@Vaimes
I don’t expect the scum team to lynch themselves. Of the two viable wagons going right now, I’m of mixed minds.
I guess I would lean towards D_V, I feel like a player with his style would be doing more than arguing in circles. I’d prefer a Vez flip to be honest, but my teambuilding isn’t very strong and if Vez’s scum, I think it’s with D_V.
Consider my vote on D_V, but I want to reserve judgement for now.
Yeah... pretty sure EtR and DV aren't wolves together lol.
What makes you rule that out?
Theater is a thing, but that isn't what theater usually looks like. Especially from EtR's end, like, I don't know him very well but my impression of the sort of player he is says he isn't really into the overly emotional distancing stuff.
I guess they could have day chat and it was all coordinated but [warning, modgaming] I don't think Cantrip usually gives wolves day chat. His last two games were night chat only.
Like, if you think my read on EtR's playstyle is wrong or that they do have day chat or something, I'm all ears. I did follow up that statement with a request for more information from people who disagree.
@Vaimes
I don’t expect the scum team to lynch themselves. Of the two viable wagons going right now, I’m of mixed minds.
I guess I would lean towards D_V, I feel like a player with his style would be doing more than arguing in circles. I’d prefer a Vez flip to be honest, but my teambuilding isn’t very strong and if Vez’s scum, I think it’s with D_V.
Consider my vote on D_V, but I want to reserve judgement for now.
You've uh. Been reserving judgement for the past two weeks.
Like I'm not really trying to bully you into voting right this second.
Just...in general...please use your vote more. It makes it that much easier to tell the difference between frozen scum and indecisive town.
I can understand that, but I don’t know if we’re going to get anymore out of the day and I’m hesitant to put someone at L-1 until we’ve had a chance to look at everything. If the consensus is that we’re ready, I’ll vote.
Like I'm not really trying to bully you into voting right this second.
Just...in general...please use your vote more. It makes it that much easier to tell the difference between frozen scum and indecisive town.
I can understand that, but I don’t know if we’re going to get anymore out of the day and I’m hesitant to put someone at L-1 until we’ve had a chance to look at everything. If the consensus is that we’re ready, I’ll vote.
Correct me if I'm wrong on this obviously, but since the last official vote count (page 39), I've counted two changes of vote (Rumanishi and Silvercrys3467).
I can understand that, but I don’t know if we’re going to get anymore out of the day and I’m hesitant to put someone at L-1 until we’ve had a chance to look at everything. If the consensus is that we’re ready, I’ll vote.
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I'd appreciate being able to leave a legacy, but I'm very busy right now.
Somebody vote me at 12 hours remaining if I don't post again.
Right now I'm trying to parse through some thoughts not sure how much will be developed since I'm really god damn busy.
Things right now I'll say I'd be damn well surprised if this is a full town wagon on me.
@Tom if you are town then once I flip never vote ztstd again. Please for the love of god just accept that I'm the better town and that he is town.
Also nobody vote Vez.
Silver is a good place to start tomorrow so is ETR.
I think Vaimes is decently town once he started playing.
Tubba is questionable to me. I think he could be scum, but I wouldn't attempt to lynch him tomorrow.
If Tom goes back on zdtstd power lynch him for me.(Oh also Tom if you're town and go back on zdtsd I'll call you old sport for the entire next game we play )
Ruma stay golden, keep ******* around. I think you're town but like IDK man hard for me to read you this game.
Hopefully HR stops flavor gaming after this?
ETR is pretty scummy, hopefully people figure that out. Tom's defense doesn't look good to me, for example when I said wishy washy he construes that as "Well he is consistent", but like its all neutral reads and null reads that is the very definition of wishy washy.
Also I was lost this game so yeah I did go around in circles. Not sure how that makes me scum though, but ehhh. I think the entire case on me is poor, and I think me calling people out on that is pretty typical. Not really sure what any of the case is on me or why anyone thinks its convincing, but this is the town that lynched Terry over ????? I still don't know.
I think we are losing this game, but maybe a miracle happens.
GL if I don't post again. My best advice to town is to think about my lynch and the Terry lynch. The cases have been really poor. Purpose = Behavior = Reason, gotta have some reason for people to do something as scum.
You are a liability to the town. Why would you derail the EtR wagon so close to a deadline? I was going to try to convince people to get on it later today.
I just don't want you in the game any more. I'm usually against lynching town, but I'll make an exception.
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You are a liability to the town. Why would you derail the EtR wagon so close to a deadline? I was going to try to convince people to get on it later today.
I just don't want you in the game any more. I'm usually against lynching town, but I'll make an exception.
Well, here’s to hoping DV is scum
and the past two Days have just been one big mind****.
I'm not.
Vez being frustrated is well don't hold it against him.
Wish I could have left a legacy like I had asked to be able to do. ETR lynch didn't seem likely though. Tuba was on me and Tom wasn't going to vote ETR and ztdstd has gone awol.
Uhhh.
Oh yeah for claim purposes, I actually had 2 shots of the role reveal but didn't want to claim that because that seemed scummy.
You are a liability to the town. Why would you derail the EtR wagon so close to a deadline? I was going to try to convince people to get on it later today.
I just don't want you in the game any more. I'm usually against lynching town, but I'll make an exception.
Also derail?
Have you looked at the game?
I was getting lynched today, I figured I'd in good faith make sure so I got to have some time to write tomorrow, but you went ahead and ruined that so thanks.
Yeah I have no idea what that lynch even was. If EtR is a wolf Ruma is probably lockscum for derailing his wagon though, he was at L-1 before Ruma shifted to DV.
Vote: EtR
I'll probably return to the Rodemy wagon later with the new flips but pretty sure it's EtR/Ruma. Last wolf is in [Vaimes / Vezok / Kami] by wagonomics, I think. Mmm.
Yeah I have no idea what that lynch even was. If EtR is a wolf Ruma is probably lockscum for derailing his wagon though, he was at L-1 before Ruma shifted to DV.
Vote: EtR
I'll probably return to the Rodemy wagon later with the new flips but pretty sure it's EtR/Ruma. Last wolf is in [Vaimes / Vezok / Kami] by wagonomics, I think. Mmm.
I doubt that Ruma as scum knows that his vote will derail the wagon. And way to ignore tom who's been clamouring for EtR town for no real reason.
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Last two days wagons were [unflipped people] vs [DV who decided to spend a full month personally ensuring we didnt have a chance to lynch scum]
The only successful scum lynch with a bunch of dead townies in the vote count? I haven't done any others yet. If there's two on Rodemy and one off wagon it's pretty much exactly EtR + 2 on wagon and Ruma's derailment of EtR's wagon and likely bus vote on Rodemy is, like, pretty lock IMO.
@Vezok why do you think Ruma wouldn't know that transferring wagons to the counterwagon a day before deadline kills the leading wagon?
Last two days wagons were [unflipped people] vs [DV who decided to spend a full month personally ensuring we didnt have a chance to lynch scum]
The only successful scum lynch with a bunch of dead townies in the vote count? I haven't done any others yet. If there's two on Rodemy and one off wagon it's pretty much exactly EtR + 2 on wagon and Ruma's derailment of EtR's wagon and likely bus vote on Rodemy is, like, pretty lock IMO.
@Vezok why do you think Ruma wouldn't know that transferring wagons to the counterwagon a day before deadline kills the leading wagon?
Previous play experience with ruma. He is not the type of guy who makes rational decisions.
Also I don't agree with your assessment that he derailed the Etr wagon. Etr was viable up until DV voted himself.
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OK so I have decided to NOT announce who I have cocooned.
With 3 people already cocooned, the information gained from my death is negligible, so I will only claim if the person is targeted by an NK.
Plus this means scum cannot play around my ability.
Why have you not protected tubba?
Why would you not claim? It's not like scum can't kill someone already coconeed and win the game instanly? Right now, assuming there are 4 scum, they can kill someone you cocooned and you die. That's enough to go from LyLo to win.
I'm starting to think you might be scum.
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Vezok, why do you think there are 4 scum? that would require 5 scum total in the game, which is a lot. I didn't protect Tubba because I found my protection target slightly townier.
D_V's actions were erratic, inscrutable, and completely counterproductive to the town, to the point where I - who believed he was mafia - couldn't possibly imagine he was town because how the hell could this guy be town, and vezok - who believed he was town - didn't even care if he was town, because he was that much of a liability.
Vezok, why do you think there are 4 scum? that would require 5 scum total in the game, which is a lot. I didn't protect Tubba because I found my protection target slightly townier.
Assuming you're telling the truth about the second nightkill.
Which, explain this to me, because I want to make sure I have this right: Are you saying that in addition to the nightkill we see each night, there's been an additional nightkill attempt every night so far and you've successfully protected against it? Each night?
If zdt is town he should definitely not claim his target.
1. IF
2. If zdtsd is telling the truth about someone else nightkilling each night, and that person still has a nightkill tonight, then today is the last chance for the town. We need to lynch a hostile today. There should be no information withheld.
If zdt is town he should definitely not claim his target.
Also
@kami any change on your read there after sliming?
Why? By my count, highroller is already cocooned It's absolutely irrelevant if the scum know another target or not.
Let me break it down for you, because ztd hasn't understand a thing asking me why I think the mafia have 5 members. Assuming there were 4 mafia in the beginning (not implausible although it matters a lot if KA is neutral or scum), we lynched one so now there are 3. 9 - 1 lynch (assume town) = 8 during the night. Shoot highroller and ztd dies => 6 during the day mafia win automatically.
It is absolutely irrelevant if mafia know ztd new target or not and the only people who are suffering from it are the town for lack of information. Or mabe you think lynching highroller is the correct play then I guess God have mercy on your soul.
We really have to discuss the KA situation today. If he is neutral, he kinda screws us over by tomorrow (he still didn't say if his wincon is compatible with the town's so I assume it isn't) by adding another member to the mafia vote block. Or maybe he simply wins and ends the game.
@Vaimes: Come here and help solve the game. Stop flopping around.
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D_V's actions were erratic, inscrutable, and completely counterproductive to the town, to the point where I - who believed he was mafia - couldn't possibly imagine he was town because how the hell could this guy be town, and vezok - who believed he was town - didn't even care if he was town, because he was that much of a liability.
Vezok, why do you think there are 4 scum? that would require 5 scum total in the game, which is a lot. I didn't protect Tubba because I found my protection target slightly townier.
Assuming you're telling the truth about the second nightkill.
Which, explain this to me, because I want to make sure I have this right: Are you saying that in addition to the nightkill we see each night, there's been an additional nightkill attempt every night so far and you've successfully protected against it? Each night?
Why don't you claim your protection target?
No, I never said that.
None of my protection targets have been targeted by an NK.
Also does ANYBODY understand my role?
Vezok, if someone cocooned would be NKed, then I die INSTEAD, not in ADDITION. So the only thing me keeping this secret does is have a chance to prevent Mafia from doing what they want, with no repercussions for town.
I don’t expect the scum team to lynch themselves. Of the two viable wagons going right now, I’m of mixed minds.
I guess I would lean towards D_V, I feel like a player with his style would be doing more than arguing in circles. I’d prefer a Vez flip to be honest, but my teambuilding isn’t very strong and if Vez’s scum, I think it’s with D_V.
Consider my vote on D_V, but I want to reserve judgement for now.
What makes you rule that out?
I guess they could have day chat and it was all coordinated but [warning, modgaming] I don't think Cantrip usually gives wolves day chat. His last two games were night chat only.
Like, if you think my read on EtR's playstyle is wrong or that they do have day chat or something, I'm all ears. I did follow up that statement with a request for more information from people who disagree.
Just...in general...please use your vote more. It makes it that much easier to tell the difference between frozen scum and indecisive town.
I can understand that, but I don’t know if we’re going to get anymore out of the day and I’m hesitant to put someone at L-1 until we’ve had a chance to look at everything. If the consensus is that we’re ready, I’ll vote.
Which would make it:
D_V (4): Highroller, KamikazeArchon, EtR, Rumanishi
zdtsd (1): tomsloger
Silvercrys3467 (1): zdtsd
EtR (4): Vaimes, D_V, vezokpiraka, Silvercrys3467
Not Voting (1): Tubba Fett
6 to lynch.
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I'd appreciate being able to leave a legacy, but I'm very busy right now.
Somebody vote me at 12 hours remaining if I don't post again.
Right now I'm trying to parse through some thoughts not sure how much will be developed since I'm really god damn busy.
Things right now I'll say I'd be damn well surprised if this is a full town wagon on me.
@Tom if you are town then once I flip never vote ztstd again. Please for the love of god just accept that I'm the better town and that he is town.
Also nobody vote Vez.
Silver is a good place to start tomorrow so is ETR.
I think Vaimes is decently town once he started playing.
Tubba is questionable to me. I think he could be scum, but I wouldn't attempt to lynch him tomorrow.
If Tom goes back on zdtstd power lynch him for me.(Oh also Tom if you're town and go back on zdtsd I'll call you old sport for the entire next game we play )
Ruma stay golden, keep ******* around. I think you're town but like IDK man hard for me to read you this game.
Hopefully HR stops flavor gaming after this?
ETR is pretty scummy, hopefully people figure that out. Tom's defense doesn't look good to me, for example when I said wishy washy he construes that as "Well he is consistent", but like its all neutral reads and null reads that is the very definition of wishy washy.
Also I was lost this game so yeah I did go around in circles. Not sure how that makes me scum though, but ehhh. I think the entire case on me is poor, and I think me calling people out on that is pretty typical. Not really sure what any of the case is on me or why anyone thinks its convincing, but this is the town that lynched Terry over ????? I still don't know.
I think we are losing this game, but maybe a miracle happens.
GL if I don't post again. My best advice to town is to think about my lynch and the Terry lynch. The cases have been really poor. Purpose = Behavior = Reason, gotta have some reason for people to do something as scum.
You are a liability to the town. Why would you derail the EtR wagon so close to a deadline? I was going to try to convince people to get on it later today.
I just don't want you in the game any more. I'm usually against lynching town, but I'll make an exception.
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I wish I could put a bullet in so many people right now.
and the past two Days have just been one big mind****.
D_V (6): Highroller, KamikazeArchon, EtR, Rumanshi, D_V, vezokpiraka
zdtsd (1): tomsloger
Silvercrys3467 (1): zdtsd
EtR (2): Vaimes, Silvercrys3467
Not Voting (1): Tubba Fett
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I'm not.
Vez being frustrated is well don't hold it against him.
Wish I could have left a legacy like I had asked to be able to do. ETR lynch didn't seem likely though. Tuba was on me and Tom wasn't going to vote ETR and ztdstd has gone awol.
Uhhh.
Oh yeah for claim purposes, I actually had 2 shots of the role reveal but didn't want to claim that because that seemed scummy.
Otherwise as claimed.
Also derail?
Have you looked at the game?
I was getting lynched today, I figured I'd in good faith make sure so I got to have some time to write tomorrow, but you went ahead and ruined that so thanks.
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2. Highroller
3. KamikazeArchon
4. Rumanshi
5. Silvercrys3467 (repl. RE1031)
6. tomsloger
7. Vaimes
8. vezokpiraka
9. zdtsd (repl. Fuwa)
My two predictions are either vezok and zdts scum
or
Silver and Etr or something stupid.
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Vote: EtR
I'll probably return to the Rodemy wagon later with the new flips but pretty sure it's EtR/Ruma. Last wolf is in [Vaimes / Vezok / Kami] by wagonomics, I think. Mmm.
Why was D_V the hang?
I think that both silver and EtR would have been better.
Also does anyone remember what being slimed does?
Deal with it.
I doubt that Ruma as scum knows that his vote will derail the wagon. And way to ignore tom who's been clamouring for EtR town for no real reason.
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Last two days wagons were [unflipped people] vs [DV who decided to spend a full month personally ensuring we didnt have a chance to lynch scum]
Dv was the hang because he voted himself twice. That's borderline game throwing.
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I'm going to be light today and tomorrow due to prerelease. I'll try to get at least something in.
I slimed zdtsd. None of my slimed people targeted tubba.
@Vezok why do you think Ruma wouldn't know that transferring wagons to the counterwagon a day before deadline kills the leading wagon?
Previous play experience with ruma. He is not the type of guy who makes rational decisions.
Also I don't agree with your assessment that he derailed the Etr wagon. Etr was viable up until DV voted himself.
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Rodemy(9): Highroller, vezok, Kami, Fuwa, ruma,tubba, tom,Grape, Vaimeselijah(1): REFuwa (2): EtR,
elijahkami (2):
rhand, joetom (1):
togsWith 3 people already cocooned, the information gained from my death is negligible, so I will only claim if the person is targeted by an NK.
Plus this means scum cannot play around my ability.
Deal with it.
Why have you not protected tubba?
Why would you not claim? It's not like scum can't kill someone already coconeed and win the game instanly? Right now, assuming there are 4 scum, they can kill someone you cocooned and you die. That's enough to go from LyLo to win.
I'm starting to think you might be scum.
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Deal with it.
Seriously?
D_V's actions were erratic, inscrutable, and completely counterproductive to the town, to the point where I - who believed he was mafia - couldn't possibly imagine he was town because how the hell could this guy be town, and vezok - who believed he was town - didn't even care if he was town, because he was that much of a liability.
Assuming you're telling the truth about the second nightkill.
Which, explain this to me, because I want to make sure I have this right: Are you saying that in addition to the nightkill we see each night, there's been an additional nightkill attempt every night so far and you've successfully protected against it? Each night?
Why don't you claim your protection target?
Also
@kami any change on your read there after sliming?
2. If zdtsd is telling the truth about someone else nightkilling each night, and that person still has a nightkill tonight, then today is the last chance for the town. We need to lynch a hostile today. There should be no information withheld.
Why? By my count, highroller is already cocooned It's absolutely irrelevant if the scum know another target or not.
Let me break it down for you, because ztd hasn't understand a thing asking me why I think the mafia have 5 members. Assuming there were 4 mafia in the beginning (not implausible although it matters a lot if KA is neutral or scum), we lynched one so now there are 3. 9 - 1 lynch (assume town) = 8 during the night. Shoot highroller and ztd dies => 6 during the day mafia win automatically.
It is absolutely irrelevant if mafia know ztd new target or not and the only people who are suffering from it are the town for lack of information. Or mabe you think lynching highroller is the correct play then I guess God have mercy on your soul.
We really have to discuss the KA situation today. If he is neutral, he kinda screws us over by tomorrow (he still didn't say if his wincon is compatible with the town's so I assume it isn't) by adding another member to the mafia vote block. Or maybe he simply wins and ends the game.
@Vaimes: Come here and help solve the game. Stop flopping around.
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No, I never said that.
None of my protection targets have been targeted by an NK.
Also does ANYBODY understand my role?
Vezok, if someone cocooned would be NKed, then I die INSTEAD, not in ADDITION. So the only thing me keeping this secret does is have a chance to prevent Mafia from doing what they want, with no repercussions for town.
Deal with it.