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I am going to begin this by asking, because I have never played here before: Is this style of play normal for Riku? because I know that in a vacuum he is scummy, but there might be a meta argument for why the short posts and such are not scum. Is there?
Also, D_V's tone right now seems towny to me, so D_V actually looks town. This makes silver the definite most likely scum, probably followed by Riku or Vezok.
Yes. I have a range of not posting anything but 'hello' to posting gigantic *****posts depending on how I feel. I tend to be more low key when scum, but I'll try and 'look' towny by posting fake reads and *****. There does tend to be being much angrier and quicker to react in my town games, but activity isn't actually the read (though some people like to think that). Anyway, with self-meta'ing out of the way, let's look at the vote count and seeeeee what turns up.
There's an interesting load of things here. Vaimes kinda hurts as usual, as it's evident he's trying to get the game to go in the right direction. He wanted to get rid of dead weight, thought of things and kinda decided against it. This is the town vaimes I know.
Vaimes = Town
Highroller I've liked and though I dislike some of his comments, some of his arguments did make sense.
HR = Town
D_V. One thing I know about D_V is as scum he can give up occasionally and kinda mess himself up. I don't see that here.
D_V = town.
Tom. Towntowwwntowwwn.
Leaving Kamikaze, ETR, Silver, Zdst, Vezok.
What do now? I will go over them in reverse order, viewing vezok first and kami last. C'm@ me bros.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
Is he doing this on purpose to keep interactions to a minimum? I thought his Day 1 was pretty towny and now he’s just posting votes and being cryptic.
What was towny about his Day 1? He’s just seemed like a nonentity to me.
Like, come on. I ask for your thoughts on the game, and this is what you respond to?
“Thoughts on the game” is just so broad and fluctuating. The Ruma thing is something specific that I can roll around in my head.
I think that the missing information from flips is hurting town (at least myself), I’m having a hard discerning alignments from the interactions so far. I think D_V is more likely neutral or scum than town, I’m skeptical that cvsdhl’s claimed role is real/town, I don’t trust Vezok still, I’m feeling the ghostbusters are probably just all town, I think Kami is more likely neutral or town than scum, Ruma is an enigma until they start taking a stance on something, and I hope that’s soon, I’m on the fence with EtR, they seem solvey but they left themselves room to go in a lot of different directions. I think my ability has been squandered, that I maybe should have stayed quiet about having it instead of knee jerk reacting when it didn’t work on Kami, I don’t know that’s what I’m thinking right now.
I’m definitely better with specifics, and I prefer to analyze content and interactions than provide them, but if you ask me something I’ll do my best to fill you in on what I’m thinking.
Okay, I can work with that.
Tell me what you think of tom/EtR as a scumteam, putting aside tom's Ghostbuster status. Look at their interactions, their reads on each other, and their general approach to the game so far.
Well there was the potentially coachy moment after mine and EtR’s slap fight where it looked like he was trying to talk us away from each other. As far as similarities, they both seem to be keeping options open, EtR seemingly more so. Tom is hard to read by design, but I don’t feel like he’s pushing an agenda. I guess I couldn’t point out an agenda from EtR either, but knowing my alignment and fighting with someone about it leaves me biased towards scum feeling.
I'm honestly not sure where to go in this game. It feels like there has been a gradual steering away from ZD by multiple people. DV/ZD should be resolved. As far as not pushing an agenda, I've put together several cases and I haven't gotten much traction so I'm kinda meh at this point.
I'm honestly not sure where to go in this game. It feels like there has been a gradual steering away from ZD by multiple people. DV/ZD should be resolved. As far as not pushing an agenda, I've put together several cases and I haven't gotten much traction so I'm kinda meh at this point.
Why is there a DV/ZD thing exactly? I feel like people are pushing a false argument here. He pushed me, but that doesn't mean that we need to be resolved there is almost nothing that makes us a dichotomy.
I'm really trying to not deathlock into it must be Tom because I'm confused right now.
I think Vaimes might be right though as well, and I want to see more from silver.
Is Silver ETR the team?
I'm pretty sure you've thrown a scum team out with everyone in the game at this point. You've had 3 different reads on me today.
Both me and DV think you are scum and the only reason we aren't pushing it further is because the rest of players think you are really town. I'm not seeing what they are seeing, but I'll respect their opinion and push in another place. I'm not sure where you think DV has shown that he thinks you are town or even flipflopping for that matter.
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I'm really trying to not deathlock into it must be Tom because I'm confused right now.
I think Vaimes might be right though as well, and I want to see more from silver.
Is Silver ETR the team?
I'm pretty sure you've thrown a scum team out with everyone in the game at this point. You've had 3 different reads on me today.
Both me and DV think you are scum and the only reason we aren't pushing it further is because the rest of players think you are really town. I'm not seeing what they are seeing, but I'll respect their opinion and push in another place. I'm not sure where you think DV has shown that he thinks you are town or even flipflopping for that matter.
The beginning of the day I had a Town read on ETR. Then they started posting and I started wondering.
I'm really trying to not deathlock into it must be Tom because I'm confused right now.
I think Vaimes might be right though as well, and I want to see more from silver.
Is Silver ETR the team?
I'm pretty sure you've thrown a scum team out with everyone in the game at this point. You've had 3 different reads on me today.
Also I'm pretty sure I haven't. You threw some shade at me, but didn't answer the question I asked. Interesting that.
I know for a fact I don't think I've thrown Tubba out as scum or Vez or HR(Not really anyways). Also don't think I've scum read KA(Neutral) or Tom(I'm having a little bit of doubts).
Vote ETR
That smear is just icing. I'll also swap to Silver, I'm not a fan of lynching zdstd because I view the role as self resolving ish. I'll revisit the role in later days.
Granted, but it seems like breaking that is part of the course of being mafia in the first place. The whole point of the game of mafia for the mafia is to keep the townspeople from grouping you together.
Anyway, what's your over-under on D_V and ztdsd both being mafia?
I'm really trying to not deathlock into it must be Tom because I'm confused right now.
I think Vaimes might be right though as well, and I want to see more from silver.
Is Silver ETR the team?
I'm pretty sure you've thrown a scum team out with everyone in the game at this point. You've had 3 different reads on me today.
Both me and DV think you are scum and the only reason we aren't pushing it further is because the rest of players think you are really town. I'm not seeing what they are seeing, but I'll respect their opinion and push in another place. I'm not sure where you think DV has shown that he thinks you are town or even flipflopping for that matter.
What?
This isn't a moral debate. If you think someone is scum, you push it until they die or you are convinced otherwise.
Scumreads who are widely townread should especially be talked about more, not given a freebie.
Actually tomsloger, why don't you give me your breakdown of percentages on who's mafia should D_V flip mafia. You said you were running through all possibilities, right? I'd like to compare notes here.
1. D_V (repl. elijah) - Town due to role and play. I'm fairly confident that DV is not scum this game and would take all the flack for it if I'm wrong.
2. EtR - Scum. Lurks int he background and only comes out with dubious reads.
3. Highroller - Town due to being a ghostbuster and nailing Rodemy and overall play.
4. KamikazeArchon - Neutral due to role. I'm reasonably certain he isn't scum, but I can't read KA for *****.
5. Rumanshi - Town, but way too lurky. I'm seeing all the signs for town ruma, but with his lurking it's hard to be certain.
6. Silvercrys3467 (repl. RE1031) - Scum and needs death. RE was pretty townie day 1, but the way he disappeared and the way silvercrys is playing makes me think this slot is demoralised scum.
7. tomsloger - Town due to ghostbuster and play. This is my shakiest town read. I could see this being scum tom, but nothing grabs me.
8. Tubba Fett - Town due to play. I've seen Tubba as town and this is a really typical play for him. His coming out with his role when targetting KA is a really strong point that shouldn't be forgotten.
9. Vaimes - Town due to ghostbuster and finally coming out to play. I wasn't convinced up until his last string of good posts, but that puts him firmly in the town category.
10. vezokpiraka - Town cause I know my role.
11. zdtsd (repl. Fuwa) - Town due to Fuwa's readlist that is almost what I'm at right now. Either I'm completely wrong and most of my reads or that was a town post.
So I'm willing to lynch EtR or Silvercrys today.
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Personally, I think tom is trying not to rock the boat, which makes me lean scum on him.
I slightly disagree he seems more than willing to pursue some things. Also wish you hadn't said this, but townie for doing so.(Was wanting a reaction to the new ETR wagon).
Off the top of my head IE I don't feel like looking hard, I'd say the ztstd wagon is very much driven by Tom. I'd say he is the loudest voice for it and proponent of the lynch.
@highroller
In DVscum world its, like, definitely not you or vaimes
Probably not etr/kami/zdt by various amounts
Only team that actively makes sense for him is ruma/vez.
Couple other possibilities i guess (namely swapping in silver or tubba) but they all feel a little wrong.
Worldbuilding is basically the best look for DV. In general the way eod2 went down looks like someone without partners barring pretty narrow worlds. Im not gonna eliminate it completely but dont find it super likely
I'm unsure. He could be trying to miss lynch a town doctor as scum. He could be game theorying poorly as town. He could be doing a lot of things. Its a strange look though for Tom to do this as scum to me since I agree he typically doesn't like to rock the boat a scum and this is pretty boat rocky to me. Like hes pushing a case on a non counterclaimed doctor. IDK maybe he just figured out he could push them and there wouldn't be any push back. He feels town to me on the whole, you want to make a case I'll listen but to me he's town. Maybe wrong, but town.
@Ruma
ETR hadn't posted a bunch. ETR's posts read as town to me, but reflecting back ETR was always sort of just echoing other town thoughts. Sort of lurking, but not in a fun way, and when they decided to come back their T/S list was pretty poor, and felt like they were just echoing other town sentiment and didn't have a lot of their own thoughts. Most of their own comments have been pretty vague, like almost fortune telling vague, they just say I don't like X or Y, but its not anything super specific and almost feels like anyone can sort of back up what they are saying. It could be that this is just how they operate, I've met people who talk like this, they just don't have a lot of originality. However, the T/S list is really bothering me because it just feels like whos who and the order doesn't make a lot of sense, when asked to defend they haven't really done so.
Additionally that smear attack on me was pretty gross, and they avoided my question entirely from the same post. It just seems scummy.
Im not, like, actively boat rocking or anything. But definitely dont think the opposite is true either.
Maybe with my etr townread. i still mostly believe it but not, like, enough to shout down suspicion of him or anything. So definitely more sitting back and watching that develop.
But other than that feel like ive been pushing things somewhere around a normal amount for me?
Myself and Siler in #1766. "Not a fan" of ZD in #1728. Additionally "Worried" about KA in #1728. #1646 you admit yourself that you are just throwing stuff out there. Ruma below me in #1621. #1577 "If it's not Ruma and Vaimes..." So we're actively up to half the game. Says for sure that Vaimes has to be scum in #1550, and that's all I feel like looking through. Like, ok, You haven't put EVERYONE out there, but more people than not have been called scum by you in the last 200 posts alone, so I'm not really interested in your "oh no he's smearing me" nonsense.
And why don't you actually quote some posts where I was just echoing other players. I'd be interested to see what you can come up with.
As far as not answering your question - You're question has been answered multiple times. Flavor is the dichotomy between you and ZD. I don't believe that your claimed roles will be aligned on the same team.
Myself and Siler in #1766. "Not a fan" of ZD in #1728. Additionally "Worried" about KA in #1728. #1646 you admit yourself that you are just throwing stuff out there. Ruma below me in #1621. #1577 "If it's not Ruma and Vaimes..." So we're actively up to half the game. Says for sure that Vaimes has to be scum in #1550, and that's all I feel like looking through. Like, ok, You haven't put EVERYONE out there, but more people than not have been called scum by you in the last 200 posts alone, so I'm not really interested in your "oh no he's smearing me" nonsense.
And why don't you actually quote some posts where I was just echoing other players. I'd be interested to see what you can come up with.
I'm talking about your town/scum list.
If you don't realize it isn't echoing a large portion of this game then you haven't read the game. I've largely been focused on about 5 players this game which is half the game yes. Your point is? What is your point? I'm figuring the game out cementing reads and moving some around. Isn't that how you play mafia?
As far as not answering your question - You're question has been answered multiple times. Flavor is the dichotomy between you and ZD. I don't believe that your claimed roles will be aligned on the same team.
Flavor?
What the ****? What flavor dichotomy? There isn't any flavor dichotomy between us. Explain.
Claimed roles can't be on the same team? Explain. What?
PRs:
D_V (repl. elijah) > switched tom and RESilver
KamikazeArchon > slimed DV
Tubba Fett > targeted vezok, delayed
vezokpiraka > searched/slimed Silver, switched to tom
zdtsd (repl. Fuwa) > cocooned tom, switched to Silver
Highroller, Vaimes, tomsloger > Ghostbuster, no Night action
PRs:
D_V (repl. elijah) > switched tom and RESilver
KamikazeArchon > slimed DV
Tubba Fett > targeted vezok, delayed
vezokpiraka > searched/slimed Silver, switched to tom
zdtsd (repl. Fuwa) > cocooned tom, switched to Silver
Highroller, Vaimes, tomsloger > Ghostbuster, no Night action
PRs:
D_V (repl. elijah) > switched tom and RESilver
KamikazeArchon > slimed DV
Tubba Fett > targeted vezok, delayed
vezokpiraka > searched/slimed Silver, switched to tom
zdtsd (repl. Fuwa) > cocooned tom, switched to Silver
Highroller, Vaimes, tomsloger > Ghostbuster, no Night action
PRs:
D_V (repl. elijah) > switched tom and RESilver
KamikazeArchon > slimed DV
Tubba Fett > targeted vezok, delayed
vezokpiraka > searched/slimed Silver, switched to tom
zdtsd (repl. Fuwa) > cocooned tom, switched to Silver
Highroller, Vaimes, tomsloger > Ghostbuster, no Night action
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Votecount 3.4
D_V (2): Highroller, KamikazeArchon
zdtsd (4): tomsloger, EtR, Rumanshi, D_V
Rumanshi (2): Silvercrys3467, zdtsd
Silvercrys3467 (1): vezokpiraka
EtR (1): Vaimes
Not Voting (1): Tubba Fett
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
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Rumanshi has been prodded.
Yes. I have a range of not posting anything but 'hello' to posting gigantic *****posts depending on how I feel. I tend to be more low key when scum, but I'll try and 'look' towny by posting fake reads and *****. There does tend to be being much angrier and quicker to react in my town games, but activity isn't actually the read (though some people like to think that). Anyway, with self-meta'ing out of the way, let's look at the vote count and seeeeee what turns up.
D_V (2): Highroller, KamikazeArchon
zdtsd (4): tomsloger, EtR, Rumanshi, D_V
Rumanshi (2): Silvercrys3467, zdtsd
Silvercrys3467 (1): vezokpiraka
EtR (1): Vaimes
I am me.
Rumanshi = Town
There's an interesting load of things here. Vaimes kinda hurts as usual, as it's evident he's trying to get the game to go in the right direction. He wanted to get rid of dead weight, thought of things and kinda decided against it. This is the town vaimes I know.
Vaimes = Town
Highroller I've liked and though I dislike some of his comments, some of his arguments did make sense.
HR = Town
D_V. One thing I know about D_V is as scum he can give up occasionally and kinda mess himself up. I don't see that here.
D_V = town.
Tom. Towntowwwntowwwn.
Leaving Kamikaze, ETR, Silver, Zdst, Vezok.
What do now? I will go over them in reverse order, viewing vezok first and kami last. C'm@ me bros.
That game was baaaad.
I normally don't but that was like 15 some odd games in the same year as scum. I was OVER it.
D_V literally self voted and was 1 vote away from dying because of it. How does that not match this description?
Well there was the potentially coachy moment after mine and EtR’s slap fight where it looked like he was trying to talk us away from each other. As far as similarities, they both seem to be keeping options open, EtR seemingly more so. Tom is hard to read by design, but I don’t feel like he’s pushing an agenda. I guess I couldn’t point out an agenda from EtR either, but knowing my alignment and fighting with someone about it leaves me biased towards scum feeling.
Cause I basically started my own wagon there?
Deal with it.
Why is there a DV/ZD thing exactly? I feel like people are pushing a false argument here. He pushed me, but that doesn't mean that we need to be resolved there is almost nothing that makes us a dichotomy.
Unvote
I think Vaimes might be right though as well, and I want to see more from silver.
Is Silver ETR the team?
I'm pretty sure you've thrown a scum team out with everyone in the game at this point. You've had 3 different reads on me today.
Both me and DV think you are scum and the only reason we aren't pushing it further is because the rest of players think you are really town. I'm not seeing what they are seeing, but I'll respect their opinion and push in another place. I'm not sure where you think DV has shown that he thinks you are town or even flipflopping for that matter.
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The beginning of the day I had a Town read on ETR. Then they started posting and I started wondering.
Fixed that ended up in the quote wall somehow.
Also I'm pretty sure I haven't. You threw some shade at me, but didn't answer the question I asked. Interesting that.
I know for a fact I don't think I've thrown Tubba out as scum or Vez or HR(Not really anyways). Also don't think I've scum read KA(Neutral) or Tom(I'm having a little bit of doubts).
Vote ETR
That smear is just icing. I'll also swap to Silver, I'm not a fan of lynching zdstd because I view the role as self resolving ish. I'll revisit the role in later days.
Anyway, what's your over-under on D_V and ztdsd both being mafia?
Your likelihood of being mafia in my mind just jumped like 4 stages.
This isn't a moral debate. If you think someone is scum, you push it until they die or you are convinced otherwise.
Scumreads who are widely townread should especially be talked about more, not given a freebie.
I mean, I've been doing that and y'all complain...
1. D_V (repl. elijah) - Town due to role and play. I'm fairly confident that DV is not scum this game and would take all the flack for it if I'm wrong.
2. EtR - Scum. Lurks int he background and only comes out with dubious reads.
3. Highroller - Town due to being a ghostbuster and nailing Rodemy and overall play.
4. KamikazeArchon - Neutral due to role. I'm reasonably certain he isn't scum, but I can't read KA for *****.
5. Rumanshi - Town, but way too lurky. I'm seeing all the signs for town ruma, but with his lurking it's hard to be certain.
6. Silvercrys3467 (repl. RE1031) - Scum and needs death. RE was pretty townie day 1, but the way he disappeared and the way silvercrys is playing makes me think this slot is demoralised scum.
7. tomsloger - Town due to ghostbuster and play. This is my shakiest town read. I could see this being scum tom, but nothing grabs me.
8. Tubba Fett - Town due to play. I've seen Tubba as town and this is a really typical play for him. His coming out with his role when targetting KA is a really strong point that shouldn't be forgotten.
9. Vaimes - Town due to ghostbuster and finally coming out to play. I wasn't convinced up until his last string of good posts, but that puts him firmly in the town category.
10. vezokpiraka - Town cause I know my role.
11. zdtsd (repl. Fuwa) - Town due to Fuwa's readlist that is almost what I'm at right now. Either I'm completely wrong and most of my reads or that was a town post.
So I'm willing to lynch EtR or Silvercrys today.
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Silver: Name two people
Vezok: Name two and a half people.
But I support Silver/EtR wagons.
I slightly disagree he seems more than willing to pursue some things. Also wish you hadn't said this, but townie for doing so.(Was wanting a reaction to the new ETR wagon).
Off the top of my head IE I don't feel like looking hard, I'd say the ztstd wagon is very much driven by Tom. I'd say he is the loudest voice for it and proponent of the lynch.
In DVscum world its, like, definitely not you or vaimes
Probably not etr/kami/zdt by various amounts
Only team that actively makes sense for him is ruma/vez.
Couple other possibilities i guess (namely swapping in silver or tubba) but they all feel a little wrong.
Worldbuilding is basically the best look for DV. In general the way eod2 went down looks like someone without partners barring pretty narrow worlds. Im not gonna eliminate it completely but dont find it super likely
I'm unsure. He could be trying to miss lynch a town doctor as scum. He could be game theorying poorly as town. He could be doing a lot of things. Its a strange look though for Tom to do this as scum to me since I agree he typically doesn't like to rock the boat a scum and this is pretty boat rocky to me. Like hes pushing a case on a non counterclaimed doctor. IDK maybe he just figured out he could push them and there wouldn't be any push back. He feels town to me on the whole, you want to make a case I'll listen but to me he's town. Maybe wrong, but town.
@Ruma
ETR hadn't posted a bunch. ETR's posts read as town to me, but reflecting back ETR was always sort of just echoing other town thoughts. Sort of lurking, but not in a fun way, and when they decided to come back their T/S list was pretty poor, and felt like they were just echoing other town sentiment and didn't have a lot of their own thoughts. Most of their own comments have been pretty vague, like almost fortune telling vague, they just say I don't like X or Y, but its not anything super specific and almost feels like anyone can sort of back up what they are saying. It could be that this is just how they operate, I've met people who talk like this, they just don't have a lot of originality. However, the T/S list is really bothering me because it just feels like whos who and the order doesn't make a lot of sense, when asked to defend they haven't really done so.
Additionally that smear attack on me was pretty gross, and they avoided my question entirely from the same post. It just seems scummy.
Looks like his fake claim earned him another day though
Maybe with my etr townread. i still mostly believe it but not, like, enough to shout down suspicion of him or anything. So definitely more sitting back and watching that develop.
But other than that feel like ive been pushing things somewhere around a normal amount for me?
Meh
Myself and Siler in #1766. "Not a fan" of ZD in #1728. Additionally "Worried" about KA in #1728. #1646 you admit yourself that you are just throwing stuff out there. Ruma below me in #1621. #1577 "If it's not Ruma and Vaimes..." So we're actively up to half the game. Says for sure that Vaimes has to be scum in #1550, and that's all I feel like looking through. Like, ok, You haven't put EVERYONE out there, but more people than not have been called scum by you in the last 200 posts alone, so I'm not really interested in your "oh no he's smearing me" nonsense.
And why don't you actually quote some posts where I was just echoing other players. I'd be interested to see what you can come up with.
I'm talking about your town/scum list.
If you don't realize it isn't echoing a large portion of this game then you haven't read the game. I've largely been focused on about 5 players this game which is half the game yes. Your point is? What is your point? I'm figuring the game out cementing reads and moving some around. Isn't that how you play mafia?
Flavor?
What the ****? What flavor dichotomy? There isn't any flavor dichotomy between us. Explain.
Claimed roles can't be on the same team? Explain. What?
Night 1:
PRs:
D_V (repl. elijah) > flip reveal, delayed
KamikazeArchon > slimed vezok
Tubba Fett > targeted Kami, blocked
vezokpiraka > searched tom, watched Kami
zdtsd (repl. Fuwa) > cocooned Highroller, delayed
Highroller, Vaimes, tomsloger > Ghostbuster, no Night action
Unclaimed/VT:
EtR
Silvercrys3467 (repl. RE1031)
Rumanshi
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Night 2:
PRs:
D_V (repl. elijah) > switched tom and RESilver
KamikazeArchon > slimed DV
Tubba Fett > targeted vezok, delayed
vezokpiraka > searched/slimed Silver, switched to tom
zdtsd (repl. Fuwa) > cocooned tom, switched to Silver
Highroller, Vaimes, tomsloger > Ghostbuster, no Night action
Unclaimed/VT:
EtR
Silvercrys3467 (repl. RE1031)
Rumanshi
It looks like we're missing a delay. Or one of them is made up.
Kamikaze targeted vezok and DV, vezok ended up targeting tom. So vezok, DV, and tom should all be slimed, yes? I don't think tom claimed to be slimed.
Kami claimed some form of protection they didn’t wish to elaborate on. Are cult games a thing on this site?
No and whoever brings up cults is doomed to be made fun of for the entire game. So lol Tubba, but no.
Anyway I think Ztd didn't get delayed night 1. It was just a misunderstanding from the mod. I might be wrong on this and ztd needs to clarify.
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The one person I’m not prepared to accept an answer from is the one that answers it....
I’m just gonna jump on the ol’ hamster wheel for a bit.