I voted you joe for a gamelocked attitude which is a policy lynch for me. But sure, im framer who claimed cop and clesred tiger first. Yeah, thats reeeeeal scummy.
If I were scum that's exactly what I would have done. The miller got killed so you were safe to say that Tiger (who was an obvious townie) was green. Like that's exactly why the miller exists, is to catch scum lying about who they clear. Like, why would you even investigate such an obvious townie? I can't push this point too hard because you weren't the only one that did this, but it seems like a silly choice for a target.
Im used to powerwolfs.
Power wolfs don't bus. It's literally, the opposite of power wolfing.
mybad - i'm used to wolves being universal town reads (y)
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
@GJ - What do you think about Silver #257 and Vaimes #274 about me regarding being pure and clean? (Assuming Silver didn't just make up stuff as a mafia).
It feels strange to be voted for being too clean/pure and now for not being pure enough. I don't get it.
Agreed on planning. Just to make sure something similar does not happen tomorrow; in case Riku hangs today and flips town, does everybody agree that the best plan to at least clear one of the three surviving players is: A targets B, B targets C, C targets A, Tiger (likely night victim) targets whoever he pleases?
I need answers from JT, GJ and MS. A simple YES or NO will suffice.
I just ISO'd Silver and he avoided any interaction whatsoever with Ruma.
More and more signs pointing to Ruma as the framer.
It is never that easy though, isn't it? :|
I just ISO'd Silver and he avoided any interaction whatsoever with Ruma.
More and more signs pointing to Ruma as the framer.
It is never that easy though, isn't it? :|
Just ******* lynch me if you guys are sooooo sure you are not being screwed around. I dont have much more to add.
I am not sure if I want to lynch you.
For me the two most townie things that Ruma did was unvoting me at 3-3 and telling me to "F off framer" which seemed genuine and meant the framer isn't him lol. But both can be done by a good mafia player and doesn't cover all the signs pointing to him being the remaining mafia, which all of us covered in the last few pages.
:') ******* half the ***** Ive said points at town riku too. Like, holy *****.
51 percent had pointed to town GJ, so take that as you will
Look, Brilliant. They think your town. Meaning the discussion next day will be Joe and Meteor and not you. Im dying which is good cause if we mislynch today, i die tomorrow and its gg
So, we lynch me to clear my name for being a bad player. yay. Then you can do the actual work. Just get on with it.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
:') ******* half the ***** Ive said points at town riku too. Like, holy *****.
51 percent had pointed to town GJ, so take that as you will
Look, Brilliant. They think your town. Meaning the discussion next day will be Joe and Meteor and not you. Im dying which is good cause if we mislynch today, i die tomorrow and its gg
So, we lynch me to clear my name for being a bad player. yay. Then you can do the actual work. Just get on with it.
By saying "they think your town" I am assuming you still believe GJ is the remaining mafia?
I take it you weren't impressed with his response to your case?
:') ******* half the ***** Ive said points at town riku too. Like, holy *****.
51 percent had pointed to town GJ, so take that as you will
Look, Brilliant. They think your town. Meaning the discussion next day will be Joe and Meteor and not you. Im dying which is good cause if we mislynch today, i die tomorrow and its gg
So, we lynch me to clear my name for being a bad player. yay. Then you can do the actual work. Just get on with it.
And if I told you I would be willing to risk you tomorrow to go after meteor/terry?
However, to be prepared for this eventuality, I'd like you, GJ, to confirm or deny the proposed plan of night targets in case Ruma hangs. JT and MS have voiced their opinion, I'd like to hear from you as well.
However, to be prepared for this eventuality, I'd like you, GJ, to confirm or deny the proposed plan of night targets in case Ruma hangs. JT and MS have voiced their opinion, I'd like to hear from you as well.
Add long as we all agree to stick to our target, I agree. I don't care who i target as long as we all have someone different. We will have at least 1 free town clear.
Vaimes probably doesn't even vote me if he's a wolf (unless we're partners, lol). I don't think he would think he could actually get me mislynched if he's a wolf.
Meteor is like, the best of the rest at this point.
Tiger's been playing fine, only one or two things I saw I didn't like, just... The wolves have to be somewhere and I don't think it's GJ/Vaimes/Meteor lol.
Keep an eye on Terry, I still don't like how he handled GJ's reaction to Ruma's post and his, like, suspicion of Abu for "paranoia" still doesn't really make sense to me.
I'm voting Ruma to self pres more than anything, still not really convinced he's a wolf here but he didn't give me much of a choice here.
Hard claim cop, though I think it's pretty obvious I'm not the miller lol.
I think it's WIFOM. I don't really like putting too much weight on death posts from scum since it's really all mind games, could go either way. I rather check scum posts from before they were on their death bed, those usually give more info. Which is why I'm still leaning towards Ruma being scum, even though his D2 posts feel... less scummy.
But it does go with my theory that I was being set up, which I presented in #365 and that the plan was to set me up. Silver was FOSing me. But my conclusion was wrong, since Ruma was the first to post and he cleared me, which makes no sense whatsoever if that was indeed the plan and he was in on it.
So currently I am not willing to lynch Ruma and am not really ready to lynch at all. I know this is taking a long time. Sorry.
Follow up question regarding the targeting plan, GJ - do you see what I see?
I think it's WIFOM. I don't really like putting too much weight on death posts from scum since it's really all mind games, could go either way. I rather check scum posts from before they were on their death bed, those usually give more info. Which is why I'm still leaning towards Ruma being scum, even though his D2 posts feel... less scummy.
But it does go with my theory that I was being set up, which I presented in #365 and that the plan was to set me up. Silver was FOSing me. But my conclusion was wrong, since Ruma was the first to post and he cleared me, which makes no sense whatsoever if that was indeed the plan and he was in on it.
So currently I am not willing to lynch Ruma and am not really ready to lynch at all. I know this is taking a long time. Sorry.
Follow up question regarding the targeting plan, GJ - do you see what I see?
If you are taking about a potential problem with that plan, yes.
@GJ @Tiger don't see any scenario with that plan that we don't end up with one confirmed town.
@Tiger When I reread the post, it actually seemed to me like JT might have been set up, specially with Ruma vote immediately at day start. I think that might have been their plan rather than setting you up. I don't mind you taking the time though, it's for the best.
While I thought GentlemanJohnny may be scum, his #418 and #419 point to a town mindset which means I had to rethink everything. And to do so, I went back all the way to day 1 to read from the very beginning and slowly found some fascinating details.
I noticed the way Meteor interracted with Silver.
I noticed Joe Terry's Town core (Vaimes, Tiger and Gentleman Johnny).
I noticed Silver and Meteors discussion after the ruma 3 meteor 3 discussion.
Silver (4) - meteor, vaimes, ruma, joe
Ruma (2) - tiger, silver
Vaimes (1) - gj
With these things in mind, I took to reading day 2 again.
Meteor was the third person to claim they investigated tiger. Hmmm?
Tiger investigating me makes perfect sense, as he was utterly baffled by my change in read on him, and he is proven town.
And Joe also was bound to investigate me as he basically said as such during day 1 hammer.
That leaves Johnny and Meteor. Three people claimed to investigate tiger. One of them is scum. Joe is cleared behaviourly from my point of view.
#310 is where Meteor suggests NL and then immediately thinks it's a bad idea.
He then goes to say that I am the only option to go for.
Meteor's behaviour Day 2 just doesn't add up. I may have overreacted earlier, but now, I'm fairly sure he actually is the framer who started the lynch on his buddy
In short:
Joe Terry's towncore + his investigation on me add up as a town player.
Johnny's Attitude does make sense as a town player, his vote is an outlier, and his recent #418 and #419 are what made me re-read the entire game.
Meteor is the third person to claim he investigated tiger, his behaviour is a mess and his interactions with abu and silver day 1 are odd.
Vote:Meteor
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
There we go. I figured if you are really mafia this will happen ever since GJ changed his vote to me. The "as long as it ain't me" rears its ugly head again.
I can't believe I was right all along and it was Riku and Abu(Silver).
See how meteor portrays townie action (re-analysis?) In this stage of the game, adapting reads and re iso'ing is important. It is not a case of 'as long as its not me', its renalysing based on the information before me. Something that scum are not going to be happy with. Because the more the reads are analysed and sorted, the closer we are to catching them. Meteors game this day has been to push the lynch, instead of analyse the data.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
His behaviour is a mess and his interactions with abu and silver day 1 are odd.
This is funny from a guy who just called most of GJ posts "throwing whatever he can and see what sticks". Care to actually back this up with any facts? My behavior is not a mess and there nothing different in my interactions with Abu/Silver compared to all the other players. I challenge you to find one example of any of this.
I am insulted that GJ got a post-by-post analysis and I get this half assed attempt. I deserve better lol
I already did meteor. I am not going to argue with you, as you are scum imo. No point convincing you that you are scum - I will be persuading the others to see you as the scum, before being lynched myself.
I will be lynched.
Tiger will die.
You will be lynched as the most objectively scummy player, per the re analysis I did.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
See how meteor portrays townie action (re-analysis?) In this stage of the game, adapting reads and re iso'ing is important. It is not a case of 'as long as its not me', its renalysing based on the information before me. Something that scum are not going to be happy with. Because the more the reads are analysed and sorted, the closer we are to catching them. Meteors game this day has been to push the lynch, instead of analyse the data.
More facts twisting?
I tried to move it to the voting stage because there wasn't any new content. I was always happy to wait and discuss more if another player wanted to. Just like Tiger did, and I told him I don't mind waiting as long as he needs.
There is nothing wrong with adapting reads. However it's wrong adapting them right after you see your first read didn't match the other players impressions and you adjust your scum reads to theirs, like when you moved from JT to GJ and now from GJ to me.
I am talking about you trying to mislynch me now, rather than yourself. Then tomorrow you will find a new target per the "as long as it ain't me" route.
Hey, Ive been advocating the entire time to lynch me first, so how about you move right away from me about 'twisting facts'? scum. In fact, Im simply waiting for Tiger to come and lynch me, before they realise theyve been tricked by the framer
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
You advocating to be lynched first is silly since its against your win condition as either town as mafia. Thats also the reason why you don't self vote too, rightfully so. So excuse me if I don't buy this.
And saying you showed an example is a straight up lie because you didn't. Show me where you pointed out one post that shows my behavior is a mess or that I interacted different with Abu/Silver compared to the rest.
Who does that POE consists?
Assuming it including more than two people including yourself, then the game is not locked. In that case is it not against your wincon to get yourself lynched before me or others? Since we can mislynch 2 cops from the POE before getting to the framer, from your POV.
I don't know what I missed earlier, but this is how I see it:
I am a cop and we both have 2 votes against us with Tiger deciding. I feel like advocating to get myself lynched and out of the POE is against my wincon. Seeing as we are both at the same position, I feel it should apply to you too if you are a cop. As simple as that.
And saying you showed an example is a straight up lie because you didn't. Show me where you pointed out one post that shows my behavior is a mess or that I interacted different with Abu/Silver compared to the rest.
Guys... I’m vla on weekends, but even on slightest chance that Ruma isn’t scum, the red checks are the kiss of death. If Ruma is town, it’s 100 times worse to have potentially three red checks going into LYLO. If we go into Day 3 with Ruma and he is actually town, we have Ruma with a red check, the framer and whoever they frame. Three red checks and zero confirmed town. No thanks.
I have some problems with lynching Ruma today. First off, he was an excellent target for the framer. It was pretty obvious he will be checked. That does not mean he can't be the framer, but I think he was ripe to be red today no matter what. In hindsight, I'm pretty pissed with myself that I even checked him, should probably go for almost anyone else.
Today, he was shooting down JT, GJ and now MS for being the scum. I think scum would probably take some time and go into D2 with a plan to set up a certain player, not just spray and pray all over the roster. His demeanor seems to be a townie in distress, realizing he might have lost us the game with his weak D1 play and trying to make amends. I dislike his constant whining about how he'll be lynched when it's far from certain, but there you have it, those are my thoughts on why we shouldn't rush into Ruma lynch at this moment.
mybad - i'm used to wolves being universal town reads (y)
It feels strange to be voted for being too clean/pure and now for not being pure enough. I don't get it.
I need answers from JT, GJ and MS. A simple YES or NO will suffice.
Cool.
More and more signs pointing to Ruma as the framer.
It is never that easy though, isn't it? :|
I am not sure if I want to lynch you.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Vote: Ruma
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If anyone still has content to provide and wants me to Unvote, let me know.
For me the two most townie things that Ruma did was unvoting me at 3-3 and telling me to "F off framer" which seemed genuine and meant the framer isn't him lol. But both can be done by a good mafia player and doesn't cover all the signs pointing to him being the remaining mafia, which all of us covered in the last few pages.
51 percent had pointed to town GJ, so take that as you will
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Look, Brilliant. They think your town. Meaning the discussion next day will be Joe and Meteor and not you. Im dying which is good cause if we mislynch today, i die tomorrow and its gg
So, we lynch me to clear my name for being a bad player. yay. Then you can do the actual work. Just get on with it.
I said top two, not only two.
50% of the posts is a horrible ratio btw lol
I Lol'd
By saying "they think your town" I am assuming you still believe GJ is the remaining mafia?
I take it you weren't impressed with his response to your case?
And if I told you I would be willing to risk you tomorrow to go after meteor/terry?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
However, to be prepared for this eventuality, I'd like you, GJ, to confirm or deny the proposed plan of night targets in case Ruma hangs. JT and MS have voiced their opinion, I'd like to hear from you as well.
Add long as we all agree to stick to our target, I agree. I don't care who i target as long as we all have someone different. We will have at least 1 free town clear.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Tiger, what do you make of this post?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
But it does go with my theory that I was being set up, which I presented in #365 and that the plan was to set me up. Silver was FOSing me. But my conclusion was wrong, since Ruma was the first to post and he cleared me, which makes no sense whatsoever if that was indeed the plan and he was in on it.
So currently I am not willing to lynch Ruma and am not really ready to lynch at all. I know this is taking a long time. Sorry.
Follow up question regarding the targeting plan, GJ - do you see what I see?
If you are taking about a potential problem with that plan, yes.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
@Tiger When I reread the post, it actually seemed to me like JT might have been set up, specially with Ruma vote immediately at day start. I think that might have been their plan rather than setting you up. I don't mind you taking the time though, it's for the best.
I noticed the way Meteor interracted with Silver.
I noticed Joe Terry's Town core (Vaimes, Tiger and Gentleman Johnny).
I noticed Silver and Meteors discussion after the ruma 3 meteor 3 discussion.
Silver (4) - meteor, vaimes, ruma, joe
Ruma (2) - tiger, silver
Vaimes (1) - gj
With these things in mind, I took to reading day 2 again.
Meteor was the third person to claim they investigated tiger. Hmmm?
Tiger investigating me makes perfect sense, as he was utterly baffled by my change in read on him, and he is proven town.
And Joe also was bound to investigate me as he basically said as such during day 1 hammer.
That leaves Johnny and Meteor. Three people claimed to investigate tiger. One of them is scum. Joe is cleared behaviourly from my point of view.
#310 is where Meteor suggests NL and then immediately thinks it's a bad idea.
He then goes to say that I am the only option to go for.
Meteor's behaviour Day 2 just doesn't add up. I may have overreacted earlier, but now, I'm fairly sure he actually is the framer who started the lynch on his buddy
In short:
Joe Terry's towncore + his investigation on me add up as a town player.
Johnny's Attitude does make sense as a town player, his vote is an outlier, and his recent #418 and #419 are what made me re-read the entire game.
Meteor is the third person to claim he investigated tiger, his behaviour is a mess and his interactions with abu and silver day 1 are odd.
Vote:Meteor
Ruma (2) - Joe, meteor
Meteor (2) - gj, ruma
Not voting: tiger
I can't believe I was right all along and it was Riku and Abu(Silver).
This is funny from a guy who just called most of GJ posts "throwing whatever he can and see what sticks". Care to actually back this up with any facts? My behavior is not a mess and there nothing different in my interactions with Abu/Silver compared to all the other players. I challenge you to find one example of any of this.
I am insulted that GJ got a post-by-post analysis and I get this half assed attempt. I deserve better lol
I will be lynched.
Tiger will die.
You will be lynched as the most objectively scummy player, per the re analysis I did.
More facts twisting?
I tried to move it to the voting stage because there wasn't any new content. I was always happy to wait and discuss more if another player wanted to. Just like Tiger did, and I told him I don't mind waiting as long as he needs.
There is nothing wrong with adapting reads. However it's wrong adapting them right after you see your first read didn't match the other players impressions and you adjust your scum reads to theirs, like when you moved from JT to GJ and now from GJ to me.
I am talking about you trying to mislynch me now, rather than yourself. Then tomorrow you will find a new target per the "as long as it ain't me" route.
And saying you showed an example is a straight up lie because you didn't. Show me where you pointed out one post that shows my behavior is a mess or that I interacted different with Abu/Silver compared to the rest.
Assuming it including more than two people including yourself, then the game is not locked. In that case is it not against your wincon to get yourself lynched before me or others? Since we can mislynch 2 cops from the POE before getting to the framer, from your POV.
I am a cop and we both have 2 votes against us with Tiger deciding. I feel like advocating to get myself lynched and out of the POE is against my wincon. Seeing as we are both at the same position, I feel it should apply to you too if you are a cop. As simple as that.
Still waiting.
Today, he was shooting down JT, GJ and now MS for being the scum. I think scum would probably take some time and go into D2 with a plan to set up a certain player, not just spray and pray all over the roster. His demeanor seems to be a townie in distress, realizing he might have lost us the game with his weak D1 play and trying to make amends. I dislike his constant whining about how he'll be lynched when it's far from certain, but there you have it, those are my thoughts on why we shouldn't rush into Ruma lynch at this moment.
vote: Rumanshi
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
@GJ No need to be disappointed, I'm a cop. I'm sad you seem to think otherwise.
Hopefully this is game over now, otherwise tomorrow is gonna be fireworks.
Ruma (3) - Joe, meteor, tiger
Meteor (2) - gj, ruma
Rumanshi has been lynched
He was:
It is now night 2. Actions due in 24 hours, day will start sometime after that