Also yes I am now side-eyeing Manasi for general UTR-ness as well as not really believing her own reads.
It's not UTR-ness I'm legit just busy and cba to post if nothing much has happened until I had some ******* revelation that I could probably reread a bit and just solve it.
I believed it a lot when I wrote them down but taking random paper notes and translating them into things other people understand made me doubt myself a little. Don't tinfoil on me I'll OMGUS the ***** out of you kid.
I am definitely tinfoiling you.
And you can't really get mad at other people when your CBA-ness gets you lynched because they can't Get There on your alignment.
Why did you vote Kami, and then move to Grape a second later? Do you think they are the exact team? Did you mean to put Grape at L-1, or do you not care if someone hammers?
AFTER rereading kpaca and tom, sorry for quadruple posting but it's important people don't just toss out names and then go "oops" when someone else points out an interaction that makes the pairing unlikely
I have a pretty set POE in my head of it being in those three, and I thought that it really wouldn't matter who goes first because lord knows if I have any sort of concept of how many mislynches we still have or whatever. Figuring out of that I would have probably gone Kami/GJ but I really have no preference within those three where we even start lelelelel. I had no idea that was close to a hammer given the uh, lack of votecounts etc.
Reading through my argument with DV over tom one more time then going to read through Kpaca and tom and add my two cents. Poke me if you want to chat about anything.
Okay rereading DV's debate with me about tom starting roughly here and continuing through to about here is not bussing. It just never is. Especially considering his later reads being heavily pushing both tom and Kpaca as scum. Given their otherwise decently town read position he had no need to go for the double bus. Pages 6-8 and Dota is always town here.
Also @DV I really struggled to play nicely with you this game but reading your ISO this post deserves applause. It's a high effort post that is taking something you directly wanted to work on after arkham and trying to apply it.
KA is never scum, tom was pushing him like a needed mislynch not like a buddy he was wanting credit for.
I'm no longer convinced either way on Mansi. In a quick look tom's push on Dan could easily have been a buddy push. And the gameshow banter thing could have been intentionally cryptic to sound plausible while not being convincing.
Vaimes is probably reasonably clear after all. He's not in the KA/Dota camp but he's above everyone else. I think my paranoia was coming from his push on me, but looking back I can see why he made it. I'm a complete wet paper bag this game and he's recently seen me be much better than this. So the push makes sense.
I'm reasonably convinced there are 2 scum in Rod/GJ/Mansi. If there is one outside that it's Vaimes but I'm a bit agnostic there. I think GJ is my preferred lynch today but his posting has actually been good today.
KA is never scum, tom was pushing him like a needed mislynch not like a buddy he was wanting credit for.
I'm no longer convinced either way on Mansi. In a quick look tom's push on Dan could easily have been a buddy push. And the gameshow banter thing could have been intentionally cryptic to sound plausible while not being convincing.
Vaimes is probably reasonably clear after all. He's not in the KA/Dota camp but he's above everyone else. I think my paranoia was coming from his push on me, but looking back I can see why he made it. I'm a complete wet paper bag this game and he's recently seen me be much better than this. So the push makes sense.
I'm reasonably convinced there are 2 scum in Rod/GJ/Mansi. If there is one outside that it's Vaimes but I'm a bit agnostic there. I think GJ is my preferred lynch today but his posting has actually been good today.
tom was under constant suspicion, where as kpaca was comfortably being town read by the majority of the game. I think tom was more likely to busey and distancing, versus kpaca who was more pushy with his "wolf reads". Saying kami is never a wolf here is pretty short sided.
I actually forgot dota was still in this game. Slot was already pretty clear, with kpaca interactions making it more likely town afterwards.
That kami post onto me was pretty ******* slimy though. Voted me, called me a liar, then immediately backed off and tried to change the goalposts.
As far as lists go, here is what I am staring at right now, stil pre-reread
Town
John
Vaimes
Dota
Potential Wolves
Rodemy (independently wolfy. Never a strong presence throughout the game)
Manasi (slight tinfoil that's been getting larger, but is never a wolf if grape is town)
Grape (lack of kpaca interaction on kp's end, but has had some relatively solid posts throughout the game. Some eh posts too)
Kami (independently wolfy, had some good tone moments early game, but significantly worse last couple of days)
Ranking order probably still the same: Rodemy > Kami > Grape.
I understand my presence has been lacking. Alot has to do with personal ***** with my ex girlfriend. Other to do with the *****storm with dv. Im trying here with what i can.
Lynch me if you want, but please lynch grape or kami toMorrow. I really could use a win.
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I've been rereading Grape's ISO and I'm talking myself out of my scumread of him.Does the discussion between Grape and D_V about tom where Grape defends tom as a townread make sense if they were partners? I realised now on a second readthrough that I made an error in my assessment of Grape's readslist. Tom wasn't in the middle of the pack but was in his townpile, so Grape defending him wasn't at odds with where he was on the list. I'm probably just overthinking things here, my gut says this is scum!Grape(and it was right about tom so...).
I've been rereading Grape's ISO and I'm talking myself out of my scumread of him.Does the discussion between Grape and D_V about tom where Grape defends tom as a townread make sense if they were partners? I realised now on a second readthrough that I made an error in my assessment of Grape's readslist. Tom wasn't in the middle of the pack but was in his townpile, so Grape defending him wasn't at odds with where he was on the list. I'm probably just overthinking things here, my gut says this is scum!Grape(and it was right about tom so...).
What is the point of this post DoTA?
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@GJ go read the way tom consistently pushed Kami as the best lynch and compare it to his push on Dan. The former is so much more likely to be scum pushing town.
I'll admit I haven't read Kpaca on KA but I'll try and take a look at work.
KA is never scum, tom was pushing him like a needed mislynch not like a buddy he was wanting credit for.
I'm no longer convinced either way on Mansi. In a quick look tom's push on Dan could easily have been a buddy push. And the gameshow banter thing could have been intentionally cryptic to sound plausible while not being convincing.
Vaimes is probably reasonably clear after all. He's not in the KA/Dota camp but he's above everyone else. I think my paranoia was coming from his push on me, but looking back I can see why he made it. I'm a complete wet paper bag this game and he's recently seen me be much better than this. So the push makes sense.
I'm reasonably convinced there are 2 scum in Rod/GJ/Mansi. If there is one outside that it's Vaimes but I'm a bit agnostic there. I think GJ is my preferred lynch today but his posting has actually been good today.
tom was under constant suspicion, where as kpaca was comfortably being town read by the majority of the game. I think tom was more likely to busey and distancing, versus kpaca who was more pushy with his "wolf reads". Saying kami is never a wolf here is pretty short sided.
I actually forgot dota was still in this game. Slot was already pretty clear, with kpaca interactions making it more likely town afterwards.
That kami post onto me was pretty ******* slimy though. Voted me, called me a liar, then immediately backed off and tried to change the goalposts.
Where did I back off? Pretty sure my vote is on you.
I sorta feel like I might be smelling what your stepping in here.
How sure are you with this vote?
Eh? 50/50 tossup between him and DoTA.
Also kinda wanna vote tom.
Can you talk about this some more Vaimes? I'm slowly realizing that you're probably super clear but I'm not following you on this. It got lost after the Wuffles claim and I want to know where it was heading and why.
Kpaca's complete lack of an agenda yesterday other than "argue with wisp" makes me think he was happy with the direction of the game. Which is further evidence of Kami being town in my book.
Rodemy thanks for open wolfing. Makes my life easier.
@Vaimes that makes sense. Not sure how I didn't put it together. Anyway that pretty much removes the niggling doubts I was having about you. I was reading that as building up to a track even as I knew that didn't make sense.
Also I just realized how bad my setup gaming has been. Having a vig + and night phase skipper makes no sense. They fill the same design space.
OK after rereading some of Arkham and then some other games of Grapes I'm tentatively moving him to town.
Two things: what changed your read on me? Does your Rod read focus entirely on his push on you? Because I'm basically just going to always town read him for his neighbor question.
Could be a leak on my end, but I tend to give town points to people who question other people's town read of themselves. Most wolves tend to just take the town read and move on.
He has a few other good posts that look like solving. My wolf foil on him is how buddy-buddy he was with tom and kpaca. A few of his other posts also rub me the wrong way.
Anyway glad people are finally seeing the light on Kpaca. Don't love a GJ lynch here either but I'm not really sold one way or another on him.
This was after a thunderdome between him and DV where he was arguing why I was getting town read by him, shading my contributions, but then hesitates when I start getting votes. In addition to the obv kpaca love, it just feels like he spent all this time arguing with DV about my alignment that when the chance to put a vote goes forward, he balks, almost as if he is trying to get some distance (like what kpaca did when vezok got lynched).
Anyway I think Kpaca is town, I don't have a strong read on Johnny but have him as lean scum because I completely disagree with his Tubba read. Don't think Tubs was notable in any direction except cringe this game.
Also don't like. Disagreeing with a read isn't a scum tell, unless you think the reason is manufactured.
Kpaca's complete lack of an agenda yesterday other than "argue with wisp" makes me think he was happy with the direction of the game. Which is further evidence of Kami being town in my book.
Both wisp and kpaca play a pretty strong antagonizing game, I really wouldn't consider that evidence. Apart from that, the focus of yesterday didn't really look towards kpaca. Here are the posts I could find with kpaca there. If anything, he seems more interested in you when vaimes points out his bluff/ability.
I sorta feel like I might be smelling what your stepping in here.
How sure are you with this vote?
For day 4, the only person who was voting kami based on 4.2 VC was you. After that, he seems ready to distance with tom, almost as if he thinks he got caught and wants to look good.
Consider my vote on tom when I see a vote count I’ll make it official. Yesterday there was that whole speed hammer thing going down and I’m on mobile and not really trying to go back and count votes.
I ignored the contest beween him and lw, but kpaca seemed interested in grape when vaimes said something, and that was with kpaca pushing vaimes pretty hard. I think I can see why manasi wanted to back off now that I reread. It felt like Kpaca had suspicioun vaimes had a role related catch (another mafia stereotype comes true XD). That said, his tone when it's grape feels excited like he is trying to get ahead of it (but if he knows vaimes is town here, and if grape is town, why does kpaca post that? He would know who was responsible for the kill. With tom, he just says "are you sure"? I don't know, but his reaction to vaimes feels far more lynch happy than his reaction to tom which is why I am really struggling to deal with grape. If I ignore this interaction entirely, I end up slightly leaning scum based on his other wolf interactions, but his posting feels decent.
Kami/Rodemy up soon. I might end up doing dan/manasi if I feel up for it.
Rodemy thanks for open wolfing. Makes my life easier.
@Vaimes that makes sense. Not sure how I didn't put it together. Anyway that pretty much removes the niggling doubts I was having about you. I was reading that as building up to a track even as I knew that didn't make sense.
Also I just realized how bad my setup gaming has been. Having a vig + and night phase skipper makes no sense. They fill the same design space.
What?
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@Rod: In answer to your question, I've was suspicious of Grape back when I first started scumreading Tom, but after rereading I realised that what I thought I'd caught was incorrect. Doesn't mean Grape is now suddenly town in my book but it's made me doubt my read which is not a great position to be in.
I now think GJ is town. Does Rod + Mansi work? The defending on this page feels too obvious but like nothing else makes sense.
Regardless Rods haste to end the day while shading me for questioning Vaimes reeks of scum. Plus tom was like super into my tstbs clear of him.
I don't think Manasi is a wolf if you are town, but this is just me repeating myself so shocker. Maybe I am just completely wrong here.
Also, I don't think you explained why you went from Rodemy was lock town, and what changed, apart from this recent apathy (he has been pretty consistent all game)
kpaca accused DV of being a Serial Killer, among other reasons, but this is the strongest imo.
Rod had that weird "lol Kami and Anak are Masons" thing, and posting that as scum out of nowhere would be ??? Seems much more of a scatterbrained, non-self-conscious town thing to do.
Don't think Grape/Kami exists. There was a weird self-meta interaction between them that would be suuuper weird if they were knowingly aligned.
That's all I have for the moment.
We will be lynching Grape toDay once people have said their piece.
@GJ my outlook completely changed with Kpaca and Tom's flips. I went from having dota and KA as moderate to likely scum to extremely town in very little time.
That made me reevaluate Rod who was cleared entirely by the Kami/Anak thing Vaimes mentioned. Still don't think he'd do it as scum but it makes more sense than you, Vaimes, Dota, or KA being scum to me right now.
Anyone pushing GJ as a wolf after the dive he just did on me is kidding themselves. I know it's easier to say that knowing my alignment and that we're not buddies, but when I flip do me a favor and don't say "Ohhh well GJ must be scum anyway." He could very easily have not done a dive that produced decent content suggesting I shouldn't be lynched while still not being sure but he did. The man is town here.
Rod is often erratic but here he is showing no paranoia which is the most constant staple of town rodemy. He is beyond convinced. Sure wanting to end things early isn't outside his town range but not expressing any worries about anything is.
Make it a golbat at it can be whoever you want
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I have a pretty set POE in my head of it being in those three, and I thought that it really wouldn't matter who goes first because lord knows if I have any sort of concept of how many mislynches we still have or whatever. Figuring out of that I would have probably gone Kami/GJ but I really have no preference within those three where we even start lelelelel. I had no idea that was close to a hammer given the uh, lack of votecounts etc.
Mansai not so much.
Grape is still number one in my book.
Gj is second
Kami is 3rd
Mansai is tied with 3rd.
Off to bed. Can't do amy big posts til the weekend. What do ya'll want from me?
Also @DV I really struggled to play nicely with you this game but reading your ISO this post deserves applause. It's a high effort post that is taking something you directly wanted to work on after arkham and trying to apply it.
KA is never scum, tom was pushing him like a needed mislynch not like a buddy he was wanting credit for.
I'm no longer convinced either way on Mansi. In a quick look tom's push on Dan could easily have been a buddy push. And the gameshow banter thing could have been intentionally cryptic to sound plausible while not being convincing.
Vaimes is probably reasonably clear after all. He's not in the KA/Dota camp but he's above everyone else. I think my paranoia was coming from his push on me, but looking back I can see why he made it. I'm a complete wet paper bag this game and he's recently seen me be much better than this. So the push makes sense.
I'm reasonably convinced there are 2 scum in Rod/GJ/Mansi. If there is one outside that it's Vaimes but I'm a bit agnostic there. I think GJ is my preferred lynch today but his posting has actually been good today.
Day 1 Final Votecount
Anaklusmos - 9 (tomsloger, Wuffles_II, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, osieorb18, Lastwhisper)
vezokpiraka - 6 (DoTArchon, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Vaimes, kpaca, Anaklusmos, Rodemy)
Wuffles_II - 1 (Ganderin_dan)
Day 2 Final Votecount
vezokpiraka - 8 (Rodemy, tomsloger, Fuwa, kpaca, Lastwhisper, KamikazeArchon, Vaimes, osieorb18)
Fuwa - 4 (Grapefruit21, DoTArchon, Manasi, Gentleman Johnny)
Grapefruit21 - 2 (Wuffles_II, vezokpiraka)
Not Voting - 1 (TheRealStinkyJoeTerry)
Day 3 Final Votecount
Scarlet Rage - 7 (Manasi, DoTArchon, Vaimes, Rodemy, kpaca, Lastwhisper, tomsloger)
tomsloger - 1 (Gentleman Johnny)
Rodemy - 1 (Wuffles_II)
Not Voting - 3 (Grapefruit21, Scarlet Rage, KamikazeArchon)
That D2 VC is telling though. Really think it points the finger at one of Rod/Vaimes.
Vote: Rod
Sorry for the multi posting. This time really done.
Grapefruit21 - 2 (Rodemy, Manasi)
Gentleman Johnny - 1 (KamikazeArchon)
Rodemy - 1 (Grapefruit21)
Not Voting - 3 (Gentleman Johnny, DoTArchon, Vaimes)
(With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch)
I will be assessing prods later today.
Day 5 ends on August 24th at 2000 Mountain time.
Kami was on both mislynches and off toms.
That's more telling than whateve4 you are trying to push...
vote kami
tom was under constant suspicion, where as kpaca was comfortably being town read by the majority of the game. I think tom was more likely to busey and distancing, versus kpaca who was more pushy with his "wolf reads". Saying kami is never a wolf here is pretty short sided.
I actually forgot dota was still in this game. Slot was already pretty clear, with kpaca interactions making it more likely town afterwards.
That kami post onto me was pretty ******* slimy though. Voted me, called me a liar, then immediately backed off and tried to change the goalposts.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Town
John
Vaimes
Dota
Potential Wolves
Rodemy (independently wolfy. Never a strong presence throughout the game)
Manasi (slight tinfoil that's been getting larger, but is never a wolf if grape is town)
Grape (lack of kpaca interaction on kp's end, but has had some relatively solid posts throughout the game. Some eh posts too)
Kami (independently wolfy, had some good tone moments early game, but significantly worse last couple of days)
Ranking order probably still the same: Rodemy > Kami > Grape.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Lynch me if you want, but please lynch grape or kami toMorrow. I really could use a win.
Welcome to the CNN: todays report of rodemy being town brought to you by Mansai.
Oh.. we just recieved word that cookies are raining from the sky. More at 11.
What is the point of this post DoTA?
I'll admit I haven't read Kpaca on KA but I'll try and take a look at work.
Can you talk about this some more Vaimes? I'm slowly realizing that you're probably super clear but I'm not following you on this. It got lost after the Wuffles claim and I want to know where it was heading and why.
I wanted to vote you, and as soon as I posted it I was like, "Man, it feels like DoTA doesn't exist in this game."
Also realized it was ~halfway through the game and I had absolutely no read on tom.
And scum most definitely have a roleblocker, because JT didn't save osie, whom he was strongly townreading.
Also yes very much what Rod said, poking at me is not going to help you find mafia and it looks s u s p i c i o u s.
I'm ready for the day to end. And tbh this gsme :/
@Vaimes that makes sense. Not sure how I didn't put it together. Anyway that pretty much removes the niggling doubts I was having about you. I was reading that as building up to a track even as I knew that didn't make sense.
Also I just realized how bad my setup gaming has been. Having a vig + and night phase skipper makes no sense. They fill the same design space.
Could be a leak on my end, but I tend to give town points to people who question other people's town read of themselves. Most wolves tend to just take the town read and move on.
He has a few other good posts that look like solving. My wolf foil on him is how buddy-buddy he was with tom and kpaca. A few of his other posts also rub me the wrong way.
This was after a thunderdome between him and DV where he was arguing why I was getting town read by him, shading my contributions, but then hesitates when I start getting votes. In addition to the obv kpaca love, it just feels like he spent all this time arguing with DV about my alignment that when the chance to put a vote goes forward, he balks, almost as if he is trying to get some distance (like what kpaca did when vezok got lynched).
Also don't like. Disagreeing with a read isn't a scum tell, unless you think the reason is manufactured.
CAn you explain what you meant by this, and if you still believe this (I am guessing not, based on your last post)?
Still more people to reread. Dota international started so I have been distracted as of late.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Both wisp and kpaca play a pretty strong antagonizing game, I really wouldn't consider that evidence. Apart from that, the focus of yesterday didn't really look towards kpaca. Here are the posts I could find with kpaca there. If anything, he seems more interested in you when vaimes points out his bluff/ability.
For day 4, the only person who was voting kami based on 4.2 VC was you. After that, he seems ready to distance with tom, almost as if he thinks he got caught and wants to look good.
I ignored the contest beween him and lw, but kpaca seemed interested in grape when vaimes said something, and that was with kpaca pushing vaimes pretty hard. I think I can see why manasi wanted to back off now that I reread. It felt like Kpaca had suspicioun vaimes had a role related catch (another mafia stereotype comes true XD). That said, his tone when it's grape feels excited like he is trying to get ahead of it (but if he knows vaimes is town here, and if grape is town, why does kpaca post that? He would know who was responsible for the kill. With tom, he just says "are you sure"? I don't know, but his reaction to vaimes feels far more lynch happy than his reaction to tom which is why I am really struggling to deal with grape. If I ignore this interaction entirely, I end up slightly leaning scum based on his other wolf interactions, but his posting feels decent.
Kami/Rodemy up soon. I might end up doing dan/manasi if I feel up for it.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
What?
Regardless Rods haste to end the day while shading me for questioning Vaimes reeks of scum. Plus tom was like super into my tstbs clear of him.
V/LA until next week Tuesday.
@Rod: In answer to your question, I've was suspicious of Grape back when I first started scumreading Tom, but after rereading I realised that what I thought I'd caught was incorrect. Doesn't mean Grape is now suddenly town in my book but it's made me doubt my read which is not a great position to be in.
My haste to end the day is out of pure boredom and desire to end this game and is very nai. But hey, keep pulling reasons out yer butt.
Are you reading the game????
Vaimes specifically stated why he unvoted...
Dota JUST said he's been busy.
And GJ.. is still reading i belive.
IF I can keep up with that, i am finding it hard to believe you cannot.
I don't really see a reason to vote at this stage. Consider my vote on you and Rodemy if you wish.
Kami, if you are wolf reading me this hard that you think I lied, why aren't you trying to court pressure towards me?
Rodemy, why don't you do you tell me what your ranking is for town to wolf and why.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I don't think Manasi is a wolf if you are town, but this is just me repeating myself so shocker. Maybe I am just completely wrong here.
Also, I don't think you explained why you went from Rodemy was lock town, and what changed, apart from this recent apathy (he has been pretty consistent all game)
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I WILL! Lemme do that.. on sunday?
I think not. Right now, top of your head.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
kpaca accused DV of being a Serial Killer, among other reasons, but this is the strongest imo.
Rod had that weird "lol Kami and Anak are Masons" thing, and posting that as scum out of nowhere would be ??? Seems much more of a scatterbrained, non-self-conscious town thing to do.
Don't think Grape/Kami exists. There was a weird self-meta interaction between them that would be suuuper weird if they were knowingly aligned.
That's all I have for the moment.
We will be lynching Grape toDay once people have said their piece.
That made me reevaluate Rod who was cleared entirely by the Kami/Anak thing Vaimes mentioned. Still don't think he'd do it as scum but it makes more sense than you, Vaimes, Dota, or KA being scum to me right now.
Lets lynchem and wiiiiiin.
Rod is often erratic but here he is showing no paranoia which is the most constant staple of town rodemy. He is beyond convinced. Sure wanting to end things early isn't outside his town range but not expressing any worries about anything is.
Grapefruit21 - 2 (Manasi, Rodemy)
Gentleman Johnny - 1 (KamikazeArchon)
Rodemy - 1 (Grapefruit21)
Not Voting - 3 (Gentleman Johnny, DoTArchon, Vaimes)
(With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch)
DoTArchon is V/LA until August 21st
Day 5 ends on August 24th at 2000 Mountain time.