@Kpaca
Uve been head ass on people for their claims, and pretty much pushed everyone that claimed alongside me, so why is ur PR any more important than theirs?
Did you or did you not stop the kill? This is ur ultimatum...
Lol
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Hmm Rodemy has a good point... and Kpaca is not saying what he did last night in fear of scum finding his abilities, which I wouldnt say Joat abilities are even that hard to pinned down...
I really wish we knew what happened to the night kill...
Rodemy
Tho, why do you think Tom should be dead?
it's Tom. Tom was the one that was unable to perform the nightkill.
Ohh so I've been pocketed all game by Tom and kpaca?
Lmao
The funny thing is I thought hard and long about this and even after my post yesterday I ****ed can't, if kpaca is town this game, then he is an just unfun player to play with...
@Kpaca
Uve been head ass on people for their claims, and pretty much pushed everyone that claimed alongside me, so why is ur PR any more important than theirs?
Did you or did you not stop the kill? This is ur ultimatum...
Lol
not the answer I wanted, u can die today... #nobrakes
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I'm going to Vote: Vaimes. I doubt the Vezok wagon on day 1 was clean, and I'm not yet convinced that Rod is scum which only leaves Vaimes (from my point of view). I don't think scum!Rod is bold enough to be the first to jump on a claimed tracker on D2, town!Rod would have reason to doubt the claim. Vaimes on D2 and D3 final vote counts also in spots often statistically populated by scum.
@KA you were early enough on both wagons that you moving to the counter wagon might have made a difference. I will say it looks worse for GJ than you but you don't look great.
@Wuffles tom might be scum here but I'm never lynching him today. Not while KA, Dota, and GJ are still around.
???
I guess you missed the mechanical implications, but Wuffles can correct me if I'm wrong about that.
Unvote, vote tomsloger
Guess we'll just have to lynch Grape a little later.
If Wuffles was hinting at mechanics I completely missed it. I'd rather have him confirm or deny before eating crow.
@Last, what's more likely, scum got two night kills on night one or kpaca is a joat as claimed and got redirected after softing? Move your vote to tom.
Vote: Tomsloger I'll ask you as well, why would scum shoot you instead of the claimed(and proven) joat?
Still think kpaca/last are just town. Their interactions all game have been pretty genuine and they really only make sense together.
Vaimes and rodemy I haven't really been over but, just, knowing them both they're playing their town games. Could probably throw together a case for either but doesn't really seem important. Slightly lower on rodemy just because team building (Kami, dota, grape. Idk who vaimes would even be with) but doubt it
Wuffles I was feeling pretty good about and this soft doesn't really make sense from scum. If he jailed me there's maybe a shot I was the kill but it just seems wrong. If he's claiming rb... Well Idk what happened but still nonsense from scumwuffles.
Brings me to
Kami/manasi/johnny/grape/dota
Grape has been solid mindmelds for a lot of the game but... Well we have been wrong on everything...
Dota has been crap but I thought DV was town.
Johnny... like the opposite of grape kinda we've disagreed consistently and I might be biased by it? Idk I though he was scum with vez and he's unaligned with a lot of my poe maybe he should be higher here
Manasi I'm usually pretty good at reading but she never played really. Dan I thought was handling people in a kinda seedy way and was just kinda shady.
Kami I've been over in depth he's just scum I'm over the silly sk read.
Think my best guess is, like, kami/manasi/dota/grape
Maybe swap rodemy for manasi? Gj for dota?
Or it's, like, kpaca/last/???? And nothing matters
Further:
Vaimes I think is fairly unlikely to fool me completely. Even when I've been pocketed by him there was stuff that made me question I just chose to ignore for some reason or another. And remember I caught him in 6 posts one time. Think his chance of being scum is ~1%
Rodemy a little higher. Maybe 5%.
Him/kami/grape is, like, a thing but rodemy himself has been pretty town. Even the recent post about me not getting killed shows me he's probably not in a scumchat lol.
He's not paying attention and makes no sense but he's probably town.
Wuffles would have to seriously be going through some hoops to be scum here. I know him and grape fooled me in token with actions that made zero sense from scum but that wasn't outright suicide. <10%, don't just lynch him after my flip.
This is where I'd put percentages for kpaca and last, but no idea what that number should be really. I guess kpaca slightly higher but if he's scum and last is town what the **** was that daykill about?
Generally think we just need to eliminate all those if im gonna be the last available mislynch. Can't afford for any of them to be scum so let's just assume town.
Consider my vote on tom when I see a vote count I’ll make it official. Yesterday there was that whole speed hammer thing going down and I’m on mobile and not really trying to go back and count votes.
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Damn some convos sparked today and nah, I'm voting kpaca, tell me any reason outside his claim, why he is town, and if he flips scum, and u wanna believe I'm scum with him then so be it..
Consider my vote on tom when I see a vote count I’ll make it official. Yesterday there was that whole speed hammer thing going down and I’m on mobile and not really trying to go back and count votes.
u pushed the Lynch... Me you and Tom were the ones who speed lynched him... U are scum, with Tom, if he flips red... Lmao, don't give me this bs caring about the Lynch type of post...
Hi I've been out of town and just got back today. I think that the closest we're gonna get to some sort of claim is Wuffles re: tom and I feel like I can openly admit to like, being wrong on him in general.
Don't really mind going there. I'm around from now on so let me know if anyone wants me to look at anything or clarify something or give an opinion. Think that'll be generally easier than catching up but I'll try doing that as well.
u pushed the Lynch... Me you and Tom were the ones who speed lynched him... U are scum, with Tom, if he flips red... Lmao, don't give me this bs caring about the Lynch type of post...
im sorry, did you say something that made sense? No? Didn’t think so.
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u pushed the Lynch... Me you and Tom were the ones who speed lynched him... U are scum, with Tom, if he flips red... Lmao, don't give me this bs caring about the Lynch type of post...
im sorry, did you say something that made sense? No? Didn’t think so.
did you? Nope, why are all of your comments shade, or straight up attacks? Is that ur scum strat? To scare me away? Hahaha
Wuffles if you are claiming roleblocker then kpaca's role doesn't exist as town... Just saying...
That makes no sense... There is no conflict between a JOAT and a RB.
if the joat exists, and the conflict consists over multiple roles, not just the existence of a roleblocker? hes probably just a mafia extra kill, and joats can consist, of 3-4 roles, one killing, one manip, one protect, and one inves
we already have a dead tracker, wuffles who is pretty much claiming role blocker, and terry which was the doctor
so if he really is the joat, then like scarlet said, hes the mafia joat...
honestly could care less if anyone wants to push me if Tom/Kpaca flip red, and if/when Tom flips red, then Wuffles is town
god I can smell victory ^.^
The Jack-of-all-trades is a role with several one-shot night abilities - typically abilities centered around investigating, protecting and killing. The Jack-of-all-trades may use whichever ability they want on a specific Night, but can use each one only once.
The "standard" JOAT is a one-shot Cop, one-shot Doctor, one-shot Vig, and one-shot Roleblocker. However, this exact model is uncommon
Wuffles if you are claiming roleblocker then kpaca's role doesn't exist as town... Just saying...
That makes no sense... There is no conflict between a JOAT and a RB.
and second, ignore the mechanical read, and tell me something townie Kpaca has done... like literally anything, go read the previous EoD before Rage was lynched, and then go read his comment about a speedy lynch, and tell me its not full of holes...
The dude has given no one he pushed the chance to breathe, hes attacked every claim, so why should his claim be any different?
Lynch Tom, then tmr we lynch Kpaca, and if you want to lynch me afterwards, I wouldnt even blame you...
now would scum tom, get us to vote scum!kami? to clear himself? I cant see it
so Kami gets green too (maybe tho, Im not gunna preemptively say its never possible)
again Tom spewed Dan kinda, so im think Dans a green?
there is never both scum Vaimes/Dota, and if im right about Dan, Rod, and Kami that leaves GJ or Grape
Ill probably go back read somemore, but ill do that after the Toms flip, which at this point is most def scum
Dota
come vote Tom... plz?
ohh wait, if Kpaca ever flips red, Grape is green
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did you? Nope, why are all of your comments shade, or straight up attacks? Is that ur scum strat? To scare me away? Hahaha
because you have literally taken every position in this game at least once, and quite frankly are pretty useless as far as is trying to win this game in my opinion. Most things I have said made sense this game. Almost nothing you have said has made sense or even followed rationale behavior.
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and second, ignore the mechanical read, and tell me something townie Kpaca has done... like literally anything, go read the previous EoD before Rage was lynched, and then go read his comment about a speedy lynch, and tell me its not full of holes...
The dude has given no one he pushed the chance to breathe, hes attacked every claim, so why should his claim be any different?
Lynch Tom, then tmr we lynch Kpaca, and if you want to lynch me afterwards, I wouldnt even blame you...
lets lynch you first. Because quite frankly this reeks of you knowing your boy tom is cooked, and trying to do everything you can to right ship.
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did you? Nope, why are all of your comments shade, or straight up attacks? Is that ur scum strat? To scare me away? Hahaha
because you have literally taken every position in this game at least once, and quite frankly are pretty useless as far as is trying to win this game in my opinion. Most things I have said made sense this game. Almost nothing you have said has made sense or even followed rationale behavior.
no you dont try to find rational sense in anything I say, your posts consist of one line attacks on peoples posts, and smart responses that do nothing but belittle people. and you thinking your posts made sense is just your own bias, and making sense doesnt mean you are write, no one me or you have pushed this game has flip town? maybe its time to go back and re think things? which I am doing, also you should be voting Tom, lynch your buddy, plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
if this dude does not die tonight and yall do not lynch him tmr
I swear to god
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and second, ignore the mechanical read, and tell me something townie Kpaca has done... like literally anything, go read the previous EoD before Rage was lynched, and then go read his comment about a speedy lynch, and tell me its not full of holes...
The dude has given no one he pushed the chance to breathe, hes attacked every claim, so why should his claim be any different?
Lynch Tom, then tmr we lynch Kpaca, and if you want to lynch me afterwards, I wouldnt even blame you...
lets lynch you first. Because quite frankly this reeks of you knowing your boy tom is cooked, and trying to do everything you can to right ship.
ohh so now im not town anymore? that agenda doesnt work anymore because I am out of your pocket? and I also, I dont know if Tom will flip red, but theres nothing wrong with thinking ahead
Wuffles if you are claiming roleblocker then kpaca's role doesn't exist as town... Just saying...
That makes no sense... There is no conflict between a JOAT and a RB.
and second, ignore the mechanical read, and tell me something townie Kpaca has done... like literally anything, go read the previous EoD before Rage was lynched, and then go read his comment about a speedy lynch, and tell me its not full of holes...
The dude has given no one he pushed the chance to breathe, hes attacked every claim, so why should his claim be any different?
Lynch Tom, then tmr we lynch Kpaca, and if you want to lynch me afterwards, I wouldnt even blame you...
Kpaca not giving people room to breathe is Kpaca. It would be like saying you're scum for changing your reads every 5 minutes. His meta is that of a bulldog as either alignment. And Rage eating a speed lynch made sense.
Back to mechanics, he clearly thinks his role conflicts with the others but a JOAT doesn't conflict with anything. That's kind of the point of one. It's supplmental power but doesn't conflict with anything. If you wanted to base your scum read on him thinking it did then more power to you, but the un CC'd vig shot trumps that for me. It's possible there is an extra scum kill but given his claim and behavior I'm in inclined to believe him. Plus mod gaming Shadow the man loves vigs.
As for what makes him townie outside mechanics he's actually been really townie by behavior. As you have realized at others points of this game. His fake day kill on you, and basically his entire D1 screamed town.
Honestly there wasnt really a behaviorial reason I thought he was town, it was only ever mechanical, and the fact that he saved me from being lynched
"What he clearly thinks" was used to push the lynch of two PRs, one never ended up getting lynch, because he died
how does it not conflict? give us a universal backup, not 3 roles, that are all pretty common joat abilities, and a joat... makes no sense
and if this is how Kpaca plays, then he should be a policy lynch every game, and honestly I should probably be lynched every game for being too quick to make reads, which I am trying to work on.
Rage eating a speed lynch made no sense, the attack on him made no sense
STOP DEFENDING KPACA OMG
well are you gunna vote Tom tho??? why arent you voting Tom
@LW Not going to argue with you when you're like this but if you go read your own posts you'll see you had behavioral reasons for town reading Kpaca.
As for why I'm not voting tom it's because I'm waiting for more info from wuffles. Once you soft like that you might as well claim so I'm not interested in moving forward until we get a full claim from him.
@LW Not going to argue with you when you're like this but if you go read your own posts you'll see you had behavioral reasons for town reading Kpaca.
As for why I'm not voting tom it's because I'm waiting for more info from wuffles. Once you soft like that you might as well claim so I'm not interested in moving forward until we get a full claim from him.
I mean if your talking about me saying Kpaca has made many good posts? well ask Osie about that, because he says thats also a bad habit of mine
(If this were mylo then yeah, a claim would make sense, but we have one mislynch left and I doubt scum are gonna 1v1 here just to get tom of all people lynched.)
How sure are you?
Lol
Read the subtext.
Lynch him.
Unless we have yet another protective role that soaked a kill, it's Tom.
Lmao
The funny thing is I thought hard and long about this and even after my post yesterday I ****ed can't, if kpaca is town this game, then he is an just unfun player to play with...
This is for Osie and rage
vote: kpaca
Omg whoever u are...
Still not voting for Kami.
I'm going to Vote: Vaimes. I doubt the Vezok wagon on day 1 was clean, and I'm not yet convinced that Rod is scum which only leaves Vaimes (from my point of view). I don't think scum!Rod is bold enough to be the first to jump on a claimed tracker on D2, town!Rod would have reason to doubt the claim. Vaimes on D2 and D3 final vote counts also in spots often statistically populated by scum.
It doesn't make sense for wuffles to be faking today or scum to have skipped a kill I think we need a massclaim here
I'm VT
Lol
If Wuffles was hinting at mechanics I completely missed it. I'd rather have him confirm or deny before eating crow.
Vote: Tom
@Last, what's more likely, scum got two nightlife night one or kpaca is a joat as claimed and got redirected after softing? Move your vote to tom.
Vote: Tomsloger I'll ask you as well, why would scum shoot you instead of the claimed(and proven) joat?
Hold on I'll leave a legacy. I don't think this makes wuffles scum
Still think kpaca/last are just town. Their interactions all game have been pretty genuine and they really only make sense together.
Vaimes and rodemy I haven't really been over but, just, knowing them both they're playing their town games. Could probably throw together a case for either but doesn't really seem important. Slightly lower on rodemy just because team building (Kami, dota, grape. Idk who vaimes would even be with) but doubt it
Wuffles I was feeling pretty good about and this soft doesn't really make sense from scum. If he jailed me there's maybe a shot I was the kill but it just seems wrong. If he's claiming rb... Well Idk what happened but still nonsense from scumwuffles.
Brings me to
Kami/manasi/johnny/grape/dota
Grape has been solid mindmelds for a lot of the game but... Well we have been wrong on everything...
Dota has been crap but I thought DV was town.
Johnny... like the opposite of grape kinda we've disagreed consistently and I might be biased by it? Idk I though he was scum with vez and he's unaligned with a lot of my poe maybe he should be higher here
Manasi I'm usually pretty good at reading but she never played really. Dan I thought was handling people in a kinda seedy way and was just kinda shady.
Kami I've been over in depth he's just scum I'm over the silly sk read.
Think my best guess is, like, kami/manasi/dota/grape
Maybe swap rodemy for manasi? Gj for dota?
Or it's, like, kpaca/last/???? And nothing matters
Vaimes I think is fairly unlikely to fool me completely. Even when I've been pocketed by him there was stuff that made me question I just chose to ignore for some reason or another. And remember I caught him in 6 posts one time. Think his chance of being scum is ~1%
Rodemy a little higher. Maybe 5%.
Him/kami/grape is, like, a thing but rodemy himself has been pretty town. Even the recent post about me not getting killed shows me he's probably not in a scumchat lol.
He's not paying attention and makes no sense but he's probably town.
Wuffles would have to seriously be going through some hoops to be scum here. I know him and grape fooled me in token with actions that made zero sense from scum but that wasn't outright suicide. <10%, don't just lynch him after my flip.
This is where I'd put percentages for kpaca and last, but no idea what that number should be really. I guess kpaca slightly higher but if he's scum and last is town what the **** was that daykill about?
Generally think we just need to eliminate all those if im gonna be the last available mislynch. Can't afford for any of them to be scum so let's just assume town.
I still believe Wuffles because as tom said this would be weird but I just want to make sure this is an RB claim first.
Bro, get your head out of the clouds.
Aka Dota and kpaca obviously
Also apparently I didn't read this page...
vote: Tom
Tmr my vote stays locked on kpaca tho
Don't really mind going there. I'm around from now on so let me know if anyone wants me to look at anything or clarify something or give an opinion. Think that'll be generally easier than catching up but I'll try doing that as well.
WHOOPS.
That makes no sense... There is no conflict between a JOAT and a RB.
we already have a dead tracker, wuffles who is pretty much claiming role blocker, and terry which was the doctor
so if he really is the joat, then like scarlet said, hes the mafia joat...
honestly could care less if anyone wants to push me if Tom/Kpaca flip red, and if/when Tom flips red, then Wuffles is town
god I can smell victory ^.^
The dude has given no one he pushed the chance to breathe, hes attacked every claim, so why should his claim be any different?
Lynch Tom, then tmr we lynch Kpaca, and if you want to lynch me afterwards, I wouldnt even blame you...
Do you remember why ur vote ended on Tom last EoD?
also come vote Tom again...
Anaklusmos - 9 (tomsloger, Wuffles_II, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21, vezokpiraka,KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, osieorb18, Lastwhisper)
vezokpiraka - 6 (DoTArchon, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Vaimes, kpaca, Anaklusmos, Rodemy)
Wuffles_II - 1 (Ganderin_dan)
now would scum tom, get us to vote scum!kami? to clear himself? I cant see it
so Kami gets green too (maybe tho, Im not gunna preemptively say its never possible)
again Tom spewed Dan kinda, so im think Dans a green?
there is never both scum Vaimes/Dota, and if im right about Dan, Rod, and Kami that leaves GJ or Grape
Ill probably go back read somemore, but ill do that after the Toms flip, which at this point is most def scum
Dota
come vote Tom... plz?
ohh wait, if Kpaca ever flips red, Grape is green
#3371
if this dude does not die tonight and yall do not lynch him tmr
I swear to god
Everyone
Kpaca not giving people room to breathe is Kpaca. It would be like saying you're scum for changing your reads every 5 minutes. His meta is that of a bulldog as either alignment. And Rage eating a speed lynch made sense.
Back to mechanics, he clearly thinks his role conflicts with the others but a JOAT doesn't conflict with anything. That's kind of the point of one. It's supplmental power but doesn't conflict with anything. If you wanted to base your scum read on him thinking it did then more power to you, but the un CC'd vig shot trumps that for me. It's possible there is an extra scum kill but given his claim and behavior I'm in inclined to believe him. Plus mod gaming Shadow the man loves vigs.
As for what makes him townie outside mechanics he's actually been really townie by behavior. As you have realized at others points of this game. His fake day kill on you, and basically his entire D1 screamed town.
"What he clearly thinks" was used to push the lynch of two PRs, one never ended up getting lynch, because he died
how does it not conflict? give us a universal backup, not 3 roles, that are all pretty common joat abilities, and a joat... makes no sense
and if this is how Kpaca plays, then he should be a policy lynch every game, and honestly I should probably be lynched every game for being too quick to make reads, which I am trying to work on.
Rage eating a speed lynch made no sense, the attack on him made no sense
STOP DEFENDING KPACA OMG
well are you gunna vote Tom tho??? why arent you voting Tom
VCA Offical one I mean
Unofficial Vote Count:
tomsloger - 4 (Wuffles_II, Vaimes, DoTArchon, Lastwhisper)
Lastwhisper - 1 (KamikazeArchon)
Kami - 1 (Grapefruit21)
kpaca - 1 (Rodemy)
Not Voting - 4 (kpaca, tomsloger, Gentleman Johnny, Manasi)
since you guys need a vote count, might be wrong, vote tracker is wonky sometimes
As for why I'm not voting tom it's because I'm waiting for more info from wuffles. Once you soft like that you might as well claim so I'm not interested in moving forward until we get a full claim from him.
Wuffles
full claim
also its ok if you dont want to argue with me, you and me have both been wrong before, im hoping you realize that you are...
So do you not care about this game? are u scum with Tom/Paca?
I don't really care what his role is, just as long as we get a scumflip out of this.
I've got my thoughts out there but, I mean I've been on all 3 mislynches my confidence not super high rn lol
At least I can try to finally end a day voting scum. This still my best lead
vote: kami