Unless the setup is 2 mafia and 1 neutral, and RE1031 and EtR are both mafia, then Rodemy was bussed by at least one mafia.
So that gives us: Highroller, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, Rumanshi, tomsloger, Vaimes
I'm going to go ahead and remove my name from the list, I think everyone's onboard with me being town. That leaves: vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, Rumanshi, tomsloger, Vaimes.
We should lynch someone from this list, preferably Kamikaze or Ruma.
But then, we're less than half an hour from lynch. *Sigh* I would vote Silver to prevent no lynch. We cannot have no lynch this day.
Yeah, it's silver/tom. Silver didn't even mention the possibility of scun tom and is pushing etr and ruma in a horrible manner. He is just thirsty for a lynch.
Can we lynch silver today?
Damn why is everyone so scummy.
vote silver
I mean, tom could be scum, but you'd have to explain all that Rodemy spew. I didn't mention Highroller scum worlds, either. I believe in those worlds less than I believe in EtR/Ruma worlds. Yeah, they're technically possible, but if Rodemy and Tom interacted like that as wolf partners...
I've been trying to get EtR lynched since yesterDay when I cased him. Do you think something has happened that makes him town?
Can you show what interactions you are talking about? I only remember typical scum-scum interactions between the two, or at least nothing outside their range.
tom/silver or tom/etr worlds make the most sense to me, but tom isn't as scummiest as a ton of other people so I don't have that much faith there.
I don't know who I want to lynch today, because nobody is really discussing anything. Vaimes is still MIA.
"I believe tom is scum, according to the worlds I've narrowed down, but I don't want to vote him."
??????????????????????????
Maybe it's tom / Vezok and they're so flabbergasted I don't think he's a wolf because they have TMI?
Only half joking.I'll put my vote on Kami if that seems more likely than EtR, but if it's just the three of us I'm probably just dead?
Uhm. Tom's probably town for Rodemy interactions. I guess there's, like, odds they're wolves together given history, etc. but I don't really think it's true.
Highroller's just probably town here.
Kami / Vezok / Vaimes don't really have a lot of antialignments in the game except with people that are probably town or are dead. Kami being a loud weird tracker as a wolf is probably not true, so neutral at worst. Vaimes is pretty far and away the most likely wolf Ghostbuster but I don't really think there is one.
Ruma and EtR are pretty far and away the wolfiest players in the game and make perfect sense with one another, and I'll die on that hill.
Sucks that I'm the default lynch but it is what it is I guess.
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. With no player reaching the lynch threshold by the deadline, the Day ends in a No Lynch.
Night 4 deadline is set to 8pm, MST, on Sunday, February 3rd, and Day 5 will begin later than evening. Those with Night actions are certainly welcome to indicate finality to their choices; if all players with actions do so, Day 5 may begin sooner.
I tried to think of the most harmless thing. Something I loved from my childhood. Something that could never, ever possibly destroy us. Mr. Stay-Puft...
zdtsd has been killed; he was:
Stay Puft Marshmallow Man, Town Doctorguard
Day 5 has now begun; the deadline is set to 10:30pm MST on Friday, February 15th: Countdown Clock
I'm really sorry guys. I ended up going afk for something that I thought would be momentary and ended up taking 20 minutes. The moral of this story: don't let things run until the last minutes before deadline.
Hopefully Silver wasn't mafia and this will end up being a blessing in disguise. If he wasn't, then I'm sorry for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
It is impossible that Rodemy had no hostiles voting for him. Moreover, unless both Silver/RE and EtR are the two mafia and the remaining hostile is a neutral, then Rodemy has been confirmed to have been bussed.
We must lynch a hostile for the remaining turns. We cannot lynch a town.
I'm not moving my vote and I don't really care. I just want this game to end.
Understandable, this game has been incredibly frustrating. That said, you believe that KA is a definite hostile, right? You've believed it for a while, right? Shouldn't you be voting for him?
Hopefully Silver wasn't mafia and this will end up being a blessing in disguise. If he wasn't, then I'm sorry for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Actually yeah, he literally cannot perform the NK because his whole identity is centered around leaving a trace of himself behind, which would be so dumb for killing people.
Also, we’re not gonna ignore the fact that EtR and tom have been trying to lynch the town Doctor for the last several Day phases. I only had a hunch before that the zdtsd wagon was scum motivated, and now it’s been proven.
Silver doesn't really make sense as scum. All the other scummy people (Riku, EtR, tom) are trying to lynch him, and Silver hasn't been trying to lynch the town protective role that was 100% self-resolving, which at this point in the game is a big ******* plus.
On top of that, Silver's case on EtR doesn't read as someone with an agenda. He thought EtR was town, then changed his mind upon reread. He even mentioned some things he liked about EtR while scumcasing him, which doesn't really make sense coming from scum pushing a mislynch.
Yeah, with zdtsd's flip, it's ridiculous to think that scum!Silver did a random 180 on EtR and left himself open to almost being lynched yesterDay instead of just bandwagoning onto zdtsd when he's had countless chances to do so.
That leaves EtR as literally the only possible Rod scumbuddy off-wagon.
This is EtR's readslist (and has been for basically forever):
EtR
tomsloger
Vaimes
Highroller
Rumanshi
vezokpiraka
Silvercrys3467
zdtsd
And I still think all of his scumreads are town, with the possible exception of Riku. It's going to be tricky figuring out which of tom/Riku is EtR's buddy.
Silver, you really need to look at tom. You haven't considered him as an EtR partner at all, despite them both strongly townreading each other since Day 1 without any reevaluation. I also think tom's scumreads have been distinctly milquetoast all game, which is scummy for him.
And I'm pretty clearly town, unless you want to argue that I've been preventing the Doctor from getting lynched since Day 2 because I like scumgames on hard mode.
]What is your basis for this? He can’t be the Delayer
Clarify this?
He targeted vezok N1, but DV/zdtsd were delayed.
Oh right, ok.
So let's talk about the delayer then. Delayer's almost certainly mafia, and we agree that Kami's not the delayer. For the sake of just making things easier, I'm going to rule out myself as well. I think we all at this point agree I'm town.
My theory is we can also rule out vezokpiraka. Remember that vezok has a night ability, to try to find Rhand, the Keymaster. I don't think it necessarily makes sense that he'd have two night abilities.
1. Why were there two people blocked that night?
2. Would it make sense for tomsloger and Vaimes - definitely Ghostbusters - to also have that night ability?
In a vacuum, EtR is overwhelmingly likely to be the Delayer, unless Kami says Riku is guilty.
I honestly have no idea whether a scum Ghostbuster would have a secondary ability. I’d lean towards no, just because scum having ANY access to a Daykill is already pretty good for them.
Mmm. Planning on doing my due diligence but I still think it's just EtR/Ruma as of right now. I'll look into tom but I'm still having a hard time seeing his Rodemy interactions as being partner-y. Like. Rodemy spent 98% of the only day he was alive talking to and about just Highroller and tom and that's... weird. Especially the 180 he did on tom when tom started scum reading him. I dunno. I'll try to get some time to pull quotes from Rodemy later.
As far as night actions go, do we know for sure that wolves can't kill and do another action? I think Vezok wolf basically requires that they can use another action and the kill at the same time.
Agree wolf loud tracker makes virtually no sense, though.
@Vaimes: I don't think you're particularly likely to be a wolf in a vacuum, just like, their third basically has to be you or Vezok or tom, and I can't really see tom as a Rodemy partner even if he's a fine EtR one.
Huh,and I'm still certain that Kami has been breezing by as scum while under the guise of neutral. Also, I got slimmed. Lol.
vote:kami
Sounds to me like Riku doesn't like being tracked.
vote Rumanshi
None of my current slime targets targeted zdtsd. I believe that means that the NK had to come from [EtR, Highroller, Silver, Vaimes]. I'm just going to treat Highroller as lock town so [EtR, Silver, Vaimes] could have done it. That said, there is always a possibility that there's a Ninja out there to counter me.
Last Day end was unfortunate and I feel like I take some of the blame as I didn't realize how close we were to deadline. I should have checked closer to the end and moved my vote.
@Highroller: #2: I addressed this yesterDay but to reiterate: there are probably 3 scum still alive based on typical numbers. If we have a neutral, then the total composition of T-N-S is 4-1-3. Killing a neutral today, with the doctor gone, means a townie dies toNight guaranteed; next Day is 3-0-3, which is an instant Mafia victory. It's not just "don't kill Town"; it's "we MUST kill scum".
Killing a Neutral loses the game unless we had only 3 scum to start - which is implausible in a 16-person game.
Well, I haven't been slimed and I'm still Vanilla so... Wasn't me.
It is interesting that I've been considered to be top 2 for scum for the last few days and I haven't been slimed. Shouldn't someone want to track me? And why is it not believable that all of Rod's teammates were on his wagon? Like at this point I would consider it more likely even if you didn't know my alignment that they were all on his wagon.
I honestly have no idea whether a scum Ghostbuster would have a secondary ability. I’d lean towards no, just because scum having ANY access to a Daykill is already pretty good for them.
That's fair. Granted, we could be dealing with a game that's just plain unbalanced, but you have a point.
Last Day end was unfortunate and I feel like I take some of the blame as I didn't realize how close we were to deadline. I should have checked closer to the end and moved my vote.
Dude, I'm way more to blame than you. Don't even worry about it.
Killing a Neutral loses the game unless we had only 3 scum to start - which is implausible in a 16-person game.
I'd like other people to weigh in here. Are we sure about this?
As a town, its important to analyse and give information as you know you are town. giving up as you are pressured is bad form, and i dont recall rodemy being bad.
and yet, in your subsequent posts, you defend him.
? Just because I understood and defend the underlying argument irself doesn't mean I was defending rodemy. Just means I was making sure people actually understood the argument being made.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
Ftr, i didnt particularly agree with the reasons grape and highroller were pushing rod early, but his reaction to pressure was definitely scumrod and thats why i voted him.
Anyway im way out of snowboarding shape im gonna take a bath in bengay and think about thinking about this game...
It is interesting that I've been considered to be top 2 for scum for the last few days and I haven't been slimed.
Actually, that's a pretty good point. Kami, care to weigh in on this?
Riku seems scummier to me, so I targeted him. I can't speak for why others haven't targeted EtR to spread the slime. Maybe they can't, maybe they don't want to.
? Just because I understood and defend the underlying argument irself doesn't mean I was defending rodemy. Just means I was making sure people actually understood the argument being made.
I understood the argument being made. The argument being made was bullcrap. When you try to defend an argument that is bullcrap when someone is saying it's bullcrap, that means you're defending the person arguing it.
? Just because I understood and defend the underlying argument irself doesn't mean I was defending rodemy. Just means I was making sure people actually understood the argument being made.
I understood the argument being made. The argument being made was bullcrap. When you try to defend an argument that is bullcrap when someone is saying it's bullcrap, that means you're defending the person arguing it.
If you understood the argument being made, etc etc. I don't give a ***** about you. You can make sure someone understands a point without defending the person making the point. Now you can either continue being a dick, or you can make a point that is valid. Just trying to make sure people understand the point means **** all.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
If you understood the argument being made, etc etc. I don't give a ***** about you. You can make sure someone understands a point without defending the person making the point. Now you can either continue being a dick, or you can make a point that is valid. Just trying to make sure people understand the point means **** all.
See, now you're changing the story.
Were you trying to make sure people were understanding the point...
[quote from="Rumanshi »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/801746-ghostbusters-mafia-day-5-dont-look-now-your?comment=2192"]? Just because I understood and defend the underlying argument irself doesn't mean I was defending rodemy.
... or were you defending the point?
And the answer is no, that absolutely means you were defending Rodemy. Furthermore, there's no reason for you to have defended Rodemy's point, because Rodemy's point had no merit.
I'm not even going to merit you the time of day. Yes, I 'defended' the point or whatever. I was not defending rodemy. Either therv get that or don't. I don't care. Just don't talk to me as obviously well never come to an agreement over what anything I do means.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
I'm not even going to merit you the time of day. Yes, I 'defended' the point or whatever.
You specifically said you were defending the underlying argument. Why were you defending it?
I was not defending rodemy.
How could you defend the underlying argument without defending the one who argued it? Rodemy was under attack specifically because of the lack of validity of that argument.
Either therv get that or don't. I don't care. Just don't talk to me as obviously well never come to an agreement over what anything I do means.
35 minutes if i have my timezones right
Idk where everyone else is im literally wearing an osha safety harness rn...
tomsloger (1): Atogaholic
Rodemy (9): Highroller, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, Rumanshi, Tubba Fett, tomsloger, Grapefruit21, Vaimes
elijah (1): RE1031
Fuwa (2): EtR, elijah
KamikazeArchon (2): Rhand, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Not Voting (1): Rodemy
Removing the dead, that leaves:
Rodemy: Highroller, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, Rumanshi, tomsloger, Vaimes
elijah: RE1031
Fuwa: EtR
At least one hostile had to have voted Rodemy.
Unless the setup is 2 mafia and 1 neutral, and RE1031 and EtR are both mafia, then Rodemy was bussed by at least one mafia.
So that gives us: Highroller, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, Rumanshi, tomsloger, Vaimes
I'm going to go ahead and remove my name from the list, I think everyone's onboard with me being town. That leaves: vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, Rumanshi, tomsloger, Vaimes.
We should lynch someone from this list, preferably Kamikaze or Ruma.
But then, we're less than half an hour from lynch. *Sigh* I would vote Silver to prevent no lynch. We cannot have no lynch this day.
What you do behind closed doors is your own business, tomsloger.
Only half joking.
I'll put my vote on Kami if that seems more likely than EtR, but if it's just the three of us I'm probably just dead?
Uhm. Tom's probably town for Rodemy interactions. I guess there's, like, odds they're wolves together given history, etc. but I don't really think it's true.
Highroller's just probably town here.
Kami / Vezok / Vaimes don't really have a lot of antialignments in the game except with people that are probably town or are dead. Kami being a loud weird tracker as a wolf is probably not true, so neutral at worst. Vaimes is pretty far and away the most likely wolf Ghostbuster but I don't really think there is one.
Ruma and EtR are pretty far and away the wolfiest players in the game and make perfect sense with one another, and I'll die on that hill.
Sucks that I'm the default lynch but it is what it is I guess.
AMA for the next ten minutes?
glgl
If it isn't, you have my iso and my legacy, such as it is.
EtR (2): Silvercrys3467, Vaimes
KamikazeArchon (2): zdtsd, Highroller
Rumanshi (1): KamikazeArchon
Silver3467 (4): vezokpiraka, tomsloger, EtR, Rumanshi
Not Voting (0)
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. With no player reaching the lynch threshold by the deadline, the Day ends in a No Lynch.
Night 4 deadline is set to 8pm, MST, on Sunday, February 3rd, and Day 5 will begin later than evening. Those with Night actions are certainly welcome to indicate finality to their choices; if all players with actions do so, Day 5 may begin sooner.
zdtsd has been killed; he was:
With 8 alive; it's 5 to lynch!
I'm not moving my vote and I don't really care. I just want this game to end.
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Hopefully Silver wasn't mafia and this will end up being a blessing in disguise. If he wasn't, then I'm sorry for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Vote count at the end of Day 1:
tomsloger (1): Atogaholic
Rodemy (9): Highroller, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, Rumanshi, Tubba Fett, tomsloger, Grapefruit21, Vaimes
elijah (1): RE1031
Fuwa (2): EtR, elijah
KamikazeArchon (2): Rhand, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Not Voting (1): Rodemy
Removing the dead:
Rodemy: Highroller, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Rumanshi, tomsloger, Vaimes
elijah: RE1031
Fuwa: EtR
It is impossible that Rodemy had no hostiles voting for him. Moreover, unless both Silver/RE and EtR are the two mafia and the remaining hostile is a neutral, then Rodemy has been confirmed to have been bussed.
We must lynch a hostile for the remaining turns. We cannot lynch a town.
Understandable, this game has been incredibly frustrating. That said, you believe that KA is a definite hostile, right? You've believed it for a while, right? Shouldn't you be voting for him?
I'd rather lynch scum than neutral right now and don't really care if he wins any more.
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vote:kami
That kill is gonna help me out a lot though been stuck on that for awhile i guess.
Will begin reread after v/la through the 7th.
Advise against voting me but
First guess aorn is ive been hot garbage all game so etr/kami/vez
Lol
No Kami lynch.
No Silver lynch.
Unvote, vote EtR
This needs death.
That leaves EtR as literally the only possible Rod scumbuddy off-wagon.
This is EtR's readslist (and has been for basically forever):
EtR
tomsloger
Vaimes
Highroller
Rumanshi
vezokpiraka
Silvercrys3467
zdtsd
And I still think all of his scumreads are town, with the possible exception of Riku. It's going to be tricky figuring out which of tom/Riku is EtR's buddy.
And I'm pretty clearly town, unless you want to argue that I've been preventing the Doctor from getting lynched since Day 2 because I like scumgames on hard mode.
1. Why do we necessarily believe Kami is neutral? Why can't he be mafia?
2. If we're in a situation where we lose the game if we lynch a town, and we must lynch a hostile, and we believe Kami is hostile, why not lynch Kami?
3. For those arguing Kami and vezok are both hostile, why would Kami slime vezok night 1?
Oh right, ok.
So let's talk about the delayer then. Delayer's almost certainly mafia, and we agree that Kami's not the delayer. For the sake of just making things easier, I'm going to rule out myself as well. I think we all at this point agree I'm town.
1. EtR
4. Rumanshi
5. Silvercrys3467 (repl. RE1031)
6. tomsloger
7. Vaimes
8. vezokpiraka
My theory is we can also rule out vezokpiraka. Remember that vezok has a night ability, to try to find Rhand, the Keymaster. I don't think it necessarily makes sense that he'd have two night abilities.
1. EtR
4. Rumanshi
5. Silvercrys3467 (repl. RE1031)
6. tomsloger
7. Vaimes
So two questions:
1. Why were there two people blocked that night?
2. Would it make sense for tomsloger and Vaimes - definitely Ghostbusters - to also have that night ability?
I honestly have no idea whether a scum Ghostbuster would have a secondary ability. I’d lean towards no, just because scum having ANY access to a Daykill is already pretty good for them.
As far as night actions go, do we know for sure that wolves can't kill and do another action? I think Vezok wolf basically requires that they can use another action and the kill at the same time.
Agree wolf loud tracker makes virtually no sense, though.
@Vaimes: I don't think you're particularly likely to be a wolf in a vacuum, just like, their third basically has to be you or Vezok or tom, and I can't really see tom as a Rodemy partner even if he's a fine EtR one.
was outed
But I really feel like EtR/tom is the answer.
But I also want to kill Riku.
In any case EtR has to die first so it’s a problem for future!us.
vote Rumanshi
None of my current slime targets targeted zdtsd. I believe that means that the NK had to come from [EtR, Highroller, Silver, Vaimes]. I'm just going to treat Highroller as lock town so [EtR, Silver, Vaimes] could have done it. That said, there is always a possibility that there's a Ninja out there to counter me.
Last Day end was unfortunate and I feel like I take some of the blame as I didn't realize how close we were to deadline. I should have checked closer to the end and moved my vote.
@Highroller: #2: I addressed this yesterDay but to reiterate: there are probably 3 scum still alive based on typical numbers. If we have a neutral, then the total composition of T-N-S is 4-1-3. Killing a neutral today, with the doctor gone, means a townie dies toNight guaranteed; next Day is 3-0-3, which is an instant Mafia victory. It's not just "don't kill Town"; it's "we MUST kill scum".
Killing a Neutral loses the game unless we had only 3 scum to start - which is implausible in a 16-person game.
EtR is still scum.
It is interesting that I've been considered to be top 2 for scum for the last few days and I haven't been slimed. Shouldn't someone want to track me? And why is it not believable that all of Rod's teammates were on his wagon? Like at this point I would consider it more likely even if you didn't know my alignment that they were all on his wagon.
That's fair. Granted, we could be dealing with a game that's just plain unbalanced, but you have a point.
1. EtR
4. Rumanshi
5. Silvercrys3467 (repl. RE1031)
6. tomsloger
7. Vaimes
EtR, Silver, and Ruma.
Dude, I'm way more to blame than you. Don't even worry about it.
I'd like other people to weigh in here. Are we sure about this?
Actually, that's a pretty good point. Kami, care to weigh in on this?
Rereading the Rodemy saga again.
Questions:
1. Vaimes, why did you vote Rodemy?
2. Rumanishi, so here's what I don't understand. You voted Rodemy on page 11:
and yet, in your subsequent posts, you defend him.
What gives here?
I voted Rod as an expression of my townread on Grape and willingness to support his Rod push.
Anyway im way out of snowboarding shape im gonna take a bath in bengay and think about thinking about this game...
Riku seems scummier to me, so I targeted him. I can't speak for why others haven't targeted EtR to spread the slime. Maybe they can't, maybe they don't want to.
I understood the argument being made. The argument being made was bullcrap. When you try to defend an argument that is bullcrap when someone is saying it's bullcrap, that means you're defending the person arguing it.
If you understood the argument being made, etc etc. I don't give a ***** about you. You can make sure someone understands a point without defending the person making the point. Now you can either continue being a dick, or you can make a point that is valid. Just trying to make sure people understand the point means **** all.
Were you trying to make sure people were understanding the point...
... or were you defending the point?
And the answer is no, that absolutely means you were defending Rodemy. Furthermore, there's no reason for you to have defended Rodemy's point, because Rodemy's point had no merit.
How could you defend the underlying argument without defending the one who argued it? Rodemy was under attack specifically because of the lack of validity of that argument.
So by your logic...
... shouldn't we be voting for you right now?