagon from the beginning
5. KamikazeArchon - See "FUWA" above
6. RE1031 - Nullish
7. Rhand (repl. rezombied) - Somewhat Null
8. Rumanshi - Scum based off interactions
9. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - Null of interactions.
10. tomsloger - Town
11. Tubba Fett - Null/lean town
12. Vaimes - Null/lean town
13. vezokpiraka - Scum based off interactions
Without reading any of day 2 in depth I feel like Kami is the right place to start. Vote KamikaziArchon
@D_V
You may have already addressed this, but can you re-iterate what your powers are and if you know what is voting for the Gozer form meant? Would Elijah have known what he was voting for?
Anti-Janitor Esk ability - IE reveal exact roles will happen at EOD
RB
Busdriver
All one shots.
Yes my role knew what each was before they were voted on.
Can we add EtR to the lynch list? His new post is trying to push Kami as scum, but he doesn't know or realise that Kami is probably neutral. He just seems like scum trying to latch to something.
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I know this is wine, but literally, how does anyone with functioning eyeballs think I can be scum with Rod and not bus him into oblivion after he scumslipped on page one (a fact that I would, uh, definitely be hyper aware of if I were on his team.)
Thanks for calling me hunky, Tubba.
DV, you made one point about the Ghostbusters, and it’s modgaming. You don’t think the mod would expect us to lynch any of the Ghostbusters because “one of them might be scum”?
That's not a defense and is in fact WIFOM. I don't like the self-brought WIFOM.
Can we add EtR to the lynch list? His new post is trying to push Kami as scum, but he doesn't know or realise that Kami is probably neutral. He just seems like scum trying to latch to something.
Even after reading the day 2 stuff I still think Kami is scum. He's a delayer. That's a scum role. And if you think I'm scum, why don't you put a case together. I'll wait.
I am Dean Yeager, Town Vanilla. I breadcrumbed it here:
"Cantrip's recent post drew my eye for a couple reasons. Among them it looks like, of the active players, myself, Highroller, RE1031, and Rumanshi aren't voting for any Gozer form. I've stated my reason previously, but I'ld like to understand why the other three aren't voting.
Also Rumanshi and TRSJT don't have a vote on a player. Is there anyone that you are currently looking at?"
The post I was referring to had a quote from Dean Yeager in it. It was one of the "reasons" that it drew my eye.
Regarding claims: Once again, I put forth that Rodemy's claim was not of his own choosing, but of the mod giving him a fake claim. In which case, the claims of vanilla towns in terms of identity cannot be said to clear them.
However, and this is important, this does not mean flavor is to be ignored. Precisely the opposite: if Rodemy saw the need to lie about his role, and especially if the mod saw the need to give people fake claims, then flavor is absolutely a factor and should be scrutinized.
Just because I think he isn't scum doesn't mean I'm right. There's a lot of people who think he is scum and I'm not too convinced he isn't. Terry also has a ton of interaction with people so his flip would help build associatives.
What I'm trying to say in the previous post is that Vaimes shouldn't be an option for today while terry, who I think is more town than scum, is a viable lynch for today.
With Rodemy’s fake claim, I think we should test our Ghost Buster claims to see if all of them really have that claimed ability. And with Highroller being obv!town, tom and Vaimes should take the shot toDay.
Or Highroller and Vaimes maybe because we know tom knows how the role works.
I've already explained how the role works, but whichever.
Are you signing on for us taking out Terry, Rhand?
Sorry, got home too late tonight. Part two tomorrow. But yeah... um delayer? Is that a slip?
How is that a slip?
The way I see it EtR knew who is the delayer because he's in the same scumteam and thought that KA had calimed delayer. It's a serious slip because the only mention of a delayer was from DV who said that his ability was delayed.
If EtR flips scum we confirm DV as town (well more so that when his ability goes off; scum will never have a role revealer that is only -EV for them)
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I just went back and reread it and for some reason I thought it was DV that said he got knocked down. That is what I was taking as delayer flavor. I do find it interesting that Vez is jumping all over me when he is the one who said that he doesn't believe Slimer to be town, but whatevs.
Unvote: Kami I still don't think we should be keeping a suspected third party alive, but we should resolve that with the ghostbuster shot or night actions.
I just went back and reread it and for some reason I thought it was DV that said he got knocked down. That is what I was taking as delayer flavor. I do find it interesting that Vez is jumping all over me when he is the one who said that he doesn't believe Slimer to be town, but whatevs.
Unvote: Kami I still don't think we should be keeping a suspected third party alive, but we should resolve that with the ghostbuster shot or night actions.
This is mafia being sad they can't lynch the third party.
Having a player that tracks the entire game at night is ******* insane. I don't even care if he is like a demon in mtg that needs sacrifices to be kept alive. Scum simply can't nightkill anyone any more because of the fear of getting tracked. Hell they can barely use their abilities. And on top of that KA is also untargetable so the scum can't even remove him by a nightkill.
We're probably going to have to kill KA tomorrow as his win condition is probably something about a number of players getting slimed or a percentage of players alive getting slimed. I'm not sure if KA can win with the town seeing as he didn't claim his real win con so he might be considered a threat, but that's talk for tomorrow.
vote etr
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Also we have 4 tracks for tomorrow: me, KA and whoever we both target. I want to suggest that we split the playerlist in half or something like that so we don't hit the same person.
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There is 0% chance that a game got approved where the mafia effectively cannot do anything by NIGHT 2. And they can't even remove the threat? That is the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard. We do not have the whole truth here. And yet you're pushing me. K.
Yeah, I mulled over it and think that Rodemy made a scum derp and not a Rodemy derp.
vote rodemy
To me it feels like he kinda got mad that someone quoted the town win con and became confirmed town in his eyes so he tried to throw shade not realising the wincon is in the first post.
I went back and looked and it kinda does make sense.
unvote
This seems too Rodemy and not that scum. In my last post I remembered wrongly that the posts where one and not separate, but with them being separate Rodemy's explanation makes sense.
5 hours later from the time of mulling it over he removes his vote. He went from Rodemy made a scum derp to it being too Rodemy.
Geeze, after the reread the only person that kind of worries me is vaimes. His vote on Tom just felt wrong.
I agree with that vote feeling wrong.
And you managed to get Tom to give some thoughts on Vaimes so I'm impressed.
@Vez Rod is my top scum read with a bullet. I don't have a strong second one at this point. 36 hours ago I would have said tom but I'm not feeling that now.
Who do you feel has been non fluffy and committed to reads at this stage?
Every time I read your posts it just seems like you are leaving yourself an out for every single thing you are saying.
Just in this post, the first phrase is mostly non-committal ("feels wrong" instead of "is wrong" or something harder). Even when answering my question, you gave me one scum read and one wishy-washy one.
I could take some other posts to exemplify, but I feel it would be a waste of time.
Now that we know that Grape is confirmed town, this post demonstrates Vez's desire to paint Grape's as wishy-washy, which doesn't look good in retrospect. Also with full knowledge, Grape gave a committed scum read of an actual scum. Lastly, I could take time to do something but I won't is not a good look.
I've been thinking about Gozer and I think highroller might be related to him.
I think it's pretty obvious that we are voting for some ability that Gozer will have. We don't know what it is so it's mostly blind guessing. I'm pretty sure all abilities are of similar powerlevel so it doesn't really matter what we vote for.
Highroller insists on having a three way tie. I don't know how you'd solve a three-way tie, but I would solve it by giving the character all three abilities. The other possibility is giving no abilities, but that's almost bastard. Highroller's insistence on getting the three way tie makes me think he is allied with Gozer.
I think that's where I want to go today.
vote highroller
Reasoning and justification is fine here even though I don't agree with the vote. Until we look a little deeper. At 3:49 AM on 12/2, we have this:
Man that's almost exactly where I'm at, except rezombied is neutral.
How does he have Highroller as a top town read and vote him at 2:28PM on the same day? What changed? My guess is trying to divert from Rod who had just jumped off of.
I assume Gozer is a bad thing, because the claims we have until now seem to point to the fact that ghostbusters are the good guys and the ghosts are the bad guys. Of course there might be some curveballs, but I operate under this assumption.
I said that I think that this grants an ability to a player as I assumed Gozer is a player in the game, but now that someone pointed it out I guess it could be a global effect, but I assume it's still going to be bad. I don't really see what else it could be outside of mafia/sk gaining an ability or a passive debuff.
Anyway highroller makes a great point about terry. I also think my theory was dumb and highroller's response has been nothing, but +town.
unvote
No traction was made on the highroller = scum point and he jumps off.
I assume Gozer is a bad thing, because the claims we have until now seem to point to the fact that ghostbusters are the good guys and the ghosts are the bad guys. Of course there might be some curveballs, but I operate under this assumption.
Hold up. Highroller claimed a ghostbuster. You voted him for being a serial killer. This does not make sense.
Highroller claimed a ghostbuster and my entire case was based on the fact that highroller is Gozer or aligned with Gozer. I hope you can put 2 and 2 together and realise that fakeclaims exist in games like this one.
That still doesn't make sense. A fake claim of one of the four core ghostbusters? It is extremely improbable that the four are not in the game, so lying about being one would instantly open up a CC.
Further, you specifically said the claims we have point to ghostbusters = good, ghosts = bad. The only name claims so far are from yourself and Highroller, and Highroller is the only ghostbuster there. We don't have any actual role claims yet. So if you thought Highroller was faking, then what claims were you talking about?
Why are you trying to misrep my words so bad?
Firstly, the mod can provide fakeclaims that are CC proof. I do not put it past Cantrip to give the main character as a fakeclaim to a SK or a mafia.
I specifically talked about ghosts being bad and humans being good after I said I don't believe my theory any more so it was coming from the mindset that I believe highroller's claim.
And the theory about highroller was my drunken mind posting what it came up with right before falling asleep. I wasn't wholly invested into it since the start, but wanted to do something today.
Claims to have not been invested in the theory but voted nonetheless.
I have news. I am the gatekeeper and not scum. I have an ability that I can use at night to search for the keymaster and I gain a QT with him. That's why I was asking for a flavor claim.
It's not confirmed if that person is town although I'm leaning that way. I think the mafia are the demons who possesed us. That's why I was pretty sure Gozer was mafia based.
I have another passive watcher ability and I found the third party last night. It's the green ghost from the beginning. I got slimed last night, but the mod didn't tell me who targetted me so he might be a ninja or the mod just forgot to tell me. I already asked and I will confirm when Cantrip responds.
The fact that I got slimed instead of killed makes me think the third party might not be anti-town and more like a true neutral so we should hunt mafia first.
Highroller is almost confirmed town. Tom is still tom. I can confirm he is not the keymaster.
Vaimes is probably going to die today, but I suggest we vig kill someone else and then lynch him cause he doesn't have that many associatives.
QT's QT's everywhere. If I'm understanding Rod's role (from Mafia Universe Wiki) the Architect is a chat creator. That would give us two roles that create QTs?
I don't know what to make of DV. It's a bit on the nose. I supposed Gozer could be town, but I kinda doubt it.
I really need to reread this game to make sense of the craziness.
@highroller: You are kinda refusing to acknowledge the fact that your flavor gaming is not incredible. You should focus on associatives more than flavor if you really want someone to sheep you.
I don't think that DV is scum. The Gozer thing is just weird and I decided that I will ignore it and just read that slot from the posts.
Elijah didn't seem like scum to me and DV even less so. I think the slot needs to be solved before LyLo, but we've got one scum so we can afford to just go after scummy people and decide flavour gaming later.
Can we add EtR to the lynch list? His new post is trying to push Kami as scum, but he doesn't know or realise that Kami is probably neutral. He just seems like scum trying to latch to something.
If I didn't know or realize that Kami was neutral what would I be latching on to?
Sorry, got home too late tonight. Part two tomorrow. But yeah... um delayer? Is that a slip?
How is that a slip?
The way I see it EtR knew who is the delayer because he's in the same scumteam and thought that KA had calimed delayer. It's a serious slip because the only mention of a delayer was from DV who said that his ability was delayed.
If EtR flips scum we confirm DV as town (well more so that when his ability goes off; scum will never have a role revealer that is only -EV for them)
So you are claiming that I 1) know who the delayer is and 2) think KA claimed delayer? If I knew who the delayer was what would KA have to do with anything? Unless you are claiming that I know KA is a delayer and scum and on my team... Is that what you're saying? Because you yourself have claimed to confirm him as a third party.
You are the one looking to latch on to something and that is demonstrable in these posts.
Its also bizarre to me since Terry was one of the few anti-rodemy pushes.
Everyone else was on Rodemy, so the obvious conclusion is that he got bussed hard. Yet instead of looking at that group we are looking at the sole dissenter.
This doesn't make sense. The number of people on Rod was 9, exactly enough to lynch him - the same as in every mafia game. I'm sure he got bussed, simply because mafia always gets bussed, especially Day 1 - but it's not correct that Terry was "the sole dissenter".
Terry's #970 is misrepresentation and projection:
Kami talks about the risks of flavor gaming but flavor games on Vezo "Hold up. Highroller claimed a ghostbuster. You voted him for being a serial killer. This does not make sense. ", seems like a scum push, yep a few posts later he pushes Vezo. I think this is a scum counter wagon attempt to save Rod.
This quote removes the context, where I'm specifically replying to vezok flavorgaming, and pointing out an inconsistency in his logic:
I assume Gozer is a bad thing, because the claims we have until now seem to point to the fact that ghostbusters are the good guys and the ghosts are the bad guys. Of course there might be some curveballs, but I operate under this assumption.
Hold up. Highroller claimed a ghostbuster. You voted him for being a serial killer. This does not make sense.
And then he accuses me of a "counter wagon to save Rod", which is exactly what I think Terry was doing at the end of Day 1.
Then there's this line:
Grape seems to bite on that a bit too quickly
which seems to be shading Grape, but we know Grape is town.
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And that I needed to recheck Riku’s vote on Rod, which I haven’t done yet.
I did give a couple of reasons why I personally think we should flip JT.
I dunno what Fuwa has on me but that could be Interesting.
RE is not counter claiming me.
My plan is to do up to Day 2 in a chunk and then start fresh with this day 2 stuff.
Everyone else was on Rodemy, so the obvious conclusion is that he got bussed hard. Yet instead of looking at that group we are looking at the sole dissenter.
Start with possible bussers:
Kami is neutral>town>scum so lets just make him green. Which is satisfyingly appropriate
Currently leaning town on vez/vaimes for claims/stuff so same
And the remainder im at fuwa>ruma>tubba
Rodemy(9): Highroller, vezok, Kami, Fuwa, Ruma, Tubba, tom,Grape, VaimesOffwagon next:
DV im going strictly gray here. Don't feel like i have the info to evaluate the claim.
Joe acticely felt like rods buddy at eod.
Don't like RE today, zero impact at eod.
Rhand might be ok?
DVlijah (1): RE
Fuwa (2): EtR, DVlijah
Kami (2): Rhand, joe
Barring a 3 man scumteam, theres 1 or more in each grouping most of the time...
Im, uh, realizing as im typing this that this is mtgs ive been playing a 48/24 all week and its messing with my timing but whatever this is where im at rn.
I went back and forth. I thought he was scum on my first read, got cold feet on the read because what Terry said made sense and went back to scumreading him when you pointed out that he wasn’t even voting. I would’ve been on the wagon if it wasn’t hammered.
You may have already addressed this, but can you re-iterate what your powers are and if you know what is voting for the Gozer form meant? Would Elijah have known what he was voting for?
Vezok - danagourney weaver
Rhand - rick moranis
Dv - gozer
Kami - green ghost thing
Rod - architect dude
Is what i remember
Rod: wut
Vaimes: What did you do, Rod.
Vaimes: I don’t suppose there’s a direct flavor translation for the least-bad option here? Because I’m assuming this is bad.
Kami: I believe Gozer uses the Destructor form to end worlds - the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man was its chosen "destructor form" for Earth. Traveller vs. Gozerian has no distinction I can think of.
Vaimes: Traveller sounds pretty mild.
Vote Gozer the Traveller
RE: Well **** I think I need to watch that movie
Rod: Huh?
I did nothing whatsoever.
When someone asks if I’m a god, I say yes!
vote gozer the traveller
Tom: First of all that's just 3 names for the same demon
Second of all everyone think about something really harmless
Vez: Gozer the Gozerian sounds wild. I want to try that.
Also Gozer is pretty close to "gaozar" as a pronunciation which is an insult in Romanian. I think the insult is supposed to be used to call someone gay as "gaura" means hole and usually refers to the anus, with "gaozar" being something like the man who does ********s, but it's mostly used in a playful manner and never when you want to seriously insult someone so yeah, the name is funny for me.
vote Gozer the Gozerian
Tom: vote gozer the destructor
Etr: I think I will be abstaining from Gozier voting until I have a better understanding of it is pro-town.
Highroller: Regarding Gozer:
A. Those are three names for the same creature.
B. Gozer the Traveler does NOT sound mild [youtube monologue]
C. What happens if we get a three-way tie?
Vaimes: I’d say odds of the mod randomizing the doomsday thing in the case of a tie or abstained votes is pretty high. He’s not just gonna let a mechanic like that go to waste.
Tubba: I think Gozer the Gozerian sounds the tamest. Like he's just a guy from Gozeropolis, carrying out their day.
Vote Gozer the Gozerian
Elijah: just read up to ghost vote thingy
vote gozer the gozerian
Assumes its bad: vaimes, tubba, highroller
Neutral reactions/undecided/flavor/romanian slang: rod/tom/etr/kami/re/vez/elijah(lol)
If anyone is trying to act like they don't know it's rod and dvlijah. Obviously NAI from the latter hed want to distance from the claim regardless i think... rodemy reaction prolly a -1 on the dv scoreboard but not a major one.
If dv is scum other buddies could just assume its bad (kinda slippy if true but not individually AI) or distance from it like rod or just talk about it NAI like the biggest group.
Not much to be learned here really even rod distancing from it could see him doing intentionally if he didnt know what it was either though would maybe exoect some doubcasting it
I guess darken dvs gray like a single percentage point though i dont know the bbcode for that lol
This post was a waste of time posting it anyway
My role name is wrong though. I am Louis Tulley.
Or Highroller and Vaimes maybe because we know tom knows how the role works.
From honey i shrunk the kids
Fair enough though lol
Vaimes early interaction with Rod seems pretty not scum
Ruma's super early town read on Tom and Rod is suspect
Highroller's claim, call to mass claim and immediate implication of a SK all are scummy, but I'm not convinced its scummy coming from him
Ruma's response to heat feels faked early on
RE's response to Ruma's play feels pure
Kami feels disconnected by asking question after question and not making real investigative comments
Highroller's insistence on flavor gaming actually feels a bit scummy even coming from him
Rod's push on Highroller for being a SK also indicates that Highroller is town
Vezo's early bread crumb lines up
I like EtR's push on Kami
Elijah seems a bit scum-lurky
Tubba is starting to catch my eye. His posts feel faked.
Grape catches this just shortly after I did (during this re-read)
Vezo seems to think Gozer originated with Highroller, but we now know it's DV
I liked that Tom voted for destroyer because he wanted kills early. It seems to me that scum has more to loose by a random kill which is how he appears to have perceived it
FUWA's catch up post and vote on me was absolute poodoo
Kami talks about the risks of flavor gaming but flavor games on Vezo "Hold up. Highroller claimed a ghostbuster. You voted him for being a serial killer. This does not make sense. ", seems like a scum push, yep a few posts later he pushes Vezo. I think this is a scum counter wagon attempt to save Rod.
Grape seems to bite on that a bit too quickly
Vaimes stays pretty tight on the Rod vote, doesn't wiggle out
Fuwa's #442 is clearly wish washy scum wanting to vote Rod after he townread him earlier
Rhand comes in hot on Rod. I like it
I like Rhand's Kami scum read too
Elijah asks for a CFD
Tubba's posting improves pretty dramatically towards the end of day 1
I think Fuwa and Kami bussed rod
Ok, that's my Day 1 SOC. I have to go drink beers. I'll do my Day 2 and conclusions tonight.
#35 - Rod claims town vibes from Tom.
I'm of the mind that Tom is town, but Rod is really pushing this. Must watch.
Kami RVS votes known town Atog. Again, pretty null, but... I already had scum vibes from Kami early in day 1 and this adds to it.
Still don't like this line.
I dislike this Rodemy interaction. Feels like coaching.
Vez get's town points. If this were scum/scum they would have just talked this minute point out in their chat.
Highroller has to be town or is Super Duper bussing Rod based on this PM thing. I thought it was just a derp but he pushed it all day.
Was Grapefruit killed for his reads?
Rod - Scum
Ruma - Scum
Atog - Scum
Rhand - Got Heeby Jeebies
EtR - lean Town
Elijah - Town
RE - Lena Town
Tom - Anti-town but not scum? #428/ Scum #471
Highroller - Null
RE - lean scum? based on #198-201 interactions
Vaimes - lean town #301 - Vote gave him bad vibes
Vez - Scum
FUWA - Scum
Vez is the third vote on Rod. And then promptly unvotes:
FUWA's #149 feels icky.
Rod votes Tom again in #232 - I don't think Tom is scum guys.
Rod trying to deflect back to Highroller as the SK in post #346. Doesn't clear Highroller but I believe it means they aren't the same alignment. He also continues to push Tom in this post. I don't think Rod would be bussing so close to the beginning of the game. Tom is town.
Is this why he's dead?
Ew
Vez is super flip floppy on Rod. This feels like he knows the tide is turning.
#453 - Highroller thinks FUWA could be scum if Rod flips Mafia... So, let's go?
Bold added by me. This is a bus.
This is the opposite of what Kami just said.
Oh - here's the full list:
Conclusions in a moment.
Caught in the Containment Unit (Alive):
1. D_V (repl. elijah) - I didn't like Elijah, but there wasn't a lot of interactions with any dead players.
2. EtR - Hella Townie even though he defended Rod
3. Fuwa - Scum. I feel that was a very awkward Bus on Rod towards the end.
4. Highroller - Town - Main pusher of Rod wagon from the beginning
5. KamikazeArchon - See "FUWA" above
6. RE1031 - Nullish
7. Rhand (repl. rezombied) - Somewhat Null
8. Rumanshi - Scum based off interactions
9. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - Null of interactions.
10. tomsloger - Town
11. Tubba Fett - Null/lean town
12. Vaimes - Null/lean town
13. vezokpiraka - Scum based off interactions
Without reading any of day 2 in depth I feel like Kami is the right place to start.
Vote KamikaziArchon
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Anti-Janitor Esk ability - IE reveal exact roles will happen at EOD
RB
Busdriver
All one shots.
Yes my role knew what each was before they were voted on.
So
Anti Janitor
Busdriver (Night 2)
RB (Night 3)
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Break it down for me?
Why are we voting Vaimes?
That's not a defense and is in fact WIFOM. I don't like the self-brought WIFOM.
Based on what? B/c if it's flavor, I'm not getting behind that.
I do.
Even after reading the day 2 stuff I still think Kami is scum. He's a delayer. That's a scum role. And if you think I'm scum, why don't you put a case together. I'll wait.
I am Dean Yeager, Town Vanilla. I breadcrumbed it here:
"Cantrip's recent post drew my eye for a couple reasons. Among them it looks like, of the active players, myself, Highroller, RE1031, and Rumanshi aren't voting for any Gozer form. I've stated my reason previously, but I'ld like to understand why the other three aren't voting.
Also Rumanshi and TRSJT don't have a vote on a player. Is there anyone that you are currently looking at?"
The post I was referring to had a quote from Dean Yeager in it. It was one of the "reasons" that it drew my eye.
I haven't had good internet for a while either, but meh.
However, and this is important, this does not mean flavor is to be ignored. Precisely the opposite: if Rodemy saw the need to lie about his role, and especially if the mod saw the need to give people fake claims, then flavor is absolutely a factor and should be scrutinized.
So that's six for Terry.
I've already explained how the role works, but whichever.
Are you signing on for us taking out Terry, Rhand?
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People I know (Or think I know can't have delayed me)
KA, Vez, The three ghost busters(Tom, Vaimes, HR)
Rhand too probs.
ETR claims vanilla.
Someone else claimed vanilla too I think but I can't find it.
I don't know if I believe ETR. But I'm almost certain I believe everyone else on that list.
How is that a slip?
The way I see it EtR knew who is the delayer because he's in the same scumteam and thought that KA had calimed delayer. It's a serious slip because the only mention of a delayer was from DV who said that his ability was delayed.
If EtR flips scum we confirm DV as town (well more so that when his ability goes off; scum will never have a role revealer that is only -EV for them)
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Unvote: Kami I still don't think we should be keeping a suspected third party alive, but we should resolve that with the ghostbuster shot or night actions.
This is mafia being sad they can't lynch the third party.
Having a player that tracks the entire game at night is ******* insane. I don't even care if he is like a demon in mtg that needs sacrifices to be kept alive. Scum simply can't nightkill anyone any more because of the fear of getting tracked. Hell they can barely use their abilities. And on top of that KA is also untargetable so the scum can't even remove him by a nightkill.
We're probably going to have to kill KA tomorrow as his win condition is probably something about a number of players getting slimed or a percentage of players alive getting slimed. I'm not sure if KA can win with the town seeing as he didn't claim his real win con so he might be considered a threat, but that's talk for tomorrow.
vote etr
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And ETR is town
Scummy language.
5 hours later from the time of mulling it over he removes his vote. He went from Rodemy made a scum derp to it being too Rodemy.
Now that we know that Grape is confirmed town, this post demonstrates Vez's desire to paint Grape's as wishy-washy, which doesn't look good in retrospect. Also with full knowledge, Grape gave a committed scum read of an actual scum. Lastly, I could take time to do something but I won't is not a good look.
Reasoning and justification is fine here even though I don't agree with the vote. Until we look a little deeper. At 3:49 AM on 12/2, we have this:
How does he have Highroller as a top town read and vote him at 2:28PM on the same day? What changed? My guess is trying to divert from Rod who had just jumped off of.
No traction was made on the highroller = scum point and he jumps off.
Claims to have not been invested in the theory but voted nonetheless.
And back on Rod. Rodemy had not been interactive at any point, and yet he called him town earlier when he unvoted. I'll chalk this up to a bus.
QT's QT's everywhere. If I'm understanding Rod's role (from Mafia Universe Wiki) the Architect is a chat creator. That would give us two roles that create QTs?
This post:
Contradicts this post:
If I didn't know or realize that Kami was neutral what would I be latching on to?
So you are claiming that I 1) know who the delayer is and 2) think KA claimed delayer? If I knew who the delayer was what would KA have to do with anything? Unless you are claiming that I know KA is a delayer and scum and on my team... Is that what you're saying? Because you yourself have claimed to confirm him as a third party.
You are the one looking to latch on to something and that is demonstrable in these posts.
Vote: Vez
Terry's #970 is misrepresentation and projection:
This quote removes the context, where I'm specifically replying to vezok flavorgaming, and pointing out an inconsistency in his logic:
And then he accuses me of a "counter wagon to save Rod", which is exactly what I think Terry was doing at the end of Day 1.
Then there's this line:
which seems to be shading Grape, but we know Grape is town.