I can get behind voting for Vez. Really disliking his particular fishing at the moment on top of the lack of consistency. Will reread his early game later.
Vote: Vez
What lack of consistency? Also how can you dislike my fishing attempt if you don't even know what it's about. I assume the person I'm looking for has at least some hint of why I'm trying to find them.
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Dr. Venkman, we believe that the purpose of science is to serve mankind. You, however, seem to regard science as some kind of dodge or hustle. Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy and your conclusions are highly questionable. You, Dr. Venkman, are a poor scientist.
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I assume Gozer is a bad thing, because the claims we have until now seem to point to the fact that ghostbusters are the good guys and the ghosts are the bad guys. Of course there might be some curveballs, but I operate under this assumption.
Hold up. Highroller claimed a ghostbuster. You voted him for being a serial killer. This does not make sense.
Highroller claimed a ghostbuster and my entire case was based on the fact that highroller is Gozer or aligned with Gozer. I hope you can put 2 and 2 together and realise that fakeclaims exist in games like this one.
That still doesn't make sense. A fake claim of one of the four core ghostbusters? It is extremely improbable that the four are not in the game, so lying about being one would instantly open up a CC.
Further, you specifically said the claims we have point to ghostbusters = good, ghosts = bad. The only name claims so far are from yourself and Highroller, and Highroller is the only ghostbuster there. We don't have any actual role claims yet. So if you thought Highroller was faking, then what claims were you talking about?
I assume Gozer is a bad thing, because the claims we have until now seem to point to the fact that ghostbusters are the good guys and the ghosts are the bad guys. Of course there might be some curveballs, but I operate under this assumption.
Hold up. Highroller claimed a ghostbuster. You voted him for being a serial killer. This does not make sense.
Highroller claimed a ghostbuster and my entire case was based on the fact that highroller is Gozer or aligned with Gozer. I hope you can put 2 and 2 together and realise that fakeclaims exist in games like this one.
That still doesn't make sense. A fake claim of one of the four core ghostbusters? It is extremely improbable that the four are not in the game, so lying about being one would instantly open up a CC.
Further, you specifically said the claims we have point to ghostbusters = good, ghosts = bad. The only name claims so far are from yourself and Highroller, and Highroller is the only ghostbuster there. We don't have any actual role claims yet. So if you thought Highroller was faking, then what claims were you talking about?
Why are you trying to misrep my words so bad?
Firstly, the mod can provide fakeclaims that are CC proof. I do not put it past Cantrip to give the main character as a fakeclaim to a SK or a mafia.
I specifically talked about ghosts being bad and humans being good after I said I don't believe my theory any more so it was coming from the mindset that I believe highroller's claim.
And the theory about highroller was my drunken mind posting what it came up with right before falling asleep. I wasn't wholly invested into it since the start, but wanted to do something today.
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@Fuwa so you’re assumption is TRSJT is throwing shade by claiming a serial killer? Multiple people have done that this game? Is that your only justification for voting him? Your catch up post didn’t include anything about him.
As far as your question, I’m leaning derpy town for Rodemy. Beside the win condition thing I don’t have any concerns with his play.
You, on the other hand, come in, quote 4 posts and vote someone with little to no justification.
vote:TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Terry's #137 smells awfully like a shade.
It is shade, but that's not what's suspicious about Terry.
Terry's suspicious because he's being lurky, quiet, and self-deprecating. Which is not Terry. Terry is loud, bombastic, braggadocious, and triple posts routinely. It's like Terry's doing everything he can to try to stay in the background and avoid everyone's attention, which is the exact opposite of his normal behavior.
Ummm....... I voted someone else and you quoted it too...
I'm hesitant about Terry because he's proven himself to be loud as scum (Unreliable Cops), so his lack of presence seems NAI to me.
@Fuwa
I found the way High went about his mass claim proposal not really well thought out. I could be wrong and maybe tomorrow there will be a good explanation for it, but it was disorganized and when asked to explain the benefits mechanically he failed to provide an adequate answer. I don't think he's mafia though.
Elijah's honesty and nonchalant attitude feel townie but I don't know where he's pulling most of his reads out of. If tone is the towniest thing about someone, I'd argue that's a bad sign. He seems comfortable with the game state for someone who admitted his scumread wasn't great.
Why those two? Did you miss the posts where I explain why?
Cantrip's recent post drew my eye for a couple reasons. Among them it looks like, of the active players, myself, Highroller, RE1031, and Rumanshi aren't voting for any Gozer form. I've stated my reason previously, but I'ld like to understand why the other three aren't voting.
Also Rumanshi and TRSJT don't have a vote on a player. Is there anyone that you are currently looking at?
Your statements are inconsistent. Your explanation is that you just changed your mind about things. Which, yes, is absolutely something that happens. But it's also an easy explanation for scum to give for any inconsistency they get caught in.
I'm not going to say "vezok is 100% caught scum", and I will look elsewhere as well, but vezok is still my top scumread right now.
Someone asked me how I thought JT was, hypothetically, trying to derpclear himself: in the sense that scum would obviously know if all scum were Ecto and all town Human.
Even though the rules state that the Ecto/Human descriptor is strictly related to roles and abilities, not alignment.
Also tom standing up for Rumi doesn't feel like a scum move seeing as if they were scum together that puts them together in the beginning and i don't think tom is that careless.
if rumi were town and tom were scum, I think he'd be pushing for a lynch here.
If tom is town and Rumi is scum, then it's null and void but hey, 2 out of 3 point to a town tom.
This is still a fake progression. It isn't about the logic it's just about the strangeness of the read. Rodemy knows tom, tom loves to pocket people and powerwolf. He also likes to defend low hanging fruit on occasion as scum. This is not a D1 read I can ever see town!Rod making about unknown!tom. I just don't believe it.
Yeah, I mulled over it and think that Rodemy made a scum derp and not a Rodemy derp.
vote rodemy
To me it feels like he kinda got mad that someone quoted the town win con and became confirmed town in his eyes so he tried to throw shade not realising the wincon is in the first post.
I went back and looked and it kinda does make sense.
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This seems too Rodemy and not that scum. In my last post I remembered wrongly that the posts where one and not separate, but with them being separate Rodemy's explanation makes sense.
Reasonable sounding backtrack and town are probably more likely than scum to jump at something hard before saying "actually, no". But looking at Rod's posts this explanation doesn't make any sense.
Hi, I'm Highroller. I'm also Peter Venkman. We should all mass roleclaim in numerical order. Also, I'm taking it as a given that there's a serial killer in this game.
I also don't like spending two pages of beating around the bush. Hence the skip to something interesting.
That's a lot of votes on Highroller just for proposing claiming. Don't think it indicates alignment here; Highroller was town in Banned Mafia and was pushing hard for a massclaim there.
@Rodemy: The town win condition is public knowledge, see #4. Also, if you are assuming this is actually part of Highroller's PM, doesn't that mean you believe him town?
I am gonna drop this subject due to the fact that i shouldn't be playing like this.
I thought if he wasn't modkilled for it, he has to be lying. But that is a poor way to play and I am sorry.
I'm going to key you in of my thoughts thus far. I like highroller and think he is town. Based on my role his idea isn't bad. At least a mass name claim would make sense even if we don't go for the full role claim.
... is there something i don't know? Why just the names?
That wording is in the mod's post #4. And you earlier acknowledged this yourself: "The win condition was revealed".
Right, but Rodemy didn't know that.
Rodemy voted me believing that I had quoted my role PM.
False. I voted you thinking you were the serial killer. Then thought you were trying to prove you were town by “quoting your role pm”( but using the role pm in the beginning as a guide)
I never voted you for quoting your role pm, I just pointed out you couldn’t quote it. I figured I’d Catch scum due to not being modkilled. Make sense?
I can't combine any of them and go from this is a scum derp play to Rod isn't scum over this. It's really hard to talk about without talking about Rod's almost an angleshoot read that I've been largely trying to avoid but from Vez doesn't make sense. It feels like hard pivoting off a wagon as scum, not a real progression. I just don't see how you can go from reading it as scum calling for a slot to be mod killed to seeing it as Rod trying to get scum mod killed by combining 2 posts.
Then we have the repeated calls for a flavor claim which are not something I'm a fan of. Nor do I really buy the idea that he's signalling to a specific player. More accurately I don't have a strong opinion on that part but if it is true I don't buy that he needs to call for a mass claim to do that. If it is true then it's a better look for him because that would imply he's less likely to be scum but a small amount but at this stage it doesn't outweigh everything else.
His lack of gumption in his reads shown here and here just doesn't feel like a real town progression. I know he qualifies why he dropped it so easily, but while I think townies are more likely to come up with crazy theories and more likely to drop ideas on a dime, I think they're less likely to drop their crazy theories on a dime (which implicates Rodemy here as well!).
Keeping my vote on Rod. Too many red flags to look over.
Still think that if there's a neutral in the game, Highroller's a good place as any to start. His only real defence is "that's ridiculous!" which is basically nothing. A PR should untangle that web.
OH, that reminds me, I wanted to respond to this and completely forgot:
I have a qualm about the instant assumption of a serial killer. Like, neutrals COULD be a thing in this game given the wording.
But why did he suddenly jump to serial killer??
Serial Killer is virtually the first possibility brought up whenever a Neutral is mentioned, so I don't think it's at all weird that it was the first thing to come to mind rather than a Survivor. A Hitman seems equally likely, but people don't talk about them much for some reason. Probably because they aren't as much of a threat; they're usually out ofa the game earlier wheras a Serial Killer can cause damage literally until endgame.
I've been thinking about Gozer and I think highroller might be related to him.
I think it's pretty obvious that we are voting for some ability that Gozer will have. We don't know what it is so it's mostly blind guessing. I'm pretty sure all abilities are of similar powerlevel so it doesn't really matter what we vote for.
Highroller insists on having a three way tie. I don't know how you'd solve a three-way tie, but I would solve it by giving the character all three abilities. The other possibility is giving no abilities, but that's almost bastard. Highroller's insistence on getting the three way tie makes me think he is allied with Gozer.
I think that's where I want to go today.
vote highroller
What about, "Gozier gets to pick their ability"?
Kinda lost track of the argument between Kamikaze and vezok, but I had vague impressions that it was t/t.
I wouldn't be surprised if High was serial killer. His approach to Rodemy - I get the sense he believes what he's saying, but he's extremely tunneled on him and has hardly given the rest of the players any attention. He's committed to securing a lynch, but lacks the town drive to sort the game.
Like, say whatever you want about Rod and his logic, but his tom read gave me whiplash. "I think tom is town on page one!" > "tom isn't doing anything productive!"? Please.
Missed this. I'm terrible at tone, so I avoid it unless it's proven to be a reliable tell for that player.
Then what do you make of my read on you and its reasoning?
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His only real defence is "that's ridiculous!" which is basically nothing.
It's not basically nothing when one of the people who posted such a devil's advocate post saying I could be a serial killer agreed it was over-the-top silly.
Here's the thing, you can twist logic and reason into coming up with a possible scenario in which I could be a serial killer, but the mere act of doing that indicates pretty well how unlikely it is that I am. Notice how the people who've gone along this track have mostly been arguing devil's advocate, saying it's possible without actually committing to it being realistic - with the exception of Rodemy, who seems to really want to push that I'm a serial killer, despite the fact that his only reason for thinking I'm a serial killer is that I mentioned there might be one.
Which is why RE1031's statement that I'm tunneling on Rodemy irks me, because Rodemy's been raving that I'm a serial killer ever since I made that post based entirely on nothing, I've been pointing out that Rodemy is the most suspicious town based on facts, but I'M the one who's tunneling? What about Rodemy?
Also for the record I think tom is playing in an anti town manner that I am not comfortable calling him scum over.
Dude, you're basically a drinking game at this point. Drink a shot for every time Grapefruit makes a non-committal attempt at trying to put suspicion on someone while at the same time leaving the door open for him to back off and throw suspicion at another person. (Please note that this is hyperbole, and I am not actually encouraging anyone play this drinking game, please do not actually play this drinking game, I don't want anyone going to the hospital.)
And that possibility is just another reason not to name claim!
There is no good reason not to name claim.
Once again, why are we assuming Gozer's not a good thing for the town? Is it because he's evil in the movie? Because if so, then you're basically agreeing that the probability of something being good or bad for the town is at least somewhat affected by the flavor of that thing.
Also for the record I think tom is playing in an anti town manner that I am not comfortable calling him scum over.
I object
It doesn't always seem like it but I am usually +EV for my team
I don't normally feel this way about your play as either alignment. It's something specific to this game I'm just not all the way to a hard scum read yet.
@Highroller and what does that say about my alignment?
Missed this. I'm terrible at tone, so I avoid it unless it's proven to be a reliable tell for that player.
Then what do you make of my read on you and its reasoning?
I wouldn't say I'm good at reading tone, but it's something I sort of just try to do instead of any other way to scumhunt. saaa~~~
Your read on me was "awkward". I don't really know what to comment on that. I did fluff (which I enjoy terribly more than actually playing the game but try my best to not do it), and I might have missed Rodemy's response to my question. Or if he posted something that answers it before my post.
As for my thoughts on Rodemy~
Initially I had him in town lean for his early votes. I kinda had this thought that town likes wagon so that's that. His post in #22 feels townish too. Highroller's point on him makes me wonder though. So idk. After reading Highroller's post, I can't see town in Rodemy anymore? Maybe an after effect? haha
Missed this. I'm terrible at tone, so I avoid it unless it's proven to be a reliable tell for that player.
Then what do you make of my read on you and its reasoning?
I wouldn't say I'm good at reading tone, but it's something I sort of just try to do instead of any other way to scumhunt. saaa~~~
Your read on me was "awkward". I don't really know what to comment on that. I did fluff (which I enjoy terribly more than actually playing the game but try my best to not do it), and I might have missed Rodemy's response to my question. Or if he posted something that answers it before my post.
As for my thoughts on Rodemy~
Initially I had him in town lean for his early votes. I kinda had this thought that town likes wagon so that's that. His post in #22 feels townish too. Highroller's point on him makes me wonder though. So idk. After reading Highroller's post, I can't see town in Rodemy anymore? Maybe an after effect? haha
This feels like a bus to me. FUWA hasn't really commented on Rodemy much, just probing and asking questions about others thoughts on him. My biggest concern is that he "can't see town in Rodemy" but didn't move his vote. Can I get some other thoughts? Am I tunneling?
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I did a quick read of the game.
First feelings:
Vaimes / Grape / EtR town because mindmeld
Highroller town because I think rodemy is scum, and their interactions aren’t s/s
Rumanshi town for not knowing cantrip is the mod
I cleared elijah somewhere but forgot why
Vezok can be scum but I always think that
tom might be scum, especially if rodemy is scum. Their early interactions feel forced. Also, he makes a post saying that pregame he thought that Gozer might be neutral and then votes destructor.
Kami is likely scum for his early posting. I will ISO him later to show why.
Rodemy doesn’t feel like Rodemy at all. Tonal scumread.
vote Rodemy
Whoever isn’t mentioned here didn’t leave a strong feeling either way.
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Votecount 1.4
tomsloger (2): Atogaholic, Rodemy
Rodemy (2): Highroller, Vaimes
RE1031 (1): Tubba Fett
KamikazeArchon (1): elijah
elijah (1): RE1031
rezombied (1): tomsloger
Fuwa (1): EtR
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (1): Fuwa
vezokpiraka (2): KamikazeArchon, Grapefruit21
Not Voting (4): rezombied, Rumanshi, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, vezokpiraka
With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
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Traveler (3): Vaimes, Rodemy, Fuwa
Gozerian (5): vezokpiraka, Grapefruit21, Tubba Fett, elijah, KamikazeArchon
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Further, you specifically said the claims we have point to ghostbusters = good, ghosts = bad. The only name claims so far are from yourself and Highroller, and Highroller is the only ghostbuster there. We don't have any actual role claims yet. So if you thought Highroller was faking, then what claims were you talking about?
Why are you trying to misrep my words so bad?
Firstly, the mod can provide fakeclaims that are CC proof. I do not put it past Cantrip to give the main character as a fakeclaim to a SK or a mafia.
I specifically talked about ghosts being bad and humans being good after I said I don't believe my theory any more so it was coming from the mindset that I believe highroller's claim.
And the theory about highroller was my drunken mind posting what it came up with right before falling asleep. I wasn't wholly invested into it since the start, but wanted to do something today.
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Being bad =/= being scum
Might even be a negative correlation tbh.
Apply this how you will
Ummm....... I voted someone else and you quoted it too...
I don't have his meta, but thanks.
Hmm fair, but I find it genuine.
Those two are my town leans so I was curious.
???
Also Rumanshi and TRSJT don't have a vote on a player. Is there anyone that you are currently looking at?
I'm still thinking about it.
Also,
@Cantrip
Is the Gozer form voting on Majority (sorry if this has been answered already)
Thinking about whether you want to vote or where to put your vote?
Your statements are inconsistent. Your explanation is that you just changed your mind about things. Which, yes, is absolutely something that happens. But it's also an easy explanation for scum to give for any inconsistency they get caught in.
I'm not going to say "vezok is 100% caught scum", and I will look elsewhere as well, but vezok is still my top scumread right now.
Let's go with
vote: grape
I keep picking up MU slang
Even though the rules state that the Ecto/Human descriptor is strictly related to roles and abilities, not alignment.
This is still a fake progression. It isn't about the logic it's just about the strangeness of the read. Rodemy knows tom, tom loves to pocket people and powerwolf. He also likes to defend low hanging fruit on occasion as scum. This is not a D1 read I can ever see town!Rod making about unknown!tom. I just don't believe it.
Onto Vez:
Reasonable sounding backtrack and town are probably more likely than scum to jump at something hard before saying "actually, no". But looking at Rod's posts this explanation doesn't make any sense.
Gif plus admitting the conclusion was stupid.
Then we have the repeated calls for a flavor claim which are not something I'm a fan of. Nor do I really buy the idea that he's signalling to a specific player. More accurately I don't have a strong opinion on that part but if it is true I don't buy that he needs to call for a mass claim to do that. If it is true then it's a better look for him because that would imply he's less likely to be scum but a small amount but at this stage it doesn't outweigh everything else.
His lack of gumption in his reads shown here and here just doesn't feel like a real town progression. I know he qualifies why he dropped it so easily, but while I think townies are more likely to come up with crazy theories and more likely to drop ideas on a dime, I think they're less likely to drop their crazy theories on a dime (which implicates Rodemy here as well!).
Keeping my vote on Rod. Too many red flags to look over.
Still think that if there's a neutral in the game, Highroller's a good place as any to start. His only real defence is "that's ridiculous!" which is basically nothing. A PR should untangle that web.
OH, that reminds me, I wanted to respond to this and completely forgot: Serial Killer is virtually the first possibility brought up whenever a Neutral is mentioned, so I don't think it's at all weird that it was the first thing to come to mind rather than a Survivor. A Hitman seems equally likely, but people don't talk about them much for some reason. Probably because they aren't as much of a threat; they're usually out ofa the game earlier wheras a Serial Killer can cause damage literally until endgame.
Anyway, this was a bad question. What about, "Gozier gets to pick their ability"?
Kinda lost track of the argument between Kamikaze and vezok, but I had vague impressions that it was t/t. This is a gold-star read. This is also a +town thought.
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Vaimes
EtR
tom
RE####
Riku
[people]
Rod
Resisting the urge to autoscum Fuwa for having Atogaholic way too high in her townreads.
No one else really left any impressions.
Then what do you make of my read on you and its reasoning?
Here's the thing, you can twist logic and reason into coming up with a possible scenario in which I could be a serial killer, but the mere act of doing that indicates pretty well how unlikely it is that I am. Notice how the people who've gone along this track have mostly been arguing devil's advocate, saying it's possible without actually committing to it being realistic - with the exception of Rodemy, who seems to really want to push that I'm a serial killer, despite the fact that his only reason for thinking I'm a serial killer is that I mentioned there might be one.
Which is why RE1031's statement that I'm tunneling on Rodemy irks me, because Rodemy's been raving that I'm a serial killer ever since I made that post based entirely on nothing, I've been pointing out that Rodemy is the most suspicious town based on facts, but I'M the one who's tunneling? What about Rodemy?
Anyway, I'm just gonna let Night actions sort you out since you're ~probably not mafia. Cool?
i am reminded to make a good post tomorrow
My bad.
At this point it's more of a "the more you argue against something that's impossible to prove until later on (potentially), the more guilty you look."
Also for the record I think tom is playing in an anti town manner that I am not comfortable calling him scum over.
Personally my fingers are crossed for a Hitman who will leave ~most of us alone.
Fair.
What I meant was that if it wasn't tom I'd be have him up in the Rod/Vez zone. But it's tom so I'm not sure if I trust myself.
Meh, I think even with a confirmed unknown third party it's usually best to ignore their existence until you have reason not to.
And that possibility is just another reason not to name claim!
But doubly so now that it could potentially fuel a Neutral's wincon lmao
It doesn't always seem like it but I am usually +EV for my team
Dude, you're basically a drinking game at this point. Drink a shot for every time Grapefruit makes a non-committal attempt at trying to put suspicion on someone while at the same time leaving the door open for him to back off and throw suspicion at another person. (Please note that this is hyperbole, and I am not actually encouraging anyone play this drinking game, please do not actually play this drinking game, I don't want anyone going to the hospital.)
There is no good reason not to name claim.
Once again, why are we assuming Gozer's not a good thing for the town? Is it because he's evil in the movie? Because if so, then you're basically agreeing that the probability of something being good or bad for the town is at least somewhat affected by the flavor of that thing.
There's reasons *to name claim* as well I just think they're generally outweighed
Not super interested in debating though. And I'm not claiming anything short of L-2
I don't normally feel this way about your play as either alignment. It's something specific to this game I'm just not all the way to a hard scum read yet.
@Highroller and what does that say about my alignment?
I’ll try posting more tonight.
Perpetually catching up and only defending himself when called out. Town Rodemy is much more interactive and actually tries to solve stuff.
vote rodemy
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Why not autoscum me for that though? I mean, what's the reason that you're resisting it?
Your read on me was "awkward". I don't really know what to comment on that. I did fluff (which I enjoy terribly more than actually playing the game but try my best to not do it), and I might have missed Rodemy's response to my question. Or if he posted something that answers it before my post.
As for my thoughts on Rodemy~
Initially I had him in town lean for his early votes. I kinda had this thought that town likes wagon so that's that. His post in #22 feels townish too. Highroller's point on him makes me wonder though. So idk. After reading Highroller's post, I can't see town in Rodemy anymore? Maybe an after effect? haha
This feels like a bus to me. FUWA hasn't really commented on Rodemy much, just probing and asking questions about others thoughts on him. My biggest concern is that he "can't see town in Rodemy" but didn't move his vote. Can I get some other thoughts? Am I tunneling?
NAI.
Just busy.
But noted that I have a scum tell? I’ll be sure never to be busy again.
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Fuwa, you’re a brand of player I tend to default to scumreading.
It does look a bit like an awkward bus where she’s trying to gauge what the thread will think of her move onto Rod.
But I almost always have a light scumread on Fuwa so bias is real vOv
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I did a quick read of the game.
First feelings:
Vaimes / Grape / EtR town because mindmeld
Highroller town because I think rodemy is scum, and their interactions aren’t s/s
Rumanshi town for not knowing cantrip is the mod
I cleared elijah somewhere but forgot why
Vezok can be scum but I always think that
tom might be scum, especially if rodemy is scum. Their early interactions feel forced. Also, he makes a post saying that pregame he thought that Gozer might be neutral and then votes destructor.
Kami is likely scum for his early posting. I will ISO him later to show why.
Rodemy doesn’t feel like Rodemy at all. Tonal scumread.
vote Rodemy
Whoever isn’t mentioned here didn’t leave a strong feeling either way.