@EtR
I’d like to hear more on your D_V read. I’m waffling there as I think the flip would reveal a fair bit about the game, flavour wise, role and power wise. That said, I can’t point to anything outright scummy. Thoughts?
I'm kind of in the same boat. I feel like one of either DV or ZD is scum but probably not both. The self voting was icky, but I had FUWA as more scummy than Elijah, so I lean towards ZD being scum of the two. I am not opposed to DV as a lynch though.
This part of your reads make no sense. You have all the usual suspects plus me and DV.
Why do you think silvercrys is less scummy than me or dv?
Explain why the rest are the usual suspects, and you and DV aren't. Especially considering DV has been at L-1 or L-2 for a long time now.
That's not the problem. The problem is that he lists the 5 most lynchable people as scum. The reads are too safe. Even so having me and DV above silver and ruma, but below ztd makes no sense. Ztd is never scum with me or DV.
For me it shows that EtR is just trying to push for a lynch instead of going out and making some serious statements.
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This part of your reads make no sense. You have all the usual suspects plus me and DV.
Why do you think silvercrys is less scummy than me or dv?
Explain why the rest are the usual suspects, and you and DV aren't. Especially considering DV has been at L-1 or L-2 for a long time now.
That's not the problem. The problem is that he lists the 5 most lynchable people as scum. The reads are too safe. Even so having me and DV above silver and ruma, but below ztd makes no sense. Ztd is never scum with me or DV.
For me it shows that EtR is just trying to push for a lynch instead of going out and making some serious statements.
You didn't really answer my question. What is it that made you make two groups, "the usual suspects" and "me and DV"?
@Ka: You can agree that DV is in another category from all those other people. I put myself in the same category as I defended DV a lot and had some interactions and I understand if someone believes we are scum together. The usual suspects are the lurkers or ztd who is the sights of almost everyone. A ztd, silver or Ruma lynch will probably pass much more easily than a lynch on DV yet EtR has him as scum without putting much work into it. It's simply not a believable read.
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@Ka: You can agree that DV is in another category from all those other people. I put myself in the same category as I defended DV a lot and had some interactions and I understand if someone believes we are scum together. The usual suspects are the lurkers or ztd who is the sights of almost everyone. A ztd, silver or Ruma lynch will probably pass much more easily than a lynch on DV yet EtR has him as scum without putting much work into it. It's simply not a believable read.
Are you reading the game? What was my take on FUWA day 1? I'll wait...
@Ka: You can agree that DV is in another category from all those other people.
No. If I had to make groups of those 5, it would be [DV, riku, zdtsd] and [you, silver] - the former have had major wagons, the latter have not. So explain why DV is in a different category.
I put myself in the same category as I defended DV a lot and had some interactions and I understand if someone believes we are scum together. The usual suspects are the lurkers or ztd who is the sights of almost everyone. A ztd, silver or Ruma lynch will probably pass much more easily than a lynch on DV yet EtR has him as scum without putting much work into it. It's simply not a believable read.
What does lynchability have to do with scumminess? I have people as scumreads all the time even when I don't think I can ever get a lynch on them.
Separately: why do you think DV is harder to lynch? He's been at L-1 and he's currently at L-2.
Finally, somebody actually decided to deal with it, rather than just go on this weird off putting rampage. How was it bussy? I voted Rodemy for an extremely legitimite reason - He gave up on defending. If there's one thing I would do as town, it's if I'm about to be lynched it's do as much work as I can. Rodemy didn't. This was not a bus - you need to find the reasons for voting to do vote analysis correctly mateeeey~~~
I know the "reasons", yours was just super weak. Like, it's a fine reason, perfectly justifiable, except that the timing and lack of progression make it potentially a bus. Rodemy was obviously going down by that point, and by not ponying up under the threat of being lynched he invited pretty much everyone to vote him for the reason you voted him. Easiest vote ever regardless of your alignment.
Everyone else on that wagon other than Tubba and Vaimes is either probably NKA with Rodemy or is dead, and there's probably two wolves on the Rodemy wagon. You can claim it's Vezok, if you'd like, but that still leaves 1 in [you / Tubba / Vaimes], so...
Can't amaze you if you don't start targeting me. This is how I RUMBLEEEE~ Come at me, come at me. Show me what you got. Tell me how scummy I am, tell me how nothing I do can be towny. Let's find it~ Let's find the final countdown. Gut town reads explained like that could be scummy~ Pocketing due to having the info as scum~
My play is designed to be underwhelming
Yeah, can we not? I prefer to avoid rumbling when possible, it brings out the worst in me. Also, yep, totally trying to pocket EtR by barely sparing him a sentence long read and not talking to him or about him at all.
i mean not that i disagree theres few worlds where rod didny get bussed but
How are you eliminating fuwa slot?
How likely do you think multiple bussers?
Fuwa slot is self resolving, figure he'll likely be dead or there'll be a missing kill by D5 if he's for real, otherwise we can lynch him then. If he dies then we can lynch DV.
Multiple bussers is pretty much guaranteed unless there's only two wolves left... It'd have to be exactly DV+zds or something with EtR. Since there hasn't been an SK kill yet I'm guessing there's 4 wolves, so... there's probably another busser. Could be Vezok, maybe, or Vaimes+Tubba/Vaimes+Ruma. Would like to find the first one though before I start down that path.
@EtR
I’d like to hear more on your D_V read. I’m waffling there as I think the flip would reveal a fair bit about the game, flavour wise, role and power wise. That said, I can’t point to anything outright scummy. Thoughts?
How do you expect to get information about roles and power level from a flip that contains nothing but a name and an alignment?Hmm. I'd rather lynch someone who was on the Rodemy wagon, I think, but it looks like we're pretty dead set on lynching off wagon. Leaning towards voting DV over zdt if it comes down to it, I guess. I don't really have reads on either of them at the moment; DV is always a hard read because I always think he's scum, and zdt hasn't had a real presence that I remember. Fuwa even less so.
@Ka: You can agree that DV is in another category from all those other people.
No. If I had to make groups of those 5, it would be [DV, riku, zdtsd] and [you, silver] - the former have had major wagons, the latter have not. So explain why DV is in a different category.
I put myself in the same category as I defended DV a lot and had some interactions and I understand if someone believes we are scum together. The usual suspects are the lurkers or ztd who is the sights of almost everyone. A ztd, silver or Ruma lynch will probably pass much more easily than a lynch on DV yet EtR has him as scum without putting much work into it. It's simply not a believable read.
What does lynchability have to do with scumminess? I have people as scumreads all the time even when I don't think I can ever get a lynch on them.
Separately: why do you think DV is harder to lynch? He's been at L-1 and he's currently at L-2.
Hey
I was at L one because of my own self vote. I know you have an irrational hatred for me, but don't let it make you not see the facts.
Also lol at that silver scum claim. That has to be the weakest arguments I've ever seen.
"I always read DV as scum. Gives no reasons why he is scum reading me this game. ZTD has no presence even though they have plenty of posts as of today/eod. OK then."
@Ka: You can agree that DV is in another category from all those other people.
No. If I had to make groups of those 5, it would be [DV, riku, zdtsd] and [you, silver] - the former have had major wagons, the latter have not. So explain why DV is in a different category.
I put myself in the same category as I defended DV a lot and had some interactions and I understand if someone believes we are scum together. The usual suspects are the lurkers or ztd who is the sights of almost everyone. A ztd, silver or Ruma lynch will probably pass much more easily than a lynch on DV yet EtR has him as scum without putting much work into it. It's simply not a believable read.
What does lynchability have to do with scumminess? I have people as scumreads all the time even when I don't think I can ever get a lynch on them.
Separately: why do you think DV is harder to lynch? He's been at L-1 and he's currently at L-2.
Hey
I was at L one because of my own self vote. I know you have an irrational hatred for me, but don't let it make you not see the facts.
I do not have an irrational hatred for you and I do not play based on personal prejudices. Please do not make such attacks in future.
I think my biggest problem with this game at the moment is that DV seems to just be letting the wagon on him happen, while occasionally sniping at people for other tangentially related things.
Just based on his posts the last handful of pages, I couldn't even say where his vote is right now or who he wants dead toDay.
My mental representation of DV as a town player isn't of someone who just lets a wagon on them grow like it isn't even happening, and with no real strong push on anyone.
I don't think I'm ever going to fully understand zdtsd's claim, but it's something that's sort of painted him into a corner. Scum will eventually have to shoot him or someone in a cocoon. Especially if there's only two left and a neutral.
@Ka: You can agree that DV is in another category from all those other people. I put myself in the same category as I defended DV a lot and had some interactions and I understand if someone believes we are scum together. The usual suspects are the lurkers or ztd who is the sights of almost everyone. A ztd, silver or Ruma lynch will probably pass much more easily than a lynch on DV yet EtR has him as scum without putting much work into it. It's simply not a believable read.
Vezok/D_V scumteam seems pretty possible here. I have SRed both already, and this tone is super scummy. Plus, contradictory. A D_V hang is hard to get to work... but too safe because of how easy it is to hang D_V? SRing D_V is a believable read, and saying I am in the sights of "almost everyone" while D_V is not is wrong(Citation: recent votecount). Overall, this post just doesn't come from a town Vezok.
@Tom: fuwa was voting Terry at EoD, not Rodemy. He voted Rodemy, yeah, but he wasn't on the lynch wagon.
@DV: Not sure what you're getting at, exactly. If you'd like to present a case for why me and zdt are wolves together, feel free, 'cause I'm pretty sure we aren't.
@Ka: You can agree that DV is in another category from all those other people.
No. If I had to make groups of those 5, it would be [DV, riku, zdtsd] and [you, silver] - the former have had major wagons, the latter have not. So explain why DV is in a different category.
I put myself in the same category as I defended DV a lot and had some interactions and I understand if someone believes we are scum together. The usual suspects are the lurkers or ztd who is the sights of almost everyone. A ztd, silver or Ruma lynch will probably pass much more easily than a lynch on DV yet EtR has him as scum without putting much work into it. It's simply not a believable read.
What does lynchability have to do with scumminess? I have people as scumreads all the time even when I don't think I can ever get a lynch on them.
Separately: why do you think DV is harder to lynch? He's been at L-1 and he's currently at L-2.
Hey
I was at L one because of my own self vote. I know you have an irrational hatred for me, but don't let it make you not see the facts.
I do not have an irrational hatred for you and I do not play based on personal prejudices. Please do not make such attacks in future.
This isn't true at all. Don't lie to my face. You showed your hand in play station mafia. If you need me to quote you the statements you made there I can.
Vaimes has shot up on my town list. I've realized that my representation of his play might not be accurate at least in my own meta narrative. Also EOD comments weigh heavily in his favor IMO.
ETR has shot down to me, I agree with Vez on ETR. I'm not sure if scum, but... not as lock town as before.
Silvers responses are so crap it isn't even funny. Silver is scum. There isn't a question.
@Silver
A flip revealing his alignment would help me with the flavour gaming thing I have going on. Also, I hadn’t taken the claim as gospel, perhaps they’re why we don’t get full reveals. Standard practice is to get full reveals, to me something/someone is altering that. Lying close to the truth isn’t an unsound strategy.
@Tom
Do you mean how I feel about EtR?
@D_V
I’m not very familiar with your meta, but imo (and I know this going to sound laughable from a lurker like myself), you don’t seem to have done much in the way of scum hunting. Am I wrong and why?
@Silver
A flip revealing his alignment would help me with the flavour gaming thing I have going on. Also, I hadn’t taken the claim as gospel, perhaps they’re why we don’t get full reveals. Standard practice is to get full reveals, to me something/someone is altering that. Lying close to the truth isn’t an unsound strategy.
@Tom
Do you mean how I feel about EtR?
@D_V
I’m not very familiar with your meta, but imo (and I know this going to sound laughable from a lurker like myself), you don’t seem to have done much in the way of scum hunting. Am I wrong and why?
Ummm
Mhhhm
Define scum hunting. Cause like I guess? But then nobody really has? I see what you are saying sort of, but feel like that's a characterization of the game that is sort of reductive. If you're asking why I haven't written pages like I did in play station. That takes a certain mood and I'm also too busy to do that.
I largely process of elimination the game. I find townies then work backwards. I feel decently confidant on my last list I just made.
Dont think theres 3 in those 4 names, but theres usually 2.
DV i dont really like what hes pushing today in general (votes are good though lol) but hes easily towniest of the 4
Really lost on those ???? though. Could maybe say vez for the dv/ruma team, tubba/vaimes prolly work in the zdt worlds and etr in silver/ruma but im not sure i really believe in any of those
Still dont think 3 scum world is a thing unless multiple neutrals from rod role wording. would prolly be kami/dv i guess
Dont think theres 3 in those 4 names, but theres usually 2.
DV i dont really like what hes pushing today in general (votes are good though lol) but hes easily towniest of the 4
Really lost on those ???? though. Could maybe say vez for the dv/ruma team, tubba/vaimes prolly work in the zdt worlds and etr in silver/ruma but im not sure i really believe in any of those
Still dont think 3 scum world is a thing unless multiple neutrals from rod role wording. would prolly be kami/dv i guess
I'm town bby.
I still think Vez has to be town btw. Please only lynch as last resort.
Whoops. Fuwa's voting twice in that vote count, apparently, and I glossed over her name on the wagon. Will have to check which is correct when I get back to a PC and reassess, I guess.
Can we not lynch DV? I am 99% sure that he will flip town and he is also the only thing breathing life into the game. Like even if he is scum I'd rather have him alive to have more content than the usual.
I'm not one to do town cases, but I might if this wagon doesn't get dismantled.
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Whoops. Fuwa's voting twice in that vote count, apparently, and I glossed over her name on the wagon. Will have to check which is correct when I get back to a PC and reassess, I guess.
Can we not lynch DV? I am 99% sure that he will flip town and he is also the only thing breathing life into the game. Like even if he is scum I'd rather have him alive to have more content than the usual.
I'm not one to do town cases, but I might if this wagon doesn't get dismantled.
Vaimes is the only reasonable person voting me. So GL with that.
Votecount 1.8 (Post 771) has been corrected. Fuwa was incorrectly listed as voting both Rodemy (correct, post 534) and StinkyJoeTerry (incorrect, carryover from post 371).
Whoops. Fuwa's voting twice in that vote count, apparently, and I glossed over her name on the wagon. Will have to check which is correct when I get back to a PC and reassess, I guess.
You can check the post for yourself, unless you think I can modify Cantrip's comments somehow. Fuwa's voting twice.
Whoops. Fuwa's voting twice in that vote count, apparently, and I glossed over her name on the wagon. Will have to check which is correct when I get back to a PC and reassess, I guess.
You can check the post for yourself, unless you think I can modify Cantrip's comments somehow. Fuwa's voting twice.
Because the people voting me can't really point to anything. Its a farce case. Vez is scummy because?
The fact that you're Gozer.
The fact that you hammervoted a town you yourself stated was hardcleared before you then went back around and made absolutely sure everyone knew you hardcleared him and that you were shocked, shocked that we daykilled the guy you hammervoted to be daykilled.
The fact that you dogpiled on two separate bandwagons that each got to 4 votes within a very short span of time when it took Rodemy multiple pages to get to 4 votes even after he outed himself.
The fact that you caused a no lynch in an apparent attempt to take the bullet for Riku.
The real question is why aren't more people voting for you.
Because the people voting me can't really point to anything. Its a farce case. Vez is scummy because?
The fact that you're Gozer.
The fact that you hammervoted a town you yourself stated was hardcleared before you then went back around and made absolutely sure everyone knew you hardcleared him and that you were shocked, shocked that we daykilled the guy you hammervoted to be daykilled.
The fact that you dogpiled on two separate bandwagons that each got to 4 votes within a very short span of time when it took Rodemy multiple pages to get to 4 votes even after he outed himself.
The fact that you caused a no lynch in an apparent attempt to take the bullet for Riku.
The real question is why aren't more people voting for you.
1. Flavor gaming LOL
2. We've been over all of this.
3. A) We've been over how this doesn't even make sense as a scum tell for anyone on that wagon, see posts 1540, 1543, 1545. B) Why does this make me scummy over anyone else on that.
4. This makes me scummy how? Like what is my scum end game here. What was the scum plan. If this makes me scummy I must have done it for a reason what possible reason was this?
The real question is how you take yourself seriously. Farce of a case.
You said you were surprised I wasn't putting up more of a fight.
I have HR voting me. I don't feel like overall its very productive to even fight with HR I'm kind of doing it at this point because I'm annoyed. But even when this game ends HR strikes me as the kind of person that isn't going to take any lessons from this game. Its a waste of my time.
I have Ruma voting me. I have no idea why. Nothing to argue against and I'm not sure what he is doing.
You were voting me and might still for largely gut sorta weak reads. I even understand some of those reads, but there isn't anything really for me to argue about with you.
Ztsd is voting me for god knows what reason. The player is incompetent and is voting me for meta reasons that don't even make any sense in our given context. Once again doesn't seem productive seems like a player that is more concerned with winning the argument then trying to figure out the truth. Probably because he is scum.
And KA is voting me. Why? Because KA has a personal vendetta against me.
And yet when you talk i just kinda think youre scum
I can't help that you are bad at reading me.
Just out of curiosity can you point a finger on what it is? Because I feel like you have read my scum games as "Definitely town" for many games in a row. Since I attempt to mimic town games as scum I'm not 100% sure what you are seeing.
Like I kinda get what vaimes saw but I thought that was weak. I don't get what you see. As far as I'm concerned I should be like everyone(Other than the crazies) number one town read.
All I've done is progressed the game. I've been purposefully attempting to direct town play. I've been right about both of the flips we have seen so far since I have joined the game. I'm pretty sure my t/s list is very close to accurate at this point.
If your qualms are EOD. Then yeah I deserve that. But I ask what the hell was my scum motivation for that? I could have just sat on ztdsd and lurked. I could have left and not posted if I wanted a no lynch. Like I know you are thinking yeah I've seen DV do that as scum before, but its always with a purpose, I might attempt to obfuscate my purpose but its with a purpose. The only scenario that I can construct is all three of the wagons were on scum, but even then why wouldn't I just bus at that point.
If I am scum this game I'm playing so incredibly bad I can't imagine what my end game is. I just don't see how I'm being read as scum at all by anyone.
Right now i would say youre showy over solvey, desperate to discredit your detractors, and talking about things that largely dont matter to me
I'm trying to put more of my thoughts into thread instead of keeping ideas back. I think typically I get into trouble by not explaining what I'm thinking. Somebody said in this thread that I'm sort of throwing ideas out and seeing what sticks. That isn't really wrong. I'm not sure how that is scummy. Its really easy to fake a single thought, and to just keep pursuing it. I'm throwing a lot of ideas out there because I'm trying to solve the game, I keep moving things around a lot.
I'm not really desperate to discredit my detractors. I guess I'll flip and you'll see. I don't really think there is anything to discredit. I feel like I'm almost trying to defend myself from a case that doesn't even exist. Truthfully, I just think the people voting me are bad and their case is bad and they should listen to better players.
Ehhh? IDK man. Sure. I think we solve the game differently. I'm a lot more Ehh connections, something something. I'm a lot more big picture I think.
You are a lot more specific picture. You like to build teams. I like to look at individual play.
Which might sound like you are more specific, but I think you make specific teams and sort of fit puzzle pieces. I'm sort of IDK moving ***** around until the picture looks the right way.
I'm also a lot more willing to commit to things. You are pretty wimpy when it comes to sticking with reads. Which always makes me want to scum read you. Like right now I'm baffled you are scum reading me and part of me thinks this is almost because you have the green light from a lot of other players to have that read. But, you know it could just be different things.
You've never given a satisfactory response, and you've continually tried to say you were right about Terry when you were the one who hammered him. Get your facts straight there, buddy.
3. A) We've been over how this doesn't even make sense as a scum tell for anyone on that wagon, see posts 1540, 1543, 1545. B) Why does this make me scummy over anyone else on that.
Because you were a common denominator on both bandwagons, and on neither of them did you give an adequate rationale for your blatant bandwagoning.
4. This makes me scummy how? Like what is my scum end game here. What was the scum plan. If this makes me scummy I must have done it for a reason what possible reason was this?
Exactly that: what possible reason could you have for performing such an inexplicable action as taking a bullet for Riku, especially when you were so willing to vote him earlier in the day?
I've been right about both of the flips we have seen so far since I have joined the game.
You hammervoted Terry because you thought he was mafia, dude.
And before you say, "We've been over this," if that means that I have repeatedly pointing out how you've never given a satisfactory excuse for this, and you continually don't give a satisfactory excuse for this, then yes, we have been over this, but it's worth repeating.
Because you don't get to get away with this. And you sure as hell don't get to act like you're some sort of clairvoyant for being right on Terry when you hammervoted him.
I'm not really desperate to discredit my detractors.
If this were true, then you would never need to make ad hominem arguments, personal attacks, or at any point resort to petty insults of any kind. You would never need to call anyone bad at playing. You would never need to do any of this. You could just provide satisfactory explanations, and that would be that. But you haven't.
You're anything but a calm, rational person. When I disagreed with you when you came, within pages you completely shut down, refusing to engage, throwing a temper tantrum, angry that you couldn't mute me. Because I disagreed with you in a children's game. I at one point made a joke about how apparently I ran over your dog, because that's the only thing that could explain your caustic behavior. Amazingly, it's only gone downhill from there.
So, no, you're not Yoda. And you're certainly not this person who acts from a serene position of unperturbed confidence in himself. You're a man who lashes out at the slightest provocation, a mark indicating lack of confidence.
Damn guys. Can we tone it down with the insults please? This is a game. No need to get so heated. Nobody is incompetent or stupid. We are playing this to escape from the real world and I'm not ok with petty insults. You can explain your points without attacking people.
I understand it's a high stress situation, but I think it can be solved by more peaceful means. I'll frankly replace out if the name throwing continues.
Now onto game stuff.
@highroller: you are trying to pin the blame of terry's death when you were the one pushing it. It wasn't a hammer vote, it was a discussion about who is willing to defend terry and nobody got up to the task. Dv is certainly not the last scum so you can use your powers to find the other people in the scum team.
@DV: frankly I think you should ignore highroller and focus on convincing other people to join the silvercrys wagon. The discussion is going nowhere and clogging the thread.
@tom and vaimes: Can you put your heart into it and try to get someone lynched? I don't want another no lynch.
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DV what percent of your iso is literally just telling people theyre bad at mafia/incompetent/stupid/wrong?
Its both discrediting and bad for moving the game forward because frankly why would anyone want to engage with you.
I love you man i value dedication over a lot of things and no ones gonna say you dont pour your heart in. But this is not you driving the game in a positive direction.
I know none of this is out of your town range but its certainly not ******* townie.
And also yes your play as scum this game sucks barring, you know, the exact worlds youre scum in so lol.
@tom and vaimes: Can you put your heart into it and try to get someone lynched? I don't want another no lynch.
hi
Zdts is like 90% scum
>Role isnt likely as claimed, probable protection from ghostbuster kills, possible the delayer with the marshmallow cocoon flavor
>Target n1 doesnt make sense. Fuwa top townreads grape and vaimes.
>Freely claiming targets makes zero sense from any perspective except trying town read. And just a lot of the way hes dribbled out the full claim reeks of "but wait theres more"
>position on rod wagon, just as it became clear that was happening basically. And following what looks like a super awkward distancing attempt and no vote til he got called out on it.
>also spent several posts trying to connect people to rod while not *actually* talking about rod himself
>zdt going all in on dv. Circular reasoning since best point for dv town is zdt being scum but like man look at it in that world and tell me its not scummy af
I'm kind of in the same boat. I feel like one of either DV or ZD is scum but probably not both. The self voting was icky, but I had FUWA as more scummy than Elijah, so I lean towards ZD being scum of the two. I am not opposed to DV as a lynch though.
That's not the problem. The problem is that he lists the 5 most lynchable people as scum. The reads are too safe. Even so having me and DV above silver and ruma, but below ztd makes no sense. Ztd is never scum with me or DV.
For me it shows that EtR is just trying to push for a lynch instead of going out and making some serious statements.
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Are you reading the game? What was my take on FUWA day 1? I'll wait...
Separately: why do you think DV is harder to lynch? He's been at L-1 and he's currently at L-2.
Everyone else on that wagon other than Tubba and Vaimes is either probably NKA with Rodemy or is dead, and there's probably two wolves on the Rodemy wagon. You can claim it's Vezok, if you'd like, but that still leaves 1 in [you / Tubba / Vaimes], so...
Yeah, can we not? I prefer to avoid rumbling when possible, it brings out the worst in me. Also, yep, totally trying to pocket EtR by barely sparing him a sentence long read and not talking to him or about him at all.
Fuwa slot is self resolving, figure he'll likely be dead or there'll be a missing kill by D5 if he's for real, otherwise we can lynch him then. If he dies then we can lynch DV.
Multiple bussers is pretty much guaranteed unless there's only two wolves left... It'd have to be exactly DV+zds or something with EtR. Since there hasn't been an SK kill yet I'm guessing there's 4 wolves, so... there's probably another busser. Could be Vezok, maybe, or Vaimes+Tubba/Vaimes+Ruma. Would like to find the first one though before I start down that path.
How do you expect to get information about roles and power level from a flip that contains nothing but a name and an alignment?
Hmm. I'd rather lynch someone who was on the Rodemy wagon, I think, but it looks like we're pretty dead set on lynching off wagon. Leaning towards voting DV over zdt if it comes down to it, I guess. I don't really have reads on either of them at the moment; DV is always a hard read because I always think he's scum, and zdt hasn't had a real presence that I remember. Fuwa even less so.
Hey
I was at L one because of my own self vote. I know you have an irrational hatred for me, but don't let it make you not see the facts.
Also lol at that silver scum claim. That has to be the weakest arguments I've ever seen.
"I always read DV as scum. Gives no reasons why he is scum reading me this game. ZTD has no presence even though they have plenty of posts as of today/eod. OK then."
I'll legit swap to CFDing silver.
I was having doubts about ztd. Silver just ****ed up so bad. Thanks mate glad your scum game is still awful.
Has discussion about zdt/dv effected opinion on eachother?
@silver
Fuwa was on the rodemy wagon though...
Just based on his posts the last handful of pages, I couldn't even say where his vote is right now or who he wants dead toDay.
My mental representation of DV as a town player isn't of someone who just lets a wagon on them grow like it isn't even happening, and with no real strong push on anyone.
I don't think I'm ever going to fully understand zdtsd's claim, but it's something that's sort of painted him into a corner. Scum will eventually have to shoot him or someone in a cocoon. Especially if there's only two left and a neutral.
It's a "farce case".
Hmm great, logical argument for defense. Except for the great, logical, and argument parts.
D_V's dismissal here doesn't feel like a town post.
Vezok/D_V scumteam seems pretty possible here. I have SRed both already, and this tone is super scummy. Plus, contradictory. A D_V hang is hard to get to work... but too safe because of how easy it is to hang D_V? SRing D_V is a believable read, and saying I am in the sights of "almost everyone" while D_V is not is wrong(Citation: recent votecount). Overall, this post just doesn't come from a town Vezok.
Deal with it.
@DV: Not sure what you're getting at, exactly. If you'd like to present a case for why me and zdt are wolves together, feel free, 'cause I'm pretty sure we aren't.
This isn't true at all. Don't lie to my face. You showed your hand in play station mafia. If you need me to quote you the statements you made there I can.
Spicy.
IDK why Ruma unvoted me yesterday now.
Vaimes comments IDK he's not wrong, he's just not right.
ETR has shot down to me, I agree with Vez on ETR. I'm not sure if scum, but... not as lock town as before.
Silvers responses are so crap it isn't even funny. Silver is scum. There isn't a question.
1. D_V (repl. elijah)
7. tomsloger
3. Highroller
10. vezokpiraka
9. Vaimes
8. Tubba Fett
2. EtR
4. KamikazeArchon
5. Rumanshi
11. zdtsd (repl. Fuwa
6. Silvercrys3467 (repl. RE1031)
Nothing silver says conforms to reality.
@Vaimes
Yeah **** it.
Unvote Vote Silver
A flip revealing his alignment would help me with the flavour gaming thing I have going on. Also, I hadn’t taken the claim as gospel, perhaps they’re why we don’t get full reveals. Standard practice is to get full reveals, to me something/someone is altering that. Lying close to the truth isn’t an unsound strategy.
@Tom
Do you mean how I feel about EtR?
@D_V
I’m not very familiar with your meta, but imo (and I know this going to sound laughable from a lurker like myself), you don’t seem to have done much in the way of scum hunting. Am I wrong and why?
Ummm
Mhhhm
Define scum hunting. Cause like I guess? But then nobody really has? I see what you are saying sort of, but feel like that's a characterization of the game that is sort of reductive. If you're asking why I haven't written pages like I did in play station. That takes a certain mood and I'm also too busy to do that.
I largely process of elimination the game. I find townies then work backwards. I feel decently confidant on my last list I just made.
Zd/ruma/????
Silver/ruma/????
Dv/ruma/????
In that order of likelihood imo
Dont think theres 3 in those 4 names, but theres usually 2.
DV i dont really like what hes pushing today in general (votes are good though lol) but hes easily towniest of the 4
Really lost on those ???? though. Could maybe say vez for the dv/ruma team, tubba/vaimes prolly work in the zdt worlds and etr in silver/ruma but im not sure i really believe in any of those
Still dont think 3 scum world is a thing unless multiple neutrals from rod role wording. would prolly be kami/dv i guess
I'm town bby.
I still think Vez has to be town btw. Please only lynch as last resort.
I'm not one to do town cases, but I might if this wagon doesn't get dismantled.
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I'll think about it.
Vaimes is the only reasonable person voting me. So GL with that.
You can check the post for yourself, unless you think I can modify Cantrip's comments somehow. Fuwa's voting twice.
The fact that you hammervoted a town you yourself stated was hardcleared before you then went back around and made absolutely sure everyone knew you hardcleared him and that you were shocked, shocked that we daykilled the guy you hammervoted to be daykilled.
The fact that you dogpiled on two separate bandwagons that each got to 4 votes within a very short span of time when it took Rodemy multiple pages to get to 4 votes even after he outed himself.
The fact that you caused a no lynch in an apparent attempt to take the bullet for Riku.
The real question is why aren't more people voting for you.
1. Flavor gaming LOL
2. We've been over all of this.
3. A) We've been over how this doesn't even make sense as a scum tell for anyone on that wagon, see posts 1540, 1543, 1545. B) Why does this make me scummy over anyone else on that.
4. This makes me scummy how? Like what is my scum end game here. What was the scum plan. If this makes me scummy I must have done it for a reason what possible reason was this?
The real question is how you take yourself seriously. Farce of a case.
You said you were surprised I wasn't putting up more of a fight.
I have HR voting me. I don't feel like overall its very productive to even fight with HR I'm kind of doing it at this point because I'm annoyed. But even when this game ends HR strikes me as the kind of person that isn't going to take any lessons from this game. Its a waste of my time.
I have Ruma voting me. I have no idea why. Nothing to argue against and I'm not sure what he is doing.
You were voting me and might still for largely gut sorta weak reads. I even understand some of those reads, but there isn't anything really for me to argue about with you.
Ztsd is voting me for god knows what reason. The player is incompetent and is voting me for meta reasons that don't even make any sense in our given context. Once again doesn't seem productive seems like a player that is more concerned with winning the argument then trying to figure out the truth. Probably because he is scum.
And KA is voting me. Why? Because KA has a personal vendetta against me.
I can't help that you are bad at reading me.
Just out of curiosity can you point a finger on what it is? Because I feel like you have read my scum games as "Definitely town" for many games in a row. Since I attempt to mimic town games as scum I'm not 100% sure what you are seeing.
All I've done is progressed the game. I've been purposefully attempting to direct town play. I've been right about both of the flips we have seen so far since I have joined the game. I'm pretty sure my t/s list is very close to accurate at this point.
If your qualms are EOD. Then yeah I deserve that. But I ask what the hell was my scum motivation for that? I could have just sat on ztdsd and lurked. I could have left and not posted if I wanted a no lynch. Like I know you are thinking yeah I've seen DV do that as scum before, but its always with a purpose, I might attempt to obfuscate my purpose but its with a purpose. The only scenario that I can construct is all three of the wagons were on scum, but even then why wouldn't I just bus at that point.
If I am scum this game I'm playing so incredibly bad I can't imagine what my end game is. I just don't see how I'm being read as scum at all by anyone.
I'm trying to put more of my thoughts into thread instead of keeping ideas back. I think typically I get into trouble by not explaining what I'm thinking. Somebody said in this thread that I'm sort of throwing ideas out and seeing what sticks. That isn't really wrong. I'm not sure how that is scummy. Its really easy to fake a single thought, and to just keep pursuing it. I'm throwing a lot of ideas out there because I'm trying to solve the game, I keep moving things around a lot.
I'm not really desperate to discredit my detractors. I guess I'll flip and you'll see. I don't really think there is anything to discredit. I feel like I'm almost trying to defend myself from a case that doesn't even exist. Truthfully, I just think the people voting me are bad and their case is bad and they should listen to better players.
Ehhh? IDK man. Sure. I think we solve the game differently. I'm a lot more Ehh connections, something something. I'm a lot more big picture I think.
You are a lot more specific picture. You like to build teams. I like to look at individual play.
Which might sound like you are more specific, but I think you make specific teams and sort of fit puzzle pieces. I'm sort of IDK moving ***** around until the picture looks the right way.
I'm also a lot more willing to commit to things. You are pretty wimpy when it comes to sticking with reads. Which always makes me want to scum read you. Like right now I'm baffled you are scum reading me and part of me thinks this is almost because you have the green light from a lot of other players to have that read. But, you know it could just be different things.
You've never given a satisfactory response, and you've continually tried to say you were right about Terry when you were the one who hammered him. Get your facts straight there, buddy.
Because you were a common denominator on both bandwagons, and on neither of them did you give an adequate rationale for your blatant bandwagoning.
Exactly that: what possible reason could you have for performing such an inexplicable action as taking a bullet for Riku, especially when you were so willing to vote him earlier in the day?
You hammervoted Terry because you thought he was mafia, dude.
And before you say, "We've been over this," if that means that I have repeatedly pointing out how you've never given a satisfactory excuse for this, and you continually don't give a satisfactory excuse for this, then yes, we have been over this, but it's worth repeating.
Because you don't get to get away with this. And you sure as hell don't get to act like you're some sort of clairvoyant for being right on Terry when you hammervoted him.
If this were true, then you would never need to make ad hominem arguments, personal attacks, or at any point resort to petty insults of any kind. You would never need to call anyone bad at playing. You would never need to do any of this. You could just provide satisfactory explanations, and that would be that. But you haven't.
You're anything but a calm, rational person. When I disagreed with you when you came, within pages you completely shut down, refusing to engage, throwing a temper tantrum, angry that you couldn't mute me. Because I disagreed with you in a children's game. I at one point made a joke about how apparently I ran over your dog, because that's the only thing that could explain your caustic behavior. Amazingly, it's only gone downhill from there.
So, no, you're not Yoda. And you're certainly not this person who acts from a serene position of unperturbed confidence in himself. You're a man who lashes out at the slightest provocation, a mark indicating lack of confidence.
I understand it's a high stress situation, but I think it can be solved by more peaceful means. I'll frankly replace out if the name throwing continues.
Now onto game stuff.
@highroller: you are trying to pin the blame of terry's death when you were the one pushing it. It wasn't a hammer vote, it was a discussion about who is willing to defend terry and nobody got up to the task. Dv is certainly not the last scum so you can use your powers to find the other people in the scum team.
@DV: frankly I think you should ignore highroller and focus on convincing other people to join the silvercrys wagon. The discussion is going nowhere and clogging the thread.
@tom and vaimes: Can you put your heart into it and try to get someone lynched? I don't want another no lynch.
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Its both discrediting and bad for moving the game forward because frankly why would anyone want to engage with you.
I love you man i value dedication over a lot of things and no ones gonna say you dont pour your heart in. But this is not you driving the game in a positive direction.
I know none of this is out of your town range but its certainly not ******* townie.
And also yes your play as scum this game sucks barring, you know, the exact worlds youre scum in so lol.
Zdts is like 90% scum
>Role isnt likely as claimed, probable protection from ghostbuster kills, possible the delayer with the marshmallow cocoon flavor
>Target n1 doesnt make sense. Fuwa top townreads grape and vaimes.
>Freely claiming targets makes zero sense from any perspective except trying town read. And just a lot of the way hes dribbled out the full claim reeks of "but wait theres more"
>position on rod wagon, just as it became clear that was happening basically. And following what looks like a super awkward distancing attempt and no vote til he got called out on it.
>also spent several posts trying to connect people to rod while not *actually* talking about rod himself
>zdt going all in on dv. Circular reasoning since best point for dv town is zdt being scum but like man look at it in that world and tell me its not scummy af