Claim does nothing for me. Still want to lynch the slot.
Sorry dias, but you replaced in s lot that has terrible connections to the two dead scum. You obviously can't defend the actions of your predecessor so that means you have to try to solve the game. All you've done are baseless accusations, going after the biggest cw and trying to hide behind a bodyguard claim.
I also don't trust the claim because 2 of my abilities are doc and bodyguard. It's a bit too defensive role heavy when you also factor Manasi's claim and the night skip.
So, you don't trust my claim because a JOAT can't co-exist with normal roles, seems legit...
plssss, you never tried to sort me since I replaced, you painted me as scum as soon as I entered, that's not a town play, you can distrust the claim, but the claim itself should give you enough reason to let me live till the next day, it's a body guard, if I don't die, you can lynch me, you not caring about a claim like this with the JOAT reason? sorry but I can't also see you as town,
also, you saying I'm not trying to solve the game when you didn't even trying to sort me, I call that hypocrisy
I don't have to sort you when I'm already convinced you are scum. The onus is not on me to re-evaluate, but it's on you to show us why you shouldn't be lynched.
What more do you really want from me? To tell you that you played a ******* horrible game, didn't read a thing, made up baseless accusations and assumptions and all around chaotic posts. You haven't even told us your plans if ganderin flips town. You are just stalling for time, because the world is closing from all directions.
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I don't need to interact with you to figure you out. The interactions between cantrip and RR are enough to make me convinced you are scum. The only thing you can do to change my mind is show some drive to solve the game.
You are just defending yourself by calling me scum and begging for another day.
In the off-chance that you aren't scum, my lynch order is gan, kpaca, tom, but I just don't really see a world where you are town.
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see stuff like 800 is howling to me. I don't get conviction from Dias that he actually thinks Vezok is a wolf here he's just attacking the argument structure and going "FALLACY ERGO WOLF"
there's a kind of engagement I expect from town who's being misread and feels grossly handled that I'm not really vibing there.
I don't need to interact with you to figure you out. The interactions between cantrip and RR are enough to make me convinced you are scum. The only thing you can do to change my mind is show some drive to solve the game.
You are just defending yourself by calling me scum and begging for another day.
In the off-chance that you aren't scum, my lynch order is gan, kpaca, tom, but I just don't really see a world where you are town.
vote: cantrip
i'm awake, but i have classes and stuff to do ^^
i don't believe RE will die tbh, she could be wrong about her reads and scum could try to bait her lynch by not killing her, i would do it
also, before i get nightkilled, i must say i think that there was a role here which could prob be a scum role ^^
Which role are you talking about?
Well, when i get NK you'll understand ^^ although now that i think about it, this is a role madness so, maybe not, therefore, i'll take my statement with me back home :3
Now that you've claimed your role, I'd like for you to explain the entirety of your thoughts here. You seem to be suggesting here that your role may be in a dichotomy with another role claimed - which role was that? (Sorry if I missed it.)
Also, did you claim your night actions? Who did you target night 1? Can you ask how your bodyguard role would operate in response to the action delay - say you correctly guessed both night kills, last night and tonight. What would happen?
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"Once a week by Royal Proclamation the word market is held here in the great square and people come from everywhere to buy the words they need or trade in the words they haven't used."
"Our job," said the count, "is to see that all the words sold are proper ones, for it wouldn't do to sell someone a word that had no meaning or didn't exist at all. For instance, if you bought a word like ghlbtsk, where would you use it?"
"But we never choose which ones to use," explained the earl as they walked toward the market stalls, "for as long as they mean what they mean to mean we don't care if they make sense or nonsense."
"Innocence or magnificence," added the count.
"Reticence or common sense," said the undersecretary.
"That seems simple enough"
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I get the "let Albertino self-resolve" plan, but I don't like Dan as a secondary lynch; hasn't been a strong ping on any of my interaction analysis. I will review him individually and see if there's something behavioral I missed.
I get the "let Albertino self-resolve" plan, but I don't like Dan as a secondary lynch; hasn't been a strong ping on any of my interaction analysis. I will review him individually and see if there's something behavioral I missed.
my case on him is pure set-up gaming if it was behaviour etc, i would be voting vez (or maybe you)
this might be why I'm not feeling a lot of genuinefulness in your reads? like could you throw me the most to least likely players to be wolves rn based on actual reads and forgetting setup spec?
How do you feel about the Kami/Vezok synergy thru the thread?
what makes you think he's the delayer? if I accidentally skipped some explanation please feel free to throw it @ me but it feels like there's a lot of setup stuff which is being inferred... Really abstractly?
what makes you think he's the delayer? if I accidentally skipped some explanation please feel free to throw it @ me but it feels like there's a lot of setup stuff which is being inferred... Really abstractly?
Mostly a hunch, but it ties in with the post where he said doc prevented the kill. It was public info that the actions got delayed and it seemed like he was trying to distance from the action
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Hi friends. There's a hurricane coming to my neck of the woods, so instead of making a very long post yesterday, I was cleaning up my house/yard.
I should hopefully have some time, but my intent is to PBPA some number of players. Not necessarily with intent to case, but to refresh my reads and provide a legacy, as I think my reads at this point are too mechanically based. I don't particularly get why my interactions make me a likely lynch, and feel like my activity should warrant being, at worst, in the same lynch pool as Manasi/Kpaca. I'm surprised how they're not really getting any meaningful votes placed on them.
I'll need another day or two depending on my power, but I can do some quick hits:
To fullclaim, I'm Humbug, and was Town Booster. After getting normalized, everyone saw through my pomp and circumstance, knowing that I haven't really met anyone important. I'm now Town Asceticizer.
I'm really not sure what to think about Alberto. I'm not sure I can remember someone just being so... wrong? Like, how does an Asceticizer/lightning rod result in setup gaming of... anything making sense? I don't see why those can't mutually exist with like 95%+ of existing roles.
@RE At the time, I was getting shades of Playstation & F&E where we just rushed into a lynch that felt like we were "settling" instead of something more behaviorally driven.
@Tom Can you specifically point to what you think in 419 constitutes "palpable '***** I'm too late for cred' stuff?"
@worst You should really reread my recent games to see that this is my posting M.O. from both alignments. Do you have a different reason for determining that I'm scum? You haven't really said much concerning/interacted with me in the last few pages, so I'm trying to understand where your logic behind voting me is coming from.
Albertino, explain exactly what you mean when you say you couldn't target N1.
I still don't see Dan as a reasonable secondary lynch. I reviewed his posts and there's nothing there that stands out as scummy. He hasn't done all that much but if that's the metric, we should be taking down kpaca or Manasi long before dan.
If we need a secondary lynch I say it should be the_worst. Besides the interaction-based stuff I already noted, I am increasingly disliking the progression in #809-#815,#816. Most notably the assumption that there's going to be a "tomorrow".
@RE tbh, for someone that meta reads, you failing to see i'm town this game amazes me.
I'm busy, and I don't use meta the same way most people do. Sometimes I use meta as reason not to use meta. Don't take your frustration out on me. You're being really cryptic about things. Plus, we had a day phase where we lynched scum. Yeah, you could interact to get reads, but the point is you should be able to provide reads based off that day. Like, I'd be straight up scumreading you if I didn't think Dan was scum too.
Can you behavioral scumhunt please. Don't use the fact that vez is reading you based off your predecessor, because while Root's tone was decent, he waited until he was prodded to give up his thoughts, and he tunneled one player and they were town. It's not AI to be sure of someone being scum, which is what you seem to be reading vez off of.
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This is not dan as the last scum. I've been scum with him and he plays to the end. This is just town dan who got swamped with real life.
If real life interference is a factor here, shouldn't his play be NAI? Or are you saying as scum, he'd play to the end despite his circumstances?
Also, can you confirm what your normalizer would do with regards to flavor stuff. Because your example from earlier seems to contradict with Dan publicly announcing his targets in a flavorful manner, and while I may know nothing about the flavor in this game, his ability does not sound like a "boost."
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if it sounded like i was frustrated at you, i'm not, but with so many back and forth about meta in past games, i was just wondering where that meta was now...
I didn't meta read you in Smile. I actually read you as town at first there because you seemed to be trying draw attention to yourself, which I sooner associated with town than scum. Also. Like I said. I use meta... Weirdly.
I read vez scum because he did not try to sort me, he did not try to interact with me, he's overall posts lack scum hunting.
you can't just say not to use that fact, when that's a scum tell!!
So the first two things you listed aren't valid. He asked you to claim. He explains his reasons for scumreading you here:
Sorry dias, but you replaced in s lot that has terrible connections to the two dead scum. You obviously can't defend the actions of your predecessor so that means you have to try to solve the game. All you've done are baseless accusations, going after the biggest cw and trying to hide behind a bodyguard claim.
I also don't trust the claim because 2 of my abilities are doc and bodyguard. It's a bit too defensive role heavy when you also factor Manasi's claim and the night skip.
Now, I don't really care for his second bit of reasoning because if he has 12 abilities, there bound to be some overlap, and it's actually a bit annoying that he keeps bringing his role up when discussing mechanics since none of us knows what else he has (for all we know, there could overlaps with other roles not yet claimed). Plus he was incorrect on Mikey, so his role seems to be more of a wild card than anything.
The third thing you listed, I don't agree. It's not to say scum can't "scum hunt," but vez definitely prodded people, asked questions, voted his suspects, etc. I don't see what you are seeing. If he's scum, there is reason beyond his tunnel of you that makes him scum, and it'd be helpful if you provided specific examples.
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RE, please tell me why you are reading Dan scum, since I'm not seeing it.
Oops, I missed this.
It's not really that I'm scumreading him, it's moreso my only reason for seeing him as town was his early claim, and since then, it's been fairly difficult to see his posts coming from town. Like, I asked why the Kill lynch felt bad, because he had a "FoS" on Kill earlier, and I didn't really see why the lynch would feel bad other than the average paranoia? So it sort of read as a faked ignorance of what Kill would flip. His answer doesn't really help either. Kill wasn't a lynch we settled for. He was suspected by a good many, and reasonably so (lurking, lied about what happened in the thread, non-responsive, etc.) Then his recent post - his comment on Kpaca/Manasi feels faked, as does his comment on Dias. He observed their behavior and came to no conclusion about it. Call it a gut read, or something. But it feels out of place. His reasoning for townreading Dias also feels off.
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I don't have to sort you when I'm already convinced you are scum. The onus is not on me to re-evaluate, but it's on you to show us why you shouldn't be lynched.
What more do you really want from me? To tell you that you played a ******* horrible game, didn't read a thing, made up baseless accusations and assumptions and all around chaotic posts. You haven't even told us your plans if ganderin flips town. You are just stalling for time, because the world is closing from all directions.
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You are just defending yourself by calling me scum and begging for another day.
In the off-chance that you aren't scum, my lynch order is gan, kpaca, tom, but I just don't really see a world where you are town.
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BE SMART YO
there's a kind of engagement I expect from town who's being misread and feels grossly handled that I'm not really vibing there.
Oh yes quoted for very much truth
Also, did you claim your night actions? Who did you target night 1? Can you ask how your bodyguard role would operate in response to the action delay - say you correctly guessed both night kills, last night and tonight. What would happen?
ALBERTS CLAIM BUYS HIM A DAY AND THERE'S ZERO CHANCE WE LOSE TONIGHT.
IF HE'S ALIVE TOMORROW I WILL NOT BE DEFENDING HIM.
Alrighttttttt deal I'm convinced enough Dan is a wolf anyway
if they're town I hope they claim it today/tomorrow and like ideally with some fkn dynamite crumbing
I'm not a JOAT. I have a single ability that can have 12 different effects. Until now only one of the effects has been confirmed.
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AlbertinoDias (2) - vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon
kpaca (1) - ganderin_dan
Not voting: kpaca, Manasi, RE1031
Day 3 Lynch Deadline will be Saturday, October 13th, at 2359 MST. There will be a Twilight period (No voting) of ??? hours to account for the host having a life outside of Mafia.
With 9 players, it takes 5 to lynch.
Your story keeps getting more ridiculous. Who did you target N1?
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I only have the individual delay that I haven't used yet.
I've been pretty towny and I didn't feel like potentially ******* something up by delaying a PR that could have been important.
Let's not play this game right now.
I'm not that much of a moron to claim a similar INDIVIDUAL action as a publicized action that is PROBABLY WOLF ALIGNED as a wolf.
That's stupid.
You know better that I know better.
ALBERT MIGHT BE SCUM BUT HE'S THE WRONG LYNCH TODAY.
WOULD HAPPILY LYNCH DAN, MANASI, KPACA. MAYBE WORST.
GIT GUD
this might be why I'm not feeling a lot of genuinefulness in your reads? like could you throw me the most to least likely players to be wolves rn based on actual reads and forgetting setup spec?
How do you feel about the Kami/Vezok synergy thru the thread?
glgl kids
I mean I'm fine w this
check my vote fam
just need a better sense for gamestate than I have rn so I need to engage w people
GOOD WORK!!!!!!
how was my yellin
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if Dan flips red lynch this next
I'm seriously starting to doubt your mafia skills. He used every trick in the book to delay his lynch and sometimes he convinced you.
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Mostly a hunch, but it ties in with the post where he said doc prevented the kill. It was public info that the actions got delayed and it seemed like he was trying to distance from the action
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Also I care more about memorable experiences than winning. A clean sweep is more memorable than a win.
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I KNOW THE RIGHT PLAY BUT ALBERT IS NOT MAKING IT EASY TO TRUST HIM...
I should hopefully have some time, but my intent is to PBPA some number of players. Not necessarily with intent to case, but to refresh my reads and provide a legacy, as I think my reads at this point are too mechanically based. I don't particularly get why my interactions make me a likely lynch, and feel like my activity should warrant being, at worst, in the same lynch pool as Manasi/Kpaca. I'm surprised how they're not really getting any meaningful votes placed on them.
I'll need another day or two depending on my power, but I can do some quick hits:
To fullclaim, I'm Humbug, and was Town Booster. After getting normalized, everyone saw through my pomp and circumstance, knowing that I haven't really met anyone important. I'm now Town Asceticizer.
I'm really not sure what to think about Alberto. I'm not sure I can remember someone just being so... wrong? Like, how does an Asceticizer/lightning rod result in setup gaming of... anything making sense? I don't see why those can't mutually exist with like 95%+ of existing roles.
@RE At the time, I was getting shades of Playstation & F&E where we just rushed into a lynch that felt like we were "settling" instead of something more behaviorally driven.
@Manasi Why haven't you used your ability yet?
I once met vezokpiraka
@worst You should really reread my recent games to see that this is my posting M.O. from both alignments. Do you have a different reason for determining that I'm scum? You haven't really said much concerning/interacted with me in the last few pages, so I'm trying to understand where your logic behind voting me is coming from.
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I still don't see Dan as a reasonable secondary lynch. I reviewed his posts and there's nothing there that stands out as scummy. He hasn't done all that much but if that's the metric, we should be taking down kpaca or Manasi long before dan.
If we need a secondary lynch I say it should be the_worst. Besides the interaction-based stuff I already noted, I am increasingly disliking the progression in #809-#815,#816. Most notably the assumption that there's going to be a "tomorrow".
Can you behavioral scumhunt please. Don't use the fact that vez is reading you based off your predecessor, because while Root's tone was decent, he waited until he was prodded to give up his thoughts, and he tunneled one player and they were town. It's not AI to be sure of someone being scum, which is what you seem to be reading vez off of.
Also, can you confirm what your normalizer would do with regards to flavor stuff. Because your example from earlier seems to contradict with Dan publicly announcing his targets in a flavorful manner, and while I may know nothing about the flavor in this game, his ability does not sound like a "boost."
RE, please tell me why you are reading Dan scum, since I'm not seeing it.
The third thing you listed, I don't agree. It's not to say scum can't "scum hunt," but vez definitely prodded people, asked questions, voted his suspects, etc. I don't see what you are seeing. If he's scum, there is reason beyond his tunnel of you that makes him scum, and it'd be helpful if you provided specific examples.
It's not really that I'm scumreading him, it's moreso my only reason for seeing him as town was his early claim, and since then, it's been fairly difficult to see his posts coming from town. Like, I asked why the Kill lynch felt bad, because he had a "FoS" on Kill earlier, and I didn't really see why the lynch would feel bad other than the average paranoia? So it sort of read as a faked ignorance of what Kill would flip. His answer doesn't really help either. Kill wasn't a lynch we settled for. He was suspected by a good many, and reasonably so (lurking, lied about what happened in the thread, non-responsive, etc.) Then his recent post - his comment on Kpaca/Manasi feels faked, as does his comment on Dias. He observed their behavior and came to no conclusion about it. Call it a gut read, or something. But it feels out of place. His reasoning for townreading Dias also feels off.
> changes vote 3 posts later
> mfw