I'm not buying a framer when we've already seen a scum Hider. With only 3 scum, two of them having fake-info abilities is highly implausible. And there's no way RE is scum here; if Cantrip somehow flips town, that would confirm RE as lying, and they would be the obvious and immediate next lynch; scum doesn't want to 1:1 here.
vote Cantrip
Even with a hider, the results should still not be false. Like say I targeted Kill (if he were still alive) and he hid behind Cantrip. I don't think the results would tell me who Cantrip visited without telling me it was Cantrip and not Kill. I feel like that would be bastardly. I even doublechecked with Osie that my results were accurate.
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I just kind of assumed the NK wasn't? But that should mean I get two people Ascetic-ized for N3.
But Albertino had to go and not read the thread, so that's dandy. Not like my ability does that much when it's public knowledge, but still.
i did, i forgot, i apologise, but do not understand what you mean by "But Albertino had to go and not read the thread, so that's dandy.". what i don't understand is what me "nt reading the thread" has anything to do with "Not like my ability does that much when it's public knowledge, but still."
Well if you would have read the thread from the beginning you would've known dan has an ability that needs to be used during the day before the lynch is done. Now if you would have read the post 3 posts above your post you would've known that dan has an ability.
Again if you would've read the thread at all you should have known Cantrip was at L-1.
I don't really have a problem who don't read the thread. I've done it a few times when I replaced, but I hate people who claim to read the thread when they so obviously didn't/
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@Vezok: I posted reads in 618, and me getting framed doesn't really change any of that.
Albertino needs heavy scrutiny for his lolhammer.
Pretty sure RE is still just town who got bad info.
Congrats to whichever scum put me in this position.
Good luck.
Well, damn, I'm sorry.
I don't know how it could have happened. I really need to touch up with what is defined as a bastard mechanics. Because if you are town, then my role PM was a straight up lie.
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Well, damn, I'm sorry.
I don't know how it could have happened. I really need to touch up with what is defined as a bastard mechanics. Because if you are town, then my role PM was a straight up lie.
...there've been a few things this game that have felt off that I am going to ask Osie about post-game. Just...be cautious about results, I guess?
I just kind of assumed the NK wasn't? But that should mean I get two people Ascetic-ized for N3.
But Albertino had to go and not read the thread, so that's dandy. Not like my ability does that much when it's public knowledge, but still.
i did, i forgot, i apologise, but do not understand what you mean by "But Albertino had to go and not read the thread, so that's dandy.". what i don't understand is what me "nt reading the thread" has anything to do with "Not like my ability does that much when it's public knowledge, but still."
Well if you would have read the thread from the beginning you would've known dan has an ability that needs to be used during the day before the lynch is done. Now if you would have read the post 3 posts above your post you would've known that dan has an ability.
Again if you would've read the thread at all you should have known Cantrip was at L-1.
I don't really have a problem who don't read the thread. I've done it a few times when I replaced, but I hate people who claim to read the thread when they so obviously didn't/
i did read the thread, all of it, don't know what you're talking about, i just forgot what his role was/what it did, therefore i asked what was that, and although FOR YOU it must be hard to believe but i refreshed and nothing appeared, then i voted... i then saw those posts
you say you hate when ppl say they read when they didn't, prove i haven't read, would like you to try, because you can't, all you have is that i got confused by the name, which in itself, doesn't properly shows i haven't read it, it just gives that possibility, so i would liek to know why you say obvs (also, before anyone answwered, i quoted my own post saying nevermind, why didn't you talk/notice that?? selective information perhaps?? i think so)
Ok then, answer the next two questions quickly: What did mikey claim his role was and what did killman claim his role was?
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@Albertino: I have to agree with Vez: many of your posts certainly *sound* like you're not taking the time to read the thread. Given that informed Town usually make better choices than uninformed town, lolposting like you're doing feels like you don't really care about the outcome and you're just posting whatever. In my experience, that attitude usually comes from scum or one of Tom/kpaca/Seppel/DV.
So, you don't know me, but assume i'm not one of that type, ok, understandable...
That type, uh, tends to be rarer, in my experience.
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i did, i couldn't do it properly, tom posts hurt my eyes and i needed to force myself to read them, and believe me, i did, because i wanted to have more info, the way the site is structured, idk why, but it tires my eyes as well, i did my best and really read everything, i already said why that vote happened, it's your call to believe or not.
*shrug* Wouldn't be the first time I saw scum lolhammer because they "didn't refresh the thread before voting". But you're not my problem anymore; you'll have to convince those who aren't the walking dead.
@Albertino: I have to agree with Vez: many of your posts certainly *sound* like you're not taking the time to read the thread. Given that informed Town usually make better choices than uninformed town, lolposting like you're doing feels like you don't really care about the outcome and you're just posting whatever. In my experience, that attitude usually comes from scum or one of Tom/kpaca/Seppel/DV.
ho, but ince you're "town" and want to do your best, you'll also say wich posts they are won't you?? :3
Well, just as one example, your #679 where you call Mikey's "normalizer" role a "neutralizer" (completely different, based on what they described) and don't remember that Killma was a hider sounds like even if you're reading, you don't care about what you're reading. That's pretty basic essential info that I store (or make note of) to help me figure out likelihoods of roles, truthfulness of later claims, etc.
So, you read the thread, knew I had to use my ability during the day, saw me publicly discuss and use it Day 1, saw me not having publicly used it yet Day 2, saw me discuss the ability further, and voted anyways?
Ok.
If you're genuinely sorry for the mistake, just acknowledge it was a mistake and we can move forward. If you keep denying it, people are going to continue (rightfully) giving you crap for it.
If you think Cantrip is scum, isn't putting him to L-1 without my having used my ability just as bad as L-0?
Cantripmancer has been lynched. I'm going to hold off on his flip for a Twilight period ending in about 7-8 hours so that I can handle it from my computer.
I AM SO SORRY
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first order of business
how the **** did Cantrip get lynched
I don't think he was a wolf OR read aligned with Killma :/
Because I tracked him last night and was told he visited GJ. He claimed he didn't.
So now I don't know what to do. Apparently we are dealing with a role that can mess up results even though this is not a bastard game.
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there's a style of mod pm which is rsally common on MafiaScum in the event of redirector ambiguity or bus driver ambiguity which is "your target xxxxxx"
just be careful your pm expressly said that cantrip did the action otherwise tis not a mod lie
also don't quote communications from Osie just #staywoke
Okay gotcha. I haven't totally read so wasn't 100% sure.
this sounds like a wolf then. I'm pretty impressed he managed to change my mind because I'm usually pretty loathe to give up my early tunnel reads. >:C
Oh it can still be a redirector w/o a mod lie but that's not super common
Did cantrip fullclaim? also was that a lolhammer?
Yes, he full claimed. So now he is either the town jailer whose ability is activated during the day (and he talk to others in a private chat, but only receive yes/no as a response), or he is scum trolling.
Which has happened before but I don't know if it's actually common behavior. I think it's very mean, tbh >:I
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has Tom confirmed this?
sounds like... not right imo
Tom said he had a chat with cantrip where cantrip could ask like 20 questions but he could only respond with yes/no so he posted ITT about the questions, so his posts through night that were @comrade or whatever were to Cantrip.
Oh it can still be a redirector w/o a mod lie but that's not super common
Did cantrip fullclaim? also was that a lolhammer?
Yes, he full claimed. So now he is either the town jailer whose ability is activated during the day (and he talk to others in a private chat, but only receive yes/no as a response), or he is scum trolling.
Which has happened before but I don't know if it's actually common behavior. I think it's very mean, tbh >:I
WELL THERE'S A TWILIGHT, SO THERE COULD BE TWILIGHT ROLES, SO ANY DECENT SCUM WOULD KEEP UP THE FACADE HERE JUST IN CASE.
CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE HAPPENED FOR CANTRIP TO BE TOWN (UNLESS YOU'RE SCUM I GUESS) SO WE SHOULD BE GOOD HERE.
HOPEFULLY ACTIONS BEING DELAYED MEANS NO NK EITHER, THOUGH THAT WOULD PROBABLY MEAN 2 KILLS N3 SO BARELY MATTERS I GUESS
"I must have some information before I can take your senses. Now, if you'll just tell me when you were born, where you were born, why you were born, how old you are now, how old you were then, how old you'll be in a little while, your mother's name, your father's name, your aunt's name, your uncle's name, your cousin's name, where you live, how long you've lived there, the schools you've attended, the schools you haven't attended, your hobbies, your telephone number, your shoe size, shirt size, collar size, hat size, and the names and addresses of six people who can verify all this information, we'll get started. One at a time, please; stand in line; and no pushing, no talking, no peeking." the man with the book said.
When they'd finished, they began to go on their way. But the man had more to say.
"DESTINATION?" he shouted.
"The Castle in the Air," said Milo impatiently.
"Why bother?" said the man, pointing into the distance. "I'm sure you'd rather see what I have to show you."
"And wouldn't you enjoy a more pleasant aroma?" he said, turning to Tock.
"And here's something I know you'll enjoy hearing," he assured the Humbug.
Milo, who stood staring blankly into the distance, let his bag of gifts slip from his shoulder to the ground. And, as he did, the package of sounds broke open, filling the air with peals of happy laughter which seemed so gay that first he, then Tock, and finally the Humbug joined in. And suddenly the spell was broken.
"There is no circus," cried Milo.
"There were no smells," barked Tock.
"The applause is gone," complained the disappointed Humbug.
"I warned you I was the Senses Taker," sneered the Senses Taker.
"I'll steal your sense of purpose, take your sense of duty, destroy your sense of proportion—and, but for one thing, you'd be helpless yet."
"As long as you have the sound of laughter," he groaned unhappily, "I cannot take your sense of humour—and, with it, you've nothing to fear from me."
They ran for the stairs, bowling over the disconsolate Senses Taker, ledger, ink bottle, eyeshade, and all, as they went. They didn't stop to look back, but if they had, they'd have witnessed the man's body topple off the mountainside, never to be seen again.
Cantripmancer has been lynched. They were the Senses Taker, SCUM Torturer.
Welcome to the game. You are the Senses Taker. You are a SCUM Torturer.
"I help people find what they're not looking for, hear what they're not listening for, run after what they're not chasing, and smell what isn't even there."
Your abilities are:
Taking the Senses: At End of Day, as a Day action, you can ask a player (PM the mod) that you have asked a question of in the thread this Day phase if they are willing to play 20 questions. If they agree, you and that player get a 20 questions chat toNight. You may ask that player 20 yes or no questions. They do not have to answer truthfully. Either way, that player is outside of the Realm of Wisdom… They cannot use Night actions or be targeted by town Night actions toNight.
You share a factional chat REDACTED with your fellow scum, REDACTED.
You also share a factional nightkill. Each night one of the scum may kill a player. If only one scum is alive, the nightkill may be done as an extra action.
You win when the number of town players is less than or equal to the number of scum players. Confirm that you have read this message by replying here.
It is now Night 2. Do not talk in the thread unless your role PM says otherwise. Night actions are due by 24 hours from now. There will be a 0-16 hour dawn period to account for the mod having a life.
I'VE BEEN INFORMED NO ONE GETS TO JOIN ME HERE TONIGHT, BUT SHOULD BE 3 OF US HERE THE NEXT NIGHT IF I/MY DELAYED TARGET DONT DIE (AND WE DON'T JUST WIN TOMORROW).
SO... THINKING ABOUT THE CANTRIP/WORST TEAM RE WAS TALKING ABOUT. IT MAKES SENSE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WAY THE WORST TRIED TO GRILL ME FOR VOTING KILLMA.
BUT, LIKE, THE PREMISE ON THAT TEAM IS A PLANNED HARD BUS AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S MORE LIKELY THAN JUST, LIKE, CANTRIP REALIZED KILLMA WAS WORTH BUSSING AND JUST PULLED THE TRIGGER SOLO.
COULD STILL BE DAN WITH THE "OH ***** I BETTER BUS" VOTE, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH OF THAT IS JUST MY GUT TELLING ME IT'S DAN.
REST OF THE WAGON LOOKS PRETTY CLEAN. ME/GJ OBVIOUSLY, BUT THAT DOESN'T HELP. RE IS GOOD BASED ON CANTRIP AS WELL AS KILLMA SPEW. VEZOK DOESN'T FIT EITHER.
SO IT'S DAN>WORST ON THE KILLMA WAGON OR... BASICALLY ANYONE FROM OFF IT.
DIDN'T LIKE THE KPACA SLOT AT ALL YESTERDAY. NOR ALBERTINO.
KAMI SEEMED LIKE KAMI AND MANASI IS FINE I GUESS. GJ WANTED TO PRESSURE HER IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD LAST NIGHT BUT SHE'S BEEN FAIRLY ASTUTE WHEN PRESENT.
YEAH THAT PILE IS A MESS
THAT SEEMS VAGUELY DEFENSIBLE HABE YOU CHECKED IF THIS IS JUST HOW HE IS? LIKE, I THINK HIS PLAY HAS BEEN SCUMMY IN A VACUUM BUT IT SEEMS VAGUELY INTENTIONAL.
IDK I'M PROLLY NOT DOING A META DIVE BUT I KINDA LIKED ROOT AND
THAT SEEMS VAGUELY DEFENSIBLE HABE YOU CHECKED IF THIS IS JUST HOW HE IS? LIKE, I THINK HIS PLAY HAS BEEN SCUMMY IN A VACUUM BUT IT SEEMS VAGUELY INTENTIONAL.
IDK I'M PROLLY NOT DOING A META DIVE BUT I KINDA LIKED ROOT AND
My problems with that slot don't really come from dias, but from intarctions with Cantrip and Killman.
I will show you the quotes that made me feel this way when I get home.
ReverseRoot has absolutely terrible interactions with both starting with an unexplained town read on Killman.
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@Osie Votecount, pls?
Well if you would have read the thread from the beginning you would've known dan has an ability that needs to be used during the day before the lynch is done. Now if you would have read the post 3 posts above your post you would've known that dan has an ability.
Again if you would've read the thread at all you should have known Cantrip was at L-1.
I don't really have a problem who don't read the thread. I've done it a few times when I replaced, but I hate people who claim to read the thread when they so obviously didn't/
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Albertino needs heavy scrutiny for his lolhammer.
Pretty sure RE is still just town who got bad info.
Congrats to whichever scum put me in this position.
Good luck.
I don't know how it could have happened. I really need to touch up with what is defined as a bastard mechanics. Because if you are town, then my role PM was a straight up lie.
Ok then, answer the next two questions quickly: What did mikey claim his role was and what did killman claim his role was?
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*shrug* Wouldn't be the first time I saw scum lolhammer because they "didn't refresh the thread before voting". But you're not my problem anymore; you'll have to convince those who aren't the walking dead.
Well, just as one example, your #679 where you call Mikey's "normalizer" role a "neutralizer" (completely different, based on what they described) and don't remember that Killma was a hider sounds like even if you're reading, you don't care about what you're reading. That's pretty basic essential info that I store (or make note of) to help me figure out likelihoods of roles, truthfulness of later claims, etc.
Ok.
If you're genuinely sorry for the mistake, just acknowledge it was a mistake and we can move forward. If you keep denying it, people are going to continue (rightfully) giving you crap for it.
If you think Cantrip is scum, isn't putting him to L-1 without my having used my ability just as bad as L-0?
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how the **** did Cantrip get lynched
I don't think he was a wolf OR read aligned with Killma :/
I'M ASSUMING I CAN NIGHT TALK BUT IDK IF I CAN BRING SOMEONE WITH ME. WE'LL SEE
So now I don't know what to do. Apparently we are dealing with a role that can mess up results even though this is not a bastard game.
I once met vezokpiraka
@RE that does explain your comment at the start of the day. I thought you were fishing from me but we gud.
Which makes it a lie.
just be careful your pm expressly said that cantrip did the action otherwise tis not a mod lie
also don't quote communications from Osie just #staywoke
this sounds like a wolf then. I'm pretty impressed he managed to change my mind because I'm usually pretty loathe to give up my early tunnel reads. >:C
Did cantrip fullclaim? also was that a lolhammer?
Which has happened before but I don't know if it's actually common behavior. I think it's very mean, tbh >:I
sounds like... not right imo
*covers face*
logically yes but I feel kinda queasy. I think it's because I'm not used to being wrong about changing my mind on early scumreads.
It happened to me once months ago tho and ended in a perfect scum win so I think this is probably a decent flip even if he does end up town
His early posts were hella pings and odds are I would have revisited that if I lived to like, d3-4
but all in all yeah I think this is hopefully a wolf.
wbu?
CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE HAPPENED FOR CANTRIP TO BE TOWN (UNLESS YOU'RE SCUM I GUESS) SO WE SHOULD BE GOOD HERE.
HOPEFULLY ACTIONS BEING DELAYED MEANS NO NK EITHER, THOUGH THAT WOULD PROBABLY MEAN 2 KILLS N3 SO BARELY MATTERS I GUESS
Cantripmancer has been lynched. They were the Senses Taker, SCUM Torturer.
"I help people find what they're not looking for, hear what they're not listening for, run after what they're not chasing, and smell what isn't even there."
Your abilities are:
You share a factional chat REDACTED with your fellow scum, REDACTED.
You also share a factional nightkill. Each night one of the scum may kill a player. If only one scum is alive, the nightkill may be done as an extra action.
You win when the number of town players is less than or equal to the number of scum players. Confirm that you have read this message by replying here.
It is now Night 2. Do not talk in the thread unless your role PM says otherwise. Night actions are due by 24 hours from now. There will be a 0-16 hour dawn period to account for the mod having a life.
I'VE BEEN INFORMED NO ONE GETS TO JOIN ME HERE TONIGHT, BUT SHOULD BE 3 OF US HERE THE NEXT NIGHT IF I/MY DELAYED TARGET DONT DIE (AND WE DON'T JUST WIN TOMORROW).
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT, [PROBABLY KAMI REGARDLESS OF ALIGNMEMT]
*PRETTY INSUFFERABLE*
ALSO FUN FACT MY PHONE HAS BEEN AUTOCORRECTING TO ALL CAPS WHEN TEXTING. SO I'VE GOT THAT GOING FOR ME.
I THINK I'M GONNA, LIKE, NOT DO MUCH TONIGHT JUST *****POST A BIT.
CURRENTLY WANT TO LYNCH IN DAN/WORST/MANASI/KPACA I THINK
BUT, LIKE, THE PREMISE ON THAT TEAM IS A PLANNED HARD BUS AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S MORE LIKELY THAN JUST, LIKE, CANTRIP REALIZED KILLMA WAS WORTH BUSSING AND JUST PULLED THE TRIGGER SOLO.
COULD STILL BE DAN WITH THE "OH ***** I BETTER BUS" VOTE, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH OF THAT IS JUST MY GUT TELLING ME IT'S DAN.
REST OF THE WAGON LOOKS PRETTY CLEAN. ME/GJ OBVIOUSLY, BUT THAT DOESN'T HELP. RE IS GOOD BASED ON CANTRIP AS WELL AS KILLMA SPEW. VEZOK DOESN'T FIT EITHER.
SO IT'S DAN>WORST ON THE KILLMA WAGON OR... BASICALLY ANYONE FROM OFF IT.
DIDN'T LIKE THE KPACA SLOT AT ALL YESTERDAY. NOR ALBERTINO.
KAMI SEEMED LIKE KAMI AND MANASI IS FINE I GUESS. GJ WANTED TO PRESSURE HER IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD LAST NIGHT BUT SHE'S BEEN FAIRLY ASTUTE WHEN PRESENT.
YEAH THAT PILE IS A MESS
The Bass quiets down. Everyone feels more alert and ready to go about their day.
Nobody has died.
Day 3 Lynch Deadline will be Saturday, October 13th, at 2359 MST. There will be a Twilight period (No voting) of ??? hours to account for the host having a life outside of Mafia.
With 9 players, it takes 5 to lynch.
UPON FURTHER REFLECTION MY CURRENT POE IS:
DAN>KPACA>ALBERTINO>WORST>MANASI>KAMI
BUT THAT'S, LIKE, TOO BIG A LIST AND ***** SO I SHOULD PROBABLY WORK ON THAT
AND YET, HERE I SIT. DOING **** ALL EXCEPT VAGUELY PONDERING
think I might park here for a little bit.
my bad.
IDK I'M PROLLY NOT DOING A META DIVE BUT I KINDA LIKED ROOT AND
My problems with that slot don't really come from dias, but from intarctions with Cantrip and Killman.
I will show you the quotes that made me feel this way when I get home.
ReverseRoot has absolutely terrible interactions with both starting with an unexplained town read on Killman.
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