My desire to do anything this game is borderline nonexistant.
Guess I feel like I need to completely rethink my reads after JT got run up (mostly by people I was townreading), and the thought of opening like, twelve ISOs completely wears me out.
Procrastination is bad, but welp.
I'll try to comb through the reads I feel most confident in and work from there. Eventually. Today.
My desire to do anything this game is borderline nonexistant.
Guess I feel like I need to completely rethink my reads after JT got run up (mostly by people I was townreading), and the thought of opening like, twelve ISOs completely wears me out.
Procrastination is bad, but welp.
I'll try to comb through the reads I feel most confident in and work from there. Eventually. Today.
you a literally part of a group of people in this game, that only seem to post when people scum read you, and then be like, "idk why you guys even think im scum..."
minus a few moments, and im largely over exaggerating, and I get you people have lives, and have different styles of playing, but at least give me a reason to believe I should keep town reading you
@Vaimes
I really don't care. This game was fun, and then it wasn't, and then it continued to drag for thousands of posts, and then we got a flip that didn't really shake up the game, and so my activity (and I imagine everyone's activity) will reflect that.
Like, yeah, boo hoo everyone's complained about this Day 1 And A Half a thousand times over, but it's going to keep being a problem until Day 3 happens. Right now this game is an echo chamber that consists mostly of you, and it's not really helpful because most people come out of their conversations with you tilted or confused.
Anyway, I'm gonna ride this small wave of motivation.
This wagon is why I voted JT (which I actually mentioned when I voted him iirc, or soon afterwards). I thought the Fuwa wagon was pretty towny, and that Fuwa was probably scum and being bussed by JT. I voted JT over Fuwa because JT had more votes and we already did the Fuwa song and dance.
It's now colored to reflect the Easy World: where vezok and JT are trueclaiming town. And uh...the wagon is still super towny (I was townreading Grape, I barely recall why anymore but I'll refresh it later if need be) and not being piled on by scum as far as I can see. The fact that Fuwa had some decently towny posting under threat of lynch and then faded into the background again without much fuss makes me think scum don't want her lynched.
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By the by, right now votes are waaay to spread out. We have a week to consolidate; can't be assed to check how much longer V/LAs are supposed to last but I don't think any of them were super long.
Vaimes
1. Day 3 isnt just gunna arrive, people have to do stuff, while you just skate off what they do, the game moves forward because some people are actually playing... I am sorry it has dragged for you, but you arent helping move the game forward in anyway
2. Me tilted or confused? What even is this shade?
3. "Because I thought JT was bussing Fuwa" what?
4. JT can be true claiming town, but Vezok will never be...
5. Why were you town reading grape at that time?
b]The fact that Fuwa had some decently towny posting under threat of lynch and then faded into the background again without much fuss makes me think scum don't want her lynched.[/b]
what does this even mean?
tbh, imo, Fuwa is scummy because PoE, but for the love of me, I cant even understand why you are voting her off this explanation, I cant follow it, like at all
and there are two V/LAs now, terry and someone else till tomorrow
tbh, imo, Fuwa is scummy because PoE, but for the love of me, I cant even understand why you are voting her off this explanation, I cant follow it, like at all
and there are two V/LAs now, terry and someone else till tomorrow
It's really not that hard. She almost got lynched, made some posts, people backed off, and then she vanished again.
tbh, imo, Fuwa is scummy because PoE, but for the love of me, I cant even understand why you are voting her off this explanation, I cant follow it, like at all
and there are two V/LAs now, terry and someone else till tomorrow
It's really not that hard. She almost got lynched, made some posts, people backed off, and then she vanished again.
and other people havent done that? lol, that in itself isnt even remotely scummy, and she will always lurk, it doesnt even have anything to do with alignment...
God damn it I really don't want to format votals again.
The short version is that I think if vezok were town, scum would have forced the mislynch through. Enough people doubted vezok's claim that, looking back, it doesn't really make sense to me that a VT claim got lynched instead.
And the wagon on vezok was pretty towny imo, if you accept JT's claim as true.
I find it funny how some people were stating the Anak lynch appeared after the Vezok train, when here you can see the Anak train appeared first, then kpaca voted Vez, then Osie, then Me. (which are not in the vc's)
also votes between 1.13 and 1.14 are kinda meh, because so many vote movements were missed in between those.
God damn it I really don't want to format votals again.
The short version is that I think if vezok were town, scum would have forced the mislynch through. Enough people doubted vezok's claim that, looking back, it doesn't really make sense to me that a VT claim got lynched instead.
And the wagon on vezok was pretty towny imo, if you accept JT's claim as true.
I didn't really bother with those votecounts, except 1.12.
Towny wagon on Fuwa.
ya and I almost want to remove you from being town just from these string of posts...
I had the exact opposite reaction.
Vote: Fuwa I don't trust Dota but I have some amount of trust in everyone else on that wagon. Fuwa's lurking isn't alignment indicative but the lack of opportunism (before this) in people trying to push her is a good point. If she does flip scum I'll take another look at Vez but I have no interest in pursuing a claimed tracker off the strength of Kpaca's not really a CC, CC.
Sorry, violet is townfirm, blue is town, orange is suspect.
I only colored the ones I'm at least somewhat confident on.
Vaimes
Gun to your head, who are the 4 scum, in this case we are assuming there are 4 scum, which has the higher possibility of a game of this size.
and whats your opinion on like everyone else?
if Vez is town: Anaklusmos - 9 (tomsloger, Wuffles_II, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, osieorb18, Lastwhisper)
vezokpiraka - 6 (DoTArchon, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Vaimes, kpaca, Anaklusmos, Rodemy)
Wuffles_II - 1 (Ganderin_dan)
honestly, I can see this actually, its a safe way for scum to spread there votes
if Vez is scum:
Anaklusmos - 9 (tomsloger, Wuffles_II, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, osieorb18, Lastwhisper)
vezokpiraka - 6 (DoTArchon, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Vaimes, kpaca, Anaklusmos, Rodemy)
Wuffles_II - 1 (Ganderin_dan)
something like this? give or take, honestly if Vez flips scum, I cant imagine all scum being on Anak... which makes Dan almost certainly scum even tho hes been really towny...
both cases scum!dan makes sense tbh lol
tbh Idk where I was getting at here like at all
and yes I know I have 5 scum if Vez flips scum, I spent a good half and hour rereading stuff, and couldnt figure out who to remove...
like if Vez flips scum, Fuwa's vote looks so bad, and Idk how to justify her doing that as town or scum...
also this
From Kami: Would prefer tom or fuwa over either of the current frontrunners, but no lynch is worse. More of my scum reads are on vezok, so:
unvote
vote anak
so lets say Fuwa is town in both cases so:
if Vez is scum:
Anaklusmos - 9 (tomsloger, Wuffles_II, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, osieorb18, Lastwhisper)
vezokpiraka - 6 (DoTArchon, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Vaimes, kpaca, Anaklusmos, Rodemy)
Wuffles_II - 1 (Ganderin_dan)
lol, if vez is scum, then atleast 3 scum were Anak...
I didn't really bother with those votecounts, except 1.12.
Towny wagon on Fuwa.
ya and I almost want to remove you from being town just from these string of posts...
I had the exact opposite reaction.
Vote: Fuwa I don't trust Dota but I have some amount of trust in everyone else on that wagon. Fuwa's lurking isn't alignment indicative but the lack of opportunism (before this) in people trying to push her is a good point. If she does flip scum I'll take another look at Vez but I have no interest in pursuing a claimed tracker off the strength of Kpaca's not really a CC, CC.
and I just made a post where I put you as green, and you go and ruin it...
I don't really see reason to think Kami's flip clears Fuwa. Based on the VC's I kind of think the opposite. They seem tied together from the VC to me. For exactly the reason LW's quote points out. KA said wanted to lynch her, but never voted her when he had ample opportunity.
I don't really see reason to think Kami's flip clears Fuwa. Based on the VC's I kind of think the opposite. They seem tied together from the VC to me. For exactly the reason LW's quote points out. KA said wanted to lynch her, but never voted her when he had ample opportunity.
well why not still vote kami then? if you believe they can buddies????
I don't really see reason to think Kami's flip clears Fuwa. Based on the VC's I kind of think the opposite. They seem tied together from the VC to me. For exactly the reason LW's quote points out. KA said wanted to lynch her, but never voted her when he had ample opportunity.
well why not still vote kami then? if you believe they can buddies????
I don't really see reason to think Kami's flip clears Fuwa. Based on the VC's I kind of think the opposite. They seem tied together from the VC to me. For exactly the reason LW's quote points out. KA said wanted to lynch her, but never voted her when he had ample opportunity.
well why not still vote kami then? if you believe they can buddies????
^Because I'd prefer to lynch Fuwa as I think the vote count looks individually bad for her. Both are near blank slots at this point of the game and Fuwa's wagon looks pure and the big post that changed my mind is like the only positive thing she's done all game. And one post isn't enough for me to read her by.
I don't really see reason to think Kami's flip clears Fuwa. Based on the VC's I kind of think the opposite. They seem tied together from the VC to me. For exactly the reason LW's quote points out. KA said wanted to lynch her, but never voted her when he had ample opportunity.
I don't necessarily agree with that fully, but I do also think Kami's lynch is slightly more useful.
^Because I'd prefer to lynch Fuwa as I think the vote count looks individually bad for her. Both are near blank slots at this point of the game and Fuwa's wagon looks pure and the big post that changed my mind is like the only positive thing she's done all game. And one post isn't enough for me to read her by.
at the end of it all, people just wanted the day to end, and she did something with her vote, wasnt the towniest of votes, but also wasnt the scummiest vote
and she has content to her posts over kami, what exactly has kami done that makes him better than Fuwa?
^Because I'd prefer to lynch Fuwa as I think the vote count looks individually bad for her. Both are near blank slots at this point of the game and Fuwa's wagon looks pure and the big post that changed my mind is like the only positive thing she's done all game. And one post isn't enough for me to read her by.
at the end of it all, people just wanted the day to end, and she did something with her vote, wasnt the towniest of votes, but also wasnt the scummiest vote
and she has content to her posts over kami, what exactly has kami done that makes him better than Fuwa?
It's not what either of them have done, it's about the wagon dynamics. That's the whole point. KA has voted in a way that suggests he knows Fuwa's alignment and doesn't want to vote her, but she was wagoned in a way that suggests she's not town and wasn't ever poked in a opportunistic way in the interim. Probably because she's scum and her buddies were reluctant to start a wagon on her.
also Kami said, "More of my scum reads are on Vezok", that would some gnarly spew for when this dude flips scum, not that we didnt already think that almsot everyone on Vez was town, but Im sitting here wondering, who the heck this dude was honestly scum reading on Vez's train...
^Because I'd prefer to lynch Fuwa as I think the vote count looks individually bad for her. Both are near blank slots at this point of the game and Fuwa's wagon looks pure and the big post that changed my mind is like the only positive thing she's done all game. And one post isn't enough for me to read her by.
at the end of it all, people just wanted the day to end, and she did something with her vote, wasnt the towniest of votes, but also wasnt the scummiest vote
and she has content to her posts over kami, what exactly has kami done that makes him better than Fuwa?
It's not what either of them have done, it's about the wagon dynamics. That's the whole point. KA has voted in a way that suggests he knows Fuwa's alignment and doesn't want to vote her, but she was wagoned in a way that suggests she's not town and wasn't ever poked in a opportunistic way in the interim. Probably because she's scum and her buddies were reluctant to start a wagon on her.
im sorry you are gunna have to explain this better for my small brain, cause this is some mental gymnastics I cant comprehend... I mean she wasn't poked at in an opportunist way, I agree, but that doesn't mean that town cant be scum reading someone that is town for "reasons", just like a lot of people you perceive as town being on a wagon, doesn't always mean that train is a scum lynch... but I wont argue with you for believing what you want, just know I am not voting Fuwa over Kami, regardless of what you think
Grape
also you and Vaimes were on that train, so for me, Fuwa's train was a totally clean train, because honestly you are both skimming the edge of towny right now
Grape
also you and Vaimes were on that train, so for me, Fuwa's train was a totally clean train, because honestly you are both skimming the edge of towny right now
forgive for posting 4 times in a row, but im going to sleep, and I need to clarify, that I meant to say "wasnt a totally clean train" not was
I think the same can be said about vez, fuwa, and to a lesser extent Kami.
If any if them are town, id expect their wagons to have gone differently
Especially vez with the claim. scum totally could have justified voting for the claimed tracker there and I don't see any votes like that unless vaimes or last jumping on because of the kpaca soft CC, and I just don't think either of them are scum.
I already looked at the vez wagon, and y'all just looked at fuwa. But don't forget the Kami votes.
It was me and anak at some point and No one joined except wuffles.
After we had all moved he got voted by osi and last. And No one joined (or even commented on) that either
Grape
also you and Vaimes were on that train, so for me, Fuwa's train was a totally clean train, because honestly you are both skimming the edge of towny right now
Exactly this premise is based on the train being clean. If it wasn't it doesn't work.
So the idea is there was this large and seemingly justified wagon on Fuwa and one with almost the same people on Vez at EoD. If we're wrong and this wagon has more than 1 scum on it both people are probably town. But if there is no scum on it that makes Fuwa likely scum and Vez likely scum as well.
If Anak and Vez are both town it makes almost no sense for scum to pile onto Anak over the claimed tracker if they could avoid looking scummy doing so. And given the thin justifications on some of the votes for Anak it wouldn't have been hard to fake a more rational process than was given there. So Vez is probably scum based on that dynamic.
Fuwa is probably scum based on the same one, if she was town when the wagon started to dissipate it would have been hard to keep it going. The one post I went to bat to defend wasn't such a glowing example of towniness that you would have looked insane to keep pushing her. And for her to not have copped any pressure at all today suggests she's not town because she would have been an easier target to push before this. Given the suspicion she was under yesterday and lack of contributions today.
Okay, guys, I have to apologise to everyone here, particularly the ones that have been trying so damn hard and posting all the time when so many people seem checked out from this game.
Since I stopped being able to post from work last week I've been finding it suuuper hard to find time to post in either of my mafia games and it just feels bad, like, real bad, like, I'm letting the mods that worked so hard on these setups and the players that need that interaction to enjoy the game down so hard.
I'm currently ten pages behind as of right now and I don't know when I'll be able to catch up fully.
I've decided to step back from playing in mafia games for a while after this game, until I either stop being so ridiculously social after work or start being able to post from work again. I still want to continue this game because I know how *****ty it is to try to find replacements after this number of posts. And, well, I'm Darth Mother******* VADER and I ******* love it. *breathes heavily*
So yeah, I'm going to stay around and I'll work as hard as I can to keep up from now on. I'm sorry again. -_-
(With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry is V/LA for a couple of days
I will be assessing prod status of all players within the next several hours.
I am seeking a replacement for Gandarin_DanDay 2 ends on July 23rd at 2000 Mountain time.
It's as NAI as your flipflopping
But bu bu I don't get influenced by good posting!
But you do it with such charm... Lol.
Grapefruit21 - 2 (Wuffles_II, vezokpiraka)
Wuffles_II - 2 (Ganderin_dan, Rodemy)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - 1 (kpaca)
DoTArchon - 1 (KamikazeArchon)
osieorb18 - 1 (Fuwa)
vezokpiraka - 1 (TheRealStinkyJoeTerry)
Rodemy - 1 (Gentleman Johnny)
Tomsloger - 1 (DoTArchon)
Fuwa - 1 (Lastwhisper)
KamikazeArchon - 1 (tomsloger)
Not Voting - 3 (Grapefruit21, Vaimes, osieorb18)
(With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch)
Wuffles_II is V/LA until July 18
Day 2 ends on July 23rd at 2000 Mountain time.
I still feel pretty comfortable with my vote on vezo
Vote: Kami
This game needs some life to it.
I want to hear anybody's thoughts on Rodemy and on Vaimes, with good reasoning.
Guess I feel like I need to completely rethink my reads after JT got run up (mostly by people I was townreading), and the thought of opening like, twelve ISOs completely wears me out.
Procrastination is bad, but welp.
I'll try to comb through the reads I feel most confident in and work from there. Eventually. Today.
same
you a literally part of a group of people in this game, that only seem to post when people scum read you, and then be like, "idk why you guys even think im scum..."
@Vaimes
Like, yeah, boo hoo everyone's complained about this Day 1 And A Half a thousand times over, but it's going to keep being a problem until Day 3 happens. Right now this game is an echo chamber that consists mostly of you, and it's not really helpful because most people come out of their conversations with you tilted or confused.
Anyway, I'm gonna ride this small wave of motivation.
Vote Fuwa
This is where I'm going.
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Votecount 1.12
Fuwa - 6 (Grapefruit21, Vaimes, Anaklusmos, DotArchon, osieorb18, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry)
Gentleman Johnny - 2 (Tomsloger, vezokpiraka)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - 2 (Lastwhisper, Gentleman Johnny)
Vaimes - 2 (Fuwa, kpaca)
Grapefruit21 - 1 (Wuffles_II)
Tomsloger - 1 (KamikazeArchon)
Not Voting - 2 (ganderin_dan, Rodemy)
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This wagon is why I voted JT (which I actually mentioned when I voted him iirc, or soon afterwards). I thought the Fuwa wagon was pretty towny, and that Fuwa was probably scum and being bussed by JT. I voted JT over Fuwa because JT had more votes and we already did the Fuwa song and dance.
It's now colored to reflect the Easy World: where vezok and JT are trueclaiming town. And uh...the wagon is still super towny (I was townreading Grape, I barely recall why anymore but I'll refresh it later if need be) and not being piled on by scum as far as I can see. The fact that Fuwa had some decently towny posting under threat of lynch and then faded into the background again without much fuss makes me think scum don't want her lynched.
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By the by, right now votes are waaay to spread out. We have a week to consolidate; can't be assed to check how much longer V/LAs are supposed to last but I don't think any of them were super long.
1. Day 3 isnt just gunna arrive, people have to do stuff, while you just skate off what they do, the game moves forward because some people are actually playing... I am sorry it has dragged for you, but you arent helping move the game forward in anyway
2. Me tilted or confused? What even is this shade?
3. "Because I thought JT was bussing Fuwa" what?
4. JT can be true claiming town, but Vezok will never be...
5. Why were you town reading grape at that time?
b]The fact that Fuwa had some decently towny posting under threat of lynch and then faded into the background again without much fuss makes me think scum don't want her lynched.[/b]
what does this even mean?
tbh, imo, Fuwa is scummy because PoE, but for the love of me, I cant even understand why you are voting her off this explanation, I cant follow it, like at all
and there are two V/LAs now, terry and someone else till tomorrow
vote: Vezokpiraka
meh, I'll try again
The short version is that I think if vezok were town, scum would have forced the mislynch through. Enough people doubted vezok's claim that, looking back, it doesn't really make sense to me that a VT claim got lynched instead.
And the wagon on vezok was pretty towny imo, if you accept JT's claim as true.
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Day 1 Final Votecount
Anaklusmos - 9 (tomsloger, Wuffles_II, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, osieorb18, Lastwhisper)
vezokpiraka - 6 (DoTArchon, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Vaimes, kpaca, Anaklusmos, Rodemy)
Wuffles_II - 1 (Ganderin_dan)
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I think DV slot is town, JT claimed town Doctor, I'm town, kpaca is very likely town, Anak was town, and Rod is towny.
Fuwa was voting vezok, but swapped to Anak with a post that simply said "sheeping," and looks like bussing scum who saw a free out and took it.
If game is easy, I think we win (or at least net 3-4 scum, depending on how many there are) by lynching the scummy people on the Anak wagon.
Fuwa - 6 (Grapefruit21, Vaimes, Anaklusmos, DotArchon, osieorb18, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry)
Gentleman Johnny - 2 (Tomsloger, vezokpiraka)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - 2 (Lastwhisper, Gentleman Johnny)
Vaimes - 2 (Fuwa, kpaca)
Grapefruit21 - 1 (Wuffles_II)
Tomsloger - 1 (KamikazeArchon)
Not Voting - 2 (ganderin_dan, Rodemy)
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Votecount 1.13
Anaklusmos - 4 (tomsloger, osieorb18, Vaimes, Lastwhisper)
Vaimes - 2 (kpaca, Fuwa)
vezokpiraka - 2 (Rodemy, DoTArchon)
tomsloger - 1 (KamikazeArchon)
Fuwa - 1 (Anaklusmos)
Gentleman Johnny - 1 (vezokpiraka)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - 1 (Gentleman Johnny)
Grapefruit21 - 1 (Wuffles_II)
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Your Mod Pharaoh has returned.
Votecount 1.14
vezokpiraka - 4 (DoTArchon, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, osieorb18, Fuwa)
Anaklusmos - 3 (tomsloger, Vaimes, Lastwhisper)
Vaimes - 1 (kpaca)
tomsloger - 1 (KamikazeArchon)
Fuwa - 1 (Anaklusmos)
Gentleman Johnny - 1 (vezokpiraka)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - 1 (Gentleman Johnny)
Grapefruit21 - 1 (Wuffles_II)
Lastwhisper - 1 (Rodemy)
Not Voting - 2 (Grapefruit21, Ganderin_dan)
I find it funny how some people were stating the Anak lynch appeared after the Vezok train, when here you can see the Anak train appeared first, then kpaca voted Vez, then Osie, then Me. (which are not in the vc's)
also votes between 1.13 and 1.14 are kinda meh, because so many vote movements were missed in between those.
Towny wagon on Fuwa.
I only colored the ones I'm at least somewhat confident on.
I had the exact opposite reaction.
Vote: Fuwa I don't trust Dota but I have some amount of trust in everyone else on that wagon. Fuwa's lurking isn't alignment indicative but the lack of opportunism (before this) in people trying to push her is a good point. If she does flip scum I'll take another look at Vez but I have no interest in pursuing a claimed tracker off the strength of Kpaca's not really a CC, CC.
Vaimes
Gun to your head, who are the 4 scum, in this case we are assuming there are 4 scum, which has the higher possibility of a game of this size.
and whats your opinion on like everyone else?
if Vez is town:
Anaklusmos - 9 (tomsloger, Wuffles_II, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, osieorb18, Lastwhisper)
vezokpiraka - 6 (DoTArchon, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Vaimes, kpaca, Anaklusmos, Rodemy)
Wuffles_II - 1 (Ganderin_dan)
honestly, I can see this actually, its a safe way for scum to spread there votes
if Vez is scum:
Anaklusmos - 9 (tomsloger, Wuffles_II, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, osieorb18, Lastwhisper)
vezokpiraka - 6 (DoTArchon, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Vaimes, kpaca, Anaklusmos, Rodemy)
Wuffles_II - 1 (Ganderin_dan)
something like this? give or take, honestly if Vez flips scum, I cant imagine all scum being on Anak... which makes Dan almost certainly scum even tho hes been really towny...
both cases scum!dan makes sense tbh lol
tbh Idk where I was getting at here like at all
and yes I know I have 5 scum if Vez flips scum, I spent a good half and hour rereading stuff, and couldnt figure out who to remove...
like if Vez flips scum, Fuwa's vote looks so bad, and Idk how to justify her doing that as town or scum...
also this
so lets say Fuwa is town in both cases so:
if Vez is scum:
Anaklusmos - 9 (tomsloger, Wuffles_II, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, osieorb18, Lastwhisper)
vezokpiraka - 6 (DoTArchon, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Vaimes, kpaca, Anaklusmos, Rodemy)
Wuffles_II - 1 (Ganderin_dan)
lol, if vez is scum, then atleast 3 scum were Anak...
vote: Kami
I am not flip flopping at all hereI don't necessarily agree with that fully, but I do also think Kami's lynch is slightly more useful.
at the end of it all, people just wanted the day to end, and she did something with her vote, wasnt the towniest of votes, but also wasnt the scummiest vote
and she has content to her posts over kami, what exactly has kami done that makes him better than Fuwa?
It's not what either of them have done, it's about the wagon dynamics. That's the whole point. KA has voted in a way that suggests he knows Fuwa's alignment and doesn't want to vote her, but she was wagoned in a way that suggests she's not town and wasn't ever poked in a opportunistic way in the interim. Probably because she's scum and her buddies were reluctant to start a wagon on her.
also you and Vaimes were on that train, so for me, Fuwa's train was a totally clean train, because honestly you are both skimming the edge of towny right now
If any if them are town, id expect their wagons to have gone differently
Especially vez with the claim. scum totally could have justified voting for the claimed tracker there and I don't see any votes like that unless vaimes or last jumping on because of the kpaca soft CC, and I just don't think either of them are scum.
I already looked at the vez wagon, and y'all just looked at fuwa. But don't forget the Kami votes.
It was me and anak at some point and No one joined except wuffles.
After we had all moved he got voted by osi and last. And No one joined (or even commented on) that either
Exactly this premise is based on the train being clean. If it wasn't it doesn't work.
So the idea is there was this large and seemingly justified wagon on Fuwa and one with almost the same people on Vez at EoD. If we're wrong and this wagon has more than 1 scum on it both people are probably town. But if there is no scum on it that makes Fuwa likely scum and Vez likely scum as well.
If Anak and Vez are both town it makes almost no sense for scum to pile onto Anak over the claimed tracker if they could avoid looking scummy doing so. And given the thin justifications on some of the votes for Anak it wouldn't have been hard to fake a more rational process than was given there. So Vez is probably scum based on that dynamic.
Fuwa is probably scum based on the same one, if she was town when the wagon started to dissipate it would have been hard to keep it going. The one post I went to bat to defend wasn't such a glowing example of towniness that you would have looked insane to keep pushing her. And for her to not have copped any pressure at all today suggests she's not town because she would have been an easier target to push before this. Given the suspicion she was under yesterday and lack of contributions today.
Since I stopped being able to post from work last week I've been finding it suuuper hard to find time to post in either of my mafia games and it just feels bad, like, real bad, like, I'm letting the mods that worked so hard on these setups and the players that need that interaction to enjoy the game down so hard.
I'm currently ten pages behind as of right now and I don't know when I'll be able to catch up fully.
I've decided to step back from playing in mafia games for a while after this game, until I either stop being so ridiculously social after work or start being able to post from work again. I still want to continue this game because I know how *****ty it is to try to find replacements after this number of posts. And, well, I'm Darth Mother******* VADER and I ******* love it. *breathes heavily*
So yeah, I'm going to stay around and I'll work as hard as I can to keep up from now on. I'm sorry again. -_-
KamikazeArchon - 3 (tomsloger, osieorb18, Lastwhisper)
Grapefruit21 - 2 (Wuffles_II, vezokpiraka)
Wuffles_II - 2 (Ganderin_dan, Rodemy)
Fuwa - 2 (Vaimes, Grapefruit21)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - 1 (kpaca)
DoTArchon - 1 (KamikazeArchon)
osieorb18 - 1 (Fuwa)
vezokpiraka - 1 (TheRealStinkyJoeTerry)
Rodemy - 1 (Gentleman Johnny)
Tomsloger - 1 (DoTArchon)
(With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch)
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry is V/LA for a couple of days
I will be assessing prod status of all players within the next several hours.
I am seeking a replacement for Gandarin_Dan
Day 2 ends on July 23rd at 2000 Mountain time.