[quote]Anyway I think Ztd didn't get delayed night 1. It was just a misunderstanding from the mod. I might be wrong on this and ztd needs to clarify.
I did get delayed, I was told my ability would resolve at EoD 2, whereas my N2 ability resolved at night. I think it is possible that the second delay N2 was on a VT or Ghostbuster, which would have no effect and they probably wouldn't be told.
The point of the post was to see who did what over the Night phase. By definition, VTs don't do anything, and unclaimed people, for all intents and purposes, are basically VT. There's also [redacted] and I'm definitely planning on putting all my eggs in that basket.
As far as not answering your question - You're question has been answered multiple times. Flavor is the dichotomy between you and ZD. I don't believe that your claimed roles will be aligned on the same team.
Flavor?
What the ****? What flavor dichotomy? There isn't any flavor dichotomy between us. Explain.
Claimed roles can't be on the same team? Explain. What?
I'm not really interested in interacting with you if you want to behave this way.
For the most part, yes. You could argue up or down one spot for some of them in the neutral section, but the Scum are top to bottom least to most scummy IMO.
I'm here, but. Sorry Vaimes, this is about what you're getting out of me. School started and I'm pretty busy, so like. Yeah.
@DV: There's a tri-chotomy between me, you, and EtR if you believe there must be a wolf not on Rodemy at the EoD1. That's why it's you or EtR for me, though I don't super strongly believe that there must be one off wagon since fuwa slot was on wagon and not off wagon. Literally everyone else off wagon is dead, so.
@whoever said I was demoralized, I'm not demoralized, just busy. If you can't let me endgame because I can only post once or twice every 48 hours, I guess that's a thing, but I'm not just going to roll over for it.
Currently at, like, Ruma > zdt > Tubba > Vaimes > Vezok for Rodemy bussers, for whatever that's worth.
I'd lynch zdt over not lynching but would prefer Ruma first to give him a chance to prove his role. If he's a wolf and they no kill to "prove" his ability we still get an extra lynch out of it.
I'd still lynch DV, he's the most likely wolf off-wagon.
I'll try to expound my reads in some greater detail before deadline but I can't promise anything.
As far as not answering your question - You're question has been answered multiple times. Flavor is the dichotomy between you and ZD. I don't believe that your claimed roles will be aligned on the same team.
Flavor?
What the ****? What flavor dichotomy? There isn't any flavor dichotomy between us. Explain.
Claimed roles can't be on the same team? Explain. What?
I'm not really interested in interacting with you if you want to behave this way.
@DV: There's a tri-chotomy between me, you, and EtR if you believe there must be a wolf not on Rodemy at the EoD1. That's why it's you or EtR for me, though I don't super strongly believe that there must be one off wagon since fuwa slot was on wagon and not off wagon. Literally everyone else off wagon is dead, so.
@DV: There's a tri-chotomy between me, you, and EtR if you believe there must be a wolf not on Rodemy at the EoD1. That's why it's you or EtR for me, though I don't super strongly believe that there must be one off wagon since fuwa slot was on wagon and not off wagon. Literally everyone else off wagon is dead, so.
What is this even in reference to?
And by that I mean what are you talking about? Why bring this up at all?
I'd still lynch DV, he's the most likely wolf off-wagon.
You think ETR is town because....?
Also have you noticed that none of the wagons you brought up are not really viable anymore? Or are you literally not playing the game.
I don't understand where this can be coming from. Those three wagons - zd, you and riku - are the current three vote forerunners, have been since the end of the last Day, and were at K-1 or K-2 at various times. If anything, those are the most viable wagons.
It feels like you're trying to get people to back off the wagon from pure assertiveness. I understand why you're trying to do that for yourself (in fact I can understand that regardless of alignment) - but why zd and riku?
I'd still lynch DV, he's the most likely wolf off-wagon.
You think ETR is town because....?
Also have you noticed that none of the wagons you brought up are not really viable anymore? Or are you literally not playing the game.
I don't understand where this can be coming from. Those three wagons - zd, you and riku - are the current three vote forerunners, have been since the end of the last Day, and were at K-1 or K-2 at various times. If anything, those are the most viable wagons.
It feels like you're trying to get people to back off the wagon from pure assertiveness. I understand why you're trying to do that for yourself (in fact I can understand that regardless of alignment) - but why zd and riku?
Like I haven't been a viable wagon since the start, and nobody is voting me anymore other than the two players that have death gripped their vote to me. zdtsd's wagon has been fluctuating, I'm hoping it will get smaller and Ruma has one vote.
I'm honestly not sure where to go in this game. It feels like there has been a gradual steering away from ZD by multiple people. DV/ZD should be resolved. As far as not pushing an agenda, I've put together several cases and I haven't gotten much traction so I'm kinda meh at this point.
Why is there a DV/ZD thing exactly? I feel like people are pushing a false argument here. He pushed me, but that doesn't mean that we need to be resolved there is almost nothing that makes us a dichotomy.
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Hmm. My bad, thought this post said EtR not ZD for some reason.
Anyway, yeah, EtR read is one of the ones I intend on explaining before deadline. Probably even do him first because right now it's just kind of a strong gut feeling and I want to go back and try to like, verbalize why I think he's town.
I'm honestly not sure where to go in this game. It feels like there has been a gradual steering away from ZD by multiple people. DV/ZD should be resolved. As far as not pushing an agenda, I've put together several cases and I haven't gotten much traction so I'm kinda meh at this point.
Why is there a DV/ZD thing exactly? I feel like people are pushing a false argument here. He pushed me, but that doesn't mean that we need to be resolved there is almost nothing that makes us a dichotomy.
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Hmm. My bad, thought this post said EtR not ZD for some reason.
Anyway, yeah, EtR read is one of the ones I intend on explaining before deadline. Probably even do him first because right now it's just kind of a strong gut feeling and I want to go back and try to like, verbalize why I think he's town.
Yeah see this doesn't fly. Uhh. I see this as you trying to protect your scum buddy and totally off the wall. I thought that was what this was about, I just wanted to make sure. Cause I know you see that ETR doesn't have a response to me and it was a good attempt to try and get him out. I guess.
You're entitled to your opinion, or you're a wolf trying desperately to ship me as buddies with random people. First I'm with zdt because Fuwa was voting twice in a votecount and I didn't catch it, now I'm a wolf with EtR even though we're both off wagon because I misread ZD's name as EtR. Like. Is this some kind of weird burden of proficiency read where I'm supposed to be more careful if I'm town or something? What is your read, exactly, other than "you're scum lol"?
You're entitled to your opinion, or you're a wolf trying desperately to ship me as buddies with random people. First I'm with zdt because Fuwa was voting twice in a votecount and I didn't catch it, now I'm a wolf with EtR even though we're both off wagon because I misread ZD's name as EtR. Like. Is this some kind of weird burden of proficiency read where I'm supposed to be more careful if I'm town or something? What is your read, exactly, other than "you're scum lol"?
I didn't imply that you were with zdtstd. Its funny that you feel that way. I was implying that your care of paying attention to the game just like your care in responding to my own question to ETR is lacking.
It must be hard to lose debates when you reduce your opponents to straw as you have.
Lets see, I've given arguments such as
General Care
POE
Lurking
Scummy behavior of your predecessor(I don't think you knew I made those arguments, because I don't think you read the game so get surprised).
Your own behavior has been wishy washy, and in addition seems like you are actually trying to not rock the boat.
But please reduce my arguments to "Scum lol". You'd know that wasn't the case if you put any care into reading the game, but I don't really expect you to, because you are scum lol.
As far as not answering your question - You're question has been answered multiple times. Flavor is the dichotomy between you and ZD. I don't believe that your claimed roles will be aligned on the same team.
Flavor?
What the ****? What flavor dichotomy? There isn't any flavor dichotomy between us. Explain.
Claimed roles can't be on the same team? Explain. What?
I'm not really interested in interacting with you if you want to behave this way.
Ok.
Come on, that wasn't rude.
Tell me about the dichotomy.
You know exactly how the flavor is a dichotomy. Gozer assumed the form of the Marshmallow Man. You claimed Gozer he claimed MMM.
Additionally, you can't claim that my T/S list is echoing other players without demonstrating that. Where did I not have those views previously in the game?
Additionally, you can't claim that my T/S list is echoing other players without demonstrating that. Where did I not have those views previously in the game?
Oh please treat me with some respect sir. There is no way that you think this is a claim at all, unless of course you are not actively reading the game, but you are so you know that this mirrors a lot of the overall thoughts of the game, but not really either. Its like the perceived thoughts of HR and KA. So there is your two people you mirrored. It also follows some of Tom's thoughts, Vaime's has changed his. IDK man, I'm just baffled.
Also that isn't a dichotomy at all. They are two separate entities. This isn't productive to flavor game at all. And even if we are I can easily rationalize them being two entities, so like what?
Also you said claimed roles can't be on the same team, you've now dodged the question four times? So answer please.
Additionally, you can't claim that my T/S list is echoing other players without demonstrating that. Where did I not have those views previously in the game?
Oh please treat me with some respect sir. There is no way that you think this is a claim at all, unless of course you are not actively reading the game, but you are so you know that this mirrors a lot of the overall thoughts of the game, but not really either. Its like the perceived thoughts of HR and KA. So there is your two people you mirrored. It also follows some of Tom's thoughts, Vaime's has changed his. IDK man, I'm just baffled.
Also that isn't a dichotomy at all. They are two separate entities. This isn't productive to flavor game at all. And even if we are I can easily rationalize them being two entities, so like what?
Also you said claimed roles can't be on the same team, you've now dodged the question four times? So answer please.
what even is your question?
And you are making no sense. i can't be echoing other players IF I HAD THOSE VIEWS FIRST. What are you even talking about.
Additionally, you can't claim that my T/S list is echoing other players without demonstrating that. Where did I not have those views previously in the game?
Oh please treat me with some respect sir. There is no way that you think this is a claim at all, unless of course you are not actively reading the game, but you are so you know that this mirrors a lot of the overall thoughts of the game, but not really either. Its like the perceived thoughts of HR and KA. So there is your two people you mirrored. It also follows some of Tom's thoughts, Vaime's has changed his. IDK man, I'm just baffled.
Also that isn't a dichotomy at all. They are two separate entities. This isn't productive to flavor game at all. And even if we are I can easily rationalize them being two entities, so like what?
Also you said claimed roles can't be on the same team, you've now dodged the question four times? So answer please.
what even is your question?
And you are making no sense. i can't be echoing other players IF I HAD THOSE VIEWS FIRST. What are you even talking about.
This isn't a question.
You didn't have the views first the listed people have the views first.
Additionally, you can't claim that my T/S list is echoing other players without demonstrating that. Where did I not have those views previously in the game?
Oh please treat me with some respect sir. There is no way that you think this is a claim at all, unless of course you are not actively reading the game, but you are so you know that this mirrors a lot of the overall thoughts of the game, but not really either. Its like the perceived thoughts of HR and KA. So there is your two people you mirrored. It also follows some of Tom's thoughts, Vaime's has changed his. IDK man, I'm just baffled.
Also that isn't a dichotomy at all. They are two separate entities. This isn't productive to flavor game at all. And even if we are I can easily rationalize them being two entities, so like what?
Also you said claimed roles can't be on the same team, you've now dodged the question four times? So answer please.
what even is your question?
And you are making no sense. i can't be echoing other players IF I HAD THOSE VIEWS FIRST. What are you even talking about.
This isn't a question.
You didn't have the views first the listed people have the views first.
Additionally, you can't claim that my T/S list is echoing other players without demonstrating that. Where did I not have those views previously in the game?
Oh please treat me with some respect sir. There is no way that you think this is a claim at all, unless of course you are not actively reading the game, but you are so you know that this mirrors a lot of the overall thoughts of the game, but not really either. Its like the perceived thoughts of HR and KA. So there is your two people you mirrored. It also follows some of Tom's thoughts, Vaime's has changed his. IDK man, I'm just baffled.
Also that isn't a dichotomy at all. They are two separate entities. This isn't productive to flavor game at all. And even if we are I can easily rationalize them being two entities, so like what?
Also you said claimed roles can't be on the same team, you've now dodged the question four times? So answer please.
what even is your question?
And you are making no sense. i can't be echoing other players IF I HAD THOSE VIEWS FIRST. What are you even talking about.
This isn't a question.
You didn't have the views first the listed people have the views first.
Because I went back and demonstrated that you had a full 50% of the players as scum within 200 posts. I’ve gone back and made cases on people I thought were scummy. Everything you’re attempting to put on me right now is what you’re doing. And the only reason I haven’t switched my vote to you is FUWA was scummier than Elijah so you can thank your preseason for that.
Like this is the second time you've tried to shut me down.
First you claimed I was rude. I wasn't, you didn't push the issue.
Now you're claiming I don't make sense.
I do, You're just lying.
Then show your work. Show where they had those views before me. Don’t just prattle on without making an actual case.
NAw you show your work.
Show where you had these ideas first. I'm literally not going to be bothered.
Your argument is. You do the work because I can't. Like I eventually will be bothered if anyone else needs me to. But I don't need to prove this to you.
@anyone if you need me to show this let me know, but if you are paying attention you know what I'm saying is true and this guy is arguing out of his ass.
Because I went back and demonstrated that you had a full 50% of the players as scum within 200 posts. I’ve gone back and made cases on people I thought were scummy. Everything you’re attempting to put on me right now is what you’re doing. And the only reason I haven’t switched my vote to you is FUWA was scummier than Elijah so you can thank your preseason for that.
Definitely not true.
Lets see who I've called scum in that post.
Silver and ETR "Not of fan of ztstd" which I'm not. And I've called KA neutral forever. AND I CLEARLY don't think Ruma is scum because I derailed the god damn lynch yesterday of him. And vaimes.
So that's
Silver
ETR
Vaimes
And ztsd
That's four out of ******* 11 alive players with us looking for 3 anti town.
Yeah. I'm playing the game you joker. You're so bad at this its laughable.
Stop lying. That isn't half the player base.
Man I just realized you've side stepped again haven't you.
WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMED ROLES CAN'T EXIST TOGETHER?
But this is some of the dumbest ***** I've ever seen.
Tries to shut down the argument twice, has avoided the same question 5 times. Acts as though some dumbass flavor thing is making a dichotomy. Slanders me for looking at the same 5 people, which I've largely been circling all game. Just has his head in the clouds when it comes to the read list.
Because I went back and demonstrated that you had a full 50% of the players as scum within 200 posts. I’ve gone back and made cases on people I thought were scummy. Everything you’re attempting to put on me right now is what you’re doing. And the only reason I haven’t switched my vote to you is FUWA was scummier than Elijah so you can thank your preseason for that.
Oh also the end of this
Basically I'm scummier than Silver, but Fuwa(Who posted like 10 times and Elijah who posted like 10 times is worth more for reads than the almost 250+ I have.
ETR's first serious vote was 168 on KA.
This was really his only attack, and why KA was worse than Rod he doesn't explain.
In post 96 Kamikazee proposes Name Claim to allow better targeting, however in post 97 (The next post, you see) he makes the statement that flavorgaming is unreliable. This to me feels a lot like scum fishing for info. Rodemy does the same exact thing in 98 and 99. This feels coordinated.
I think I will be abstaining from Gozier voting until I have a better understanding of it is pro-town.
His next vote is then on Elijah(Which he then says today had a good day one) post #329.
In this post he continues to attack Rodemy, but ends up on Elijah
i think there's 0-1 wolves in tom, re, and grape. dont want to look in there, dont want to really talm there, but id appreciate their consistent thoughts.
i thought vaimes and tsjw or whatever his name had good entrances as well. sort of a level 1 read, but yk, i'm chilling on it.
/vote kamikaze
think his entrance was meh, think his content early on was meh, think his play is detached and is a good center piece for scumteams. realistically this just an easy wolf hit to set us up for further days if it hits right though i'm thinking of hitting somebody wolfy af but also who's got a lot of associatives.
also fuwa's entrance pinged me a little, and i'm gonna read into em more. i only read first two pages, might read more, but i'm kind of struggling in life rn but dont want to replace out of my first game here.
Super wishy washy post.
I like that Tom is asking questions and following up on them. He's not doing the "ask questions to appear busy" thing. Specifically looking at his interactions with Elijah.
And directly after I liked Tom's interaction there is this post from Rod
I was super suspicious if Tom like twice that I can remember. right now, after a few of his posts, he isn’t contributing much to the game and it’s starting to irk me.
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Vote tom
While I wouldn't say that Tom is contributing a lot, he is contributing. So this post seems out of place.
@EtR What's your current read on Elijah and Highroller? (and me, maybe.. if you want to do three)
Highroller I'm coming around on. I didn't like his first few posts, but he's said some good things recently and I like his stance on Gozer. I have him closer to town than scum.
Elijah I still think is scum and he has done nothing to change my mind. In fact, I can't think of anything relevant that he's done since I took my vote of him to vote for you.
For you, I still believe you to be scum. There was a lot that you didn't comment on during your initial catch up post. It felt like a lot of questions for the sake of questions. I also am concerned with some of your wording as I've pointed out.
Continues to push Fuwa all day one. Tries to stop the Rod wagon, see posts 519 and 515. Continues to argue against the Rodemy wagon #744.
So after that Day 1 Re-read my thoughts:
Caught in the Containment Unit (Alive):
1. D_V (repl. elijah) - I didn't like Elijah, but there wasn't a lot of interactions with any dead players.
2. EtR - Hella Townie even though he defended Rod
3. Fuwa - Scum. I feel that was a very awkward Bus on Rod towards the end.
4. Highroller - Town - Main pusher of Rod wagon from the beginning
5. KamikazeArchon - See "FUWA" above
6. RE1031 - Nullish
7. Rhand (repl. rezombied) - Somewhat Null
8. Rumanshi - Scum based off interactions
9. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - Null of interactions.
10. tomsloger - Town
11. Tubba Fett - Null/lean town
12. Vaimes - Null/lean town
13. vezokpiraka - Scum based off interactions
Without reading any of day 2 in depth I feel like Kami is the right place to start. Vote KamikaziArchon
The way he comments on himself here is pretty strange to me. Still goes after Fuwa here. Doesn't comment on me at all. KA he calls bussing, and Vez he scum reads for god knows what reasons. “Interactions” I hate when players post this *****.
These posts were in 972. So, his list hasn't changed at all since day 2. Zero change, just marches to this drum. Sort of just death locks onto Vez for the rest of day 2, doesn't really participate in any meaningful way, then day three locks back onto Fuwa(Ztstd).
And ETR basically just stays consistent, he really has never developed any meaningful thought any of these players, talks about vague interactions such as the list I linked and never really says or does anything. Just kinda pretending to play the game.
He uses an attack on me saying I'm scum reading half the player base, which a is hyperbole(I'm not) and B he himself has done this *****. Hell he's taken a more wishy washy approach then me. I've got a larger town base then he does.
He talks about claimed roles, but the only thing he's said on claimed roles is this
I can’t reconcile in my head the fact that we have a cocoon person that keeps people cocooned and a slimmer that keeps people slimed.
So how my role and ztstd's can't be around is beyond me.
You know it isn't fair to maybe suggest that ETR's T/S list copies others. He's basically had the same scum list since the beginning of the game and he has sort of had the same town list. I hadn't realized that, because he's basically lurked since I've been here. If anything I'd point to this as being more troubling then copying others lists.
Like looking at 973. That list is still a mirror of the town sentiments of the time he has
Tom and HR as town which were like almost givens by that point in the game and that's really his only stances, his only strange read at that point is Tubba at null/lean town, but like its such a weak read like who cares?
Like the rest of his reads are bunch of neutral reads with some weak scum reads.
I think this is the best place for my vote. I had FUWA as scum, and Zdtsd hasn't changed that. Reading through dead town has not helped me clarify anything in my head as no one had any super strong reads.
Reads List (town at the top)
EtR
tomsloger
Vaimes
Highroller
KamikazeArchon
Tubba Fett
Rumanshi
Silvercrys3467
vezokpiraka
D_V
zdtsd
This his read list.
And its just his old read list but moved around. HELL THIS IS SCUM READING MORE PEOPLE THAN I HAVE. Where the hell does this snake think he can get off attacking me for scum reading some players.
He has 8 people as people as scum. His list barely has changed in 700 posts from ******* his last T/S list. Congrats hes consistently ******* wishy washy.
If anything his list has moved to mirror more of the town overall lists again. He's moved HR down, but for what ******* reason I have no idea, because the man is incapable of giving any reason. There just isn't any content for me to know why HR has been moved from town to Yellow?
Fuwa is scum for what reason? Its like the man is living in day one still. I honestly don't know how to approach this. I see player that I would argue isn't keeping up and isn't playing the game. That can be a terrible town player and that can be a scum player just trying to blend in with minimal effort. His only hot take this list is the HR read. He's got 5 people as scum and calls me out for looking at a few players?
The hypocrisy is just ******* ludicrous to me. On top of that you have him mixing up roles and trying to push a dichotomy for flavor but also the roles, but that dichotomy is between two other players?
This has been a really ROUGH overview of ETR. I want to lynch this more though after reading through. I'd still almost rather lynch silver, but it looks like ETR was lightly bussing that role for like ever. He still has silvercrys3467's slot down here so it just looks like even more bussing to me.
I'd still lynch DV, he's the most likely wolf off-wagon.
You think ETR is town because....?
Also have you noticed that none of the wagons you brought up are not really viable anymore? Or are you literally not playing the game.
I don't understand where this can be coming from. Those three wagons - zd, you and riku - are the current three vote forerunners, have been since the end of the last Day, and were at K-1 or K-2 at various times. If anything, those are the most viable wagons.
It feels like you're trying to get people to back off the wagon from pure assertiveness. I understand why you're trying to do that for yourself (in fact I can understand that regardless of alignment) - but why zd and riku?
Like I haven't been a viable wagon since the start, and nobody is voting me anymore other than the two players that have death gripped their vote to me. zdtsd's wagon has been fluctuating, I'm hoping it will get smaller and Ruma has one vote.
One vote.
So, what are you talking about here?
Um, what reality indeed? This is the latest votecount I see:
I'd still lynch DV, he's the most likely wolf off-wagon.
You think ETR is town because....?
Also have you noticed that none of the wagons you brought up are not really viable anymore? Or are you literally not playing the game.
I don't understand where this can be coming from. Those three wagons - zd, you and riku - are the current three vote forerunners, have been since the end of the last Day, and were at K-1 or K-2 at various times. If anything, those are the most viable wagons.
It feels like you're trying to get people to back off the wagon from pure assertiveness. I understand why you're trying to do that for yourself (in fact I can understand that regardless of alignment) - but why zd and riku?
Like I haven't been a viable wagon since the start, and nobody is voting me anymore other than the two players that have death gripped their vote to me. zdtsd's wagon has been fluctuating, I'm hoping it will get smaller and Ruma has one vote.
One vote.
So, what are you talking about here?
Um, what reality indeed? This is the latest votecount I see:
Like come on dude what are you arguing here? Ruma isn't a viable wagon today. At all. Pay attention to people's votes please. I'm glad you pull up a mod VC from 100 votes ago and don't read players votes. Enlightening to how you play.
@tubba
Having just read DV attacking etr for... uh... having consensus reads i guess?
Thinking about him attacking you in playstation for... i mean exactly the opposite
I dont know what my question is here maybe i just wanted to shade DV
Idk is it real?
Given i was skimming by the end there but i just came away going "uh, so?" and "no thats not what he said at all"
The only compelling part is something dv didnt say, which is that he was "wrong" on scum day 1 and didnt make huge effort to reevaluate his worldview at large despite a reread. But that... idk man sometimes you read and ***** doesnt change that much
But there is some of that in the d2 catch up (i agree for example fuwa d1 looks a lot like an awkward ******* bus).
And ***** man not much has changed for me since the beginning of day 2 either its almost like we had a dumb no lynch
I come out of that case unchanged on etr and a little lower on DV.
@tubba
Having just read DV attacking etr for... uh... having consensus reads i guess?
Thinking about him attacking you in playstation for... i mean exactly the opposite
I dont know what my question is here maybe i just wanted to shade DV
Idk is it real?
It’s a play style. I responded immaturely and didn’t think it through at the time properly. I view it now as kind of a “scorched earth” policy. Rattle everyone’s tree and see what falls down. I thought he was scum in PlayStation because of it, but I just wanted him to be. I think D_V is at best neutral this game. PlayStation D_V was abrasive and aggressive, but pursued things while doing so. Ghostbusters D_V seems like they’re just discrediting others without having a direction to take the game. Town D_V should be dragging us kicking and screaming somewhere? I don’t know.
I completely forgot Highroller made a post asking to be protected, and makes it more likely that Fuwa saw it and just went “yeah okay” after Rod flipped scum.
Its not.
WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMED ROLES CAN'T EXIST TOGETHER?
WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMED ROLES CAN'T EXIST TOGETHER?
WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMED ROLES CAN'T EXIST TOGETHER?
WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMED ROLES CAN'T EXIST TOGETHER?
WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMED ROLES CAN'T EXIST TOGETHER?
WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMED ROLES CAN'T EXIST TOGETHER?
Lets try this a 6th time now.
How do you justify calling me out for reading at most 5 people as scum when you do more than that?
IE
Highroller
KamikazeArchon
Tubba Fett
Rumanshi
Silvercrys3467
vezokpiraka
D_V
zdtsd
@Tom
How the hell do you read ***** like this, and then shade me for ***** like this.
@tubba
Having just read DV attacking etr for... uh... having consensus reads i guess?
Thinking about him attacking you in playstation for... i mean exactly the opposite
I dont know what my question is here maybe i just wanted to shade DV
Idk is it real?
It’s a play style. I responded immaturely and didn’t think it through at the time properly. I view it now as kind of a “scorched earth” policy. Rattle everyone’s tree and see what falls down. I thought he was scum in PlayStation because of it, but I just wanted him to be. I think D_V is at best neutral this game. PlayStation D_V was abrasive and aggressive, but pursued things while doing so. Ghostbusters D_V seems like they’re just discrediting others without having a direction to take the game. Town D_V should be dragging us kicking and screaming somewhere? I don’t know.
TBH I'm slightly lost this game.
PlayStation was me slightly being on fire.
But how the hell do you get off saying I'm discrediting people when ETR has constantly resorted to calling my posts "Incoherent"
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But it means you mix up those who claimed VT earlier and those who haven't claimed at all....
I did get delayed, I was told my ability would resolve at EoD 2, whereas my N2 ability resolved at night. I think it is possible that the second delay N2 was on a VT or Ghostbuster, which would have no effect and they probably wouldn't be told.
Deal with it.
... I see the point isn't seen.
What point are you trying to make?
Like any 3? Vez, Tom, and HighRoller
I'm not really interested in interacting with you if you want to behave this way.
For the most part, yes. You could argue up or down one spot for some of them in the neutral section, but the Scum are top to bottom least to most scummy IMO.
@DV: There's a tri-chotomy between me, you, and EtR if you believe there must be a wolf not on Rodemy at the EoD1. That's why it's you or EtR for me, though I don't super strongly believe that there must be one off wagon since fuwa slot was on wagon and not off wagon. Literally everyone else off wagon is dead, so.
@whoever said I was demoralized, I'm not demoralized, just busy. If you can't let me endgame because I can only post once or twice every 48 hours, I guess that's a thing, but I'm not just going to roll over for it.
Currently at, like, Ruma > zdt > Tubba > Vaimes > Vezok for Rodemy bussers, for whatever that's worth.
I'd lynch zdt over not lynching but would prefer Ruma first to give him a chance to prove his role. If he's a wolf and they no kill to "prove" his ability we still get an extra lynch out of it.
I'd still lynch DV, he's the most likely wolf off-wagon.
I'll try to expound my reads in some greater detail before deadline but I can't promise anything.
Will you explain how this is anything other than busywork?
Ok.
Come on, that wasn't rude.
Tell me about the dichotomy.
What is this even in reference to?
And by that I mean what are you talking about? Why bring this up at all?
You think ETR is town because....?
Also have you noticed that none of the wagons you brought up are not really viable anymore? Or are you literally not playing the game.
It feels like you're trying to get people to back off the wagon from pure assertiveness. I understand why you're trying to do that for yourself (in fact I can understand that regardless of alignment) - but why zd and riku?
Dude.
I uhh.
What reality are you living in?
Like I haven't been a viable wagon since the start, and nobody is voting me anymore other than the two players that have death gripped their vote to me. zdtsd's wagon has been fluctuating, I'm hoping it will get smaller and Ruma has one vote.
One vote.
So, what are you talking about here?
Anyway, yeah, EtR read is one of the ones I intend on explaining before deadline. Probably even do him first because right now it's just kind of a strong gut feeling and I want to go back and try to like, verbalize why I think he's town.
You're entitled to your opinion, or you're a wolf trying desperately to ship me as buddies with random people. First I'm with zdt because Fuwa was voting twice in a votecount and I didn't catch it, now I'm a wolf with EtR even though we're both off wagon because I misread ZD's name as EtR. Like. Is this some kind of weird burden of proficiency read where I'm supposed to be more careful if I'm town or something? What is your read, exactly, other than "you're scum lol"?
I didn't imply that you were with zdtstd. Its funny that you feel that way. I was implying that your care of paying attention to the game just like your care in responding to my own question to ETR is lacking.
It must be hard to lose debates when you reduce your opponents to straw as you have.
Lets see, I've given arguments such as
General Care
POE
Lurking
Scummy behavior of your predecessor(I don't think you knew I made those arguments, because I don't think you read the game so get surprised).
Your own behavior has been wishy washy, and in addition seems like you are actually trying to not rock the boat.
But please reduce my arguments to "Scum lol". You'd know that wasn't the case if you put any care into reading the game, but I don't really expect you to, because you are scum lol.
You know exactly how the flavor is a dichotomy. Gozer assumed the form of the Marshmallow Man. You claimed Gozer he claimed MMM.
Oh please treat me with some respect sir. There is no way that you think this is a claim at all, unless of course you are not actively reading the game, but you are so you know that this mirrors a lot of the overall thoughts of the game, but not really either. Its like the perceived thoughts of HR and KA. So there is your two people you mirrored. It also follows some of Tom's thoughts, Vaime's has changed his. IDK man, I'm just baffled.
Also that isn't a dichotomy at all. They are two separate entities. This isn't productive to flavor game at all. And even if we are I can easily rationalize them being two entities, so like what?
Also you said claimed roles can't be on the same team, you've now dodged the question four times? So answer please.
what even is your question?
And you are making no sense. i can't be echoing other players IF I HAD THOSE VIEWS FIRST. What are you even talking about.
This isn't a question.
You didn't have the views first the listed people have the views first.
When did I say you had those views first.
Please highlight where I said that.
I'm done. You are making literal no sense.
come on dude.
You didn't make these views first.
You mirrored HR KA and Toms views.
How does this not make sense?
First you claimed I was rude. I wasn't, you didn't push the issue.
Now you're claiming I don't make sense.
I do, You're just lying.
Then show your work. Show where they had those views before me. Don’t just prattle on without making an actual case.
NAw you show your work.
Show where you had these ideas first. I'm literally not going to be bothered.
Your argument is. You do the work because I can't. Like I eventually will be bothered if anyone else needs me to. But I don't need to prove this to you.
@anyone if you need me to show this let me know, but if you are paying attention you know what I'm saying is true and this guy is arguing out of his ass.
Definitely not true.
Lets see who I've called scum in that post.
Silver and ETR "Not of fan of ztstd" which I'm not. And I've called KA neutral forever. AND I CLEARLY don't think Ruma is scum because I derailed the god damn lynch yesterday of him. And vaimes.
So that's
Silver
ETR
Vaimes
And ztsd
That's four out of ******* 11 alive players with us looking for 3 anti town.
Yeah. I'm playing the game you joker. You're so bad at this its laughable.
Stop lying. That isn't half the player base.
Man I just realized you've side stepped again haven't you.
WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMED ROLES CAN'T EXIST TOGETHER?
Lets see if you answer it this time.
But this is some of the dumbest ***** I've ever seen.
Tries to shut down the argument twice, has avoided the same question 5 times. Acts as though some dumbass flavor thing is making a dichotomy. Slanders me for looking at the same 5 people, which I've largely been circling all game. Just has his head in the clouds when it comes to the read list.
Oh also the end of this
Basically I'm scummier than Silver, but Fuwa(Who posted like 10 times and Elijah who posted like 10 times is worth more for reads than the almost 250+ I have.
This was really his only attack, and why KA was worse than Rod he doesn't explain.
This post feels like a scum slip to me
His next vote is then on Elijah(Which he then says today had a good day one) post #329.
In this post he continues to attack Rodemy, but ends up on Elijah
Swaps to Fuwa for SK reasons. This seems contrived to me. #372#373 Says that he thinks RE was bussing Fuwa in post #443.
Post #501 is sort of amazing
ETR quoted this Gem. @ EVERYONE DON'T VOTE ZTSTD
I'm so happy HR made this post right now.
The first real list from HR on day 2.
The way he comments on himself here is pretty strange to me. Still goes after Fuwa here. Doesn't comment on me at all. KA he calls bussing, and Vez he scum reads for god knows what reasons. “Interactions” I hate when players post this *****.
These posts were in 972. So, his list hasn't changed at all since day 2. Zero change, just marches to this drum. Sort of just death locks onto Vez for the rest of day 2, doesn't really participate in any meaningful way, then day three locks back onto Fuwa(Ztstd).
And ETR basically just stays consistent, he really has never developed any meaningful thought any of these players, talks about vague interactions such as the list I linked and never really says or does anything. Just kinda pretending to play the game.
He uses an attack on me saying I'm scum reading half the player base, which a is hyperbole(I'm not) and B he himself has done this *****. Hell he's taken a more wishy washy approach then me. I've got a larger town base then he does.
He talks about claimed roles, but the only thing he's said on claimed roles is this
So how my role and ztstd's can't be around is beyond me.
You know it isn't fair to maybe suggest that ETR's T/S list copies others. He's basically had the same scum list since the beginning of the game and he has sort of had the same town list. I hadn't realized that, because he's basically lurked since I've been here. If anything I'd point to this as being more troubling then copying others lists.
Like looking at 973. That list is still a mirror of the town sentiments of the time he has
Tom and HR as town which were like almost givens by that point in the game and that's really his only stances, his only strange read at that point is Tubba at null/lean town, but like its such a weak read like who cares?
Like the rest of his reads are bunch of neutral reads with some weak scum reads.
Then he posts
This his read list.
And its just his old read list but moved around. HELL THIS IS SCUM READING MORE PEOPLE THAN I HAVE. Where the hell does this snake think he can get off attacking me for scum reading some players.
He has 8 people as people as scum. His list barely has changed in 700 posts from ******* his last T/S list. Congrats hes consistently ******* wishy washy.
If anything his list has moved to mirror more of the town overall lists again. He's moved HR down, but for what ******* reason I have no idea, because the man is incapable of giving any reason. There just isn't any content for me to know why HR has been moved from town to Yellow?
Fuwa is scum for what reason? Its like the man is living in day one still. I honestly don't know how to approach this. I see player that I would argue isn't keeping up and isn't playing the game. That can be a terrible town player and that can be a scum player just trying to blend in with minimal effort. His only hot take this list is the HR read. He's got 5 people as scum and calls me out for looking at a few players?
The hypocrisy is just ******* ludicrous to me. On top of that you have him mixing up roles and trying to push a dichotomy for flavor but also the roles, but that dichotomy is between two other players?
This has been a really ROUGH overview of ETR. I want to lynch this more though after reading through. I'd still almost rather lynch silver, but it looks like ETR was lightly bussing that role for like ever. He still has silvercrys3467's slot down here so it just looks like even more bussing to me.
Instead of
For the love of god though don't vote ztstd.
Um, what reality indeed? This is the latest votecount I see:
Did the mod make a post I can't see or something?
I ran another VC?
That was 1752
zdtsd voted in 1758 to Silver
I voted ETR in 1766
Like come on dude what are you arguing here? Ruma isn't a viable wagon today. At all. Pay attention to people's votes please. I'm glad you pull up a mod VC from 100 votes ago and don't read players votes. Enlightening to how you play.
That's the one.
The one about the VC that you could have checked yourself.
Really.
If you are town WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
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Im stuck rn no one is saying much that changes anything for me i just need flips.
Lets lynch someone pls.
Having just read DV attacking etr for... uh... having consensus reads i guess?
Thinking about him attacking you in playstation for... i mean exactly the opposite
I dont know what my question is here maybe i just wanted to shade DV
Idk is it real?
I also want blood. Dv's case is pretty compelling. I find it very unlikely to have the same reads after everything that went down.
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Given i was skimming by the end there but i just came away going "uh, so?" and "no thats not what he said at all"
The only compelling part is something dv didnt say, which is that he was "wrong" on scum day 1 and didnt make huge effort to reevaluate his worldview at large despite a reread. But that... idk man sometimes you read and ***** doesnt change that much
But there is some of that in the d2 catch up (i agree for example fuwa d1 looks a lot like an awkward ******* bus).
And ***** man not much has changed for me since the beginning of day 2 either its almost like we had a dumb no lynch
I come out of that case unchanged on etr and a little lower on DV.
It’s a play style. I responded immaturely and didn’t think it through at the time properly. I view it now as kind of a “scorched earth” policy. Rattle everyone’s tree and see what falls down. I thought he was scum in PlayStation because of it, but I just wanted him to be. I think D_V is at best neutral this game. PlayStation D_V was abrasive and aggressive, but pursued things while doing so. Ghostbusters D_V seems like they’re just discrediting others without having a direction to take the game. Town D_V should be dragging us kicking and screaming somewhere? I don’t know.
Unvote; Vote: DV
I'm over it.
Oh my god.
Its not.
WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMED ROLES CAN'T EXIST TOGETHER?
WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMED ROLES CAN'T EXIST TOGETHER?
WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMED ROLES CAN'T EXIST TOGETHER?
WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMED ROLES CAN'T EXIST TOGETHER?
WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMED ROLES CAN'T EXIST TOGETHER?
WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMED ROLES CAN'T EXIST TOGETHER?
Lets try this a 6th time now.
How do you justify calling me out for reading at most 5 people as scum when you do more than that?
IE
@Tom
How the hell do you read ***** like this, and then shade me for ***** like this.
TBH I'm slightly lost this game.
PlayStation was me slightly being on fire.
But how the hell do you get off saying I'm discrediting people when ETR has constantly resorted to calling my posts "Incoherent"