compared to most, Tubba's read list feels the most fake, and her scum read on me, is ******* trash... and with no explanations it just looks like hes sheeping a lot of that...
Kinda like my question to you about your play regarding D_V...
Y'know the one you just ignored and proceeded to smear me?
I'm scum reading you because a majority of your posts look pockety and like you're buddying. You're not offering anything to help solve the game, and your recent posts in response to people scum reading you looks pretty bad as well.
@GJ
It's a day one readslist, I'm sorry it doesn't match up to the caliber you were looking for. What specifically do you take issue with?
What question?
show me these pockety posts, and who the **** am I buddying? AND UR ONE TO TALK ABOUT NOT OFFERING ANYTHING... HOLY **** MAN
am I buddying DV because I refuse to read him today? GJ? because I liked some of his posts, even tho i still have him as a low hanging fruit scum? Seriously who the **** am I buddying, seriously pull out a real god damn read, ur reads list above is trash
I apologize, I don't know how to link these, but it's a good place to start.
This reeeeally looks like a case of “I’m scum but your reasons suck.”
Someone with a townread on LW: walk me through what’s happening on this page.
Well I cant use meta, as a defense for myself, since most of you dont know me, so you can believe that if it makes you happy
tubba's vote is the most oppurtunistic out of this, and she is probably scum here
I dont mind scum reads, for reasons I already explained, but when it starts becoming obnoxious to the point where ur creating reasons for people to sheep, aka Tubba, then its slightly irritable
either way I need to go to work, so adios
I just wanted to know why so many of your posts were about D_V. Just answer that and I can move on. How am I fabricating those posts where you are clearly pocketing/buddying D_V?
@DV, GJ, Vaimes: I must be like the wind blowing to you guys. It's not like my questions are overly in-depth or difficult to find.
I guess DV kind of answered part of it re: GF's list, but still. C'mon.
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@LW I didn't mean to imply that you were townreading Wuffles. You just have a much higher ranking of him than I do, and I was hoping to learn why. Is he behaving similarly as to his last scum game?
Also, I'm singling you out for being a higher volume poster that is not advancing the game. Obviously, the lurkers have that issue as well, and if it comes down to it, I'll policy lynch one toDay. But there's an absence of evidence working in their favor, currently.
I don't know if I'm going to be wasting my time doing Standard Devs I'll get some stuff up in a bit here.
But Tubba's list ignores reason on multiple fronts and ignores his own town reads reads.
Unvote Vote: Tubba Fett
Explain this please. As for the second point, I can town read someone and disagree with their opinion.
Am I the only one who feels like a day one readslist is kind of pointless? I feel like it benefits scum more than town, day one is a crapshoot regardless and it lets scum know who is on the radar. I'm probably just bad, but I'm not seeing enough information to make strong reads on anyone, so it just seems like gut feelings to me?
Okay I'm really liking Wisp for town after his last few posts. Go read the first two or so pages of token mafia. He's acting exactly the same way he did when Tom and Vezok came after him with that speedlynch D1.
Also, cut wisp a bit of a break yeah? He's posted a pretty decent reads list of every player so far. I don't think anyone else in the game has taken the time to ISO every other player so far this game, except maybe D_V. These two are doing work and I really appreciate it as I get kinda lost trying to find slips or motivation day 1, especially when I'm not just trying to turn what is merely bad play into alleged scumtells like I did in token.
I don't know if I'm going to be wasting my time doing Standard Devs I'll get some stuff up in a bit here.
But Tubba's list ignores reason on multiple fronts and ignores his own town reads reads.
Unvote Vote: Tubba Fett
Explain this please. As for the second point, I can town read someone and disagree with their opinion.
Am I the only one who feels like a day one readslist is kind of pointless? I feel like it benefits scum more than town, day one is a crapshoot regardless and it lets scum know who is on the radar. I'm probably just bad, but I'm not seeing enough information to make strong reads on anyone, so it just seems like gut feelings to me?
No you got caught.
You got caught. Don't say pointless because you got caught.
LOL.
CAUGHT.
You made a list then, I called you out on how bad it is. Then you say "Its pointless"
Okay I'm really liking Wisp for town after his last few posts. Go read the first two or so pages of token mafia. He's acting exactly the same way he did when Tom and Vezok came after him with that speedlynch D1.
Also, cut wisp a bit of a break yeah? He's posted a pretty decent reads list of every player so far. I don't think anyone else in the game has taken the time to ISO every other player so far this game, except maybe D_V. These two are doing work and I really appreciate it as I get kinda lost trying to find slips or motivation day 1, especially when I'm not just trying to turn what is merely bad play into alleged scumtells like I did in token.
Alright I'm done with my Dota game so I can focus on this now.
I don't think the players that didn't post their lists are going to change much.
Here is the master list.
Vaimes
DV
Osie
Grape
Gan
Rod
Vez
GJ
Anak
Tubba
LW
KA
Tom
Kpaca
Wuffles
Fuwwa
There is a surprising amount of agreement between players. If I remove the outliers of Grape and Tubba on me I am by far the most read town player in the game. I think Rodemy and KA would attempt to put me to the bottom as well, but I'm going to ignore that for the time being, since I would still be a large margin be in the top three of town read players in the game.
Vaimes is always sitting at the number 2 spot if the outliers are removed and always sitting at the number one spot otherwise.
Osie is hands down the third most town read in the game. Osie only had one player rank them as 8(Gan) and one at 7(Vez).
After that Grape, Gan and Rod are all very close ranked next to each other. I think it should be noted that Rodemy was read as the number 4 town in the game, but due to some outliers putting him toward the bottom he became muddled with Gand and Grape. I think my own read is bad on Rodemy, but partially don't really care. The other players that ranked Rodemy low were Wuffles, LW and Tubba. Honestly that isn't a good look for my own read and I attempted to mitigate that by moving Rodemy to 10th in my read list, but he still remained here.
Gan and Grape were decently well read. Grape had one player rank them 13th(Osie) and Ganderin had one person rank him 13(DV) and one person rank him 3rd(Grape).
Vez scored lower by about 3 points than the other three, but still scored higher than GJ by a large margin. Vez is probabally one of the more controversial players that was ranked. We gave some cluster of people putting in from 5-9th(Vaimes, Ganderin, GJ, and Osie) we have others rating him at 2 and 3 Wuffles and Tubba respectively and then we have 3 players ranking him at 12th,(Myself, Grape and LW).
GJ is on his own special island. He didn't score as high as those above him, but he didn't score as low as those below him. There is an almost 20 point difference between him and either side. Almost as high as the difference between the holy trinity and Grape. GJ was ranked either close to 6th or 13 by players.
Anak and Tubba are the next group. Anak is similar to GJ he is either ranked about 5-6th or 11th. Tubba has almost no disagreement on him with almost all players placing him at 10-12 with only vaimes being an outlier at 7th.
LW, Tom and KA all scored almost identically to each other with only a few points of difference. LW is decently controversial with him either being close to dead last or 7th. Wuffles, Grape and Myself all have him at 7th and Osie has him at 10th Vezo has him at 11th and everyone else has him at around 15-15th.
KA is largely being placed somewhere form 12-14th with (GJ, Grape and Myself have him higher).
Tom is overall placed from 14-15th with Grape having him at 4th and tubba having him at 7th. Vezok and Last also have him higher in their lists at 9th and 8th place respectively.
Kpaca and wuffles are sitting very close to each other. Last is an outlier by having wuffles at 7th and Tubba has kpaca at 6th.
Fuwa is at the bottom of the pack by a large margin with only Vezok having her at 10th.
I should not that I used everyones list and placed those who participated at the top of their own lists respectively. This means that a few positions that were close such as KA and Tom might have been higher had they participated in making lists(And by higher I mean higher than LW). There isn't a way for them to jump whole categories unless they placed Anak and Tubba at the bottom of their lists and then it would only make them all close to each other, not make them jump above.
Tom's list
tubba/dv
osi/kpaca/rodemy/fuwa
last/grape/vaimes
other people that I had to scroll up to dvs wall to see names
dan/anak
Alright looking at Tom's list since it wasn't factored in due to it missing a chunk of players.
Tubba is a clear outlier ranking, the fact that both he and Tubba are town reading each other is something that gives me pause.(But not too much since its pretty clear they are both scum).
Kpaca is a strange read and FUWA is abysmal.
Last and Vaimes are both odd. Since nobody else in this game ranked vaimes below 4th in their lists.
Dan and Anak are also really bad, because once again nobody ranked them this low.
This seems to be almost exactly Scum Tom's MO. Throw ***** at wall and hope something sticks. Otherwise lurk your ass off and don't participate.
Couple that with the strange Tubba/Tom town reading each other and I feel like we have two scum caught here.
Tom's list
tubba/dv
osi/kpaca/rodemy/fuwa
last/grape/vaimes
other people that I had to scroll up to dvs wall to see names
dan/anak
Alright looking at Tom's list since it wasn't factored in due to it missing a chunk of players.
Tubba is a clear outlier ranking, the fact that both he and Tubba are town reading each other is something that gives me pause.(But not too much since its pretty clear they are both scum).
Kpaca is a strange read and FUWA is abysmal.
Last and Vaimes are both odd. Since nobody else in this game ranked vaimes below 4th in their lists.
Dan and Anak are also really bad, because once again nobody ranked them this low.
This seems to be almost exactly Scum Tom's MO. Throw ***** at wall and hope something sticks. Otherwise lurk your ass off and don't participate.
Couple that with the strange Tubba/Tom town reading each other and I feel like we have two scum caught here.
I'm down for a tubba+Tom+fuwa team... Who's the fourth?
Tom's list
tubba/dv
osi/kpaca/rodemy/fuwa
last/grape/vaimes
other people that I had to scroll up to dvs wall to see names
dan/anak
Alright looking at Tom's list since it wasn't factored in due to it missing a chunk of players.
Tubba is a clear outlier ranking, the fact that both he and Tubba are town reading each other is something that gives me pause.(But not too much since its pretty clear they are both scum).
Kpaca is a strange read and FUWA is abysmal.
Last and Vaimes are both odd. Since nobody else in this game ranked vaimes below 4th in their lists.
Dan and Anak are also really bad, because once again nobody ranked them this low.
This seems to be almost exactly Scum Tom's MO. Throw ***** at wall and hope something sticks. Otherwise lurk your ass off and don't participate.
Couple that with the strange Tubba/Tom town reading each other and I feel like we have two scum caught here.
I'm down for a tubba+Tom+fuwa team... Who's the fourth?
Somebody lurking I think.
My sort of lame tinfoil is that Tom has a bunch of Gemma/Proph players again and hes not feeling like carrying them this game.
Its really hard for me to say if its KA or not. I partially think hes tunneled on me. But that one response to you where he implied some pretty offending things about me, makes me think he might actually be doing it on purpose. I mention him specifically, because if he is doing this I think its lame and pretty uhh dirty. However, he really hasn't talked about anyone else in his 20 something posts and has basically avoided playing the game. I'd appreciate it if he would move on as he indicated he wanted to do, but then went back because he is apparently incapable of dropping it. I guess its an ego thing or a personal issue he has with me.
I also find that implication so ******* offensive.
Then perhaps you now feel how I feel when one of the possibilities that osie describes of me is "gamethrowing" and the other is "arguably malicious".
But W/E right?
You're allowed to say all kinds of ***** like this I guess in your ******* self delusional world.
Yeah, but I don't want to be allowed that.
I would prefer to play a game where no one calls anyone else trash, no one calls anyone else delusional, no one calls anyone else game-throwing, no one calls anyone else malicious.
Wuffles... U tried to ******* pocket me in that game
I mean...it may have come off that way, but I had no intention of doing so; it was an incidental side effect of going after Tom. It didn't matter to me who he was trying to speedlynch, only that trying to speedlynch in a game that would result in day 2 Lylo was bad and gave me the ability to justifiably (at least to KJ and Vezok) go in.
So no, I wasn't trying to pocket you that game and I'm not trying to do so here, only pointing out how you reacted when you were town and being targeted for reasons you thought were bull*****.
Problem is that I haven't been posting enough so I don't really have a defence outside of "I didn't want to post because reasons which are functionally bad". This makes it hard for me to diagnose the difference between people calling me out on bad play and people just looking for excuses to pile onto an easy target. since reading people's motivations for the way they interact with me is the best way o know how to figure out scumreads D1, I figure I might as well at least try to show why I am townreading people, which I am slightly better at.
@Osie my bad, I thought having you at the top of my town reads list would tell you all you needed to know. Don't worry, I'll sleep on the couch tonight if you're offended bebe.
I also find that implication so ******* offensive.
Then perhaps you now feel how I feel when one of the possibilities that osie describes of me is "gamethrowing" and the other is "arguably malicious".
But W/E right?
You're allowed to say all kinds of ***** like this I guess in your ******* self delusional world.
Yeah, but I don't want to be allowed that.
I would prefer to play a game where no one calls anyone else trash, no one calls anyone else delusional, no one calls anyone else game-throwing, no one calls anyone else malicious.
Are you willing to agree to that?
Fair. Let's move on.
There are 14 other players in this game. The game has been going on for over a week now, and you've mentioned about 4 of them in passing. Let's start there.
Sorry haven't been trying to ignore you. You're just asking questions that get lost in the way I play the game. I'm very momentum driven.
I think its slightly fair to say you are not "Fully tunneled on Osie" and at this point you don't seem to be at all. But it was a large focus of your posts.
In regards to GF's list at the time it had a lot more outliers than any of the other lists posted. I wasn't even a 100% on board that it was made up, but I have a commanding town position and I wanted to use it to pressure him. I think his responses were pretty good and I am town reading him because of that.
For me why so high on LW? He just feels town to me still. Its one of those things where I'm not 100% sure if he is or isn't. But with all of the live games I've played with him, he just feels town. I don't feel so strongly that I'm going to say he is undeniably town, but I also don't want to lynch him day one either.
He's thinking for himself and asks good questions. Prolly still my top townread
In response to you directly Tom.
Neither of these are town tells. May I remind you of Wildfire in disheritance. But how do you equate "Thinking for oneself" as being a town tell. When they have people like Vezok above Vaimes. The scum reads on GJ and myself are insulting and show a clear lack of thinking at all. You are being town read above Rodemy? Myself and GJ on this list?
You think this is town? You think that response after I called his list out is town?
@Osie my bad, I thought having you at the top of my town reads list would tell you all you needed to know. Don't worry, I'll sleep on the couch tonight if you're offended bebe.
Okay I'm really liking Wisp for town after his last few posts. Go read the first two or so pages of token mafia. He's acting exactly the same way he did when Tom and Vezok came after him with that speedlynch D1.
Also, cut wisp a bit of a break yeah? He's posted a pretty decent reads list of every player so far. I don't think anyone else in the game has taken the time to ISO every other player so far this game, except maybe D_V. These two are doing work and I really appreciate it as I get kinda lost trying to find slips or motivation day 1, especially when I'm not just trying to turn what is merely bad play into alleged scumtells like I did in token.
Hi there, I'm Osie.
I've ISO'd everyone multiple times now.
@Osie this was what I was responding to there. Sorry, I have you so written as town because of the work you're putting in this game that I didn't think yo include you in the ISO list. Hell, you can't even SPELL "OSIE" without "ISO".
Garbage scum read my ass, have u seen that reads list?
I don't really care what his reads are yet. Maybe after some flips.
He was completely opposed to the consensus reads in friends and enemies and his were way better.
As scum in low fantasy, he just lurked and sheeped.
(Given he sheeped me powerwolfing but still)
Haven't different reads from the thread at large is literally meaningless
honestly, what exactly do you know? Why should I care for ur reads after token mafia? Like I hope ur town just so I can see a real town game from u, but u were completely wrong in token, u preemptively voted in lylo... And having different reads isn't the problem, for me, it's just that he reads make no sense...
U wouldn't call this lurking?, I can't say it's sheeping...
Garbage scum read my ass, have u seen that reads list?
I don't really care what his reads are yet. Maybe after some flips.
He was completely opposed to the consensus reads in friends and enemies and his were way better.
As scum in low fantasy, he just lurked and sheeped.
(Given he sheeped me powerwolfing but still)
Haven't different reads from the thread at large is literally meaningless
honestly, what exactly do you know? Why should I care for ur reads after token mafia? Like I hope ur town just so I can see a real town game from u, but u were completely wrong in token, u preemptively voted in lylo... And having different reads isn't the problem, for me, it's just that he reads make no sense...
U wouldn't call this lurking?, I can't say it's sheeping...
My reads were decent in token?
I wanted to lynch scum wuffles from day 1 on.
I successfully townread kj/Kami d1 and you d2 and cleared vezok by role usage.
I just got fooled by grape and didn't believe townkj could be that bad d2
Garbage scum read my ass, have u seen that reads list?
I don't really care what his reads are yet. Maybe after some flips.
He was completely opposed to the consensus reads in friends and enemies and his were way better.
As scum in low fantasy, he just lurked and sheeped.
(Given he sheeped me powerwolfing but still)
Haven't different reads from the thread at large is literally meaningless
honestly, what exactly do you know? Why should I care for ur reads after token mafia? Like I hope ur town just so I can see a real town game from u, but u were completely wrong in token, u preemptively voted in lylo... And having different reads isn't the problem, for me, it's just that he reads make no sense...
U wouldn't call this lurking?, I can't say it's sheeping...
My reads were decent in token?
I wanted to lynch scum wuffles from day 1 on.
I successfully townread kj/Kami d1 and you d2 and cleared vezok by role usage.
I just got fooled by grape and didn't believe townkj could be that bad d2
As for his reads not making sense...
Ask him?
u town read kami, who's play all game was mediocre but scum read kj for what? He was like the towniest person in that game...
And u played it poorly, like I town read u slightly, but stating, "let's lynch wisp, then if he's town, it's wuffles" wasn't the best play, and I can't even even really town read you, bceause u try so hard to be neutral... Osies motto is, "Always scum read Tom, until you reason not to", like that shouldnt even be a thing, and I spent all of token doing the exact opposite... Which I'm def not gunna do here
And ur town reading tubba here, which feels exactly like arhkam...
Im caught because I have a differing opinion on the game state. That's interesting.
@Last
Are you ever going to address my question about why you mention D_V so much?
@D_V
You are scum lean because of your drive on Vaimes. It was over the top aggressive, I perceive that as scummy. Now that Vaimes doesn't seem to be a viable wagon you dropped him like a hot potato, sheeping the crowd saying Vaimes is obv Town. I perceive that as scummy.
I won't make any claims that I'm a great player, but I think it's pretty disingenuous and convenient to brush them away as trash.
Im caught because I have a differing opinion on the game state. That's interesting.
@Last
Are you ever going to address my question about why you mention D_V so much?
@D_V
You are scum lean because of your drive on Vaimes. It was over the top aggressive, I perceive that as scummy. Now that Vaimes doesn't seem to be a viable wagon you dropped him like a hot potato, sheeping the crowd saying Vaimes is obv Town. I perceive that as scummy.
I won't make any claims that I'm a great player, but I think it's pretty disingenuous and convenient to brush them away as trash.
Well that's a garbage read that ignores PAGES of me posting about why I changed my read.
No thoughts about any of that? No thoughts on 576?
You've brushed away about every shred of evidence in the game. Your list is contrived made up and has zero thought put into it.
Im caught because I have a differing opinion on the game state. That's interesting.
@Last
Are you ever going to address my question about why you mention D_V so much?
@D_V
You are scum lean because of your drive on Vaimes. It was over the top aggressive, I perceive that as scummy. Now that Vaimes doesn't seem to be a viable wagon you dropped him like a hot potato, sheeping the crowd saying Vaimes is obv Town. I perceive that as scummy.
I won't make any claims that I'm a great player, but I think it's pretty disingenuous and convenient to brush them away as trash.
You're caught because you had a bad list. That when called out on you responded with fire and fury about how BAD the idea was. Yet you were perfectly OK to go along with it until then.
If you had thought it was a bad idea you could have protested, or even mentioned it while giving your list. Instead you didn't. Only after being called out on it did you respond with how bad the idea is. Your attempt to reduce the argument even though I explained this earlier is noted.
Im caught because I have a differing opinion on the game state. That's interesting.
@Last
Are you ever going to address my question about why you mention D_V so much?
@D_V
You are scum lean because of your drive on Vaimes. It was over the top aggressive, I perceive that as scummy. Now that Vaimes doesn't seem to be a viable wagon you dropped him like a hot potato, sheeping the crowd saying Vaimes is obv Town. I perceive that as scummy.
I won't make any claims that I'm a great player, but I think it's pretty disingenuous and convenient to brush them away as trash.
Couple that with the fact that your response is to be dismissive about the argument against you instead of explaining why your reads are so off kilter.
There is way more than your read on me. And your read on me ignores massive chunks of the game state.
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I just wanted to know why so many of your posts were about D_V. Just answer that and I can move on. How am I fabricating those posts where you are clearly pocketing/buddying D_V?
I guess DV kind of answered part of it re: GF's list, but still. C'mon.
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@LW I didn't mean to imply that you were townreading Wuffles. You just have a much higher ranking of him than I do, and I was hoping to learn why. Is he behaving similarly as to his last scum game?
Also, I'm singling you out for being a higher volume poster that is not advancing the game. Obviously, the lurkers have that issue as well, and if it comes down to it, I'll policy lynch one toDay. But there's an absence of evidence working in their favor, currently.
Tubba's vote seems opportunistic.
Explain this please. As for the second point, I can town read someone and disagree with their opinion.
Am I the only one who feels like a day one readslist is kind of pointless? I feel like it benefits scum more than town, day one is a crapshoot regardless and it lets scum know who is on the radar. I'm probably just bad, but I'm not seeing enough information to make strong reads on anyone, so it just seems like gut feelings to me?
Also, cut wisp a bit of a break yeah? He's posted a pretty decent reads list of every player so far. I don't think anyone else in the game has taken the time to ISO every other player so far this game, except maybe D_V. These two are doing work and I really appreciate it as I get kinda lost trying to find slips or motivation day 1, especially when I'm not just trying to turn what is merely bad play into alleged scumtells like I did in token.
No you got caught.
You got caught. Don't say pointless because you got caught.
LOL.
CAUGHT.
You made a list then, I called you out on how bad it is. Then you say "Its pointless"
Got em boys.
Hi there, I'm Osie.
I've ISO'd everyone multiple times now.
Yeah phone posting is awful.
Inb4 modkill
I don't think the players that didn't post their lists are going to change much.
Here is the master list.
Vaimes
DV
Osie
Grape
Gan
Rod
Vez
GJ
Anak
Tubba
LW
KA
Tom
Kpaca
Wuffles
Fuwwa
There is a surprising amount of agreement between players. If I remove the outliers of Grape and Tubba on me I am by far the most read town player in the game. I think Rodemy and KA would attempt to put me to the bottom as well, but I'm going to ignore that for the time being, since I would still be a large margin be in the top three of town read players in the game.
Vaimes is always sitting at the number 2 spot if the outliers are removed and always sitting at the number one spot otherwise.
Osie is hands down the third most town read in the game. Osie only had one player rank them as 8(Gan) and one at 7(Vez).
After that Grape, Gan and Rod are all very close ranked next to each other. I think it should be noted that Rodemy was read as the number 4 town in the game, but due to some outliers putting him toward the bottom he became muddled with Gand and Grape. I think my own read is bad on Rodemy, but partially don't really care. The other players that ranked Rodemy low were Wuffles, LW and Tubba. Honestly that isn't a good look for my own read and I attempted to mitigate that by moving Rodemy to 10th in my read list, but he still remained here.
Gan and Grape were decently well read. Grape had one player rank them 13th(Osie) and Ganderin had one person rank him 13(DV) and one person rank him 3rd(Grape).
Vez scored lower by about 3 points than the other three, but still scored higher than GJ by a large margin. Vez is probabally one of the more controversial players that was ranked. We gave some cluster of people putting in from 5-9th(Vaimes, Ganderin, GJ, and Osie) we have others rating him at 2 and 3 Wuffles and Tubba respectively and then we have 3 players ranking him at 12th,(Myself, Grape and LW).
GJ is on his own special island. He didn't score as high as those above him, but he didn't score as low as those below him. There is an almost 20 point difference between him and either side. Almost as high as the difference between the holy trinity and Grape. GJ was ranked either close to 6th or 13 by players.
Anak and Tubba are the next group. Anak is similar to GJ he is either ranked about 5-6th or 11th. Tubba has almost no disagreement on him with almost all players placing him at 10-12 with only vaimes being an outlier at 7th.
LW, Tom and KA all scored almost identically to each other with only a few points of difference. LW is decently controversial with him either being close to dead last or 7th. Wuffles, Grape and Myself all have him at 7th and Osie has him at 10th Vezo has him at 11th and everyone else has him at around 15-15th.
KA is largely being placed somewhere form 12-14th with (GJ, Grape and Myself have him higher).
Tom is overall placed from 14-15th with Grape having him at 4th and tubba having him at 7th. Vezok and Last also have him higher in their lists at 9th and 8th place respectively.
Kpaca and wuffles are sitting very close to each other. Last is an outlier by having wuffles at 7th and Tubba has kpaca at 6th.
Fuwa is at the bottom of the pack by a large margin with only Vezok having her at 10th.
I should not that I used everyones list and placed those who participated at the top of their own lists respectively. This means that a few positions that were close such as KA and Tom might have been higher had they participated in making lists(And by higher I mean higher than LW). There isn't a way for them to jump whole categories unless they placed Anak and Tubba at the bottom of their lists and then it would only make them all close to each other, not make them jump above.
I'll get into more analysis in a bit.
tubba/dv
osi/kpaca/rodemy/fuwa
last/grape/vaimes
other people that I had to scroll up to dvs wall to see names
dan/anak
Alright looking at Tom's list since it wasn't factored in due to it missing a chunk of players.
Tubba is a clear outlier ranking, the fact that both he and Tubba are town reading each other is something that gives me pause.(But not too much since its pretty clear they are both scum).
Kpaca is a strange read and FUWA is abysmal.
Last and Vaimes are both odd. Since nobody else in this game ranked vaimes below 4th in their lists.
Dan and Anak are also really bad, because once again nobody ranked them this low.
This seems to be almost exactly Scum Tom's MO. Throw ***** at wall and hope something sticks. Otherwise lurk your ass off and don't participate.
Couple that with the strange Tubba/Tom town reading each other and I feel like we have two scum caught here.
I'm down for a tubba+Tom+fuwa team... Who's the fourth?
Somebody lurking I think.
My sort of lame tinfoil is that Tom has a bunch of Gemma/Proph players again and hes not feeling like carrying them this game.
Its really hard for me to say if its KA or not. I partially think hes tunneled on me. But that one response to you where he implied some pretty offending things about me, makes me think he might actually be doing it on purpose. I mention him specifically, because if he is doing this I think its lame and pretty uhh dirty. However, he really hasn't talked about anyone else in his 20 something posts and has basically avoided playing the game. I'd appreciate it if he would move on as he indicated he wanted to do, but then went back because he is apparently incapable of dropping it. I guess its an ego thing or a personal issue he has with me.
I think its anyone below GJ.
If we have vigs/cops they need to go here.
Yeah, but I don't want to be allowed that.
I would prefer to play a game where no one calls anyone else trash, no one calls anyone else delusional, no one calls anyone else game-throwing, no one calls anyone else malicious.
Are you willing to agree to that?
So no, I wasn't trying to pocket you that game and I'm not trying to do so here, only pointing out how you reacted when you were town and being targeted for reasons you thought were bull*****.
Problem is that I haven't been posting enough so I don't really have a defence outside of "I didn't want to post because reasons which are functionally bad". This makes it hard for me to diagnose the difference between people calling me out on bad play and people just looking for excuses to pile onto an easy target. since reading people's motivations for the way they interact with me is the best way o know how to figure out scumreads D1, I figure I might as well at least try to show why I am townreading people, which I am slightly better at.
@Osie my bad, I thought having you at the top of my town reads list would tell you all you needed to know. Don't worry, I'll sleep on the couch tonight if you're offended bebe.
Fair. Let's move on.
There are 14 other players in this game. The game has been going on for over a week now, and you've mentioned about 4 of them in passing. Let's start there.
Sorry haven't been trying to ignore you. You're just asking questions that get lost in the way I play the game. I'm very momentum driven.
I think its slightly fair to say you are not "Fully tunneled on Osie" and at this point you don't seem to be at all. But it was a large focus of your posts.
In regards to GF's list at the time it had a lot more outliers than any of the other lists posted. I wasn't even a 100% on board that it was made up, but I have a commanding town position and I wanted to use it to pressure him. I think his responses were pretty good and I am town reading him because of that.
For me why so high on LW? He just feels town to me still. Its one of those things where I'm not 100% sure if he is or isn't. But with all of the live games I've played with him, he just feels town. I don't feel so strongly that I'm going to say he is undeniably town, but I also don't want to lynch him day one either.
No guile huh?
@Grape
He's thinking for himself and asks good questions. Prolly still my top townread
In response to you directly Tom.
Neither of these are town tells. May I remind you of Wildfire in disheritance. But how do you equate "Thinking for oneself" as being a town tell. When they have people like Vezok above Vaimes. The scum reads on GJ and myself are insulting and show a clear lack of thinking at all. You are being town read above Rodemy? Myself and GJ on this list?
You think this is town? You think that response after I called his list out is town?
How?
@Wuffles, @Kami: I agree minus the "If you have a problem with me, say it to me rather than to someone else" factor...
@Wuffles: I don't get it.
@Tom what are you referring to, sorry?
This:
talking to dv about tubbas response earlier this page
He's got a garbage scumread on tubba and is now confirmation biasing it
Tom's just mad he got caught early.
He was completely opposed to the consensus reads in friends and enemies and his were way better.
As scum in low fantasy, he just lurked and sheeped.
(Given he sheeped me powerwolfing but still)
Haven't different reads from the thread at large is literally meaningless
Vote:Tom
U wouldn't call this lurking?, I can't say it's sheeping...
The whole list thing is such a trash argument by Tom.
He doesn't even make it go longer he just says "Its useless" which it totally isn't.
@tubba
If I wasn't at worked I'd explain
But phone posting is meh, especially cause it lags
I think there's an unusually high agreement level among the playerbase because we have a number of players just not doing... anything.
I wanted to lynch scum wuffles from day 1 on.
I successfully townread kj/Kami d1 and you d2 and cleared vezok by role usage.
I just got fooled by grape and didn't believe townkj could be that bad d2
As for his reads not making sense...
Ask him?
(Including grape)
I strongly believe I've done nothing alignment indicative this game. Or at least nothing *alignment exclusive*
So it's whatever
And u played it poorly, like I town read u slightly, but stating, "let's lynch wisp, then if he's town, it's wuffles" wasn't the best play, and I can't even even really town read you, bceause u try so hard to be neutral... Osies motto is, "Always scum read Tom, until you reason not to", like that shouldnt even be a thing, and I spent all of token doing the exact opposite... Which I'm def not gunna do here
And ur town reading tubba here, which feels exactly like arhkam...
Tom your scum game has tells. And like multiple of us have mentioned them. You saying "No solid points". Its just a joke its rude.
@Last
Are you ever going to address my question about why you mention D_V so much?
@D_V
You are scum lean because of your drive on Vaimes. It was over the top aggressive, I perceive that as scummy. Now that Vaimes doesn't seem to be a viable wagon you dropped him like a hot potato, sheeping the crowd saying Vaimes is obv Town. I perceive that as scummy.
I won't make any claims that I'm a great player, but I think it's pretty disingenuous and convenient to brush them away as trash.
Well that's a garbage read that ignores PAGES of me posting about why I changed my read.
No thoughts about any of that? No thoughts on 576?
You've brushed away about every shred of evidence in the game. Your list is contrived made up and has zero thought put into it.
You're caught because you had a bad list. That when called out on you responded with fire and fury about how BAD the idea was. Yet you were perfectly OK to go along with it until then.
If you had thought it was a bad idea you could have protested, or even mentioned it while giving your list. Instead you didn't. Only after being called out on it did you respond with how bad the idea is. Your attempt to reduce the argument even though I explained this earlier is noted.
What is ur question? DV makes up half the thread almost, do u want me to pretend he's invisible?
Couple that with the fact that your response is to be dismissive about the argument against you instead of explaining why your reads are so off kilter.
There is way more than your read on me. And your read on me ignores massive chunks of the game state.