No, my colors/types were not initially in my role PM. I asked pretty shortly afterwards, and I was told I am both green and black. Asked for confirmation the day of my claiming, no response yet.
I forgot to mention something. I revive someone just for a day as a Black Zombie in addition to their other types. No role that cares about color has been revealed yet, but I think Black might be more important than in general.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I guess i'll go.
Im deathrite shaman
Im the doc and i can self-protect.
If i get rid of a town corpse i can protect someone else.
If i get rid of a mafia or neutral corpse i can self protect.
If one of my targets becomes invalid my ability fails.
Last night i tried to get rid of the goblin corpse to protect highroller, but failed because the corpse was already devoured.
I think i like my vote on dan. Also az's play today seems really odd.
I did not target d1, because I didn't want to blow my shot. I fired today at Terry very early in the day, because either the town gets an extra vig shot (what I expected/hoped for), or I catch him in a lie about whether he can fire multiple times.
Then, my attempt to motivate Terry failed, indicating he has nothing I can boost. He has no additional actions he can take tonight that are not one shots. When he says he can still investigate if someone is land and can then kill them - not true.
Wait, if that's the case, then Terry cannot be mafia, right? If he were mafia, he'd have an ability that allows him to kill people, which is definitely not a one-shot ability.
@HR: Do you feel comfortable sharing whether or not your vig shot can hit creatures?
Sure, I'll do a tell-all after Iso goes and we clear up the remaining loose ends from everyone. I want people to claim quests, and I don't want to claim how mine works until they do.
Claims so far:
Claimed
ganderin_dan - Golgari Grave-Troll [banned in Modern], creature, green (and black??), gains BP ability after consuming a certain number of corpses [requires clarification on number]
vezokpiraka - Recurring Nightmare [banned in Commander, Limited], enchantment, black, resurrector. Chooses a living and a dead person, if living dies at night, dead rises. Quest: after two unsuccessful attempts, gains an a more accurate resurrection ability, but only resurrects for one day as a black zombie in addition to everything else.
Azrael - Time Walk [Banned in Legacy and Commander, restricted in Vintage], Sorcery, blue, targets someone who can take an extra action provided that action is not a one-shot ability, target during day, more to role [requires further details]
Axelrod - Painter's Servant [banned in Commander], creature, Artifact, can target a player at night and learn Races/Card types; has a quest, yet unclaimed [requires further details]
KamikazeArchon - Lin Sivvi [banned in Block], Creature, white, converts town to white rebels, no effect on mafia, protection-immune, may produce false results
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - [no name claim] claimed vig, can only kill lands, can investigate if a person is a land or not, loses ability once killed.
rezombied - Deathrite Shaman [banned in Modern and Legacy], creature, green/black, doctor, can self-protect, requires eating corpses, eating a town corpse = protect, eating a mafia or neutral corpse = self protect.
Yet to claim
Iso
Highroller - Goblin Recruiter [banned in Legacy], creature, red, three abilities claimed: 1. creates a town goblin corpse each day; 2. creates 2 goblin corpses of variable alignment (town, neutral, mafia, his choice) upon death; 3. vig ability - details yet to be claimed [requires follow up]
Great, so now all we need is Iso, me, and some loose ends from people.
Claims so far:
Claimed
ganderin_dan - Golgari Grave-Troll [banned in Modern], creature, green (and black??), gains BP ability after consuming a certain number of corpses [requires clarification on number]
vezokpiraka - Recurring Nightmare [banned in Commander, Limited], enchantment, black, resurrector. Chooses a living and a dead person, if living dies at night, dead rises. Quest: after two unsuccessful attempts, gains an a more accurate resurrection ability, but only resurrects for one day as a black zombie in addition to everything else.
Azrael - Time Walk [Banned in Legacy and Commander, restricted in Vintage], Sorcery, blue, targets someone who can take an extra action provided that action is not a one-shot ability, target during day, more to role [requires further details]
Axelrod - Painter's Servant [banned in Commander], creature, Artifact, can target a player at night and learn Races/Card types; has a quest, yet unclaimed [requires further details]
KamikazeArchon - Lin Sivvi [banned in Block], Creature, white, converts town to white rebels, no effect on mafia, protection-immune, may produce false results
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - Zuran Orb [banned in Block], artifact, claimed vig, can only kill lands, can investigate if a person is a land or not, loses ability once killed.
rezombied - Deathrite Shaman [banned in Modern and Legacy], creature, green/black, doctor, can self-protect, requires eating corpses, eating a town corpse = protect, eating a mafia or neutral corpse = self protect.
Yet to claim
Iso
Highroller - Goblin Recruiter [banned in Legacy], creature, red, three abilities claimed: 1. creates a town goblin corpse each day; 2. creates 2 goblin corpses of variable alignment (town, neutral, mafia, his choice) upon death; 3. vig ability - details yet to be claimed [requires follow up]
Hmm, a role interaction that occurred to me: assuming Axelrod isn't the scum, he can kind of "chase" me? I was thinking that odds are good that I die at some point, possibly immediately, and I won't have a chance to give the info from my final night. But since I change their types, if Axelrod spots another Rebel, that will confirm that I hit them and they are town-or-godfather.
We could do this coordinated with me calling my targets ahead of time - but even if we don't, or if there's redirects or whatever, it will be possible to guess and get a chance to get that bonus info.
Regarding my claim. I revive people for just one day regardless of it's from the normal ability or the upgraded one. It's also one-shot. From the claim wall it seemed like I revive people forever with my first ability and just for a day with the second one and wanted to clarify.
Right now ganderin role sounds the worst out of everything. Why would town have a doc that can self protect and a bodyguard and both need to eat stuff from the graveyard.
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In the meantime, ganderin and Axelrod, claim your stuff in full.
Claims so far:
Claimed
ganderin_dan - Golgari Grave-Troll [banned in Modern], creature, green (and black??), gains BP ability after consuming a certain number of corpses [requires clarification on number]
vezokpiraka - Recurring Nightmare [banned in Commander, Limited], enchantment, black, resurrector. Chooses a living and a dead person, if living dies at night, dead rises. Quest: after two unsuccessful attempts, gains an a more accurate resurrection ability, but only resurrects for one day as a black zombie in addition to everything else. Ability is one-shot either way.
Azrael - Time Walk [Banned in Legacy and Commander, restricted in Vintage], Sorcery, blue, targets someone who can take an extra action provided that action is not a one-shot ability, target during day, more to role [requires further details]
Axelrod - Painter's Servant [banned in Commander], creature, Artifact, can target a player at night and learn Races/Card types; has a quest, yet unclaimed [requires further details]
KamikazeArchon - Lin Sivvi [banned in Block], Creature, white, converts town to white rebels, no effect on mafia, protection-immune, may produce false results
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - Zuran Orb [banned in Block], artifact, claimed vig, can only kill lands, can investigate if a person is a land or not, loses ability once killed.
rezombied - Deathrite Shaman [banned in Modern and Legacy], creature, green/black, doctor, can self-protect, requires eating corpses, eating a town corpse = protect, eating a mafia or neutral corpse = self protect.
Yet to claim
Iso
Highroller - Goblin Recruiter [banned in Legacy], creature, red, three abilities claimed: 1. creates a town goblin corpse each day; 2. creates 2 goblin corpses of variable alignment (town, neutral, mafia, his choice) upon death; 3. vig ability - details yet to be claimed [requires follow up]
Out of all the claims, ganderin's is the one that fits best as mafia. They need a way to remove corpses from the graveyard to counter my role and I find it weird that two town people have to fight over the same resource.
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I held back one thing from my initial claim, because I had an unusual result and I wanted to see if any of the other claimers were going to explain/take responsibility for it, but that didn't happen (yet).
In addition to getting a player's card types, I also get their colors.
I targeted Dan last night. I got that he was a Green and Black Creature - Skeleton Troll. Looking through the entire banned list I deduced that the only card this could be was the Golgari Grave Troll. I further deduced (and this was not exactly rocket science) that he was probably the role that ate the Goblin out of the graveyard last night. I thought this might be a point in Dan's favor actually, as per my earlier theory-crafting post, as I made the assumption that - at least until there were multiple people claiming roles that interacted with those graveyard goblins - the role that did that was probably Town.
The thing that stuck out most, however, was that he was "Black" where the Grave Troll is a mono-green creature. What was that all about? I shot an immediate query to the mod. as to whether he might, per chance, have made an error, and was told that there was no error. So I assumed that something happened last night that turned Dan black. I thought this might be another point in Dan's favor initially. Because, I thought, maybe the scum have a role that turns people "black" and maybe that messes with Cop results or something, or if it was a Townie that did it to him, they would claim it, but again, unless I am missing something, no one has claimed any roles that turn people other colors (yet) and no one has claimed a role that even cares what color someone is.
Which is kind of odd to me, because that's part of my "quest" ability. After I've successfully targeted two people, the third night I gain the ability, in addition, to specify a card type and color, and my target gains that card type and color. Seems like the card type part was potentially meaningful, in as much as Terry could only hit lands, and I could turn someone into a land. But with Terry being 1-shot, seems like the odds that would end up being relevant were small. I don't see where any other roles - at least as currently claimed - care about what someone's card type or color is. Maybe someone else is holding something back?
In any event, with Vez resurrecting people out of the Graveyard, and Rezombied needing to use corpses as well, my earlier speculation that Dan's role is more likely Town is completely rescinded, in as much as it appears his role is actively hindering those other roles. I still don't understand why he is "Black." Maybe he becomes black when he eats a corpse, but then it seems like he ought to have been informed of that. Maybe it's some other ability he didn't claim, which might indicate he's scum. Maybe the scum did do something to him to turn him black - except the fact that Dan is claiming he wasn't even given his color initially seems to argue against that. This is why I was kind of harping on that issue with him. Maybe our mod. just made a complete boo boo and only thought that the Grave troll was a Green and Black creature and never looked it up at all, but that seem's less likely to me.
Here's my claim post again. I deliberately did this to get out in front of Dan's claim, and also the claim of anyone else who might have claimed an action or ability that turned Dan Black, just so I could point back to it to "prove" that I knew Dan was black before said claim:
Dude, you have to see that the odds of Terry being scum here are astronomically small. Astronomically. Notwithstanding the fact that, yes, it is technically a non-zero possibility. I do remember the last game I played with Terry, and in that game he was stubborn and kind of did what he wanted regardless of whether it was a good idea or not . So his refusal to claim anything more here is not at all inconsistent or suspicious.
But on that topic, I kind of want to just go ahead and start claiming things. Less because I think it's absolutely the best idea ever and more because I'm kinda bored. Kinda. I want to more it forward, and I have a hard time seeing how we lose from this position (famous last words, I know). So anyway, I will start with just this:
I am the Painter's Servant. I can target a player at night and learn their Races/Card Types. Like, had I targeted Bur or Cantrip my result would have been "Legendary Land". If I targeted myself my result is "Artifact Creature - Scarecrow." I targeted someone last night and have a result. Won't say who just yet, but the result was unusual enough that I'm pretty sure I know their card. I also have a "Quest" ability that turns on at a certain point but I guess I'll keep that one under wraps for the moment too. This ability seems not that great. The odds that a scum false-claims their card/race/type appears low to me, but still potentially useful, and maybe moreso in combination with others. So there it is.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Is everyone waiting on Iso? We can start talking about the situation already, I think. He gave at least a partial claim earlier.
Dan is currently a pretty solid lynch both mechanically and behaviorally.
I think we can do a bit of coordination here with abilities. I think, given Axelrod's claim, I should be announcing my targets before each Night. Iso has claimed some kind of Watcher; assuming that's not one-shot or otherwise limited, he should consider watching me, rezombied or one of the confirmed townies. Rezombied should probably doc Iso.
I doubt mafia lied about their card - there's simply no reason to do so - so Axelrod does whatever. If we don't lynch Dan, he should definitely not eat any corpses; I'll consider corpse-eating by dan to be a scumclaim at this point.
Vezok should "watch for death" on the same set of targets that Iso is going to watch, for the same reason (likely to eat an NK). They should both probably not announce exactly who they're targeting in that set.
I think I only support lynches on Dan, Az or Vezok today, and I'm pretty sure Dan is the right choice of those.
Each night I can target a person (not goblin corpse) in the graveyard and a person who is alive. If the living person is killed, the dead person comes back to life for 1 day. If I use this ability twice unsuccessfully I lose it and gain an ability that says that I target someone in the graveyard and they get resurrected for a day.
We lynched grapefruit who was mafia yesterday, but I really wanted to get to my better ability so I targeted him and rezombied as I thought nobody would kill rezom.
As you can see my claim is unprovable until night 3 or if I get lucky during night 2.
Is anybody else just ignoring the fact that vezok could have accidentally revived scum?
Dude, calm your tits. I said in sign-ups that I wouldn't be posting on my weekends. My weekend is now over and I am now posting.
I'm Mind's Desire. I can target a player every Night. If that person is targeted by an ability, I get an additional vote. If I don't use my ability, I lose all of my extra votes, and if I target somebody that wasn't targeted that Night, I lose all of my extra votes. My additional votes are cumulative, but I also lose all of my extra votes in a LyoL situation.
I didn't think there was a Cop because my ability functions as a quasi-Watcher, and largely, the MTGS meta has strayed away from Cops, in general.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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I haven't thought of a comprehensive plan, but I'm thinking that doc protects whoever, KA cops either me, axel or az. I'm not sure where Az's shot should go as KA is unprotectable, only cantrip can be revived so I'm out. I think making rezombied save someone and protect himself is the best course of action.
Axel can do whatever to finish his quest as I don't think anyone lied about their cards. The weirdest one is gan with the GB grave troll, but that's confirmed from separate sources.
I think we just lynch ganderin at this point as all the other claims are either more useful, or make more sense as town. Even if gan is town, just by claim PoE he is going to a be liability somewhere down the road.
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2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If gan is not scum KA is almost certainly going to be the NK, but we can use your role in tandem with axelrod's and you both target the same person and you can act as verification that axelrod followed the plan.
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2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I meant targeting someone else except KA. I deleted some sentences and the post lost sense.
If you target KA the most probable outcome is that he gets killed and you get a double vote, but there is a small chance the scum kill someone else and you don't get the double vote.
You and axelrod targeting the same person means that you are guaranteed to get your extra vote or that axelrod didn't follow the plan.
@IsO: Is your extra vote on the votecount? If so Iso is easily confirmable as town next morning as scum having a double-voter ++ is insane. Scum will never have to guess who to target as they know who their friends target.
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2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Dude, calm your tits. I said in sign-ups that I wouldn't be posting on my weekends. My weekend is now over and I am now posting.
Oh, my fault man, sorry.
I'm Mind's Desire. I can target a player every Night. If that person is targeted by an ability, I get an additional vote. If I don't use my ability, I lose all of my extra votes, and if I target somebody that wasn't targeted that Night, I lose all of my extra votes. My additional votes are cumulative, but I also lose all of my extra votes in a LyoL situation.
Ok then.
I'm not even going to bother waiting for ganderin_dan. I'm going to go ahead and assume it's two corpses he needs to consume.
I'm Highroller. As previously stated, I am the Goblin Recruiter, I am a creature, I am red, and I have three abilities, one regular, and two quests.
The first ability is every day before dawn I create a town Mon's Goblin Raiders in the graveyard.
Quest 1 is if I die, I create two goblin cards of my choice of any alignment (town, mafia, or neutral) into the graveyard to go with me. That's the quest. Dying. Dying isn't a quest, Wuffles!
Quest 2 is if more than one goblin corpse is desecrated from the graveyard, I gain a one-shot daykill ability. The problem is, the flavor behind it is I'm commanding one of the goblins to go kill a guy. Goblins are not smart. So basically, if I try to daykill someone, I need to not only name the player, but correctly name that player's card types and colors. If I am exact on all of these, the person gets killed. If I incorrectly name any of them, a random person will get killed.
So, yeah. Just bask in the irony of the fact that it's a mafia game themed entirely around overpowered cards, and most of our abilities are moderately-to-severely gimped. I was basically planning on using mine if the town were ever close to lynching me, as without the mass claim, it would be totally useless.
So is there anyone who doesn't think ganderin_dan should be the lynch?
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I've got some errands to run today and haven't spent any time thinking about strategy yet, but I plan to. So, I'd ask there be no lynching until I can do at least a rough run down. That probably doesn't change the fact that Dan is looking like the guy (and both the heavy lurkers were scum, the end). But, you know, alternate plans if it's somehow wrong.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Okay, yeah, I just hardcore reviewed the claims and dan's makes the least sense, I think.
If dan isn't scum, we really should lynch vezok next, I feel.
After that...I guess Axelrod's ability seems the most out of place? I can't determine an actual function for his ability outside of messing with other color-based abilities, which means the last scum probably isn't claiming something.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Okay, yeah, I just hardcore reviewed the claims and dan's makes the least sense, I think.
If dan isn't scum, we really should lynch vezok next, I feel.
After that...I guess Axelrod's ability seems the most out of place? I can't determine an actual function for his ability outside of messing with other color-based abilities, which means the last scum probably isn't claiming something.
It's a flavorcop, which is more effective in a Magic-based game than in others; e.g. if you're looking for someone who messed with the graveyard, and you see that a player is a Red Creature, you can be pretty sure it wasn't them.
@Highroller: For your second quest, do you need two goblins to go away ever, or do you need two to go away at one time?
@Highroller: well that certainly explains why you were pushing so hard for claims.
Well I also legit believe that mass claims help the town.
But yeah, with this, we should get essentially two lynch attempts tomorrow provided I'm still alive. So, rezombied, food for thought when determining who to protect.
That took far too long to work our way through. *sigh*
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Will have more to say when everyone's done.
Im deathrite shaman
Im the doc and i can self-protect.
If i get rid of a town corpse i can protect someone else.
If i get rid of a mafia or neutral corpse i can self protect.
If one of my targets becomes invalid my ability fails.
Last night i tried to get rid of the goblin corpse to protect highroller, but failed because the corpse was already devoured.
I think i like my vote on dan. Also az's play today seems really odd.
Also: ganderin, claim how many corpses. Iso, claim why you didn't think there was a cop. Axelrod, claim your quest. Everyone claim everything.
Wait, if that's the case, then Terry cannot be mafia, right? If he were mafia, he'd have an ability that allows him to kill people, which is definitely not a one-shot ability.
Sure, I'll do a tell-all after Iso goes and we clear up the remaining loose ends from everyone. I want people to claim quests, and I don't want to claim how mine works until they do.
Claims so far:
Claimed
ganderin_dan - Golgari Grave-Troll [banned in Modern], creature, green (and black??), gains BP ability after consuming a certain number of corpses [requires clarification on number]
vezokpiraka - Recurring Nightmare [banned in Commander, Limited], enchantment, black, resurrector. Chooses a living and a dead person, if living dies at night, dead rises. Quest: after two unsuccessful attempts, gains an a more accurate resurrection ability, but only resurrects for one day as a black zombie in addition to everything else.
Azrael - Time Walk [Banned in Legacy and Commander, restricted in Vintage], Sorcery, blue, targets someone who can take an extra action provided that action is not a one-shot ability, target during day, more to role [requires further details]
Axelrod - Painter's Servant [banned in Commander], creature, Artifact, can target a player at night and learn Races/Card types; has a quest, yet unclaimed [requires further details]
KamikazeArchon - Lin Sivvi [banned in Block], Creature, white, converts town to white rebels, no effect on mafia, protection-immune, may produce false results
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - [no name claim] claimed vig, can only kill lands, can investigate if a person is a land or not, loses ability once killed.
rezombied - Deathrite Shaman [banned in Modern and Legacy], creature, green/black, doctor, can self-protect, requires eating corpses, eating a town corpse = protect, eating a mafia or neutral corpse = self protect.
Yet to claim
Iso
Highroller - Goblin Recruiter [banned in Legacy], creature, red, three abilities claimed: 1. creates a town goblin corpse each day; 2. creates 2 goblin corpses of variable alignment (town, neutral, mafia, his choice) upon death; 3. vig ability - details yet to be claimed [requires follow up]
Claims so far:
Claimed
ganderin_dan - Golgari Grave-Troll [banned in Modern], creature, green (and black??), gains BP ability after consuming a certain number of corpses [requires clarification on number]
vezokpiraka - Recurring Nightmare [banned in Commander, Limited], enchantment, black, resurrector. Chooses a living and a dead person, if living dies at night, dead rises. Quest: after two unsuccessful attempts, gains an a more accurate resurrection ability, but only resurrects for one day as a black zombie in addition to everything else.
Azrael - Time Walk [Banned in Legacy and Commander, restricted in Vintage], Sorcery, blue, targets someone who can take an extra action provided that action is not a one-shot ability, target during day, more to role [requires further details]
Axelrod - Painter's Servant [banned in Commander], creature, Artifact, can target a player at night and learn Races/Card types; has a quest, yet unclaimed [requires further details]
KamikazeArchon - Lin Sivvi [banned in Block], Creature, white, converts town to white rebels, no effect on mafia, protection-immune, may produce false results
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - Zuran Orb [banned in Block], artifact, claimed vig, can only kill lands, can investigate if a person is a land or not, loses ability once killed.
rezombied - Deathrite Shaman [banned in Modern and Legacy], creature, green/black, doctor, can self-protect, requires eating corpses, eating a town corpse = protect, eating a mafia or neutral corpse = self protect.
Yet to claim
Iso
Highroller - Goblin Recruiter [banned in Legacy], creature, red, three abilities claimed: 1. creates a town goblin corpse each day; 2. creates 2 goblin corpses of variable alignment (town, neutral, mafia, his choice) upon death; 3. vig ability - details yet to be claimed [requires follow up]
We could do this coordinated with me calling my targets ahead of time - but even if we don't, or if there's redirects or whatever, it will be possible to guess and get a chance to get that bonus info.
Right now ganderin role sounds the worst out of everything. Why would town have a doc that can self protect and a bodyguard and both need to eat stuff from the graveyard.
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In the meantime, ganderin and Axelrod, claim your stuff in full.
Claims so far:
Claimed
ganderin_dan - Golgari Grave-Troll [banned in Modern], creature, green (and black??), gains BP ability after consuming a certain number of corpses [requires clarification on number]
vezokpiraka - Recurring Nightmare [banned in Commander, Limited], enchantment, black, resurrector. Chooses a living and a dead person, if living dies at night, dead rises. Quest: after two unsuccessful attempts, gains an a more accurate resurrection ability, but only resurrects for one day as a black zombie in addition to everything else. Ability is one-shot either way.
Azrael - Time Walk [Banned in Legacy and Commander, restricted in Vintage], Sorcery, blue, targets someone who can take an extra action provided that action is not a one-shot ability, target during day, more to role [requires further details]
Axelrod - Painter's Servant [banned in Commander], creature, Artifact, can target a player at night and learn Races/Card types; has a quest, yet unclaimed [requires further details]
KamikazeArchon - Lin Sivvi [banned in Block], Creature, white, converts town to white rebels, no effect on mafia, protection-immune, may produce false results
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - Zuran Orb [banned in Block], artifact, claimed vig, can only kill lands, can investigate if a person is a land or not, loses ability once killed.
rezombied - Deathrite Shaman [banned in Modern and Legacy], creature, green/black, doctor, can self-protect, requires eating corpses, eating a town corpse = protect, eating a mafia or neutral corpse = self protect.
Yet to claim
Iso
Highroller - Goblin Recruiter [banned in Legacy], creature, red, three abilities claimed: 1. creates a town goblin corpse each day; 2. creates 2 goblin corpses of variable alignment (town, neutral, mafia, his choice) upon death; 3. vig ability - details yet to be claimed [requires follow up]
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MTGS crapped out and didn't want to write letters in my last post. That's why it has a bunch of dots at the end.
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I held back one thing from my initial claim, because I had an unusual result and I wanted to see if any of the other claimers were going to explain/take responsibility for it, but that didn't happen (yet).
In addition to getting a player's card types, I also get their colors.
I targeted Dan last night. I got that he was a Green and Black Creature - Skeleton Troll. Looking through the entire banned list I deduced that the only card this could be was the Golgari Grave Troll. I further deduced (and this was not exactly rocket science) that he was probably the role that ate the Goblin out of the graveyard last night. I thought this might be a point in Dan's favor actually, as per my earlier theory-crafting post, as I made the assumption that - at least until there were multiple people claiming roles that interacted with those graveyard goblins - the role that did that was probably Town.
The thing that stuck out most, however, was that he was "Black" where the Grave Troll is a mono-green creature. What was that all about? I shot an immediate query to the mod. as to whether he might, per chance, have made an error, and was told that there was no error. So I assumed that something happened last night that turned Dan black. I thought this might be another point in Dan's favor initially. Because, I thought, maybe the scum have a role that turns people "black" and maybe that messes with Cop results or something, or if it was a Townie that did it to him, they would claim it, but again, unless I am missing something, no one has claimed any roles that turn people other colors (yet) and no one has claimed a role that even cares what color someone is.
Which is kind of odd to me, because that's part of my "quest" ability. After I've successfully targeted two people, the third night I gain the ability, in addition, to specify a card type and color, and my target gains that card type and color. Seems like the card type part was potentially meaningful, in as much as Terry could only hit lands, and I could turn someone into a land. But with Terry being 1-shot, seems like the odds that would end up being relevant were small. I don't see where any other roles - at least as currently claimed - care about what someone's card type or color is. Maybe someone else is holding something back?
In any event, with Vez resurrecting people out of the Graveyard, and Rezombied needing to use corpses as well, my earlier speculation that Dan's role is more likely Town is completely rescinded, in as much as it appears his role is actively hindering those other roles. I still don't understand why he is "Black." Maybe he becomes black when he eats a corpse, but then it seems like he ought to have been informed of that. Maybe it's some other ability he didn't claim, which might indicate he's scum. Maybe the scum did do something to him to turn him black - except the fact that Dan is claiming he wasn't even given his color initially seems to argue against that. This is why I was kind of harping on that issue with him. Maybe our mod. just made a complete boo boo and only thought that the Grave troll was a Green and Black creature and never looked it up at all, but that seem's less likely to me.
Here's my claim post again. I deliberately did this to get out in front of Dan's claim, and also the claim of anyone else who might have claimed an action or ability that turned Dan Black, just so I could point back to it to "prove" that I knew Dan was black before said claim:
Dan is currently a pretty solid lynch both mechanically and behaviorally.
I think we can do a bit of coordination here with abilities. I think, given Axelrod's claim, I should be announcing my targets before each Night. Iso has claimed some kind of Watcher; assuming that's not one-shot or otherwise limited, he should consider watching me, rezombied or one of the confirmed townies. Rezombied should probably doc Iso.
I doubt mafia lied about their card - there's simply no reason to do so - so Axelrod does whatever. If we don't lynch Dan, he should definitely not eat any corpses; I'll consider corpse-eating by dan to be a scumclaim at this point.
Vezok should "watch for death" on the same set of targets that Iso is going to watch, for the same reason (likely to eat an NK). They should both probably not announce exactly who they're targeting in that set.
I think I only support lynches on Dan, Az or Vezok today, and I'm pretty sure Dan is the right choice of those.
votecount
Modprod on Iso, please.
Confirmed.
Is anybody else just ignoring the fact that vezok could have accidentally revived scum?
Dude, calm your tits. I said in sign-ups that I wouldn't be posting on my weekends. My weekend is now over and I am now posting.
I'm Mind's Desire. I can target a player every Night. If that person is targeted by an ability, I get an additional vote. If I don't use my ability, I lose all of my extra votes, and if I target somebody that wasn't targeted that Night, I lose all of my extra votes. My additional votes are cumulative, but I also lose all of my extra votes in a LyoL situation.
I didn't think there was a Cop because my ability functions as a quasi-Watcher, and largely, the MTGS meta has strayed away from Cops, in general.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Votecount coming in the next few hours.
I haven't thought of a comprehensive plan, but I'm thinking that doc protects whoever, KA cops either me, axel or az. I'm not sure where Az's shot should go as KA is unprotectable, only cantrip can be revived so I'm out. I think making rezombied save someone and protect himself is the best course of action.
Axel can do whatever to finish his quest as I don't think anyone lied about their cards. The weirdest one is gan with the GB grave troll, but that's confirmed from separate sources.
I think we just lynch ganderin at this point as all the other claims are either more useful, or make more sense as town. Even if gan is town, just by claim PoE he is going to a be liability somewhere down the road.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If gan is not scum KA is almost certainly going to be the NK, but we can use your role in tandem with axelrod's and you both target the same person and you can act as verification that axelrod followed the plan.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I meant targeting someone else except KA. I deleted some sentences and the post lost sense.
If you target KA the most probable outcome is that he gets killed and you get a double vote, but there is a small chance the scum kill someone else and you don't get the double vote.
You and axelrod targeting the same person means that you are guaranteed to get your extra vote or that axelrod didn't follow the plan.
@IsO: Is your extra vote on the votecount? If so Iso is easily confirmable as town next morning as scum having a double-voter ++ is insane. Scum will never have to guess who to target as they know who their friends target.
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Also, you're talking like I'm somehow not already confirmed town by KA.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
When the debris clears, the following tally was taken by MaRo, who now appears addicted to the miniature soap-opera developing between the cards.
Votecount 2.1
Ganderin_Dan (2) - vezokpiraka, rezombied
Azrael (1) - Iso
Paying cumulative upkeep: (6) - Highroller, Azrael, KamikazeArchon, ganderin_dan, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Axelrod
With 9 alive, it is FIVE to lynch.
Deadline set for 18 November, around 4:30pm wuffletime.
Axelrod, please advise what time it will be in Axelrod Time™ exactly six days from this post.
Ok then.
I'm not even going to bother waiting for ganderin_dan. I'm going to go ahead and assume it's two corpses he needs to consume.
I'm Highroller. As previously stated, I am the Goblin Recruiter, I am a creature, I am red, and I have three abilities, one regular, and two quests.
The first ability is every day before dawn I create a town Mon's Goblin Raiders in the graveyard.
Quest 1 is if I die, I create two goblin cards of my choice of any alignment (town, mafia, or neutral) into the graveyard to go with me. That's the quest. Dying. Dying isn't a quest, Wuffles!
Quest 2 is if more than one goblin corpse is desecrated from the graveyard, I gain a one-shot daykill ability. The problem is, the flavor behind it is I'm commanding one of the goblins to go kill a guy. Goblins are not smart. So basically, if I try to daykill someone, I need to not only name the player, but correctly name that player's card types and colors. If I am exact on all of these, the person gets killed. If I incorrectly name any of them, a random person will get killed.
So, yeah. Just bask in the irony of the fact that it's a mafia game themed entirely around overpowered cards, and most of our abilities are moderately-to-severely gimped. I was basically planning on using mine if the town were ever close to lynching me, as without the mass claim, it would be totally useless.
So is there anyone who doesn't think ganderin_dan should be the lynch?
I forgot that.
Also I just realised that GGT is black green because highroller needs to knows both the colors and the types.
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So - I think it's worth reminding everybody that Wuffles stated that the mafia can NK and perform an action in the same Night.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Yes, dan should be the lynch. I don't think we have much more to discuss unless someone disagrees with my outline of night actions.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I need to look at something.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If dan isn't scum, we really should lynch vezok next, I feel.
After that...I guess Axelrod's ability seems the most out of place? I can't determine an actual function for his ability outside of messing with other color-based abilities, which means the last scum probably isn't claiming something.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Highroller: For your second quest, do you need two goblins to go away ever, or do you need two to go away at one time?
Agreed.
In fact, we should take time to discuss this now: hypothetically, should Dan flip town, who would you vote to lynch next?
Well I also legit believe that mass claims help the town.
But yeah, with this, we should get essentially two lynch attempts tomorrow provided I'm still alive. So, rezombied, food for thought when determining who to protect.
I'm pretty positive it's once there's more than one goblin corpse in the graveyard who is desecrated.