Basically, I didn't view his initial thing as a slip so I didn't believe that the push on him was valid because at the time it was pretty solely based on that. Towards the end of the day, I had blinders on. I kept lumping his scummy actions into a derpy play pile instead of taking it at face value. I think I was also turned off by the initial push against him because it felt... wrong? I've tried to find a good adjective but can't. Others I've tried are it felt heavy handed...it felt like it was gaming the system...it felt too forceful.
I just have difficulty understanding this. Rodemy called me out for posting the town win condition by saying it as against the rules. How is that not a slip? And yeah, it was a derp, but isn't that what a slip is?
Also, we've got to talk about this Kami being neutral thing. What reason do we have to even think that's true at this point?
Like, initially, a claim of Slimer would make sense as a neutral role, but after GOZER was town? Flavor clearly is not correlated to role, we've firmly established that.
I don’t reeeally care about possible neutrals toDay. It’s more or less proven he does have a tracking ability, and I’m not sure how that’s supposed to help a neutral win.
The self-block thing is weird but could just be a creative amalgamation, I dunno.
The only argument for Silver AND EtR being town is if the whole scumteam voted for Rod. That...doesn’t tend to happen when town’s tendency is to look for bussers after a scum lynch.
Highroller, Silver and I are cocooned. We probably won't be shot.
vezok, tom, and zdtsd are slimed.
As long as it isn't definitevely LyLo, we should not lynch any of those people because we'll get info from Kami slash potentailly get zdtsd's alignment.
That leaves EtR and Riku as the only two people I'm willing to lynch toDay.
ETR, Re, Rhand and Ruma in the mix. Or Zdtsd is lying about being delayed.
This is still true re: the Delayer and whoever performed the NK. That means there's potentially two scum in these three names. Which, given how yesterDay went, is a pretty strong indicator that EtR/Riku are the remaining scum.
And as much as I want to kill tom, I don't think he responds to DV's original post with "oh but one of the Ghostbusters could have made the kill" if he's actually scum.
So let's do this, since we probably aren't in any immediate danger.
With me/Silver/Highroller cocooned, scum will have to shoot in
vezok
zdtsd
Kamikaze
Riku
tom
EtR
zdtsd should target vezok. Everyone else would be a suboptimal kill for the mafia, either because it reveals zdtsd's alignment or because scum shoot a mislynchable villager.
I'll compromise on a Riku lynch. zdtsd is unlikely to get shot, and if he targets vezok, it means that in order to give the least information, mafia would have to shoot in
Kamikaze
tom
EtR
Mafia probably won't shoot Kamikaze because they don't know how his blocking ability works, so a tom/EtR shot is all they can really afford to take, which is perfect.
Decent chance that regardless of zdtsd's alignment, he can claim to be delayed and mafia will shoot vezok, but Kami will be able to track another person so whatever. If zdtsd says he's delayed, I'll probably just lynch him anyways because my patience is wearing thin.
Your Rodemy progression, lack of reassessment after his red flip, having your wagon derailed by a probable wolf partner in the eleventh hour, and being off of the Rodemy wagon with only known town off wagon otherwise. If there's a wolf that didn't bus Rodemy, it's 100% you.
The DV flip didn't change my view of the game state at all, I really don't know what to do at the moment besides keep wondering why we're neutral hunting instead of lynching wolves. If Kami is a neutral who defeats both teams, we're probably hosed either way, because even if we lynch him at this point we have to make consecutive wolf lynches to win (toMorrow is lylo). I'm fine gambling losing to a neutral given the extremely small probability of this occurring given site meta regarding neutrals with alternate win conditions in order to maximize lynching wolves.
So how is my lack of reassessment after Rod's death different than your lack of reassessment here?
???
Because I wanted to lynch you instead of DV and he flipped town, not scum?
What do you think has happened that should have changed my opinion on your alignment or my view of the game state (i.e. that the wolf team is you/Ruma/+1)?
Yes, I get them added to tracking pool immediately; the slime spreading is delayed one night.
I dislike designating zdtsd's target. If zdtsd is telling the truth, then hitting on the same night is a true doctor, not a bodyguard; the upside from that being a possibility, even at 1/N, is higher than the upside from constraining mafia targets.
I think it’s necessary given the risk of him being mislynched in LyLo if he’s town.
My goal is for him to prove his alignment, mostly by dying. Forcing the mafia to shoot someone undesirable would just be a bonus if it works out that way.
This is where we put all the vapors and entities and slimers that we trap. Quite simple, really. Load a trap here, open, unlock the system. Insert the trap, release, close, lock the system. Set your entry grid, neutralize your field and the light is green, the trap is clean. The ghost is incarcerated here in a custom-made storage facility.
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EtR and Highroller have both been prodded.
Additionally, Rumanshi hasn't responded to being prodded, so I am looking for a replacement. If he returns before a replacement is found, he may continue posting.
Trynna find a reason to say that lynching me isn't a smart idea, but like, I don't have one *shrugs*. I've played terribly. I will argue that I am not scum and lynching me is at best, gonna inform you that I am telling the truth about this, at worst gonna cost the game.
I will say earlier when I switched to D_V over ETR, I was trying to lynch ETR but I didn't think people would vote him, so I tried to manipulate the votes but it didn't work. Eh, it was a bad choice.
I will also try and look over the game to try and work stuff out, but I wouldn't expect much out of me
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
Trynna find a reason to say that lynching me isn't a smart idea, but like, I don't have one *shrugs*. I've played terribly. I will argue that I am not scum and lynching me is at best, gonna inform you that I am telling the truth about this, at worst gonna cost the game.
I will say earlier when I switched to D_V over ETR, I was trying to lynch ETR but I didn't think people would vote him, so I tried to manipulate the votes but it didn't work. Eh, it was a bad choice.
I will also try and look over the game to try and work stuff out, but I wouldn't expect much out of me
I really don't like this post. It doesn't sound like something that comes from town, especially with the AtE.
If Ruma is a wolf, EtR is his partner 98% of the time. Mostly because EtR is Just A Wolf.
EtR is still strongly a wolf if Ruma isn't. His partners are probably zdt / Vaimes or something else I don't really believe at the moment.
EtR wolf makes Ruma a wolf most of the time. EtR town... probably makes Ruma town, actually, I don't think there's a motive for wolf Ruma to derail the wagon off of town EtR the way he did. Team is something super weird in EtR town worlds. Almost has to be, like, zdt / Vaimes / Vezok or something?
Kami town / wolf doesn't change much for me. If he's town, lol, and if he's a wolf it just means he's probably EtR / Ruma's third. If he's a neutral there's very little chance we flat out lose to him. Wouldn't have made it past review. There's a chance him leaving the game creates parity and we lose to that, but lynching him doesn't help us much there, I don't think.
I'll lynch Ruma or EtR. Would rather not lynch Kami, but I'd vote him to avoid a no lynch.
I should be here for deadline, I'll move my vote to Ruma sometime tomorrow if I can't get traction on EtR.
Yeah, it's silver/tom. Silver didn't even mention the possibility of scun tom and is pushing etr and ruma in a horrible manner. He is just thirsty for a lynch.
Can we lynch silver today?
Damn why is everyone so scummy.
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@HR: Riku gives almost no associatives and 2 is N/A for me. EtR scumflip makes me like Silver better, I think, and like vezok less for that last pivot right there.
Yeah, it's silver/tom. Silver didn't even mention the possibility of scun tom and is pushing etr and ruma in a horrible manner. He is just thirsty for a lynch.
Can we lynch silver today?
Damn why is everyone so scummy.
vote silver
I mean, tom could be scum, but you'd have to explain all that Rodemy spew. I didn't mention Highroller scum worlds, either. I believe in those worlds less than I believe in EtR/Ruma worlds. Yeah, they're technically possible, but if Rodemy and Tom interacted like that as wolf partners...
I've been trying to get EtR lynched since yesterDay when I cased him. Do you think something has happened that makes him town?
So, if we're seriously considering the possibility that we're in lynch or lose here, and there seems to be widespread agreement that KamikazeArchon is not town, then why is it that KamikazeArchon would not be the lynch today?
See, that's the thing I'm having a hard time understanding. There's the argument that KamikazeArchon is neutral, so if Kami's not town, and we need to not lynch a town today, why would we not vote Kami, again?
Also, it just seems weird to me how little people are questioning accepting Kami as neutral/not lynching him at this juncture.
It is almost certain that Rodemy was bussed. Therefore the lynch should be one of the following people: Highroller, vezok, Kami, ztdsd, Ruma, tom, Vaimes
I mean, tom could be scum, but you'd have to explain all that Rodemy spew. I didn't mention Highroller scum worlds, either. I believe in those worlds less than I believe in EtR/Ruma worlds. Yeah, they're technically possible, but if Rodemy and Tom interacted like that as wolf partners...
thats a lot of stock to put in to interactions between two people that are wildly unpredictable and good at interacting.
Yeah, it's silver/tom. Silver didn't even mention the possibility of scun tom and is pushing etr and ruma in a horrible manner. He is just thirsty for a lynch.
Can we lynch silver today?
Damn why is everyone so scummy.
vote silver
I mean, tom could be scum, but you'd have to explain all that Rodemy spew. I didn't mention Highroller scum worlds, either. I believe in those worlds less than I believe in EtR/Ruma worlds. Yeah, they're technically possible, but if Rodemy and Tom interacted like that as wolf partners...
I've been trying to get EtR lynched since yesterDay when I cased him. Do you think something has happened that makes him town?
Can you show what interactions you are talking about? I only remember typical scum-scum interactions between the two, or at least nothing outside their range.
tom/silver or tom/etr worlds make the most sense to me, but tom isn't as scummiest as a ton of other people so I don't have that much faith there.
I don't know who I want to lynch today, because nobody is really discussing anything. Vaimes is still MIA.
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1. It makes no sense for more than one Ghostbuster to be mafia. The Ghostbusters require two working in tandem to kill someone. Two mafia Ghostbusters would definitely give them control of one day kill and would very likely give them control over both. Therefore, it’s almost certain that at least two of Highroller, Vaimes, and tomsloger are town.
2. I’m willing to risk being wrong in saying that EtR and KamikazeArchon are not both mafia together.
3. Rodemy was almost certainly bussed. Final vote count was: Highroller, vezok, Kami, Fuwa, Ruma, Tubba, tom, Grape, Vaimes.
Removing the dead: Highroller, vezok, Kami, Fuwa/zdtsd, Ruma, tom, Vaimes.
4. We had 8 players, more than half the total players at the time, assent to a Terry day kill: tomsloger, Vaimes, Highroller, Rhand, KamikazeArchon, vezokpiraka, D_V, and EtR.
Removing the dead, that’s: tomsloger, Vaimes, Highroller, KamikazeArchon, vezokpiraka, and EtR.
It is worth noting that EtR assented after we’d clinched Terry’s day kill numbers.
People who were not supporting day killing Terry: Terry, Tubba, Ruma, RE/Silver, Fuwa/zdtsd
Removing the dead, that’s: Ruma, Silver, zdtsd.
Unless we’re arguing that Ruma, Silver, and zdtsd are the three remaining hostiles, there was at least one hostile on the train for Terry.
5. Overlap between the two bandwagons: Highroller, vezok, Kami, tomsloger, Vaimes.
6. What do we know about the delayer?
Almost certainly mafia
D_V was delayed Night 1.
ztdsd was allegedly delayed as well on Night 1.
TubbaFett was delayed Night 2.
Potential people who could be the delayer: Well, the entire player base.
BUT we know for a fact that Vaimes, tomsloger, and I are Ghostbusters. So that makes it less likely. Leaving:
So, immediate question: who had a night action that went through Day 1 or Day 2?
Because the problem is that this delaying ability is either targeted or it’s global. I doubt you get two targets at once. For it to be recurring, it makes little sense for it to be a global ability. And of course, neither D_V or Tubba would have any reason to lie.
I first thought Rodemy made a single post with the blunder, but it was actually two separate posts. I thought Rodemy as town could have made those two posts (he does weird things) so I jumped off to see more from him. Rodemy is easily wagoned and I didn't really want to start an easy wagon, but I changed my mind after more from him.
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Agree with highrollers reasoning there is never more than 1 scum ghostbuster, but also highroller and vaimes are my top two town aorn so its prolly just 0.
Lynching kami is definitely not a bad thing. The chances of him being actual town are pretty slim. As are the chances of him being actual mafia with his role being loud and his general play (aka not townie per se but never seemed like he had inside info or teammates).
But that may not matter if we mislynch today and he can just win by scumsiding tommorrow.
Would definitely rather just aim for a wolf. And theres very likely 2 in [zdt/silver/ruma]
I'm back. I had an emergency medical issue that got me laid up for a few days.
I'll be around today/tonight for the deadline. I am willing to vote:
ZD, Vez, Ruma and Silver to end the day. Silver is looking more and more like the right choice in my opinion though.
Unvote ZD; Vote Silver
This post is wack
I'm back. I had an emergency medical issue that got me laid up for a few days.
I'll be around today/tonight for the deadline. I am willing to vote:
ZD, Vez, Ruma and Silver to end the day. Silver is looking more and more like the right choice in my opinion though.
If Ruma is a wolf, EtR is his partner 98% of the time. Mostly because EtR is Just A Wolf.
EtR is still strongly a wolf if Ruma isn't. His partners are probably zdt / Vaimes or something else I don't really believe at the moment.
EtR wolf makes Ruma a wolf most of the time. EtR town... probably makes Ruma town, actually, I don't think there's a motive for wolf Ruma to derail the wagon off of town EtR the way he did. Team is something super weird in EtR town worlds. Almost has to be, like, zdt / Vaimes / Vezok or something?
Kami town / wolf doesn't change much for me. If he's town, lol, and if he's a wolf it just means he's probably EtR / Ruma's third. If he's a neutral there's very little chance we flat out lose to him. Wouldn't have made it past review. There's a chance him leaving the game creates parity and we lose to that, but lynching him doesn't help us much there, I don't think.
I'll lynch Ruma or EtR. Would rather not lynch Kami, but I'd vote him to avoid a no lynch.
I should be here for deadline, I'll move my vote to Ruma sometime tomorrow if I can't get traction on EtR.
I mean it is a little bit, but it's all predicated on me being scum, but the conclusions he's trying to draw between Ruma and myself don't make a lot of sense to me.
I mean it is a little bit, but it's all predicated on me being scum, but the conclusions he's trying to draw between Ruma and myself don't make a lot of sense to me.
Okay, that seems like a longer way of saying "it's wack"? Do you have any specific conclusion or thought there that you think is unreasonable?
I am really concerned that Riku:
* Hasn't contributed significantly to anything in the game
* Has been naked-voting or voting with minimal explanation throughout the game
* Has been an acknowledged concern off-and-on by various people for most of the game
* Is losing momentum once again?
And that kind of post is exactly why I think your mafia rather than tpr Kami. You were believed to be tpr and never denied it, but then you pretend as though you have towns best interests at heart. *shrugs*. It's a stupid theory but meh. I'm not great at thinking.
I don't deny being completely irrelevant, and am more than understanding if I get lynched. Just don't expect anything other than disappointment in me when I flip :(.
I do agree that trying to tie me and ETR together in the way silver did is incredibly scummy. It just doesn't make sense for a town mindset. So I will support a lynch on silver.
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Reviewed rodemy. Still going to ignore the role-pm thing on principle. There's nothing particularly actively bad in the rest of his posts, but there is something missing. When playing with town!Rodemy before, he felt very aggressive. I don't see that here.
Vezok is also on rodemy. That's interesting. It means I am happy to focus on those two today, as a flip on either will give us interaction analysis on the other.
unvote vote Rodemy
We're looking for a mafia who bussed Rodemy. This post stands out to me. In particular, you said that Rodemy had done nothing particularly actively bad. Rodemy had voted for himself prior to this statement. Wanting to understand your frame of mind here.
Yeah, it's silver/tom. Silver didn't even mention the possibility of scun tom and is pushing etr and ruma in a horrible manner. He is just thirsty for a lynch.
Can we lynch silver today?
Damn why is everyone so scummy.
vote silver
I mean, tom could be scum, but you'd have to explain all that Rodemy spew. I didn't mention Highroller scum worlds, either. I believe in those worlds less than I believe in EtR/Ruma worlds. Yeah, they're technically possible, but if Rodemy and Tom interacted like that as wolf partners...
I've been trying to get EtR lynched since yesterDay when I cased him. Do you think something has happened that makes him town?
Can you show what interactions you are talking about? I only remember typical scum-scum interactions between the two, or at least nothing outside their range.
tom/silver or tom/etr worlds make the most sense to me, but tom isn't as scummiest as a ton of other people so I don't have that much faith there.
I don't know who I want to lynch today, because nobody is really discussing anything. Vaimes is still MIA.
"I believe tom is scum, according to the worlds I've narrowed down, but I don't want to vote him."
I don't want to kill Silver. He is useful for potentially telling us zdtsd's role.
I don't want to kill Kami. He is useful for potentially tracking the kill.
Everyone went from wanting to kill EtR to not wanting to kill him for literally no reason. Nothing has changed! DV died and that changed NOTHING, except maybe obliterating our chances of winning, and making me wish I could kick vezok's ass through the internet. Can you tell I'm still mad about that? "hey how about I just kill myself and help the scumteam!" There has not been a single thing more awful this game than a completely free, no strings attached mislynch, nor has anything GOOD even come out of that mess. I'm just completely lost for words about how frustrated I am, at DV, at Riku, at myself, and I just want to kill EtR and go from there.
Unvote, vote EtR
Also, Rod was probably bussed by tom, but who cares because we're just gonna end up lynching all the scummy villagers before we get the chance to kill him. I like Highroller's point about scum not having more than one Ghostbuster because it would give them way more control over the kills, and for reasons that are not at all based on facts and logic, I think Cantrip would get a kick out of having 1/4 of the Ghostbusters be scum, just so that scum have a chance at not being completely ****ed.
Of course I could be completely wrong on zdtsd, god knows he isn't doing the slot any favors, but I'm riding on gut feelings here. For as much substance as there is in this game, there is a vanishingly small amount that makes me even remotely confident that ANYONE in this game has a town role PM. Highroller is on thin ******* ice for chasing DV around for however many months it took for him to just DECIDE to die.
I wish there were a healthier way for me to outlet how annoyed I am without being a huge pill and yelling at all of you, but being pulled in twelve different directions to lynch someone is just plain exhausting. DV isn't here to self-vote, so let's kill EtR like we were supposed to.
I mean it is a little bit, but it's all predicated on me being scum, but the conclusions he's trying to draw between Ruma and myself don't make a lot of sense to me.
I'm saying if you're a wolf, Ruma probably is too for derailing your wagon and if you're town, wolf!Ruma doesn't have much incentive to stick his neck out and derail it to lynch DV when he was muddying the waters so much.
Like, if you *are* town, what is my wolf motivation here? I'm throwing away a mislynch I probably need after you flip (unless I'm Ruma's partner, I guess?).
Since you aren't town, lol, but like. What's actually hard to understand about my read here?
@Vezok: Rodemy's iso is super short and he talks to and about nearly no one other than Tom and Highroller. Suggest you give it a quick skim because I'm not going to have to mine it for quotes before deadline.
Also, we've got to talk about this Kami being neutral thing. What reason do we have to even think that's true at this point?
Like, initially, a claim of Slimer would make sense as a neutral role, but after GOZER was town? Flavor clearly is not correlated to role, we've firmly established that.
The self-block thing is weird but could just be a creative amalgamation, I dunno.
vezok, tom, and zdtsd are slimed.
As long as it isn't definitevely LyLo, we should not lynch any of those people because we'll get info from Kami slash potentailly get zdtsd's alignment.
That leaves EtR and Riku as the only two people I'm willing to lynch toDay.
Rhandand Ruma in the mix. Or Zdtsd is lying about being delayed.This is still true re: the Delayer and whoever performed the NK. That means there's potentially two scum in these three names. Which, given how yesterDay went, is a pretty strong indicator that EtR/Riku are the remaining scum.
Wagon on Kamikaze is a no no.
Could easily be wrong about that tho.
Zdt/silver over ruma/etr though imo
So let's do this, since we probably aren't in any immediate danger.
With me/Silver/Highroller cocooned, scum will have to shoot in
vezok
zdtsd
Kamikaze
Riku
tom
EtR
zdtsd should target vezok. Everyone else would be a suboptimal kill for the mafia, either because it reveals zdtsd's alignment or because scum shoot a mislynchable villager.
I'll compromise on a Riku lynch. zdtsd is unlikely to get shot, and if he targets vezok, it means that in order to give the least information, mafia would have to shoot in
Kamikaze
tom
EtR
Mafia probably won't shoot Kamikaze because they don't know how his blocking ability works, so a tom/EtR shot is all they can really afford to take, which is perfect.
Decent chance that regardless of zdtsd's alignment, he can claim to be delayed and mafia will shoot vezok, but Kami will be able to track another person so whatever. If zdtsd says he's delayed, I'll probably just lynch him anyways because my patience is wearing thin.
Unvote, vote Riku
vote ruma
Kami (3): vezok, Ruma, zdtsd
Ruma (3): kami, vaimes, tom
Zdtsd (1): EtR
EtR (1): Silver
Not Voting (1): Highroller
Because I wanted to lynch you instead of DV and he flipped town, not scum?
What do you think has happened that should have changed my opinion on your alignment or my view of the game state (i.e. that the wolf team is you/Ruma/+1)?
Yes, I get them added to tracking pool immediately; the slime spreading is delayed one night.
I dislike designating zdtsd's target. If zdtsd is telling the truth, then hitting on the same night is a true doctor, not a bodyguard; the upside from that being a possibility, even at 1/N, is higher than the upside from constraining mafia targets.
My goal is for him to prove his alignment, mostly by dying. Forcing the mafia to shoot someone undesirable would just be a bonus if it works out that way.
Speculating on what Mafia will do in a place Mafia can see it doesn't seem good.
I will target whoever I think needs to be in LyLo, not necessarily Vezok(could be though).
Deal with it.
vote Etr
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But will be checking in to make sure we dont no lynch
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EtR (2): Silvercrys3467, vezokpiraka
KamikazeArchon (2): Rumanshi, zdtsd
zdtsd (1): EtR
Rumanshi (3): KamikazeArchon, Vaimes, tomsloger
Not Voting (1): Highroller
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch!
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I will say earlier when I switched to D_V over ETR, I was trying to lynch ETR but I didn't think people would vote him, so I tried to manipulate the votes but it didn't work. Eh, it was a bad choice.
I will also try and look over the game to try and work stuff out, but I wouldn't expect much out of me
I really don't like this post. It doesn't sound like something that comes from town, especially with the AtE.
Deal with it.
1. If Riku flips mafia, who do you think is mafia?
If Riku flips town, who do you think is mafia?
2. Same with KamikazeArchon?
3. Same with EtR?
EtR is still strongly a wolf if Ruma isn't. His partners are probably zdt / Vaimes or something else I don't really believe at the moment.
EtR wolf makes Ruma a wolf most of the time. EtR town... probably makes Ruma town, actually, I don't think there's a motive for wolf Ruma to derail the wagon off of town EtR the way he did. Team is something super weird in EtR town worlds. Almost has to be, like, zdt / Vaimes / Vezok or something?
Kami town / wolf doesn't change much for me. If he's town, lol, and if he's a wolf it just means he's probably EtR / Ruma's third. If he's a neutral there's very little chance we flat out lose to him. Wouldn't have made it past review. There's a chance him leaving the game creates parity and we lose to that, but lynching him doesn't help us much there, I don't think.
I'll lynch Ruma or EtR. Would rather not lynch Kami, but I'd vote him to avoid a no lynch.
I should be here for deadline, I'll move my vote to Ruma sometime tomorrow if I can't get traction on EtR.
Can we lynch silver today?
Damn why is everyone so scummy.
vote silver
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I guess etr/ruma/zdt have me pretty high town too
Lets wagon
vote silver
Silver (2): vez, tom
Kami (2): Ruma, zdtsd
Ruma (2): Kami, Vaimes
EtR (1): Silver
zdtsd (1): EtR
Not Voting (1): Highroller
I've been trying to get EtR lynched since yesterDay when I cased him. Do you think something has happened that makes him town?
So, if we're seriously considering the possibility that we're in lynch or lose here, and there seems to be widespread agreement that KamikazeArchon is not town, then why is it that KamikazeArchon would not be the lynch today?
See, that's the thing I'm having a hard time understanding. There's the argument that KamikazeArchon is neutral, so if Kami's not town, and we need to not lynch a town today, why would we not vote Kami, again?
Also, it just seems weird to me how little people are questioning accepting Kami as neutral/not lynching him at this juncture.
It is almost certain that Rodemy was bussed. Therefore the lynch should be one of the following people: Highroller, vezok, Kami, ztdsd, Ruma, tom, Vaimes
Not buying a vote on EtR or Silver.
Can you show what interactions you are talking about? I only remember typical scum-scum interactions between the two, or at least nothing outside their range.
tom/silver or tom/etr worlds make the most sense to me, but tom isn't as scummiest as a ton of other people so I don't have that much faith there.
I don't know who I want to lynch today, because nobody is really discussing anything. Vaimes is still MIA.
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1. It makes no sense for more than one Ghostbuster to be mafia. The Ghostbusters require two working in tandem to kill someone. Two mafia Ghostbusters would definitely give them control of one day kill and would very likely give them control over both. Therefore, it’s almost certain that at least two of Highroller, Vaimes, and tomsloger are town.
2. I’m willing to risk being wrong in saying that EtR and KamikazeArchon are not both mafia together.
3. Rodemy was almost certainly bussed. Final vote count was: Highroller, vezok, Kami, Fuwa, Ruma, Tubba, tom, Grape, Vaimes.
Removing the dead: Highroller, vezok, Kami, Fuwa/zdtsd, Ruma, tom, Vaimes.
4. We had 8 players, more than half the total players at the time, assent to a Terry day kill: tomsloger, Vaimes, Highroller, Rhand, KamikazeArchon, vezokpiraka, D_V, and EtR.
Removing the dead, that’s: tomsloger, Vaimes, Highroller, KamikazeArchon, vezokpiraka, and EtR.
It is worth noting that EtR assented after we’d clinched Terry’s day kill numbers.
People who were not supporting day killing Terry: Terry, Tubba, Ruma, RE/Silver, Fuwa/zdtsd
Removing the dead, that’s: Ruma, Silver, zdtsd.
Unless we’re arguing that Ruma, Silver, and zdtsd are the three remaining hostiles, there was at least one hostile on the train for Terry.
5. Overlap between the two bandwagons: Highroller, vezok, Kami, tomsloger, Vaimes.
6. What do we know about the delayer?
Almost certainly mafia
D_V was delayed Night 1.
ztdsd was allegedly delayed as well on Night 1.
TubbaFett was delayed Night 2.
Potential people who could be the delayer: Well, the entire player base.
BUT we know for a fact that Vaimes, tomsloger, and I are Ghostbusters. So that makes it less likely. Leaving:
1. EtR
3. KamikazeArchon
4. Rumanshi
5. Silvercrys3467 (repl. RE1031)
8. vezokpiraka
9. zdtsd (repl. Fuwa)
If zdtsd is telling the truth about being delayed:
1. EtR
3. KamikazeArchon
4. Rumanshi
5. Silvercrys3467 (repl. RE1031)
8. vezokpiraka
So, immediate question: who had a night action that went through Day 1 or Day 2?
Because the problem is that this delaying ability is either targeted or it’s global. I doubt you get two targets at once. For it to be recurring, it makes little sense for it to be a global ability. And of course, neither D_V or Tubba would have any reason to lie.
7. Two dog piles day two:
Rick: tomsloger, Rhand (confirmed town), D_V (confirmed town), vezok
zdtsd: tomsloger, D_V (confirmed town), vezok, Vaimes, EtR
Not sure what to make of these, to be honest. Nor do I know what to make of the
8. Hey vezokpiraka? Why did you vote Rodemy post 144 and then unvote 151?
Gotta go with my instincts here: vote KamikazeArchon.
I first thought Rodemy made a single post with the blunder, but it was actually two separate posts. I thought Rodemy as town could have made those two posts (he does weird things) so I jumped off to see more from him. Rodemy is easily wagoned and I didn't really want to start an easy wagon, but I changed my mind after more from him.
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And Rick is Riku, sorry, autocorrect.
Lynching kami is definitely not a bad thing. The chances of him being actual town are pretty slim. As are the chances of him being actual mafia with his role being loud and his general play (aka not townie per se but never seemed like he had inside info or teammates).
But that may not matter if we mislynch today and he can just win by scumsiding tommorrow.
Would definitely rather just aim for a wolf. And theres very likely 2 in [zdt/silver/ruma]
Also, LyLo means you have to kill scum, not just "not town". If we were at LyLo, and if I were neutral, killing me here would still lose the game.
I'll be around today/tonight for the deadline. I am willing to vote:
ZD, Vez, Ruma and Silver to end the day. Silver is looking more and more like the right choice in my opinion though.
Unvote ZD; Vote Silver
This post is wack
I'm back. I had an emergency medical issue that got me laid up for a few days.
I'll be around today/tonight for the deadline. I am willing to vote:
ZD, Vez, Ruma and Silver to end the day. Silver is looking more and more like the right choice in my opinion though.
Unvote ZD; Vote Silver
That silver post is so wack.
What's wack about the post? Your reaction seems a lot like OMGUS.
I am really concerned that Riku:
* Hasn't contributed significantly to anything in the game
* Has been naked-voting or voting with minimal explanation throughout the game
* Has been an acknowledged concern off-and-on by various people for most of the game
* Is losing momentum once again?
I don't deny being completely irrelevant, and am more than understanding if I get lynched. Just don't expect anything other than disappointment in me when I flip :(.
I do agree that trying to tie me and ETR together in the way silver did is incredibly scummy. It just doesn't make sense for a town mindset. So I will support a lynch on silver.
vote:silver
KamikazeArchon, I would like you to comment on this post:
We're looking for a mafia who bussed Rodemy. This post stands out to me. In particular, you said that Rodemy had done nothing particularly actively bad. Rodemy had voted for himself prior to this statement. Wanting to understand your frame of mind here.
??????????????????????????
I'm gonna take Riku's pity party at face value. I've lapped being pissed off at him so many times that I'm cruising on apathy.
I'm like. Wildly convinced tom is scum. Votes, wagons, behavior, general tom-ness. It just feels like it fits.
Everything else is putty.
I don't want to kill Silver. He is useful for potentially telling us zdtsd's role.
I don't want to kill Kami. He is useful for potentially tracking the kill.
Everyone went from wanting to kill EtR to not wanting to kill him for literally no reason. Nothing has changed! DV died and that changed NOTHING, except maybe obliterating our chances of winning, and making me wish I could kick vezok's ass through the internet. Can you tell I'm still mad about that? "hey how about I just kill myself and help the scumteam!" There has not been a single thing more awful this game than a completely free, no strings attached mislynch, nor has anything GOOD even come out of that mess. I'm just completely lost for words about how frustrated I am, at DV, at Riku, at myself, and I just want to kill EtR and go from there.
Unvote, vote EtR
Also, Rod was probably bussed by tom, but who cares because we're just gonna end up lynching all the scummy villagers before we get the chance to kill him. I like Highroller's point about scum not having more than one Ghostbuster because it would give them way more control over the kills, and for reasons that are not at all based on facts and logic, I think Cantrip would get a kick out of having 1/4 of the Ghostbusters be scum, just so that scum have a chance at not being completely ****ed.
Of course I could be completely wrong on zdtsd, god knows he isn't doing the slot any favors, but I'm riding on gut feelings here. For as much substance as there is in this game, there is a vanishingly small amount that makes me even remotely confident that ANYONE in this game has a town role PM. Highroller is on thin ******* ice for chasing DV around for however many months it took for him to just DECIDE to die.
I wish there were a healthier way for me to outlet how annoyed I am without being a huge pill and yelling at all of you, but being pulled in twelve different directions to lynch someone is just plain exhausting. DV isn't here to self-vote, so let's kill EtR like we were supposed to.
Votes at:
Kami (2): zdtsd, highroller
Silver (4): vez, tom, etr, ruma
Ruma (1): Kami
EtR (2): Silver, vaimes
Seems fine. Guess ill figure out why vaimes thinks im scum tomorrow or something
Preferred lynches silver>zdt>ruma>kami aorn. Would vote any of them plus etr over a no lynch
Etc
I'm here, willing to vote pretty much anyone at this point but still think EtR's alignment is the key piece here.
Like, if you *are* town, what is my wolf motivation here? I'm throwing away a mislynch I probably need after you flip (unless I'm Ruma's partner, I guess?).
Since you aren't town, lol, but like. What's actually hard to understand about my read here?
@Vezok: Rodemy's iso is super short and he talks to and about nearly no one other than Tom and Highroller. Suggest you give it a quick skim because I'm not going to have to mine it for quotes before deadline.
Is there even anyone else here or am I just screaming into the void? We have less than an hour, right?