I targeted tiger as my goal was to get a green check on a target that was unlikely to be framed or night killed.
I need to think about this. I think lynching the red here is mechanically correct, and then tomorrow is a coin flip with one confirmed.
Ummm guys? I just noticed a scumslip here. Does anyone see themselves writing this sentence the way GJ did if they are town? Even if I came up with this plan, I would have never written it like that. GJ brain here knows there is gonna be a tomorrow if they lynch Ruma and he doesn't even notice that he needs to pretend there MIGHT be a tomorrow in this case instead of moving on to the next day already as a given. Am I crazy here? Notice how he immediately corrects himself in the next post trying to cover for it. I mean tomorrow is always gonna be a coin flip no matter if we lynch Ruma or not as long as we make sure we target different players, so it's not like it only happens if we lynch the red that made it so important to stress out.
Yeah, I noticed the same type of thing in #329. That's why I said I'd be happy to be the one copping him tonight if it doesn't end with Ruma. I still don't see any other way to proceed today but lynching Ruma.
I don't really mind the one you quoted #329 with GJ as a townie preparing ahead for the next day.
But this #325.. this is a scumslip if I've ever seen one.
Do you think the two are similar?
Wow. I need to re-read the whole game again :|
I am being realistic, and preparing for a plan that SHOULD IT HAPPEN, WE DONT TARGET THE SAME FUCING PERSON 3 TIMES OVER.
Your choice to interpret it as a wolf who decided to open wolf with no preparation, and you think I am not stupid enough to go "Lynch here or here" and not as a townie who is pissed that the game went from locked to in throwing territory, far be it from me to stop you.
You know how I feel about gotcha tells. If you think I set up abu as a wolf read, do all this ***** of shading him only to not end up voting him for a bus, that is a greater insult than anything else said this game. Still trying to figure out if Riku is willing to admit he purposefully throws his wolf game to appear townie. I'll happily take it and then just refuse to play a game again. I don't know why people think self meta ***** like that is ok.
Meteor, your last two posts feels super opportunistic. Please justify them as the last wolf would have to justify another mislynch tomorrow, and it looks like you are already making that plan.
What do you want me to justify other than what I've said?
If I see a scumslip I am gonna post it. I am not gonna ignore it because other might try to turn that into something scummy I've done. The attempt to descredit my posts is noted though.
@Ruma: Vaimes being town does not make him auto-correct. But I do find it interesting that you decided that Vaimes read of you should prove you townie, but you disregard his read of, for instance, GJ (should be scum by Vaimes' account) or JT (should be town).
@Meteor: I didn't read that as a scumslip.
Going to re-read the thread tonight if possible. But where I stand atm, I'd say lynch Ruma. If he's town, follow GJ's plan (I'm the wild card since I'm probably dying, JT-GJ-MS create a "circle" of who targets who). Of the three, I'd say JT is the safest bet to be town. Still don't see scum!JT hammering scum!silver when they could wait for someone to change their mind and possibly hammer town!ruma.
I really think it's just Ruma and the game should be over when we Lynch him. I'm actually feeling very torn about who could be scum between Meteor or GJ if Ruma flips town, that's why I think Ruma is just going to flip scum and I can scroll my name on the mafia wall of legends for solving the game day 1.
@Tiger IM JUST TRYING TO GET YOU TO FIND THE ACTUAL SCUM. YOUR GOING TO LYNCH ME FFS SO ACTUALLY LISTEN - FIND THE NEXT SCUMMIEST PLAYER, AND LYNCH ME.
MECHANICALLY, IT WILL BE HARD TO COP CHECK BECAUSE THERE IS A FRAMER LEFT.
ERGO, GOING INTO THE NIGHT WITH NO IDEA IS A BAD IDEA. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, ACTUALLY READ WHAT IM SAYING. FIND THE REAL SCUM, AND LYNCH ME IF IT PLEASES. BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE OPTIMAL SOLUTION FOR COP CHECKING TO PROVE SCUM ALIGNMENT.
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@Tiger Well if you don't see it then its not really a scumslip. It seems obvious to me but if its not clear to other people then it means that GJ possibly really meant this as town so I'm dropping this.
@Ruma Thanks I'll take a look when I am not on the phone.
@Meteor for instance, #16 is way more of a "scum slip", and nobody raised an eyebrow then. I think it's not worth pursuing.
@Ruma no need for all caps. I posed a simple question, why do you feel Vaimes' read on you is worth mentioning, yet you do not follow his reads on JT, for instance. It is a legit question and I'd like an answer. If you are town, you will give it to me.
I just went and ISO'd vaimes and johnny
Please stop acting like this joe, it's painful to see either a town be so confident in there incorrect view, or a scum who acts superior.
But, vaimes was townreading you, so its probably not you and your just overconfident.
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@Meteor for instance, #16 is way more of a "scum slip", and nobody raised an eyebrow then. I think it's not worth pursuing.
@Ruma no need for all caps. I posed a simple question, why do you feel Vaimes' read on you is worth mentioning, yet you do not follow his reads on JT, for instance. It is a legit question and I'd like an answer. If you are town, you will give it to me.
"Eh, keep them in mind. GF flip day 1 = easy wolf game"
Its an incorrect sentence, its pretty clear he wrote wolf instead of town. So how is it a slip? Or do you mean the fact that he mixed up town and mafia implies that he is one? I gotta say now its my turn to not really see it. I don't think its unlikely to town to make this mistake and just think of mafia while we types it and get it mixed. I feel like #325 is a slip because nothing in his mind stopped him to think that the game might be over after the Ruma lynch but again you don't see it and others didn't seem to so care that much also so I'm dropping it.
Actually, im seeing a paralell between StinkyJoe with a different game I played and it ended up them being town... Congrats Joe, you're towncleared. Meteor would have ensured my lynch yesterday rsther than start the godfather train meaning....
Hey Johnny, you are the scum.
what is bothering me? Joe being the only one who has voted on me. It just doesnt seem right -> Unless joe has to be town, meaning scum doesnt want to be the middle of the train.
Therefore, it was Meteor and Johnny. But, no way does Meteor begin a train on GF, yeah. I can totally understand that now.
Its Johnny.
Vote:GentlemanJohhny
Now, if I am wrong, I apologise. But I dont see any other logicsl solution, unless Meteor did a huge powerwolf play on day 1.
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#131 is where Ruma makes his case on me. JT dislikes it, GJ dislikes it. In #135 Silver says it feels town and urges to abandon Ruma lynch. Hm. Meteor's comment in #140 also makes sense (day chat).
#131 is also where I feel Ruma sets a potential "trap" for me, asking me if abu will flip scum. I believe he was setting me up for D2 lynch if D1 lynch fails. This also fits with scum hitting Vaimes at night (which struck me as odd, since he was constantly under pressure by GJ, for instance) and not me - I honestly felt I'm the one on the chopping block, since I feel I was the most town-read player. Silver flipped scum, we can blame Tiger. Unfortunately, I got targeted by more than one player and got cleared.
#167 Silver reads Ruma as a miller, reinforces this opinion in #207. Which is convenient, if they are scum buddies. If they both survive D1 and someone checks Ruma, he can claim miller, Silver backs him, and they try to lynch the other player and thus win the game.
#207 is important in other ways as well. Silver is strongly committed to making a case on Meteor, while the wagon on Ruma persists. I doubt he would go to these lenghts to distance. It feels he swung in with too much bravado. He went for the kill. He also states he is willing to shift to JT if need be.
#210 Ruma jumps right onto the Meteor wagon which Silver started.
Kind of tired now. Confident on who the scum is anyhow.
Vote: Rumanshi
Going to re-read his posts D2 just to prevent him from having an all-caps tantrum
If Ruma ends up town, and I die at night, out of the three, I'd say JT is BY FAR the most solid town read. I'd probably lynch GJ, but I fear it may be because his "I'm town leader and you are insulting my intelligence" attitude is getting on my nerves.
Oh, and because of #207, of course. I feel Silvers willingness to switch to JT is NAI, but his fierce attack on Meteor could be. I am strongly reading JT as town from other stuff.
Sorry if you're town. There are too many "coincidences" to ignore. You were my top read D1 as well. But if you flip town, I'd say GJ is the safest bet, yes.
I'm too tired to go on right now. Will read the last few pages again tomorrow, along with responses.
This is absurd. And I think we just need to move on, but feel free if you have done *****, to do a quick iso read or try to hunt. Ima just throw darts at the board. I think tom should have put a deadline on this because it's taking too long.”
HE IS A WOLF, AND WE WANTS THIS WIN BADLY
Or, I am town trying to salvage a win after getting ***** town after ***** town on MU for the last month, and sick of following other people. Go with whichever is more likely”
Wolf material again .
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=178
“Like, Riku is bothering me more than ******* anything. His post was so bad, it actually looked town because of how bad it was. Maybe paranoid me thinks it was him just trying to anti-spew, but then he disappears and does absolutely nothing. He might be town, but he is doing 0 hunting, and whether I succeed and getting a wolf today or not, I doubt the slot going into tomorrow.”
He’s throwing around anything that sticks ffs.
16: Really. Even if I was a partner with silver (and it was clearly a typo) do you think I could have predicted the GF would have flipped like that?
20: This response Riku makes, I can tell isn't going to be a real case and just a smear campaign. But whatever, I'm bored as my kids take the Bill of Rights Quiz.
23: It was 23 posts in the game. That was a basic summary of the game, and the lock town status at 23 POSTS makes it clear I wasn't expecting anyone to lock town read me at this stage.
25: Cool, was he proven town at post 25?
39: Cool, was he proven town at post 39?
41: If I was a wolf, I would just go for it. I could target the GF, or the frame target without much suspicion. ****, I could have said I targeted the dead town player. I don't need to make it look good forever, just a single day. It doesn't prove anything, and I was kind of hoping to see if someone other than tiger tried to defend it. Think about today. If I didn't want to look bad targeting your guy, I could have said I targeted Vaimes. I don't think you are respecting that me/meteor are the only two players who have PLAYED THIS SETUP.
49: Smear campaigning. You and him were the low posting jackasses, please explain why I go after him instead of you, or this just looks like smearing.
53: He made a read post that basically said, I am ok lynching half the game. I don't get how that is shade, and not just a hunting observation, but again. We have already established that your iso of me wasn't an attempt to figure out my alliance, but merely smear me.
94: I was getting wolf vibes from him. Vaimes isn't a top poster, but is no where near this uninacteractive. His posts and tone felt off, but there wasn't a real post I could point to.
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96: Do you really think I would openlly admit to lynch an IC? I want to lynch them. Obviously all three could not be a wolf, so if one was the miller. I LYNCH THE OTHER TWO. Like ***** man, I know you aren't trying to hunt and just smear, but that's pathetic.
97: You get the point
98: Nah, just stupidly frustrated no one else is posting.
99: Just proves you don't actually know what power wolfing is.
101: Pretty sure one of the people AT THE TIME, was silver. So...try again?
@GJ Last time (Cops #1) you investigated Anak who was your scum read and a likely person to be framed. This time you targeted Tiger because you didn't want to target someone who might be framed (or NK). Why the change of strategy?
111: I don't ever kill vaimes if I am wolf in this scenario. I think Trump has thrown less smears than you have.
119: Because if he is the miller, I am not going to waste my time.
130: I was. And because Vaimes is not GJ, I was trying to get him to commit to reads. You know, because I don't have his role pm, so I don't actually know if he is a wolf or not.
133: Your post was bad, because your day 1 was bad. Even if I ignore the fact that you basically did ***** for post #, the posts you did make were throwing shade, being angry. Like, how do you expect town to figure out your alignment if you don't do anything, and the things you did do looked like nothing burgers, or over defensive posting.
142: I mean, the weak slot was a wolf, and was my statement not accurate?
159: I'll admit it was me being arrogant with a touch of frustration. And yes, deadlines for people to post more, rather than just sitting in our own ***** which was most of yesterday was.
170: Yes, his last post was weird to me. Am I not allowed to comment on anyone else?
171; Are you twtbw or just a bad wolf? I still go back and forth on that read with you. That's the reason I didn't hammer you. I am struggling to find out if you are posting far too badly to be a wolf, or if you are actually just that bad as a wolf. The AtE should just get you policy lynched, but eh.
175: It's almost like reads can change: GASP.
242: Silver I thought was posting slightly better, and Vaimes looked worse. Do you have a point you are trying to make about how people can be wrong?
299: If I wanted to lie, I just say I targeted Vaimes. Was suspicious of him, he flipped red.
326: I mean, it was obvious he does. Maybe against a bad wolf, he doesn't go after Tiger. But yes, I think every single person knew that.
354: Meteor loved it, tiger/terry weren't sold on it, and didn't you find it interesting that MEteor almost immediately backed off? If he really believed he had me caught, why would he back off like that?
If you have any more garbage to spew off feel free. Vote Meteor
@GJ Last time (Cops #1) you investigated Anak who was your scum read and a likely person to be framed. This time you targeted Tiger because you didn't want to target someone who might be framed (or NK). Why the change of strategy?
We didn't have a dead Godfather night 1. Innocent results meant ***** in cops 1.
@GJ Last time (Cops #1) you investigated Anak who was your scum read and a likely person to be framed. This time you targeted Tiger because you didn't want to target someone who might be framed (or NK). Why the change of strategy?
We didn't have a dead Godfather night 1. Innocent results meant ***** in cops 1.
OK you passed the test.
I believe you targeted Tiger now.
Why are you voting me over Ruma? Is there something in the replies to the Ruma case that made you change your mind I am the mafia over him? I haven't read the whole reply yet - just the end, is it because I backed off or there is more? just seems out of nowhere lol.
@GJ Last time (Cops #1) you investigated Anak who was your scum read and a likely person to be framed. This time you targeted Tiger because you didn't want to target someone who might be framed (or NK). Why the change of strategy?
We didn't have a dead Godfather night 1. Innocent results meant ***** in cops 1.
OK you passed the test.
I believe you targeted Tiger now.
Why are you voting me over Ruma? Is there something in the replies to the Ruma case that made you change your mind I am the mafia over him? I haven't read the whole reply yet - just the end, is it because I backed off or there is more? just seems out of nowhere lol.
Your tone has been bothering me. Riku I keep going back and forth on. Honestly, out of policy, I would just lynch him 9/10 times. But if he is town, I at least want to figure it out. Maybe we just kill him today and win. Maybe he flips town and it's me you, and terry. Hard to say.
I read you as ridiculously pure in cops 1, and I am not getting that vibe from you. Maybe I need to reread cops to see what I think I saw, but terry's tone has me reading that as town. Tiger's lock, that leaves you two.
Terry needs to post more because I need more town minds working, but I am meh. Wht do you make of Riku's post?
I was worried that you just copied Ruma choice without any thought. I had the same thoughts at night also, and the way you immediately responded with the logic means you really are a cop that had those thoughts. You could have came up with the same response as a mafia with quick wit of course, but less likely in my opinion.
Regarding Ruma latest posts - Ruma dropping the JT push who he was almost convinced was mafia suddently after people declaring him town is very sketchy. And then this big case on GJ where he finds every posts of him scummy. This just never happens to a town player. Like, where was all of this earlier in the game?
I am sensing that "as long as it ain't me" vibe he had at the earlier posts.
Meanwhile, I like GJ latest replies. Again, I had my doubts but I believe now he really targeted Tiger. Need to think more about him voting me. I actually not sure he would as mafia?
Guys, I just don't see how we Lynch anyone BUT Ruma today. This is all good discussion, but it could be pointless if we just Lynch Ruma and we win. I actually liked GJ's plan and kind of wish we planned Day 1 a bit better than we did.
So IF Ruma doesn't flip framer (who I really think started off the day voting me because he framed me and was hoping someone else checked me):
We will go into tomorrow with Me, GJ, Tiger, or Meteor. Most likely Tiger gets killed because he's conf town. Leaving me, GJ and Meteor. With two red checks, we'll have one confirmed town who basically makes the call tomorrow.
133: Your post was bad, because your day 1 was bad. Even if I ignore the fact that you basically did ***** for post #, the posts you did make were throwing shade, being angry. Like, how do you expect town to figure out your alignment if you don't do anything, and the things you did do looked like nothing burgers, or over defensive posting.
Guys, I just don't see how we Lynch anyone BUT Ruma today. This is all good discussion, but it could be pointless if we just Lynch Ruma and we win. I actually liked GJ's plan and kind of wish we planned Day 1 a bit better than we did.
So IF Ruma doesn't flip framer (who I really think started off the day voting me because he framed me and was hoping someone else checked me):
We will go into tomorrow with Me, GJ, Tiger, or Meteor. Most likely Tiger gets killed because he's conf town. Leaving me, GJ and Meteor. With two red checks, we'll have one confirmed town who basically makes the call tomorrow.
AGreed on planning. It was one of those things that is only relevant when the gf dies night 1, but since that can happen 1 in 7 games, it wouldn't have hurt to be prepared.
I voted you joe for a gamelocked attitude which is a policy lynch for me. But sure, im framer who claimed cop and clesred tiger first. Yeah, thats reeeeeal scummy.
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I voted you joe for a gamelocked attitude which is a policy lynch for me. But sure, im framer who claimed cop and clesred tiger first. Yeah, thats reeeeeal scummy.
If I were scum that's exactly what I would have done. The miller got killed so you were safe to say that Tiger (who was an obvious townie) was green. Like that's exactly why the miller exists, is to catch scum lying about who they clear. Like, why would you even investigate such an obvious townie? I can't push this point too hard because you weren't the only one that did this, but it seems like a silly choice for a target.
I voted you joe for a gamelocked attitude which is a policy lynch for me. But sure, im framer who claimed cop and clesred tiger first. Yeah, thats reeeeeal scummy.
If I were scum that's exactly what I would have done. The miller got killed so you were safe to say that Tiger (who was an obvious townie) was green. Like that's exactly why the miller exists, is to catch scum lying about who they clear. Like, why would you even investigate such an obvious townie? I can't push this point too hard because you weren't the only one that did this, but it seems like a silly choice for a target.
Im used to powerwolfs.
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I voted you joe for a gamelocked attitude which is a policy lynch for me. But sure, im framer who claimed cop and clesred tiger first. Yeah, thats reeeeeal scummy.
If I were scum that's exactly what I would have done. The miller got killed so you were safe to say that Tiger (who was an obvious townie) was green. Like that's exactly why the miller exists, is to catch scum lying about who they clear. Like, why would you even investigate such an obvious townie? I can't push this point too hard because you weren't the only one that did this, but it seems like a silly choice for a target.
Im used to powerwolfs.
Power wolfs don't bus. It's literally, the opposite of power wolfing.
But this #325.. this is a scumslip if I've ever seen one.
Do you think the two are similar?
Wow. I need to re-read the whole game again :|
Your choice to interpret it as a wolf who decided to open wolf with no preparation, and you think I am not stupid enough to go "Lynch here or here" and not as a townie who is pissed that the game went from locked to in throwing territory, far be it from me to stop you.
You know how I feel about gotcha tells. If you think I set up abu as a wolf read, do all this ***** of shading him only to not end up voting him for a bus, that is a greater insult than anything else said this game. Still trying to figure out if Riku is willing to admit he purposefully throws his wolf game to appear townie. I'll happily take it and then just refuse to play a game again. I don't know why people think self meta ***** like that is ok.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
If I see a scumslip I am gonna post it. I am not gonna ignore it because other might try to turn that into something scummy I've done. The attempt to descredit my posts is noted though.
@Meteor: I didn't read that as a scumslip.
Going to re-read the thread tonight if possible. But where I stand atm, I'd say lynch Ruma. If he's town, follow GJ's plan (I'm the wild card since I'm probably dying, JT-GJ-MS create a "circle" of who targets who). Of the three, I'd say JT is the safest bet to be town. Still don't see scum!JT hammering scum!silver when they could wait for someone to change their mind and possibly hammer town!ruma.
MECHANICALLY, IT WILL BE HARD TO COP CHECK BECAUSE THERE IS A FRAMER LEFT.
ERGO, GOING INTO THE NIGHT WITH NO IDEA IS A BAD IDEA. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, ACTUALLY READ WHAT IM SAYING. FIND THE REAL SCUM, AND LYNCH ME IF IT PLEASES. BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE OPTIMAL SOLUTION FOR COP CHECKING TO PROVE SCUM ALIGNMENT.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/790592-off-the-grid-iv-mafia-game-over-town-wins?page=17
@Ruma Thanks I'll take a look when I am not on the phone.
@Ruma no need for all caps. I posed a simple question, why do you feel Vaimes' read on you is worth mentioning, yet you do not follow his reads on JT, for instance. It is a legit question and I'd like an answer. If you are town, you will give it to me.
I just went and ISO'd vaimes and johnny
Please stop acting like this joe, it's painful to see either a town be so confident in there incorrect view, or a scum who acts superior.
But, vaimes was townreading you, so its probably not you and your just overconfident.
"Eh, keep them in mind. GF flip day 1 = easy wolf game"
Its an incorrect sentence, its pretty clear he wrote wolf instead of town. So how is it a slip? Or do you mean the fact that he mixed up town and mafia implies that he is one? I gotta say now its my turn to not really see it. I don't think its unlikely to town to make this mistake and just think of mafia while we types it and get it mixed. I feel like #325 is a slip because nothing in his mind stopped him to think that the game might be over after the Ruma lynch but again you don't see it and others didn't seem to so care that much also so I'm dropping it.
Hey Johnny, you are the scum.
what is bothering me? Joe being the only one who has voted on me. It just doesnt seem right -> Unless joe has to be town, meaning scum doesnt want to be the middle of the train.
Therefore, it was Meteor and Johnny. But, no way does Meteor begin a train on GF, yeah. I can totally understand that now.
Its Johnny.
Vote:GentlemanJohhny
Now, if I am wrong, I apologise. But I dont see any other logicsl solution, unless Meteor did a huge powerwolf play on day 1.
#131 is also where I feel Ruma sets a potential "trap" for me, asking me if abu will flip scum. I believe he was setting me up for D2 lynch if D1 lynch fails. This also fits with scum hitting Vaimes at night (which struck me as odd, since he was constantly under pressure by GJ, for instance) and not me - I honestly felt I'm the one on the chopping block, since I feel I was the most town-read player. Silver flipped scum, we can blame Tiger. Unfortunately, I got targeted by more than one player and got cleared.
#167 Silver reads Ruma as a miller, reinforces this opinion in #207. Which is convenient, if they are scum buddies. If they both survive D1 and someone checks Ruma, he can claim miller, Silver backs him, and they try to lynch the other player and thus win the game.
#207 is important in other ways as well. Silver is strongly committed to making a case on Meteor, while the wagon on Ruma persists. I doubt he would go to these lenghts to distance. It feels he swung in with too much bravado. He went for the kill. He also states he is willing to shift to JT if need be.
#210 Ruma jumps right onto the Meteor wagon which Silver started.
Kind of tired now. Confident on who the scum is anyhow.
Vote: Rumanshi
Going to re-read his posts D2 just to prevent him from having an all-caps tantrum
If Ruma ends up town, and I die at night, out of the three, I'd say JT is BY FAR the most solid town read. I'd probably lynch GJ, but I fear it may be because his "I'm town leader and you are insulting my intelligence" attitude is getting on my nerves.
JOE TUNNELING IS TOWNY
SCUM IS JOHHNY
I'm too tired to go on right now. Will read the last few pages again tomorrow, along with responses.
Joe Ingestigates Johhnt
Johnny Frames Joe
Tiger dies
Meteor and Joe both find red.
This is why mechanically lynching me is a bad idea, but you guys are set in your ways
#353 is him trying to say that im a wolf using a self meta defense and throwing - pushing the lynch harder without voting.
Mechanically, lynching me is a bad idea (the fourth cop).
Gentleman Johnny .
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/search?search-thread-id=799373&search-forum-id=&forum-scope=f&display-type=0&search=&search-type=0&by-author=Gentleman Johnny&begin-date=&begin-time=&end-date=&end-time=&min-posts=&min-views=&display-type=0&submit=y
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=16
His first post seems eerily close to what’s happening here – GF Flip, easy wolf game.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=17
He’s gonna win this time! (Not if you lynch him tomorrow).
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=18
Eh, NAI.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=20
Cool. I’m not impressed that your scumminess is slipping past everyone.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=23
This is wolf trying to grab a town status. This is obvious in hindsight.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=25
I dislike the shade here on Tiger (Proven town)
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=26
Is this saying… We shouldn’t choose who looks at who? Wait, who was saying that was a bad idea again?
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=39
This is Gentleman Johnny shading Tiger again. WHO IS PROVEN TOWN NOW.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=41
Johnny using the excuse of ‘wanna keep strategies hidden from wolves’ is a good cover for the real reason (Wants to keep his scum strategy from town)
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=42
Sure, whatever.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=49
Here is where he starts targeting silver slot. Because his scum buddy isn’t helping.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=53
Calling Meteor out for having a hard time town reading people. More shade.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=94
Here is where I think Johnny suspects Vaimes of being Miller
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=95
Sure? But, what?
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=96
Wants to lynch Tiger / Meteor / Terry …. And all the better if they are Miller. Given that these three are left today, this is an indicator to me that he is scum trying to get lynch targets.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=97
SHADING VAIMES, AGAIN
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=98
He’s powerwolfing now, trying to get clear town cred. No.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=99
Abu is a good idea to powerwolf as he is a liability. Still shading vaimes.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=101
The three people in his PoE have turned up today. Making me even more sure he is the scum (he’s set this up early)
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=102
Powerwolfing and trying to buddy up to a town player.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=106
More vaimes Shade.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=110
He’s really trying hard to get the vaimes!scum going here.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=111
‘I have this habit of dying night 1’. When still shading vaimes. Vaimes died, Johnny is scum.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=115
More arguing with vaimes
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=116
TRYING REALLY HARD TO GET THAT TOWN CRED.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=117
“I can get behind this”, the lynch on me, he says, all the while he’s been trying to push shade on Vaimes.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=119
Shading Vaimes again while calling for a claim (fishing for roleclaims is scummy)
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=122
Who’s more likely a wolf? Abu or Riku. Abu, obviously. And you were pushig that earlier :’)
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=130
Is clearly certain that the abu slot is scum here, but was questioning it earlier. Like, huh?
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=132
Hunting for the miller claim.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=133
Wants to lynch me for one sentence of my entire post :’) Scummy.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=139
Still holding onto that vaimes could be scum idea.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=142
Pushing the weak slot again.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=147
Meteor and Tiger as town, terry as decent and he leaves Abu Riku Vaimes as the leftovers to lynch. (abu slot got lynched, Vaimes got nightkilled and I’m about to die. Tiger is proven town.)
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=148
HE STILL WANTS TO LYNCH VAIMES
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=153
Correct that me disappearing wasn’t helpful, isn’t scummy though.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=154
This is a fair point.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=155
When townies are like me, they also give the wolves room to manoeuvre. So you have to take what you can get.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=156
“Case in ******* point” cool
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=159
“I mean, the way this game is playing, if I am a wolf, I bloody deserve to win.
This is absurd. And I think we just need to move on, but feel free if you have done *****, to do a quick iso read or try to hunt. Ima just throw darts at the board. I think tom should have put a deadline on this because it's taking too long.”
HE IS A WOLF, AND WE WANTS THIS WIN BADLY
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=161
He’s still shading vaimes ffs.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=170
‘Joes post feels strange’ sure.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=171
“Maybe I am being too critical. Riku is almost certainly not a wolf, whether I want to admit it or not. His attitude made me want a hammer right off the bat, but that tends to be more town, just stupid town. Suicidal stupid town.” Wolf material right there ffs.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=174
He’s not going to die Night 1 BECAUSE HE’S A WOLF. This fear is artificial and he’s trying to become town leader BECAUSE HE IS A WOLF.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=175
And now he’s planning on flipping me, after being ‘almost certain’ I am town.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=177
“Anyone wolf reading me should have their brain checked. I say that knowing full well how bad it looks, but it does. Like, if I am a wolf, start ******* posting or doing more because I deserve this win.
Or, I am town trying to salvage a win after getting ***** town after ***** town on MU for the last month, and sick of following other people. Go with whichever is more likely”
Wolf material again .
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=178
“Like, Riku is bothering me more than ******* anything. His post was so bad, it actually looked town because of how bad it was. Maybe paranoid me thinks it was him just trying to anti-spew, but then he disappears and does absolutely nothing. He might be town, but he is doing 0 hunting, and whether I succeed and getting a wolf today or not, I doubt the slot going into tomorrow.”
He’s throwing around anything that sticks ffs.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=185
Eh, sure, paranoia is usually a town trait. But not in Abu’s case.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=189
“
I made my view of Riku pretty clear.
Silver is trending slightly upward, but still wolf equity.
Meteor of all people has been losing some credit with me.”
He literally flip flopped if he should town read me or scum read me. No, he did not ‘make his view very clear’
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=190
“My biggest issue with you is you town read the person I’ve been shading”
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=222
“I would consider hammering meteor”, someone he was previously reading as TOWN DEFINITELY
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=237
Oh, really?
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=238
Look at how weirdly his reads just keep changing?
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=239
AND HE IS STILL SHADING VAIMES WHILE SAYING Silver and I are good targets? WTF
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=240
He’s throwing around shade wherever it can stick
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=242
Calls vaimes post out for being bad. WHERE HE VOTED FOR SILVER, SOMEONE WHO FLIPPED SCUM.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=243
TRYING FOR TOWN CRED AGAIN
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=299
So, he targeted his towniest read, and claimed it after I claimed my role and investigation? Nah, not buying it
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=325
Or, actually investigating behaviourally rather than RELYING ON MeCHANICs. Oh, and he knows it’ll go into night 2 and day 3
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=326
He wants tiger to be ambiguous because TIGER DIES NIGHT 2
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=328
Because I targeted tiger to clear him :’) Johnny is scum, so he didn’t target tiger
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=337
He realised he mesed up and defending. He wants to control what you do at night to make it easier on himself
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=347
He is scum. Vaimes scumread him for being scum. No cred for someone who flipped town to be townreading someone :’) Scummy AF
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=353
HE MADE THE OPPOSITE ARGUMENT YESTERDAY
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/799373-unreliable-cops-day-2-the-sound-of-the-police?comment=354
Hey, now he’s shading Meteor
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I have to think some things through. Will do so as soon as I can.
I am going by your giant AtE of I only do this as town, as in self meta. Is it your argument that you NEVER self meta as a wolf?
Il break down your car and why it's trash later today
The GJ way path to no lynching:
16: Really. Even if I was a partner with silver (and it was clearly a typo) do you think I could have predicted the GF would have flipped like that?
20: This response Riku makes, I can tell isn't going to be a real case and just a smear campaign. But whatever, I'm bored as my kids take the Bill of Rights Quiz.
23: It was 23 posts in the game. That was a basic summary of the game, and the lock town status at 23 POSTS makes it clear I wasn't expecting anyone to lock town read me at this stage.
25: Cool, was he proven town at post 25?
39: Cool, was he proven town at post 39?
41: If I was a wolf, I would just go for it. I could target the GF, or the frame target without much suspicion. ****, I could have said I targeted the dead town player. I don't need to make it look good forever, just a single day. It doesn't prove anything, and I was kind of hoping to see if someone other than tiger tried to defend it. Think about today. If I didn't want to look bad targeting your guy, I could have said I targeted Vaimes. I don't think you are respecting that me/meteor are the only two players who have PLAYED THIS SETUP.
49: Smear campaigning. You and him were the low posting jackasses, please explain why I go after him instead of you, or this just looks like smearing.
53: He made a read post that basically said, I am ok lynching half the game. I don't get how that is shade, and not just a hunting observation, but again. We have already established that your iso of me wasn't an attempt to figure out my alliance, but merely smear me.
94: I was getting wolf vibes from him. Vaimes isn't a top poster, but is no where near this uninacteractive. His posts and tone felt off, but there wasn't a real post I could point to.
?
96: Do you really think I would openlly admit to lynch an IC? I want to lynch them. Obviously all three could not be a wolf, so if one was the miller. I LYNCH THE OTHER TWO. Like ***** man, I know you aren't trying to hunt and just smear, but that's pathetic.
97: You get the point
98: Nah, just stupidly frustrated no one else is posting.
99: Just proves you don't actually know what power wolfing is.
101: Pretty sure one of the people AT THE TIME, was silver. So...try again?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
111: I don't ever kill vaimes if I am wolf in this scenario. I think Trump has thrown less smears than you have.
119: Because if he is the miller, I am not going to waste my time.
130: I was. And because Vaimes is not GJ, I was trying to get him to commit to reads. You know, because I don't have his role pm, so I don't actually know if he is a wolf or not.
133: Your post was bad, because your day 1 was bad. Even if I ignore the fact that you basically did ***** for post #, the posts you did make were throwing shade, being angry. Like, how do you expect town to figure out your alignment if you don't do anything, and the things you did do looked like nothing burgers, or over defensive posting.
142: I mean, the weak slot was a wolf, and was my statement not accurate?
159: I'll admit it was me being arrogant with a touch of frustration. And yes, deadlines for people to post more, rather than just sitting in our own ***** which was most of yesterday was.
170: Yes, his last post was weird to me. Am I not allowed to comment on anyone else?
171; Are you twtbw or just a bad wolf? I still go back and forth on that read with you. That's the reason I didn't hammer you. I am struggling to find out if you are posting far too badly to be a wolf, or if you are actually just that bad as a wolf. The AtE should just get you policy lynched, but eh.
175: It's almost like reads can change: GASP.
242: Silver I thought was posting slightly better, and Vaimes looked worse. Do you have a point you are trying to make about how people can be wrong?
299: If I wanted to lie, I just say I targeted Vaimes. Was suspicious of him, he flipped red.
326: I mean, it was obvious he does. Maybe against a bad wolf, he doesn't go after Tiger. But yes, I think every single person knew that.
354: Meteor loved it, tiger/terry weren't sold on it, and didn't you find it interesting that MEteor almost immediately backed off? If he really believed he had me caught, why would he back off like that?
If you have any more garbage to spew off feel free. Vote Meteor
The GJ way path to no lynching:
We didn't have a dead Godfather night 1. Innocent results meant ***** in cops 1.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
OK you passed the test.
I believe you targeted Tiger now.
Why are you voting me over Ruma? Is there something in the replies to the Ruma case that made you change your mind I am the mafia over him? I haven't read the whole reply yet - just the end, is it because I backed off or there is more? just seems out of nowhere lol.
Your tone has been bothering me. Riku I keep going back and forth on. Honestly, out of policy, I would just lynch him 9/10 times. But if he is town, I at least want to figure it out. Maybe we just kill him today and win. Maybe he flips town and it's me you, and terry. Hard to say.
I read you as ridiculously pure in cops 1, and I am not getting that vibe from you. Maybe I need to reread cops to see what I think I saw, but terry's tone has me reading that as town. Tiger's lock, that leaves you two.
Terry needs to post more because I need more town minds working, but I am meh. Wht do you make of Riku's post?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Regarding Ruma latest posts - Ruma dropping the JT push who he was almost convinced was mafia suddently after people declaring him town is very sketchy. And then this big case on GJ where he finds every posts of him scummy. This just never happens to a town player. Like, where was all of this earlier in the game?
I am sensing that "as long as it ain't me" vibe he had at the earlier posts.
Meanwhile, I like GJ latest replies. Again, I had my doubts but I believe now he really targeted Tiger. Need to think more about him voting me. I actually not sure he would as mafia?
So IF Ruma doesn't flip framer (who I really think started off the day voting me because he framed me and was hoping someone else checked me):
We will go into tomorrow with Me, GJ, Tiger, or Meteor. Most likely Tiger gets killed because he's conf town. Leaving me, GJ and Meteor. With two red checks, we'll have one confirmed town who basically makes the call tomorrow.
How does nothing burgers looks like?
AGreed on planning. It was one of those things that is only relevant when the gf dies night 1, but since that can happen 1 in 7 games, it wouldn't have hurt to be prepared.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Im used to powerwolfs.
Power wolfs don't bus. It's literally, the opposite of power wolfing.
The GJ way path to no lynching: