This feels like a bus to me. FUWA hasn't really commented on Rodemy much, just probing and asking questions about others thoughts on him. My biggest concern is that he "can't see town in Rodemy" but didn't move his vote. Can I get some other thoughts? Am I tunneling?
I mean, I would look into Fuwa should Rodemy flip mafia.
Pick your top scum read and top town read and ISO them. That way we can see what your thoughts are and where your head is at outside of the current discussion.
The entire page 8 of Rodemy's play in Playsatation mafia looks identical to what he is doing here. Even his post where he says gimme something is in that iso.
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Did Rodemy seriously pretend-ragequit and then ask someone to write his posts for him?
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I just realized, what if no one voted with regards to Gozer?
The whole gag was that everyone was supposed to keep their minds blank so as to not choose any form for Gozer, only to have Ray mess it up by thinking of Mr. Stay Puft.
But what if none of us votes? Gozer's form must be chosen.
Reviewed rodemy. Still going to ignore the role-pm thing on principle. There's nothing particularly actively bad in the rest of his posts, but there is something missing. When playing with town!Rodemy before, he felt very aggressive. I don't see that here.
Vezok is also on rodemy. That's interesting. It means I am happy to focus on those two today, as a flip on either will give us interaction analysis on the other.
Missed this. I'm terrible at tone, so I avoid it unless it's proven to be a reliable tell for that player.
Then what do you make of my read on you and its reasoning?
I wouldn't say I'm good at reading tone, but it's something I sort of just try to do instead of any other way to scumhunt. saaa~~~
Your read on me was "awkward". I don't really know what to comment on that. I did fluff (which I enjoy terribly more than actually playing the game but try my best to not do it), and I might have missed Rodemy's response to my question. Or if he posted something that answers it before my post.
As for my thoughts on Rodemy~
Initially I had him in town lean for his early votes. I kinda had this thought that town likes wagon so that's that. His post in #22 feels townish too. Highroller's point on him makes me wonder though. So idk. After reading Highroller's post, I can't see town in Rodemy anymore? Maybe an after effect? haha
This feels like a bus to me. FUWA hasn't really commented on Rodemy much, just probing and asking questions about others thoughts on him. My biggest concern is that he "can't see town in Rodemy" but didn't move his vote. Can I get some other thoughts? Am I tunneling?
I think you are. Why do I have to move votes there?
@Fuwa not to speak for EtR but doing so anyway, because "can't see town in X" reads like a very very strong scum read so not accompanying it with a vote is a strange look.
@highroller
You have very few reads aside from Rodemy. If I recall correctly, maybe one or two more. Tunnel may be the improper term. Also I already brought up that possibility of not voting at all being an option due to movie flavor.
@Fuwa
I don't feel like you are reading the thread? I've explained the reads on high/elijah, and I've explained the read on you. If they are your townreads and that is why you questioned them, I feel like you should have also questioned the read on yourself?
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I'm moderately worried about the level of consensus we have at the moment. But if the scum team is mostly in Rod/Vez/Fuwa/tom/atog then it makes sense.
Also Rumas town credit is completely gone and he should probably be in the above group.
I'm moderately worried about the level of consensus we have at the moment. But if the scum team is mostly in Rod/Vez/Fuwa/tom/atog then it makes sense.
Also Rumas town credit is completely gone and he should probably be in the above group.
why vez?
Would probably clear you/him/highroller with a rodemy scumflip
@highroller
You have very few reads aside from Rodemy. If I recall correctly, maybe one or two more. Tunnel may be the improper term.
Again, a lot of this has been a combination of me being both busy and sick, so I haven't really had the time to comb through the day from the beginning. But frankly, I also don't see the necessity at this juncture. Rodemy is the most suspicious person by far and, as I've already stated, I believe that the whole role PM thing constituted Rodemy outing himself as a non-town. Therefore, unless someone goes ahead and declares themselves mafia or something I see Rodemy as clearly the best lynch. I wouldn't argue that's tunneling so much as it is just a far greater amount of evidence pointing towards a particular suspect.
Obviously if the bandwagon were to shift away from Rodemy and it became clear we'd either be lynching someone else or none at all, I'll be prompted towards such an analysis. But, as of right now, it seems more productive to hold off on that until day two when we have more concrete information in the form of post-mortem alignment reveals. I find that a lot of day one ends up being noise until some alignments get revealed and the information becomes processable.
Also I already brought up that possibility of not voting at all being an option due to movie flavor.
I must have missed that, sorry.
Anyway, I'm of like mind. That seems the most sound option for the town.
I'm moderately worried about the level of consensus we have at the moment. But if the scum team is mostly in Rod/Vez/Fuwa/tom/atog then it makes sense.
Also Rumas town credit is completely gone and he should probably be in the above group.
why vez?
Would probably clear you/him/highroller with a rodemy scumflip
The Vez weirdness around Rods defense of his progression on Highroller just sticks out to me. I talked about it in 419 it just isn't a progression I believe at this stage.
@Rhand thoughts on Gozer since I assume your slot was one of the non-voting slots?
I think Gozer is most likely neutral, probably a survivor-type role. Wouldn't go for the destructor form. Traveler might make him untargetable, which is not a very good idea, so I'm ok with the form that's being voted for now, which is then probably not a kill and not untargetable.
Highroller: Are your reasons for wanting a claim the same as our last game together?
Tom: Is #32 serious? If so, explain.
Grape: What do you mean in #53?
Vaimes: What's the scumteam?
The question to Rumanshi is ok and NAI. Numbering posts is weird.
The question to Highroller is not ok: most of us don’t know what Highroller wanted in their last game together. Town would give a bit of info with this to keep us informed of what is happening.
The question to Tom is good (Tom called Joe town without explanation)
The question to Grape is bad. That post from Grape doesn’t need explaining.
The question to Vaimes is very bad. It’s way too early to ask this.
The problem is that this is all the follow up we get on the question to Tom, and then Kami doesn’t mention it at all anymore:
seriously it's like you've learned nothing about me
Then the big issue I have with Kami arises. Apart from calling Highroller town and a bit of interaction with Tom, he only talks about mechanics and why flavor gaming is bad in his next posts, plus a bit of reactive posts.
Until he goes after Vezok. His explanation for that is not “Vezok is doing X which makes him scum” but “What Vezok does doesn’t make sense”.
His Rodemy vote just recently is OK I guess, but that doesn’t clear him at all.
@Fuwa not to speak for EtR but doing so anyway, because "can't see town in X" reads like a very very strong scum read so not accompanying it with a vote is a strange look.
Ah, that makes sense.
I usually see a post between town-idk-scum.
So just because I don't read posts as town, doesn't mean I'm reading them as scum.
I feel a little detached from the thread. I read everything/caught up but it seems like I'm not getting it. I feel like the Highroller-Rodemy interactions made me like Highroller as town, but it doesn't really help me read Rodemy. And now I see he's a scumread to most. The lack of contesting wagon worries me. (Just realized you said the same thing)
@Fuwa
I don't feel like you are reading the thread? I've explained the reads on high/elijah, and I've explained the read on you. If they are your townreads and that is why you questioned them, I feel like you should have also questioned the read on yourself?
I'm too used to being scumread, maybe.
I thought it made sense, given I think I'm being awkward as well (more like I laughed when I saw the word awkward instead of scum - haha)
Most of it comes from I don't think I can do anything about the read on me at this point. I don't think I have done anything good enough.
@EtR What's your current read on Elijah and Highroller? (and me, maybe.. if you want to do three)
I'm moderately worried about the level of consensus we have at the moment. But if the scum team is mostly in Rod/Vez/Fuwa/tom/atog then it makes sense.
Also Rumas town credit is completely gone and he should probably be in the above group.
The consensus statement strikes a chord with me as well, but it's day one without a lot of side action so it's whatever.
@Rod
Who is pushing you with impure thoughts?
What about Tom's early game made you inclined to town slot him, when its practically a meme for you to always suspect him?
Lastly, is that the extent you're willing to claim? I ask because I believe flavour might hold more importance than a standard game.
FUWA - Re: 468 Based on your statement of not being able to find anything town in him I would anticipate a vote move. To me that's saying he is scummiest of scum.
@Fuwa not to speak for EtR but doing so anyway, because "can't see town in X" reads like a very very strong scum read so not accompanying it with a vote is a strange look.
Just giving you guys a personal update. I’ve got a new computer and I should be able to get more involved once it’s set up. I don’t know, I kind of think Rod is just being rod and is town that scum has decided on giving a push.
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Rhand: I asked Vaimes about the scumteam because he made a comment about the scumteam. More importantly - "this doesn't make sense" is the primary behavioral way to catch scum. Scum set an agenda and then weave a web of lies to support it; inconsistencies in the web are how we detect that.
Terry, if this is town Rod being pushed by scum, who's the scum pushing him?
There's no question that there's scum on the wagon. The question is where it is. Early? Late? Both? Detailed interaction analysis will have to come later.
@Grape: "But if the scum team is mostly in Rod/Vez/Fuwa/tom/atog then it makes sense." Rod, Vez and tom have had interactions so I can understand those. Why are Fuwa and atog on this list?
@KA because they have been lurking and unable to start counter narratives or push other theories. If say Vaimes was Rods buddy I don't think my badgering would ha e pushed him into voting Rod so easily. He wouldn't get bus credit for it and it was so early that he reasonably didn't have to zero in his focus.
Egocentric read time Rhand town reading me is giving me the heebie jeebies. I can't remember him ever town reading me on a D1. And given that tom (who has often been greater than random to town read me D1) is voting me I don't think it's about my play. Nothing about what Rhand has said sticks out and it all seems fine but just the town read itself has me spooked. On that similar note I like tom questioning Rhand about that town read.
@Kami: you’re dodging my main problem with your posts
@Grape: mindmeld is my strongest reason for early townreads.
Have I really never townread you D1?
I'm not actually sure, but I don't remember you doing so. And vividly remember you pushing me several times. Though I know one of them was a scum game.
@Kami: you’re dodging my main problem with your posts
@Grape: mindmeld is my strongest reason for early townreads.
Have I really never townread you D1?
I'm not actually sure, but I don't remember you doing so. And vividly remember you pushing me several times. Though I know one of them was a scum game.
Decided to fact check myself. It's sort of true but not as true as I realized.
Our most recent game together was Arkham Horror (which felt wrong but I didn't see a more recent one). You had an initial town read and that sutained at least through the start of D2. So yeah, I was wrong.
You initially incorrectly town read me in Pirates, before swinging at the EoD to correctly scum read me. And you sort of suspected me in Silence of the Lambs but that had a ton to do with me relentlessly tunneling into you. So yeah my recollection was not accurate and the heebie jeebies revoked.
I see grape is over it but i don't really like rhand "mindmelding" on naked reads with no explanation. But frankly not gonna think about either of them too much before rodemy flip if that's what were doing
Rodscum points at, like, fuwa/Joe maybe?
Rodtown gonna deep dive on his wagon
@Highroller and what does that say about my alignment?
Not sure, to be honest.
Remember how in Banned Mafia it was REALLY obvious you were mafia, and during post-game discussion you attributed that to having two lurker teammates and you having to shoulder the burden of all mafia activity, and so you were trying to do too many things during the day? You come off in this game as someone who took that note of do less and be less conspicuous, but you're still doing the same things you did in that game. That tactic you have of throwing suspicion on someone, but still keeping a way out should you need one, and still keeping your foot in the door to another bandwagon is still present.
The question to Highroller is not ok: most of us don’t know what Highroller wanted in their last game together. Town would give a bit of info with this to keep us informed of what is happening.
I don't see the problem with that.
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So, anyone else want to talk about Gozer? Because we have a plurality right now on Gozerian. Again, I really think the smart play is to not vote any form.
Also, besides Gozer, what else needs to be discussed today?
I'm voting and will continue voting for a gozer form because I don't want destructor to be chosen. I'm worried at no choice or no votes all it will randomize and that leads 1/3 chance of destructor. I am preferring to give whatever ability
@Highroller so would it be accurate to say a low confidence scum lean is roughly where you're at on me? Anyway I don't remember expressing that exact thought in the post game (my intent wasn't that it was their fault but my ego was the problem), but yeah I was definitely trying to do too much there. Anyway the fact that my behavior is otherwise largely the same is why I was so annoyed that everyone zero'd in on me as scum. That's just how I play. Tom called me a hedgelord for a reason.
You mindmelding with grape on stuff other than rodemy?
See, this is called acknowledging an error and addressing it, Rodemy. You might want to take some notes.
I mean, I would look into Fuwa should Rodemy flip mafia.
Welcome to the game, Rhand!
Go after tom and Highroller.
Ttyl
Did Riku seriously think Cantrip was a player? I completely missed that.
Don’t think it really tilts the needle either way, but it’s funny.
I’m just ticked.
unvote
Also I can’t pay attention.
Idfk. Someone give me something
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Votecount 1.5
tomsloger (1): Atogaholic
Rodemy (4): Highroller, Vaimes, vezokpiraka, Rhand
RE1031 (1): Tubba Fett
KamikazeArchon (1): elijah
elijah (1): RE1031
Fuwa (1): EtR
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (1): Fuwa
vezokpiraka (2): KamikazeArchon, Grapefruit21
Grapefruit21 (1): tomsloger
Not Voting (3): Rodemy, Rumanshi, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
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The Form of Gozer
Traveler (3): Vaimes, Rodemy, Fuwa
Gozerian (5): vezokpiraka, Grapefruit21, Tubba Fett, elijah, KamikazeArchon
Destructor (2): tomsloger, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Not Voting (6): Atogaholic, EtR, Highroller, Rhand, RE1031, Rumanshi
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I just realized, what if no one voted with regards to Gozer?
The whole gag was that everyone was supposed to keep their minds blank so as to not choose any form for Gozer, only to have Ray mess it up by thinking of Mr. Stay Puft.
But what if none of us votes? Gozer's form must be chosen.
Vezok is also on rodemy. That's interesting. It means I am happy to focus on those two today, as a flip on either will give us interaction analysis on the other.
unvote
vote Rodemy
Vote: Rod
Ouch T_T
No problem.
@highroller
You have very few reads aside from Rodemy. If I recall correctly, maybe one or two more. Tunnel may be the improper term. Also I already brought up that possibility of not voting at all being an option due to movie flavor.
@Fuwa
I don't feel like you are reading the thread? I've explained the reads on high/elijah, and I've explained the read on you. If they are your townreads and that is why you questioned them, I feel like you should have also questioned the read on yourself?
Also Rumas town credit is completely gone and he should probably be in the above group.
Would probably clear you/him/highroller with a rodemy scumflip
Obviously if the bandwagon were to shift away from Rodemy and it became clear we'd either be lynching someone else or none at all, I'll be prompted towards such an analysis. But, as of right now, it seems more productive to hold off on that until day two when we have more concrete information in the form of post-mortem alignment reveals. I find that a lot of day one ends up being noise until some alignments get revealed and the information becomes processable.
I must have missed that, sorry.
Anyway, I'm of like mind. That seems the most sound option for the town.
The Vez weirdness around Rods defense of his progression on Highroller just sticks out to me. I talked about it in 419 it just isn't a progression I believe at this stage.
Carry on
Yes, this post:
I think Gozer is most likely neutral, probably a survivor-type role. Wouldn't go for the destructor form. Traveler might make him untargetable, which is not a very good idea, so I'm ok with the form that's being voted for now, which is then probably not a kill and not untargetable.
Flavor claim please?
The question to Rumanshi is ok and NAI. Numbering posts is weird.
The question to Highroller is not ok: most of us don’t know what Highroller wanted in their last game together. Town would give a bit of info with this to keep us informed of what is happening.
The question to Tom is good (Tom called Joe town without explanation)
The question to Grape is bad. That post from Grape doesn’t need explaining.
The question to Vaimes is very bad. It’s way too early to ask this.
The problem is that this is all the follow up we get on the question to Tom, and then Kami doesn’t mention it at all anymore:
Then the big issue I have with Kami arises. Apart from calling Highroller town and a bit of interaction with Tom, he only talks about mechanics and why flavor gaming is bad in his next posts, plus a bit of reactive posts.
Until he goes after Vezok. His explanation for that is not “Vezok is doing X which makes him scum” but “What Vezok does doesn’t make sense”.
His Rodemy vote just recently is OK I guess, but that doesn’t clear him at all.
I usually see a post between town-idk-scum.
So just because I don't read posts as town, doesn't mean I'm reading them as scum.
I feel a little detached from the thread. I read everything/caught up but it seems like I'm not getting it. I feel like the Highroller-Rodemy interactions made me like Highroller as town, but it doesn't really help me read Rodemy. And now I see he's a scumread to most. The lack of contesting wagon worries me. (Just realized you said the same thing)
I'm too used to being scumread, maybe.
I thought it made sense, given I think I'm being awkward as well (more like I laughed when I saw the word awkward instead of scum - haha)
Most of it comes from I don't think I can do anything about the read on me at this point. I don't think I have done anything good enough.
@EtR What's your current read on Elijah and Highroller? (and me, maybe.. if you want to do three)
The consensus statement strikes a chord with me as well, but it's day one without a lot of side action so it's whatever.
@Rod
Who is pushing you with impure thoughts?
What about Tom's early game made you inclined to town slot him, when its practically a meme for you to always suspect him?
Lastly, is that the extent you're willing to claim? I ask because I believe flavour might hold more importance than a standard game.
Yes, this.
Will follow up more later today.
Rhand: I asked Vaimes about the scumteam because he made a comment about the scumteam. More importantly - "this doesn't make sense" is the primary behavioral way to catch scum. Scum set an agenda and then weave a web of lies to support it; inconsistencies in the web are how we detect that.
Terry, if this is town Rod being pushed by scum, who's the scum pushing him?
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I believe one of those 3 posts is scum seeing an opportunity and jumping on the train/bus (depending on where you land with Rod's alignment).
@Grape: "But if the scum team is mostly in Rod/Vez/Fuwa/tom/atog then it makes sense." Rod, Vez and tom have had interactions so I can understand those. Why are Fuwa and atog on this list?
Egocentric read time Rhand town reading me is giving me the heebie jeebies. I can't remember him ever town reading me on a D1. And given that tom (who has often been greater than random to town read me D1) is voting me I don't think it's about my play. Nothing about what Rhand has said sticks out and it all seems fine but just the town read itself has me spooked. On that similar note I like tom questioning Rhand about that town read.
That it's based entirely on how I think others think of me.
@Grape: mindmeld is my strongest reason for early townreads.
Have I really never townread you D1?
I'm not actually sure, but I don't remember you doing so. And vividly remember you pushing me several times. Though I know one of them was a scum game.
Decided to fact check myself. It's sort of true but not as true as I realized.
Our most recent game together was Arkham Horror (which felt wrong but I didn't see a more recent one). You had an initial town read and that sutained at least through the start of D2. So yeah, I was wrong.
You initially incorrectly town read me in Pirates, before swinging at the EoD to correctly scum read me. And you sort of suspected me in Silence of the Lambs but that had a ton to do with me relentlessly tunneling into you. So yeah my recollection was not accurate and the heebie jeebies revoked.
Rodscum points at, like, fuwa/Joe maybe?
Rodtown gonna deep dive on his wagon
I'm cool with lynch going through with that claim
Remember how in Banned Mafia it was REALLY obvious you were mafia, and during post-game discussion you attributed that to having two lurker teammates and you having to shoulder the burden of all mafia activity, and so you were trying to do too many things during the day? You come off in this game as someone who took that note of do less and be less conspicuous, but you're still doing the same things you did in that game. That tactic you have of throwing suspicion on someone, but still keeping a way out should you need one, and still keeping your foot in the door to another bandwagon is still present.
You saw three people dogpile onto Rodemy in three posts and weren't suspicious?
I don't see the problem with that.
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So, anyone else want to talk about Gozer? Because we have a plurality right now on Gozerian. Again, I really think the smart play is to not vote any form.
Also, besides Gozer, what else needs to be discussed today?
@Highroller so would it be accurate to say a low confidence scum lean is roughly where you're at on me? Anyway I don't remember expressing that exact thought in the post game (my intent wasn't that it was their fault but my ego was the problem), but yeah I was definitely trying to do too much there. Anyway the fact that my behavior is otherwise largely the same is why I was so annoyed that everyone zero'd in on me as scum. That's just how I play. Tom called me a hedgelord for a reason.
like 12.5 days
That mean you don't think rodemy is a hit?