hmm vote: Fuwa
FuFu-chan come out and play my dear...
*pokes
Where you at in this game right? anything new to tell us? is vaimes still scum to you?
I feel like you're doing this on purpose now (sigh)
I'm caught up, but I've been skimming some posts so I'll need to read the thread again. Totally up for that (just not today). Vaimes is still scum to me. I don't have a list of reasons, and my reasons aren't particularly strong, but it's still a read :/
Though more than just Vaimes are giving me some bad vibes, I'll elaborate later.
Interested to read Grape's post when I come back to the thread.
You haven't taken an active voice in this game. Like at all. I am not expecting you to be the leader running the show, but at least show somewhat in this game.
Pretend Vaimes won't ever happen, who are your next two highest wolf reads?
vote: kami
we got him boys... then again I already thought he was scum, she pushes are just bad
How do you feel about voting behind tom?
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@GJ What scum motivations do you think that Osie would have for shading you, but then not trying to convince others to do so?
I didn't think it was a motivation, more so a lack of care of my wagon, and what direction it goes. If I get lynched, great now he helped, and likely won't be looked at over people more actively pushing me. If I don't get lynched, no harm no foul. It just didn't feel like he was genuine about his wolf read on me.
He is at least posting a ton now, and seems to be game solving so I could potentially just be biased because voting me. I would put him as a tier 3 town read right now.
I am trying to follow this Kami mindset, and while I am getting a heachache trying to follow it, I don't think it's scummy. Why would scumKami try so hard to push someone being consistently town read past at least a few people questioning that? Like, I guess there is some strange world where DV/Kami/Osierb wolf world of tinfoil exists, but that feels really weird for him. Kami is clearly frustrated, but I don't think it's wolf frustration. It feels more like town frustration that thinks he has something, but is unwilling to consider he is wrong.
GJ
ask Wuffles, since he spent all of Token Mafia scum reading Tom, and Tom was town, and Wuffles was scum, and the whole push was so agenda based, and tahts what this feels like
I am going to say this once again because apparently I need to repeat myself infinitely:
I believe DV is scum based on his interaction with Vaimes, in an isolation separate from any meta.
I also believe DV is scum based on experience with Pirates.
I also believe that on Day 1, lynching the most aggressive/controversial player is a good play for town because emotion is more beneficial to scum than town.
I also believe that policy lynches of people who antagonize others are good when all other things are equal and there's no better mechanical choice.
I am pushing DV for four reasons. I am not likely to change my mind unless all four are negated.
If 1. Is true then you should be pushing and explaining that because it's the only.part of your "case" that could even be argued to be true.
2 is taking a meta read from one game and applying it here on a player you have yourself said you don't know the playstyle of. How can you use one point of reference on something you don't know?
3 how is eliminating aggressive players good for town? Those two things have absolutely no relation to each other, and someone could slow their aggression down if it became a problem anyway so what's the point of lynching them?
4 could technically be true I guess maybe, in some fantasy world where we somehow knew all these things, but A this isn't that world and B we won't ever be in it.
You were trying to push a mislynch on someone you thought would be an easy target, and are failing when trying to explain what you saw. Vote: KamikazeArchon
I don't like this. There are people in this game I think can be easy targets. DV is certainly not one I would put at the top of the list.
@DV Tier 1 being strong reads, lower tier being more and more leans
Tier 1 town
GJ
DV
Tier 2 town
Vaimes
Rodemy
Tier 3 town
Osierorb
Kami
Grapefruit
Dan
Vezok
Tier 1 Wolf
None
Tier 2 Wolf
Anak
LW
Fuwa
Tier 3 Wolf
Kpaca
Tom
Tubba Fett
Wuffles
I don't have anyone I have a super strong read on wolf wise. I tried to make up for it with my new style of just never having null reads. I feel like it is a strong exercise that forces you to try and take something that makes someone town or wolf and commit to it (yes, I am aware there are not 6 wolves). Wuffles/Tom/Vezok would probably be my true null. Wuffles doesn't feel active voice, and tom still feels off. I remember town games with town where he annoyed the ***** out of me, and even as he played longer, and on MU, he still had a spark in his tone I am just not senseing here. Vezok was just out of my nulls, probably the least wolfy person there hence his spot.
GJ
ask Wuffles, since he spent all of Token Mafia scum reading Tom, and Tom was town, and Wuffles was scum, and the whole push was so agenda based, and tahts what this feels like
:/
I am trying to solve my conflict. I don't like Wuffles, but I am not a huge fan of you or tom so clearly I am wrong somewhere.
GJ
ask Wuffles, since he spent all of Token Mafia scum reading Tom, and Tom was town, and Wuffles was scum, and the whole push was so agenda based, and tahts what this feels like
:/
I am trying to solve my conflict. I don't like Wuffles, but I am not a huge fan of you or tom so clearly I am wrong somewhere.
im a pretty reasonable guy, but after my last game, I realized I gotta stop letting people sway my votes... and im putting less trust in people
also why even put a Level 1 Wolf: section if its empty... makes the reads seem fake...
I still need to get through my reread of wuffles
Tom will stay neutral for now
Kpaca is actually low end neutral towards scum for me, I am glad someone else is sick of his *****
Anak I need to reread
Fuwa, well shes a special case, and I will have my eyes on her
and Tubba has literally no posts, so hes at the bottom just for lurking, Im done with lurkers...
Just trying to push content out at this point because I'm feeling really bad about not posting this game so here's a dump with a reads list at the bottom.
Alright, so, the reason why I'm taking so long to post content here is because I keep getting in my re-reads to the parts where Vaimes and D_V are going at it (like srsly just **** already. Gawd. ) and then just stop reading in disgust. Mostly because of D_V. My only regret is that being an ******** is not necessarily a scumtell. So, sorry if there's any major scumtells that could win the game, but I'm not reading pages 3-10 ever again. It just de-motivates me and that's bad.
So, I'm reading from Post 500 to ignore the slap-fight. Some of these are notes for later to do ISO's on people that raise my heckles. Here's what I've got, taking live notes from reading straight from 500 till current.
Ganderin_Dan - #511. Read Rodemy's post re tunnelling tom. Read G_D's ISO.
- Iso Tom, as his posts have been thoroughly without impact this game similarly to Arkham.
Rodemy - Unsure if he's jumping on the "D_V needs to take a nap" train late and faking emotion or not. His #531 is bad. D_V pointed out towngames he's played with rodemy recently which they were both town in.
Wisp - Seems townie enough so far, and kinda drunk. He's not going all-in yet which seems different to his previous games I've played with him, so he's still on my radar for now.
#751 eyyyyyy A.D.D. bros! I was diagnosed three weeks before Arkham started.
His posts #577 and #655 - hahahahahahahahahahahah, okay those posts made my day. (Wisp is salty AF that Grape and I rekt him so hard in the last micro, which I don't blame him for - but what he probably doesn't know is that micro was actually my first ever scum victory in like 25+ games of mafia.
@Osie - Osie's posts this game have been excellent. Inquisitive, not jumping to conclusions, and legitimately trying to prod people for content. He's spewing town to me right now. However, I'm mad at him because I came into this game expecting to see the trademark Osie flailing and instead am just getting good, sensible reads from him.
I particularly like him in #525 where he calls me a cheeky person. *****, he's got my meta down! Must come from running both of the first two games I've played in here since my triumphant reappearance on MTGS. He can confirm that I am cheeky as **** as both town (I tried SO HARD to get information from him and D_V during Arkham, and, well, he saw the balls on me during the micro game that Grape and I clean-swept.) So yeah, can confirm, am cheeky. However, I was not pocketing Vaimes for any reasons to do with this game; if anything I think that is a terrible idea considering how easily he was baited by D_V during their initial slapfight. I had literally just finished reading the barebones game that he and Silvercrys saved from a very dominant Tomsloger led mafia by needing to LyLo lynch 3 mafia members in a row in order to win...and doing it. I wanted to handshake him and ask for an autograph as this was my first time interacting with him, nothing more.
Also, ayyyy 12 Grumpy men reference yeaaahhhh *captain america voice* I understood that reference!
@Osie #653 - K_A, Tomsloger seem scummy. Grape is a maybe since he hasn't really been posting. Fuwa is basically 100% fluff so no read. Vezok seems typically self-assured vezok town. G_J Idk, seems a bit more townie to me than not currently?
Vezok - I reiterate as I did during the last micro that Vezok is a gut-reader player. As long as he is confident and stubborn in his reads I have no interest in pursuing him which is currently the case.
#663 It really isn't a good reason for voting wuffles. This post is the first time wuffles has posted actual content. Wuffles lurking and not posting content is the only good reason for voting wuffles because frankly I haven't pushed anything or anyone because I'm generally pretty lost D1 before mechanics/flips happen. :/
#688 is maybe okay? Like it sounds like he's wondering who fits and I've not posted anything useful yet so...okay, I guess.
#705 is totally on-point.
Tom - Well, I went all-in on Tom last time I was scum. However, his posts here seem pretty non-committal. In the one game I've played with TownTom, he was aggressive, confident, and brash. He was confident in his reads and was openly contemptuous of people that scumread him. I haven't seen any of that so far this game from him, but he IS seeming much more like ScumTom from Arkham so far. Staying under the radar, low-key using him Tomness(tm) to avoid posting actual content. A good example of this is his recent vote on K_A with no reason or explanation. A post which votes and nothing else is generall a scumtell, especially on D1, especially on a wagon that is just starting to gain momentum. Also LOL at voting me in 585. You really seem like you're jumping on every bandwagon to see what sticks rather than out of any actual conviction. I think this is a good place to go, even though he totally didn't try to lynch wisp yet, but KA first. That no-reason vote on KA #714, tho... >:(
Fuwa has been 100% unremarkable this game. Her posts are totally meh. Does anyone have any reference to her other games? Is this a scumtell or towntell? I ask because I'd like to figure out if that wagon's worth it or not. 10/10 would also get baited into games just to play more games with Grape, though. <3 And yes, my avatar is ******* adorable. I'm more of a pet-owner than a pet, though I do like my belly being rubbed and my friends always tell me my hair is very soft .
Grapefruit - I haven't seen much of substance so far except for his push on Fuwa, which seems okay, considering Fuwa's lack of substance.
D_V's post 576 and 579 are great - But my vote on you is a random vote, son, which you already noticed from the fact that I've voted nobody else this game so ??? to using it as ammunition?. I didn't realize it was still there. And frankly, I'm super disappointed in your posting this game so far - you're literally the reason why my participation has been crap all game so far. But I'm over it now and posting.
His #690, though - there is no ******* way you have enough reason to believe that of me lol. I haven't given you enough reason to think so either way. #badposting
#725 JESUS CHRIST D_V STOP WITH THE ADHOM OR I'M GOING TO ASK THAT YOU BE PUT ON THE RESTRICTED LIST. JFC. UNNECESSARY.
Vaimes - Oh man. I have no freaking idea on Vaimes. I, uh... liked his play in barebones? I did like his #581, though. He's consistently maintained that D_V is town despite EVERYTHING and I buy that. I think Vaimes has more reason than anyone to be butthurt over the way D_V ripped into him so if he says D_V is town, I buy it - at least for now. Inb4 this was the scum gambit of a lifetime and they're actually W/W and we've already lost.
His #600 calling out Tom for not trying to solve D1 because everyone's alive is weird, though. Like there's no way for anyone who isn't mafia (and therefore knows everyone else who isn't) to solve at this stage, unless mafia reallllly screw up and irrevocably tie themselves together? Not sure if scum post or just dumb post. Distancing maybe?
#665 Yup, I'm of the same opinion on the "meh, let's vote wuffles" wagon that's appearing. I literally haven't posted enough real content either way to be read yet imo.
Gentleman Johnny - Okay so I hate his playstyle already. He seems pretty arrogant and dismissive and that rubs me the wrong way. with that in mind, I like his #622 on tunnelling D1. He's right, when there's nothing except playstyle and posting (i.e. no flips or mechanics) to go off, you hunt as best you can. +town for that one.
K_A - "And how could you know who the whole town is" is a really bad response to D_V's attempt to get people like me to post content. with every player alive I think it's kind of obvious that D_V isn't saying that he is going to identify who all of the townies making lists ARE, so much as "there are probably 12 townies here, so compiling the reads of 12 honest players and 4 (or so? IDK) non-town ones still has use as we still get a 75% honest reads list (assuming townies have no reason to lie, which in a normal I have no reason to suspect otherwise for). This post seems dense and an attempt to discredit a player whose idea is not a bad one. -town.
His #712 is particularly bad. His interaction with Vaimes was total cancer, but like he didn't come off as scummy per say, so much as an ********.
Wisp has already pointed out games of D_V's where he is town and playing the exact same way. D_V META SCUMREADS ARE JUST BAD. AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD.
Meh, maybe lynching aggressive/controversial players isn't the worst play, especially if it causes people to literally not want to post as a result, but...in general this point is bad.
Policy lynches on antagonistic players are bad. I've seriously considered them in this game, but they're just bad. Antagonistic =/= scum. Look at Tom's game in the micro that just finished. He was pretty dismissive and antagonistic and also totally town. Vote KamikazeArchon.
#737 - that's absolutely true, but you don't get to ride a high-horse there because you were inactive to the point that pushing you was child's play. To be taken seriously, please insert two participation coins to continue. (I do understand the irony here based on my play so far this game though, which is why I don't blame people for voting me thus far)
Scum reads:
Tom, K_A.
Maybe Fuwa based on lack of posting useful stuff.
Strong town reads:
Osie
Vezok
Everyone else is kinda meh so far. Leaning town on D_V and Vaimes.
Kpaca
maybe its just me, but answering a question with a question, just seems like deflection, if someone asks you why you think someone is scum, you should answer it, not ask why said person thinks the other is town...
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as kpaca has said a few times this game, this post is poop, you might actually be scum too
Kpaca
maybe its just me, but answering a question with a question, just seems like deflection, if someone asks you why you think someone is scum, you should answer it, not ask why said person thinks the other is town...
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as kpaca has said a few times this game, this post is poop, you might actually be scum too
GJ
ask Wuffles, since he spent all of Token Mafia scum reading Tom, and Tom was town, and Wuffles was scum, and the whole push was so agenda based, and tahts what this feels like
:/
I am trying to solve my conflict. I don't like Wuffles, but I am not a huge fan of you or tom so clearly I am wrong somewhere.
im a pretty reasonable guy, but after my last game, I realized I gotta stop letting people sway my votes... and im putting less trust in people
also why even put a Level 1 Wolf: section if its empty... makes the reads seem fake...
I still need to get through my reread of wuffles
Tom will stay neutral for now
Kpaca is actually low end neutral towards scum for me, I am glad someone else is sick of his *****
Anak I need to reread
Fuwa, well shes a special case, and I will have my eyes on her
and Tubba has literally no posts, so hes at the bottom just for lurking, Im done with lurkers...
and me? well I'm town lol
I made that list in 5 minutes, and I couldn't remember all 16 players in my first go. I don't know, just something I do. If I really wanted to fake it, I could have just moved any person on the other list and marked them as a top wolf read. I don't know why if you think my list is fake, the blank tier 1 is your smoking gun.
I don't know if Kpaca is a wolf or not, but I almost want to just move anyone who has him as a lean town read to my wolf list. The guy has done nothing.
Im very forgetful can you show me where this is? lol
also, I can scum read someone for anything I want, and call ur votes *****, thats how I live my life
Im very forgetful can you show me where this is? lol
also, I can scum read someone for anything I want, and call ur votes *****, thats how I live my life
click on the links
That's not how this game works. Back up your read on kpaca and when you decided you were "sick of his *****."
GJ
ask Wuffles, since he spent all of Token Mafia scum reading Tom, and Tom was town, and Wuffles was scum, and the whole push was so agenda based, and tahts what this feels like
:/
I am trying to solve my conflict. I don't like Wuffles, but I am not a huge fan of you or tom so clearly I am wrong somewhere.
im a pretty reasonable guy, but after my last game, I realized I gotta stop letting people sway my votes... and im putting less trust in people
also why even put a Level 1 Wolf: section if its empty... makes the reads seem fake...
I still need to get through my reread of wuffles
Tom will stay neutral for now
Kpaca is actually low end neutral towards scum for me, I am glad someone else is sick of his *****
Anak I need to reread
Fuwa, well shes a special case, and I will have my eyes on her
and Tubba has literally no posts, so hes at the bottom just for lurking, Im done with lurkers...
and me? well I'm town lol
I made that list in 5 minutes, and I couldn't remember all 16 players in my first go. I don't know, just something I do. If I really wanted to fake it, I could have just moved any person on the other list and marked them as a top wolf read. I don't know why if you think my list is fake, the blank tier 1 is your smoking gun.
I don't know if Kpaca is a wolf or not, but I almost want to just move anyone who has him as a lean town read to my wolf list. The guy has done nothing.
good point haha, hmm im feeling better about you after these couple posts
Also of note, apart from day length, the biggest two differences in meta between this site and MU are probably the following:
1). Busing is a lot rarer on MU
2). People care a lot more about votes outside of lyol.
Mostly to point 1, but it's why I have such a hard time finding a vote for a wolf read if another wolf read is on them. That wagon list is ***** though. So Vote Tom
Im very forgetful can you show me where this is? lol
also, I can scum read someone for anything I want, and call ur votes *****, thats how I live my life
click on the links
That's not how this game works. Back up your read on kpaca and when you decided you were "sick of his *****."
still working on it, its long and my A.D.D makes my mind wonder :3
Also of note, apart from day length, the biggest two differences in meta between this site and MU are probably the following:
1). Busing is a lot rarer on MU
2). People care a lot more about votes outside of lyol.
Mostly to point 1, but it's why I have such a hard time finding a vote for a wolf read if another wolf read is on them. That wagon list is ***** though. So Vote Tom
there are many things different from MU and here imo, there meta is weird as ****
Vaimes
hmm I remember when Osie thought that post was me admitting scum with, ohh look how the tables have turned.
Cant actually recall what I was thinking at the time I made that post... so cant really tell you
but im rereading everyone, and I realized that kpaca hasnt made like any game solving posts, mostly just fluff, and acting like a lost adult
Maybe not multiple games with you in them, but wisp pointed out other DV games where he was town and acting the same. Tbh I don't know why he hasn't been put on probation by now if this is his normal MO tho. :/
Kpaca
Doesnt know any acronyms
Dont think hes faining ignorance
mostly fluff so far
thinks DV is town, ok with votes on GJ
says that Vaimes is scum, thats make poop posts
snarky is his replies to vaimes
Grape made a poop post also apparently
states hes been scum hunting? but dont really see it?
Final Notes: somewhat fluffy, tonally he sounds townie, hasnt done much scum hunting
I would put him at the lower end of neutral
Osie
Reads list was weird for a 3rd post, but dont think its scummy at all
Probably only one between Dan/Osie can be mafia, or none, who knows
overfriendly and fluffy (at some points)
doesnt like GJ or Dan
his reads are progressing, which I like, and hes actually scum hunting
Town Lean
Rodemy
comes in on page 4, rvs on Tom, quoted vaimes for his first post (probably means nothing)
post was also really fluffy
large catch up post, doesnt agree with scum reads on Vaimes, asks Vez why he scum reads Tom
while shading Vez's ability to read people
says kpaca is weird?
votes Osie, because idk...
wants to tunnel Tom, while questioning why Vez is voting Tom...
@Rodemy I scum read people for buddying all the time, if you dont want to join my scum reads
then give me a decent reason of my why scum read is bad
scum reads DV
strongly disagrees on voting GJ, possible W/W
also his post about the town games meaning nothing was weird
the typical "**** it unvote" haha and his gambit was bad
Scummiest of Scum right here
GJ
Early fluff
Calls Osies List wolfy
calls vezok/Wuffles both town
thinks tom is tame, aka wolf
tells dv to lynch him, brings OoG into into the game
calls me a sheep, the audacity... or wolves with DV for thinking DVs anger is town or nai
at ******* best
gets angry so quickly... again with the OoG
bad strawman
so mean :'(
gets a couple scum reads then doesnt wanna play? bad AtE
nothing useful
Scumlean
Tom
Nope
Neutral
Kami
No more than one scum exists in DV/Vaimes/g_d. states that the rest are setting back letting
this happen? (no idea where this comes from)
Idk much bout g_d since I havent gotten to his iso, but like I said, DV/Vaimes can be town
@Kami is it possible that none of them are scum? and why did you add g_d to this list? I wasn't scumreading him until just now, but he's awfully concerned about people scumreading him, so now I am kind of scumreading him. wait we agree on something
@DV you maybe able to reads GJ's agressive tone, but to be it feels flaily
@Kami I just cant follow ur reasoning in post #512, cause ive seen the complete opposite...
which means in my case its also NAI, this push on DV jsut looks so agenda based
and you say its not a meta read? but I dont see it
well at least you dropped DV
still dont know wht to think of your tone this game...
I guess, as of right now, u just seeem like scum that stop pushing
a case u couldnt push so
light scum read
Dan
abstaining from rvs was kinda weird? idk why he had to make a post about it
dont get how he ended RVS with that vote on Osie with literally no explanation
#129 was a weird post
#136 I like this post
some posts just feel there for the sake of posting
but most of his posts are him asking questions and solving?
town lean
Ive opted to not bother reading DV, I will just put him at Town/Neutral, since I cant deny that some people have seen him do this in a scum game, games which I havent seen... Id rather he be left for another day
But mostly I don't think scum!tom sticks to a lurking strategy when momentum starts to build against him. In my experience on of his strongest skills is having his finger on the pulse of game flow and while maybe it's the real life getting in the way I don't feel like this is scum!tom trying to manipulate the thread at all. He's been a non presence.
TLDR he had a nice progression on Dan I didn't agree with and he has a lack of scum anything this game.
Maybe not multiple games with you in them, but wisp pointed out other DV games where he was town and acting the same. Tbh I don't know why he hasn't been put on probation by now if this is his normal MO tho. :/
You realize posts like this are antagonistic right?
You realize I'm upset because we have a player game throwing right?
Should I sit by meekly while another player passive aggressively makes snide comments? After reading friends and enemies Vaimes basically pulled the same shtick there as well. Should vaimes be placed on probation as well?
You ignore posts such as 734, yet criticize me for every post I make. I guess I'm just the bad guy because I'm willing to call people out on this. But really at the end of the day its ok for you to make snide remarks such as this right? But I'm the problem because I use swear words.
But mostly I don't think scum!tom sticks to a lurking strategy when momentum starts to build against him. In my experience on of his strongest skills is having his finger on the pulse of game flow and while maybe it's the real life getting in the way I don't feel like this is scum!tom trying to manipulate the thread at all. He's been a non presence.
TLDR he had a nice progression on Dan I didn't agree with and he has a lack of scum anything this game.
You don't think post such as 585 right after he got called out are him attempting to not look that way?
Also how is he higher than other people. At best, hes slightly town. Not more than me or Osie.
Wuffles
roleplaying as Darth Vader
RVS vote on DV
god there isnt much here...
Neutral I guess
Grape
Well for one, him and Fuwa are never scum together
lots of posts about being busy... pretty OoG, would push this
but lurker Grape is probably scum Grape
not enough posts imo to say anything
Neutral as well
Vez
town reads Osie/Vaimes/Dv
never scum with Tom...
ya nothing really here either
Neutral
Anak
uggh, I dont care for all these lurkers...
idk, neutral also?
Fuwa
like stated before, special case, will keep in eye on her
Tubba
literally nothing here
one lurker is always scum tho
Neutral/Scum
done for the night, most of the stuff in this post are bs reads... compared to my larger post above... so dont quote me on these
You don't think post such as 585 right after he got called out are him attempting to not look that way?
Also how is he higher than other people. At best, hes slightly town. Not more than me or Osie.
I'm not remotely convinced Osie is town. Why do you have him so high? As for you I've like what you've come back with recently and I like your push to get everyone to commit to reads, but I felt Vaimes came out of your slapfight much townier. And you're someone I can't read well. The only game I've ever had a confident read on you in was Disinheritance and an unofficial spectator and that was as much about tom as it was about you. Also you insisting to me that you should be a higher town read is giving me pause. You're nowhere near the Rod/Vaimes level for me.
And I don't see anything wrong with 585. It's lacking guile in the game way the rests of his posts are. Even in a read wall I don't agree with where he votes a neutral read over two scum leans I don't see him as pushing the game in any particular direction. If Fuwa were to flip scum (which she probably will) I'd reevaluate him because his read on her is soft as, but without that association he reads incredibly purely to me.
You don't think post such as 585 right after he got called out are him attempting to not look that way?
Also how is he higher than other people. At best, hes slightly town. Not more than me or Osie.
I'm not remotely convinced Osie is town. Why do you have him so high? As for you I've like what you've come back with recently and I like your push to get everyone to commit to reads, but I felt Vaimes came out of your slapfight much townier. And you're someone I can't read well. The only game I've ever had a confident read on you in was Disinheritance and an unofficial spectator and that was as much about tom as it was about you. Also you insisting to me that you should be a higher town read is giving me pause. You're nowhere near the Rod/Vaimes level for me.
And I don't see anything wrong with 585. It's lacking guile in the game way the rests of his posts are. Even in a read wall I don't agree with where he votes a neutral read over two scum leans I don't see him as pushing the game in any particular direction. If Fuwa were to flip scum (which she probably will) I'd reevaluate him because his read on her is soft as, but without that association he reads incredibly purely to me.
Doesn't AA-Dona just lurk in all games always?
It really feels to me like your list is 100% made up.
You've basically got all of the lurkers in the bottom half of your list and all of the high posters in the top half except for kpaca, who hasn't really given much content yet.
You've got people like Tubba low for some reason.
Why is GJ so low on your list? This almost feels like you just saw others were scum reading him and put him there.
Your Fuwa read is contrived as well, but I guess I'll just wait for you to make an actual case on them.
You don't think post such as 585 right after he got called out are him attempting to not look that way?
Also how is he higher than other people. At best, hes slightly town. Not more than me or Osie.
I'm not remotely convinced Osie is town. Why do you have him so high? As for you I've like what you've come back with recently and I like your push to get everyone to commit to reads, but I felt Vaimes came out of your slapfight much townier. And you're someone I can't read well. The only game I've ever had a confident read on you in was Disinheritance and an unofficial spectator and that was as much about tom as it was about you. Also you insisting to me that you should be a higher town read is giving me pause. You're nowhere near the Rod/Vaimes level for me.
And I don't see anything wrong with 585. It's lacking guile in the game way the rests of his posts are. Even in a read wall I don't agree with where he votes a neutral read over two scum leans I don't see him as pushing the game in any particular direction. If Fuwa were to flip scum (which she probably will) I'd reevaluate him because his read on her is soft as, but without that association he reads incredibly purely to me.
Wait also.
Can you show me one post from a scum Tom game that had "Guile".
Wuffles
roleplaying as Darth Vader
RVS vote on DV
god there isnt much here...
Neutral I guess
Grape
Well for one, him and Fuwa are never scum together
lots of posts about being busy... pretty OoG, would push this
but lurker Grape is probably scum Grape
not enough posts imo to say anything
Neutral as well
Vez
town reads Osie/Vaimes/Dv
never scum with Tom...
ya nothing really here either
Neutral
Anak
uggh, I dont care for all these lurkers...
idk, neutral also?
Fuwa
like stated before, special case, will keep in eye on her
Tubba
literally nothing here
one lurker is always scum tho
Neutral/Scum
done for the night, most of the stuff in this post are bs reads... compared to my larger post above... so dont quote me on these
I thought you said you liked me, and now I am lower than kpaca? o-0
Wuffles
roleplaying as Darth Vader
RVS vote on DV
god there isnt much here...
Neutral I guess
Grape
Well for one, him and Fuwa are never scum together
lots of posts about being busy... pretty OoG, would push this
but lurker Grape is probably scum Grape
not enough posts imo to say anything
Neutral as well
Vez
town reads Osie/Vaimes/Dv
never scum with Tom...
ya nothing really here either
Neutral
Anak
uggh, I dont care for all these lurkers...
idk, neutral also?
Fuwa
like stated before, special case, will keep in eye on her
Tubba
literally nothing here
one lurker is always scum tho
Neutral/Scum
done for the night, most of the stuff in this post are bs reads... compared to my larger post above... so dont quote me on these
I thought you said you liked me, and now I am lower than kpaca? o-0
i forgot to edit this post... I was writing it will talking in the thread
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You don't think post such as 585 right after he got called out are him attempting to not look that way?
Also how is he higher than other people. At best, hes slightly town. Not more than me or Osie.
I'm not remotely convinced Osie is town. Why do you have him so high? As for you I've like what you've come back with recently and I like your push to get everyone to commit to reads, but I felt Vaimes came out of your slapfight much townier. And you're someone I can't read well. The only game I've ever had a confident read on you in was Disinheritance and an unofficial spectator and that was as much about tom as it was about you. Also you insisting to me that you should be a higher town read is giving me pause. You're nowhere near the Rod/Vaimes level for me.
And I don't see anything wrong with 585. It's lacking guile in the game way the rests of his posts are. Even in a read wall I don't agree with where he votes a neutral read over two scum leans I don't see him as pushing the game in any particular direction. If Fuwa were to flip scum (which she probably will) I'd reevaluate him because his read on her is soft as, but without that association he reads incredibly purely to me.
Doesn't AA-Dona just lurk in all games always?
It really feels to me like your list is 100% made up.
You've basically got all of the lurkers in the bottom half of your list and all of the high posters in the top half except for kpaca, who hasn't really given much content yet.
You've got people like Tubba low for some reason.
Why is GJ so low on your list? This almost feels like you just saw others were scum reading him and put him there.
Your Fuwa read is contrived as well, but I guess I'll just wait for you to make an actual case on them.
I haven't played with Dono/Fuwa in ages (at least a year, probably longer) so take this with a grain of salt but I don't think she's a lurker, nor is my case on her that she is lurking.
As for having lurkers low GJ and Kpaca are both in the scum leans section and they are relatively medium to high posters. When you say I have Tubba low did you miss that right before his name I had null? I put more spaces on the town read side because I'm much more confident in my town reads than my scum reads this game. And yes this goes back to my tom being town case being strong. I really believe he's town here. And I can point you to many. In whichever off the grid were were scum together in he was leading the town and managed to paint Rhand as the town leader that the new to MTGS player distrusted for being leader. In Bare Bones his entire play was full of guile. It wasn't necessarily scummy but he was pushing narratives (Silver as scum for instance). In Revolution Mafia he got caught D1 for "guile" in his push on Huntz if I'm remembering correctly. Tom is a player who has his hands on the scale often. And as both alignments. He is completely divorced from it this game. Which I think makes him town.
GJ is in fact a sheep like you guessed. Enough people I trust expressed suspicion there that I'm intrigued. Wuffles is basically the same read combined with the fact that the RP felt early on like an active lurking excuse.
And how is Wuffles contrived? Have you not read my repeated points? She made a super bandwagon vote on Vaimes and had some incredibly weakly supported town reads. The evidence she pointed to for town reading me was utterly Nai.
Maybe not multiple games with you in them, but wisp pointed out other DV games where he was town and acting the same. Tbh I don't know why he hasn't been put on probation by now if this is his normal MO tho. :/
You realize posts like this are antagonistic right?
You realize I'm upset because we have a player game throwing right?
Should I sit by meekly while another player passive aggressively makes snide comments? After reading friends and enemies Vaimes basically pulled the same shtick there as well. Should vaimes be placed on probation as well?
You ignore posts such as 734, yet criticize me for every post I make. I guess I'm just the bad guy because I'm willing to call people out on this. But really at the end of the day its ok for you to make snide remarks such as this right? But I'm the problem because I use swear words.
Yes, I realize my posts are antagonistic to the extent that I am telling you that I am not happy with the way you are playing this game on a personal level.
You are the only person who thinks "that player is game throwing" (unless I'm mistaken - correct me if I'm wrong)
No, you shouldn't sit by meekly against people who are making passive aggressive comments to you without justification - that's *****ty and also not cool. However, my posts to you have been pretty damn clear - I openly, actively think if you play like this all the time even after it is obvious that you are driving players away and have been told by a mod to cool it (bur I believe it was?), that you should be clearly and up-front told that your playstyles needs to change or you need to be punished for it.
Look man, when people were getting aggro in Arkham at you I was the first to defend you and tell them to stop, because nobody should be speaking to anyone like that. But adhom is not a cool way to play this game and that isn't me being passive aggressive that's me being straight up with you about ho your posting is getting too personal.
Kami might be out of line for musing that you are doing this specifically to stop people posting (please cut that ***** out, Kami - that isn't a fair question to ask) but like if you weren't posting in such a no-fun-allowed way, he wouldn't have that ammunition, y'know?
Yes, I think that people who lose their cool like you have been should be put on probation if it is a demonstrable pattern of literally causing people to not want to post or read entire sections of a game.
Yes, I think if anyone, Vaimes included, has consistently over multiple games been as openly hostile as you have been this game then that behavior needs to be moderated.
I'm sorry to everyone else in the thread for this post btw. This has nothing to do with DV being scum or town. I just wanted to respond clearly with my thoughts on no-fun-allowed posting styles and why they are not ok.
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You haven't taken an active voice in this game. Like at all. I am not expecting you to be the leader running the show, but at least show somewhat in this game.
Pretend Vaimes won't ever happen, who are your next two highest wolf reads?
Where are your reads?
How do you feel about voting behind tom?
I didn't think it was a motivation, more so a lack of care of my wagon, and what direction it goes. If I get lynched, great now he helped, and likely won't be looked at over people more actively pushing me. If I don't get lynched, no harm no foul. It just didn't feel like he was genuine about his wolf read on me.
He is at least posting a ton now, and seems to be game solving so I could potentially just be biased because voting me. I would put him as a tier 3 town read right now.
I am trying to follow this Kami mindset, and while I am getting a heachache trying to follow it, I don't think it's scummy. Why would scumKami try so hard to push someone being consistently town read past at least a few people questioning that? Like, I guess there is some strange world where DV/Kami/Osierb wolf world of tinfoil exists, but that feels really weird for him. Kami is clearly frustrated, but I don't think it's wolf frustration. It feels more like town frustration that thinks he has something, but is unwilling to consider he is wrong.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
ask Wuffles, since he spent all of Token Mafia scum reading Tom, and Tom was town, and Wuffles was scum, and the whole push was so agenda based, and tahts what this feels like
I don't like this. There are people in this game I think can be easy targets. DV is certainly not one I would put at the top of the list.
@DV Tier 1 being strong reads, lower tier being more and more leans
Tier 1 town
GJ
DV
Tier 2 town
Vaimes
Rodemy
Tier 3 town
Osierorb
Kami
Grapefruit
Dan
Vezok
Tier 1 Wolf
None
Tier 2 Wolf
Anak
LW
Fuwa
Tier 3 Wolf
Kpaca
Tom
Tubba Fett
Wuffles
I don't have anyone I have a super strong read on wolf wise. I tried to make up for it with my new style of just never having null reads. I feel like it is a strong exercise that forces you to try and take something that makes someone town or wolf and commit to it (yes, I am aware there are not 6 wolves). Wuffles/Tom/Vezok would probably be my true null. Wuffles doesn't feel active voice, and tom still feels off. I remember town games with town where he annoyed the ***** out of me, and even as he played longer, and on MU, he still had a spark in his tone I am just not senseing here. Vezok was just out of my nulls, probably the least wolfy person there hence his spot.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
:/
I am trying to solve my conflict. I don't like Wuffles, but I am not a huge fan of you or tom so clearly I am wrong somewhere.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
also why even put a Level 1 Wolf: section if its empty... makes the reads seem fake...
I still need to get through my reread of wuffles
Tom will stay neutral for now
Kpaca is actually low end neutral towards scum for me, I am glad someone else is sick of his *****
Anak I need to reread
Fuwa, well shes a special case, and I will have my eyes on her
and Tubba has literally no posts, so hes at the bottom just for lurking, Im done with lurkers...
and me? well I'm town lol
KamikazeArchon - 3 (Tomsloger, Lastwhisper, Anaklusmos)
D_V - 2 (Wuffles_II, KamikazeArchon)
Vaimes - 2 (Kpaca, Fuwa)
Tomsloger - 2 (Vaimes, Osieorb18)
Gentleman Johnny - 1 (D_V)
Wuffles_II - 1 (vezokpiraka)
Lastwhisper - 1 (Rodemy)
Not Voting - 4 (Tubba Fett, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21, ganderin_dan)
kpaca has been prodded.
(With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch)
Day 1 ends on July 3rd at 2000 Mountain time.
Tubba
do I know you?
Just trying to push content out at this point because I'm feeling really bad about not posting this game so here's a dump with a reads list at the bottom.
Alright, so, the reason why I'm taking so long to post content here is because I keep getting in my re-reads to the parts where Vaimes and D_V are going at it (like srsly just **** already. Gawd. ) and then just stop reading in disgust. Mostly because of D_V. My only regret is that being an ******** is not necessarily a scumtell. So, sorry if there's any major scumtells that could win the game, but I'm not reading pages 3-10 ever again. It just de-motivates me and that's bad.
So, I'm reading from Post 500 to ignore the slap-fight. Some of these are notes for later to do ISO's on people that raise my heckles. Here's what I've got, taking live notes from reading straight from 500 till current.
Ganderin_Dan - #511. Read Rodemy's post re tunnelling tom. Read G_D's ISO.
- Iso Tom, as his posts have been thoroughly without impact this game similarly to Arkham.
Rodemy - Unsure if he's jumping on the "D_V needs to take a nap" train late and faking emotion or not. His #531 is bad. D_V pointed out towngames he's played with rodemy recently which they were both town in.
Wisp - Seems townie enough so far, and kinda drunk. He's not going all-in yet which seems different to his previous games I've played with him, so he's still on my radar for now.
#751 eyyyyyy A.D.D. bros! I was diagnosed three weeks before Arkham started.
His posts #577 and #655 - hahahahahahahahahahahah, okay those posts made my day. (Wisp is salty AF that Grape and I rekt him so hard in the last micro, which I don't blame him for - but what he probably doesn't know is that micro was actually my first ever scum victory in like 25+ games of mafia.
@Osie - Osie's posts this game have been excellent. Inquisitive, not jumping to conclusions, and legitimately trying to prod people for content. He's spewing town to me right now. However, I'm mad at him because I came into this game expecting to see the trademark Osie flailing and instead am just getting good, sensible reads from him.
I particularly like him in #525 where he calls me a cheeky person. *****, he's got my meta down! Must come from running both of the first two games I've played in here since my triumphant reappearance on MTGS. He can confirm that I am cheeky as **** as both town (I tried SO HARD to get information from him and D_V during Arkham, and, well, he saw the balls on me during the micro game that Grape and I clean-swept.) So yeah, can confirm, am cheeky. However, I was not pocketing Vaimes for any reasons to do with this game; if anything I think that is a terrible idea considering how easily he was baited by D_V during their initial slapfight. I had literally just finished reading the barebones game that he and Silvercrys saved from a very dominant Tomsloger led mafia by needing to LyLo lynch 3 mafia members in a row in order to win...and doing it. I wanted to handshake him and ask for an autograph as this was my first time interacting with him, nothing more.
Also, ayyyy 12 Grumpy men reference yeaaahhhh *captain america voice* I understood that reference!
@Osie #653 - K_A, Tomsloger seem scummy. Grape is a maybe since he hasn't really been posting. Fuwa is basically 100% fluff so no read. Vezok seems typically self-assured vezok town. G_J Idk, seems a bit more townie to me than not currently?
Vezok - I reiterate as I did during the last micro that Vezok is a gut-reader player. As long as he is confident and stubborn in his reads I have no interest in pursuing him which is currently the case.
#663 It really isn't a good reason for voting wuffles. This post is the first time wuffles has posted actual content. Wuffles lurking and not posting content is the only good reason for voting wuffles because frankly I haven't pushed anything or anyone because I'm generally pretty lost D1 before mechanics/flips happen. :/
#688 is maybe okay? Like it sounds like he's wondering who fits and I've not posted anything useful yet so...okay, I guess.
#705 is totally on-point.
Tom - Well, I went all-in on Tom last time I was scum. However, his posts here seem pretty non-committal. In the one game I've played with TownTom, he was aggressive, confident, and brash. He was confident in his reads and was openly contemptuous of people that scumread him. I haven't seen any of that so far this game from him, but he IS seeming much more like ScumTom from Arkham so far. Staying under the radar, low-key using him Tomness(tm) to avoid posting actual content. A good example of this is his recent vote on K_A with no reason or explanation. A post which votes and nothing else is generall a scumtell, especially on D1, especially on a wagon that is just starting to gain momentum. Also LOL at voting me in 585. You really seem like you're jumping on every bandwagon to see what sticks rather than out of any actual conviction. I think this is a good place to go, even though he totally didn't try to lynch wisp yet, but KA first. That no-reason vote on KA #714, tho... >:(
Fuwa has been 100% unremarkable this game. Her posts are totally meh. Does anyone have any reference to her other games? Is this a scumtell or towntell? I ask because I'd like to figure out if that wagon's worth it or not. 10/10 would also get baited into games just to play more games with Grape, though. <3 And yes, my avatar is ******* adorable. I'm more of a pet-owner than a pet, though I do like my belly being rubbed and my friends always tell me my hair is very soft .
Grapefruit - I haven't seen much of substance so far except for his push on Fuwa, which seems okay, considering Fuwa's lack of substance.
D_V's post 576 and 579 are great - But my vote on you is a random vote, son, which you already noticed from the fact that I've voted nobody else this game so ??? to using it as ammunition?. I didn't realize it was still there. And frankly, I'm super disappointed in your posting this game so far - you're literally the reason why my participation has been crap all game so far. But I'm over it now and posting.
His #690, though - there is no ******* way you have enough reason to believe that of me lol. I haven't given you enough reason to think so either way. #badposting
#725 JESUS CHRIST D_V STOP WITH THE ADHOM OR I'M GOING TO ASK THAT YOU BE PUT ON THE RESTRICTED LIST. JFC. UNNECESSARY.
Vaimes - Oh man. I have no freaking idea on Vaimes. I, uh... liked his play in barebones? I did like his #581, though. He's consistently maintained that D_V is town despite EVERYTHING and I buy that. I think Vaimes has more reason than anyone to be butthurt over the way D_V ripped into him so if he says D_V is town, I buy it - at least for now. Inb4 this was the scum gambit of a lifetime and they're actually W/W and we've already lost.
His #600 calling out Tom for not trying to solve D1 because everyone's alive is weird, though. Like there's no way for anyone who isn't mafia (and therefore knows everyone else who isn't) to solve at this stage, unless mafia reallllly screw up and irrevocably tie themselves together? Not sure if scum post or just dumb post. Distancing maybe?
#665 Yup, I'm of the same opinion on the "meh, let's vote wuffles" wagon that's appearing. I literally haven't posted enough real content either way to be read yet imo.
Gentleman Johnny - Okay so I hate his playstyle already. He seems pretty arrogant and dismissive and that rubs me the wrong way. with that in mind, I like his #622 on tunnelling D1. He's right, when there's nothing except playstyle and posting (i.e. no flips or mechanics) to go off, you hunt as best you can. +town for that one.
K_A - "And how could you know who the whole town is" is a really bad response to D_V's attempt to get people like me to post content. with every player alive I think it's kind of obvious that D_V isn't saying that he is going to identify who all of the townies making lists ARE, so much as "there are probably 12 townies here, so compiling the reads of 12 honest players and 4 (or so? IDK) non-town ones still has use as we still get a 75% honest reads list (assuming townies have no reason to lie, which in a normal I have no reason to suspect otherwise for). This post seems dense and an attempt to discredit a player whose idea is not a bad one. -town.
His #712 is particularly bad. His interaction with Vaimes was total cancer, but like he didn't come off as scummy per say, so much as an ********.
Wisp has already pointed out games of D_V's where he is town and playing the exact same way. D_V META SCUMREADS ARE JUST BAD. AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD.
Meh, maybe lynching aggressive/controversial players isn't the worst play, especially if it causes people to literally not want to post as a result, but...in general this point is bad.
Policy lynches on antagonistic players are bad. I've seriously considered them in this game, but they're just bad. Antagonistic =/= scum. Look at Tom's game in the micro that just finished. He was pretty dismissive and antagonistic and also totally town. Vote KamikazeArchon.
#737 - that's absolutely true, but you don't get to ride a high-horse there because you were inactive to the point that pushing you was child's play. To be taken seriously, please insert two participation coins to continue. (I do understand the irony here based on my play so far this game though, which is why I don't blame people for voting me thus far)
Scum reads:
Tom, K_A.
Maybe Fuwa based on lack of posting useful stuff.
Strong town reads:
Osie
Vezok
Everyone else is kinda meh so far. Leaning town on D_V and Vaimes.
Unvote, vote Lastwhisper
I made that list in 5 minutes, and I couldn't remember all 16 players in my first go. I don't know, just something I do. If I really wanted to fake it, I could have just moved any person on the other list and marked them as a top wolf read. I don't know why if you think my list is fake, the blank tier 1 is your smoking gun.
I don't know if Kpaca is a wolf or not, but I almost want to just move anyone who has him as a lean town read to my wolf list. The guy has done nothing.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
also, I can scum read someone for anything I want, and call ur votes *****, thats how I live my life
That's not how this game works. Back up your read on kpaca and when you decided you were "sick of his *****."
1). Busing is a lot rarer on MU
2). People care a lot more about votes outside of lyol.
Mostly to point 1, but it's why I have such a hard time finding a vote for a wolf read if another wolf read is on them. That wagon list is ***** though. So Vote Tom
The GJ way path to no lynching:
hmm I remember when Osie thought that post was me admitting scum with, ohh look how the tables have turned.
Cant actually recall what I was thinking at the time I made that post... so cant really tell you
but im rereading everyone, and I realized that kpaca hasnt made like any game solving posts, mostly just fluff, and acting like a lost adult
And i dont even remember him being in it. That should say something as well.
Where the hell did you get multiple games?
This is like d_v saying i always scumread him when he's scum.
And i dont even remember him being in it. That should say something as well.
Where the hell did you get multiple games?
This is like d_v saying i always scumread him when he's scum.
Was not recent
Grape
Rod/Dan
Vaimes
tom
Osie/Wisp/DV/KA
null/Tubba/Anak/Vez
GJ/Kpaca
Wuffles
Fuwa
Scum
Doesnt know any acronyms
Dont think hes faining ignorance
mostly fluff so far
thinks DV is town, ok with votes on GJ
says that Vaimes is scum, thats make poop posts
snarky is his replies to vaimes
Grape made a poop post also apparently
states hes been scum hunting? but dont really see it?
Final Notes: somewhat fluffy, tonally he sounds townie, hasnt done much scum hunting
I would put him at the lower end of neutral
Osie
Reads list was weird for a 3rd post, but dont think its scummy at all
Probably only one between Dan/Osie can be mafia, or none, who knows
overfriendly and fluffy (at some points)
doesnt like GJ or Dan
his reads are progressing, which I like, and hes actually scum hunting
Town Lean
Rodemy
comes in on page 4, rvs on Tom, quoted vaimes for his first post (probably means nothing)
post was also really fluffy
large catch up post, doesnt agree with scum reads on Vaimes, asks Vez why he scum reads Tom
while shading Vez's ability to read people
says kpaca is weird?
votes Osie, because idk...
wants to tunnel Tom, while questioning why Vez is voting Tom...
@Rodemy I scum read people for buddying all the time, if you dont want to join my scum reads
then give me a decent reason of my why scum read is bad
scum reads DV
strongly disagrees on voting GJ, possible W/W
also his post about the town games meaning nothing was weird
the typical "**** it unvote" haha and his gambit was bad
Scummiest of Scum right here
GJ
Early fluff
Calls Osies List wolfy
calls vezok/Wuffles both town
thinks tom is tame, aka wolf
tells dv to lynch him, brings OoG into into the game
calls me a sheep, the audacity... or wolves with DV for thinking DVs anger is town or nai
at ******* best
gets angry so quickly... again with the OoG
bad strawman
so mean :'(
gets a couple scum reads then doesnt wanna play? bad AtE
nothing useful
Scumlean
Tom
Nope
Neutral
Kami
No more than one scum exists in DV/Vaimes/g_d. states that the rest are setting back letting
this happen? (no idea where this comes from)
Idk much bout g_d since I havent gotten to his iso, but like I said, DV/Vaimes can be town
@Kami is it possible that none of them are scum? and why did you add g_d to this list?
I wasn't scumreading him until just now, but he's awfully concerned about people scumreading him, so now I am kind of scumreading him. wait we agree on something
@DV you maybe able to reads GJ's agressive tone, but to be it feels flaily
@Kami I just cant follow ur reasoning in post #512, cause ive seen the complete opposite...
which means in my case its also NAI, this push on DV jsut looks so agenda based
and you say its not a meta read? but I dont see it
well at least you dropped DV
still dont know wht to think of your tone this game...
I guess, as of right now, u just seeem like scum that stop pushing
a case u couldnt push so
light scum read
Dan
abstaining from rvs was kinda weird? idk why he had to make a post about it
dont get how he ended RVS with that vote on Osie with literally no explanation
#129 was a weird post
#136 I like this post
some posts just feel there for the sake of posting
but most of his posts are him asking questions and solving?
town lean
Why are you townreading tom?
And how the hell is he higher than me or Osie?
Thanks for asking, a few things first I like this progression despite not agreeing with it at all:
I also like his back and forth with Rod in 649.
But mostly I don't think scum!tom sticks to a lurking strategy when momentum starts to build against him. In my experience on of his strongest skills is having his finger on the pulse of game flow and while maybe it's the real life getting in the way I don't feel like this is scum!tom trying to manipulate the thread at all. He's been a non presence.
TLDR he had a nice progression on Dan I didn't agree with and he has a lack of scum anything this game.
You realize posts like this are antagonistic right?
You realize I'm upset because we have a player game throwing right?
Should I sit by meekly while another player passive aggressively makes snide comments? After reading friends and enemies Vaimes basically pulled the same shtick there as well. Should vaimes be placed on probation as well?
You ignore posts such as 734, yet criticize me for every post I make. I guess I'm just the bad guy because I'm willing to call people out on this. But really at the end of the day its ok for you to make snide remarks such as this right? But I'm the problem because I use swear words.
You don't think post such as 585 right after he got called out are him attempting to not look that way?
Also how is he higher than other people. At best, hes slightly town. Not more than me or Osie.
roleplaying as Darth Vader
RVS vote on DV
god there isnt much here...
Neutral I guess
Grape
Well for one, him and Fuwa are never scum together
lots of posts about being busy... pretty OoG, would push this
but lurker Grape is probably scum Grape
not enough posts imo to say anything
Neutral as well
Vez
town reads Osie/Vaimes/Dv
never scum with Tom...
ya nothing really here either
Neutral
Anak
uggh, I dont care for all these lurkers...
idk, neutral also?
Fuwa
like stated before, special case, will keep in eye on her
Tubba
literally nothing here
one lurker is always scum tho
Neutral/Scum
done for the night, most of the stuff in this post are bs reads... compared to my larger post above... so dont quote me on these
I'm not remotely convinced Osie is town. Why do you have him so high? As for you I've like what you've come back with recently and I like your push to get everyone to commit to reads, but I felt Vaimes came out of your slapfight much townier. And you're someone I can't read well. The only game I've ever had a confident read on you in was Disinheritance and an unofficial spectator and that was as much about tom as it was about you. Also you insisting to me that you should be a higher town read is giving me pause. You're nowhere near the Rod/Vaimes level for me.
And I don't see anything wrong with 585. It's lacking guile in the game way the rests of his posts are. Even in a read wall I don't agree with where he votes a neutral read over two scum leans I don't see him as pushing the game in any particular direction. If Fuwa were to flip scum (which she probably will) I'd reevaluate him because his read on her is soft as, but without that association he reads incredibly purely to me.
Doesn't AA-Dona just lurk in all games always?
It really feels to me like your list is 100% made up.
You've basically got all of the lurkers in the bottom half of your list and all of the high posters in the top half except for kpaca, who hasn't really given much content yet.
You've got people like Tubba low for some reason.
Why is GJ so low on your list? This almost feels like you just saw others were scum reading him and put him there.
Your Fuwa read is contrived as well, but I guess I'll just wait for you to make an actual case on them.
Ugh.
Wait also.
Can you show me one post from a scum Tom game that had "Guile".
I thought you said you liked me, and now I am lower than kpaca? o-0
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Rodemy
Kpaca
Kami
Fuwa
Tubba
I don't think so, I don't recognize the name.
I mentioned you with a question about where you'd rank D_V and why.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I haven't played with Dono/Fuwa in ages (at least a year, probably longer) so take this with a grain of salt but I don't think she's a lurker, nor is my case on her that she is lurking.
As for having lurkers low GJ and Kpaca are both in the scum leans section and they are relatively medium to high posters. When you say I have Tubba low did you miss that right before his name I had null? I put more spaces on the town read side because I'm much more confident in my town reads than my scum reads this game. And yes this goes back to my tom being town case being strong. I really believe he's town here. And I can point you to many. In whichever off the grid were were scum together in he was leading the town and managed to paint Rhand as the town leader that the new to MTGS player distrusted for being leader. In Bare Bones his entire play was full of guile. It wasn't necessarily scummy but he was pushing narratives (Silver as scum for instance). In Revolution Mafia he got caught D1 for "guile" in his push on Huntz if I'm remembering correctly. Tom is a player who has his hands on the scale often. And as both alignments. He is completely divorced from it this game. Which I think makes him town.
GJ is in fact a sheep like you guessed. Enough people I trust expressed suspicion there that I'm intrigued. Wuffles is basically the same read combined with the fact that the RP felt early on like an active lurking excuse.
And how is Wuffles contrived? Have you not read my repeated points? She made a super bandwagon vote on Vaimes and had some incredibly weakly supported town reads. The evidence she pointed to for town reading me was utterly Nai.
Well I figured you never vote there today, with the way you'd been talking about him. I guess I was more interested in the "why"?
You are the only person who thinks "that player is game throwing" (unless I'm mistaken - correct me if I'm wrong)
No, you shouldn't sit by meekly against people who are making passive aggressive comments to you without justification - that's *****ty and also not cool. However, my posts to you have been pretty damn clear - I openly, actively think if you play like this all the time even after it is obvious that you are driving players away and have been told by a mod to cool it (bur I believe it was?), that you should be clearly and up-front told that your playstyles needs to change or you need to be punished for it.
Look man, when people were getting aggro in Arkham at you I was the first to defend you and tell them to stop, because nobody should be speaking to anyone like that. But adhom is not a cool way to play this game and that isn't me being passive aggressive that's me being straight up with you about ho your posting is getting too personal.
Kami might be out of line for musing that you are doing this specifically to stop people posting (please cut that ***** out, Kami - that isn't a fair question to ask) but like if you weren't posting in such a no-fun-allowed way, he wouldn't have that ammunition, y'know?
Yes, I think that people who lose their cool like you have been should be put on probation if it is a demonstrable pattern of literally causing people to not want to post or read entire sections of a game.
Yes, I think if anyone, Vaimes included, has consistently over multiple games been as openly hostile as you have been this game then that behavior needs to be moderated.
I'm sorry to everyone else in the thread for this post btw. This has nothing to do with DV being scum or town. I just wanted to respond clearly with my thoughts on no-fun-allowed posting styles and why they are not ok.