I'm generally trying to avoid reading ahead, but GJ feels like he's phoning it in with shade and shallow self-aggrandisement.
Heck, I think at this point I'm comfortable enough with Vaimes's indignation (though this might change) that I'll:
Vote GJ
Phoning it in? The game has barely been running for 24 hours, how the hell do you get me phoning it in? Because I work in the morning, and haven't played a game in 9 months?
This is such a ***** read, I am almost tempted to call it a TWTBAW.
No, because your posts feel about as useful and socially oriented as a wet gym sock filled with moldy tuna and left underneath someone's mattress.
ITS 24 HOURS ARE. IS THIS A ******* JOKE?
If part of the reason that someone is scumreading you amounts to you being aggressive without much content, then being aggressive without much content in defense isn't so great.
I asked Shadow and he gave a non-answer, but until given any reason to believe otherwise, I'm figuring that scum do not have daychat and that you are caught and going off on your own. There is no reason to respond with such hostility either way.
You have a bad memory of the event. You went from arguing that something was objectively false. To accepting that it was right, but that it was was the subjective that needed to be considered.
I'm over it, but you literally went full Beeboy on the situation to win the argument.
Doesn't sound like you're over it if you're throwing shade at me for no reason in a game where we're seemingly both townreading each other.
One part of a multi-faceted argument being wrong does not make the entire argument wrong unless the entire proof is proof of a negative. Which it was not.
But that's another game. Maybe we can play this one and not shade each other over old OoG history instead. Please and thank you.
Or he didn't read the post, which is also scummy as *****...
If GJ turns around and starts posting like town, I'd push him up to null pretty quickly.
Point out the misunderstanding, or piss off. Also, try to come up with an original thought.
Its that you strawmanned his argument.
He said if you started town posting he would probabally start giving you townie points. And a few town posts don't negate a few scum posts. You're literally asking for the switch to get flipped.
I made a bunch of bad posts, but this one town post I made negates the whole thing. He didn't say if you made some sort of confirmable town post he wouldn't town read you. He seemed to be saying that if you made town posts he would start slowly town reading you.
Why are you misconstruing his argument to be in the worst possible light?
The fact you were town in all of these does absolutley nothing for me. Okay so you post a reads list early, knowing people are gonna question you on it. Make it bad enough for us to question it so you can pull out the "i posts reads lists esrly all the time" argument. Not to mention you did all of it as town.
I thought it was intentionally bad.
Vote stands
Que?
How does this make him scum? What is the end game?
Townclear earlygame? Like do something you do often as town (****in 8+ times for him) self meta your way to scum victory.
Tbh, johnny feels frustrated.
Where the hell did the scum daychst idea come from? I think.. vaimes??.. mentioned it and now osie.
I dont see any mentions of it being a thing anywhere.
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I'm getting more town feels from DV, you, Fuwa, Grapefruit, and Vezok (though I do want to hear him your question of where those stats are from) at the moment. So I trust you more than I trust Vaimes or anyone else who isn't pinging town for me. Vaimes's indignation seems like it could be real though.
How? All I've done since you neutraled me was ask you why you put so much depth into your neutral reads. Which really isn't enough to justify a town lean.
I'm getting more town feels from DV, you, Fuwa, Grapefruit, and Vezok (though I do want to hear him your question of where those stats are from) at the moment. So I trust you more than I trust Vaimes or anyone else who isn't pinging town for me. Vaimes's indignation seems like it could be real though.
How? All I've done since you neutraled me was ask you why you put so much depth into your neutral reads. Which really isn't enough to justify a town lean.
I liked the attitude in that post. And I'm agreeing with your reads now, though I wish you'd explain them more. Also, it's a townlean, not a townread. Don't let it go to your head.
D_V - Great level of relaxedness, seems very much town and relieved to be town. #132 is really good.
Vaimes - Flaily, kinda cute. Some bad pushes, but I think he's trying. Fight with DV feels very town!town.
Vezok - Hmm… I might be pocketed here, but I like his convictions and this feels like organic town!vezok, especially with the metareading me despite not knowing me that well that I've been looking for since the beginning.
Townlean
Anak - Seems very comfortable coming back. I like his confidence and hope it lasts.
Grapefruit - I agree with his points but he needs to explain them.
kpaca - There we go (#192, #225)! A bit of a stiff start, but I only need a couple more town!kpaca posts to move this to a read from a lean.
Null:
Fuwa - Some mindmeld here. I like that she's trying to think about everyone early on. A little fluffy, but it is early in the game. Needs to post more.
Lastwhisper - Not very confident or active. Ehh. I'm hesitant to scumread him as of yet since he's too easy to misread scummy.
Wuffles - I need to see more. I'd slightly scumleaning here on fluff and reads, but the gimmick is also not doing anything for me, and I think I'm reading too far into the fluffiness for him.
Absent:
Tubba Fett - Has contributed nothing.
Scumlean:
Kamikaze - He's acting careful, in a sort of standoffish way. I don't like it. His reads also just look wrong.
Rodemy - I'm trying to figure out if his "I'm so lost" shtick is an act or not. Only pushing town looks bad.
Tom - Tom is ringing alarm bells, but I'm not sure if it's more than usual or the same as usual.
Light Scumread:
Ganderin_dan - Tons of scum pings, very few town pings. Lazy and disingenuous.
GJ - Shade and buddying. Seems lazy. Aggressive defensiveness looks really bad.
Can someone who knows LW confirm whether or not he's scumposting right now?
Fluffy uwu players are always in my blindspot.
I've only seen him scum once. This is now outside his range but reads kind of townie for him.
@Fuwa Ohhhh! Heyo! Didn't recognize the moniker but yes I remember you. Thanks for the tip Osie.
Anyway general thoughts:
Osie is super try harding and I don't know what it means. But the effort level and seriousness is off the charts which is appreciated.
Vaimes and DV very unlikely to be both scum.
DV and GJ relatively unlikely to be both scum (don't know GJ well enough to lock that read in).
Dan reads town to me, but I don't hate tom and Osie pressuring him.
@Osie I explain important things (like trying to breakdown your reads wall motivations) but I mostly just drive by little things unless people are curious about them. What specifically do you feel like I'm not explaining?
@Osie I explain important things (like trying to breakdown your reads wall motivations) but I mostly just drive by little things unless people are curious about them. What specifically do you feel like I'm not explaining?
Primarily your read on Kami (which I at least somewhat agree with), but also your vote on Vezok (which I don't agree with, though it could just be RVS).
I've got a tinfoil right now about day chat and a certain persons reaction to something I said.
Somebody remind me of this in like 200 more posts.
I've got some large thoughts this game, but I need to bide my time right now instead of setting off alarm bells in a few players who I am monitoring. This is bleh.
I'll be back in a few hours. Might pop in at some point during dinner if I feel so inclined.
@DV (and anyone else for that matter) - What are your thoughts on Rodemy?
Could be town could be scum.
They are one of the reasons I think there may be day chat. That turn around on the Tom connection thing was really fast, and reminded me a conversation I've had with a few people about Rodemy always busing really hard. If Rodemy flips scum, I'd consider Tom's scum odds to increase tenfold at least.
I think it might slightly indicate you may be scum as well. Since you would be one of the people that knows I've said this about Rodemy. I think its too good to be true though for three scum to fall into my lap over such a thing.
It could also be that Rodemy is hyper paranoid, because he knows he bussing and trying to get town points from it. I guess when I say Rodemy could be town its really from me worrying about tunneling him. But, right now hes pretty close to my highest scum read. Mostly from this perceived interaction by him.
@Osie I explain important things (like trying to breakdown your reads wall motivations) but I mostly just drive by little things unless people are curious about them. What specifically do you feel like I'm not explaining?
Primarily your read on Kami (which I at least somewhat agree with), but also your vote on Vezok (which I don't agree with, though it could just be RVS).
That was actually just a joke. I don't have a read on Kami. Thought the spoiler made that clear guess it didn't.
@Vaimes I'm bad at bleeding town though. Well unless death is imminent. But the you/DV read is basically the same as the you/Iso read from F&E. It's not a town or scum tell for either of you but it's a not scum together one. The only exception I could see is DV legit losing his temper at a buddy who is bussing him (I know DV feels like he gets bussed more than town actually solves him) but in that scenario I'd expect you to have actually put a solid scum read on him which just isn't what happened at all.
@Osie what do you see that makes you think Kami could be scum here? I've kind of glazed over his posts.
Also earlier you told me to settle down about you town reading me saying it was only a lean. I totally used the words town lean in my post. So that's a thing.
Trying to put time into two games at once, while working, fun fun
Just some Notes:
Don’t like GJ’s post #219, tbh I have no idea how that post could fly so over his head…
And post 221…
@Rodemy What do you think of GJ? As I have never played with him, and agree that playing too much on MU, might have hazardous affects on his play style… since their meta there is bloody bonkers…
Also you vote is bad… I mean I don’t necessarily scum read Osie, hes still pretty null…
But like why? Wtf is so wrong with early read lists? Feels like the start of a bad tunnel
And how does him being all town in those games mean nothing???
@Osie
You posting style is still pretty obnoxious tho… not gunna lie, like its why you got lynched in ZE, so Ill just leave you at neutral for now, unlike some other people
@DV
I believe you are town… but idk why you gotta push so hard on certain people lol, guess its good tho, because I town read vaimes now? went full Beeboy lol, really? U were part of that Beeboy incident also
@GJ
My posts being original or not, doesn’t make them any less true, u did not read that post, which clearly shows in ur response to it, also stop posting like this is MU, being overly aggressive wont do ***** for you here.
@Kami
Don’t know how I feel about Kami… sometimes I feel like he is two faced, his meta is all over the place
Idk if that’s a scum tell or not, still throws me off
Also this is not my scum game, @Vaimes, I was only fluffing a lot because I do that sometimes, and I was at work… (something tells me, you wont enjoy the way I play)
RVS is over but vote: Fuwa Hallo, FuFu-chan ^.^, are you scum?
@Osie what do you see that makes you think Kami could be scum here? I've kind of glazed over his posts.
Also earlier you told me to settle down about you town reading me saying it was only a lean. I totally used the words town lean in my post. So that's a thing.
Hard to explain on phone, remind me later if I don't get back to it. It's a tonal caution primarily though.
I noticed. But it seemed like you were taking it as more than just that.
If part of the reason that someone is scumreading you amounts to you being aggressive without much content, then being aggressive without much content in defense isn't so great.
I asked Shadow and he gave a non-answer, but until given any reason to believe otherwise, I'm figuring that scum do not have daychat and that you are caught and going off on your own. There is no reason to respond with such hostility either way.
Kami can be a wolf.
Just for you friend!
Doesn't sound like you're over it if you're throwing shade at me for no reason in a game where we're seemingly both townreading each other.
One part of a multi-faceted argument being wrong does not make the entire argument wrong unless the entire proof is proof of a negative. Which it was not.
But that's another game. Maybe we can play this one and not shade each other over old OoG history instead. Please and thank you.
Its that you strawmanned his argument.
He said if you started town posting he would probabally start giving you townie points. And a few town posts don't negate a few scum posts. You're literally asking for the switch to get flipped.
I made a bunch of bad posts, but this one town post I made negates the whole thing. He didn't say if you made some sort of confirmable town post he wouldn't town read you. He seemed to be saying that if you made town posts he would start slowly town reading you.
Why are you misconstruing his argument to be in the worst possible light?
Thanks.
Townclear earlygame? Like do something you do often as town (****in 8+ times for him) self meta your way to scum victory.
Tbh, johnny feels frustrated.
Where the hell did the scum daychst idea come from? I think.. vaimes??.. mentioned it and now osie.
I dont see any mentions of it being a thing anywhere.
How? All I've done since you neutraled me was ask you why you put so much depth into your neutral reads. Which really isn't enough to justify a town lean.
Lol.
If there's day chat, then GJ is marginally less likely to be scum, IMO.
You're giving me way too much credit. Thanks, I guess. It's nice to feel like people think I'm a good player sometimes.
I liked the attitude in that post. And I'm agreeing with your reads now, though I wish you'd explain them more. Also, it's a townlean, not a townread. Don't let it go to your head.
Its been 24 hours give it some time with him.
Fluffy uwu players are always in my blindspot.
The lack of confidence could be because he's scum. But I think he's not a good D1 lynch as of yet (or possibly ever).
What's your assessment on his drive-by?
254, 256, 255, 257-259, 261, 262, 260, 264, 265, 263
I've only seen him scum once. This is now outside his range but reads kind of townie for him.
@Fuwa Ohhhh! Heyo! Didn't recognize the moniker but yes I remember you. Thanks for the tip Osie.
Anyway general thoughts:
Osie is super try harding and I don't know what it means. But the effort level and seriousness is off the charts which is appreciated.
Vaimes and DV very unlikely to be both scum.
DV and GJ relatively unlikely to be both scum (don't know GJ well enough to lock that read in).
Dan reads town to me, but I don't hate tom and Osie pressuring him.
"Not outside" not "Now outside"
@Osie I explain important things (like trying to breakdown your reads wall motivations) but I mostly just drive by little things unless people are curious about them. What specifically do you feel like I'm not explaining?
Primarily your read on Kami (which I at least somewhat agree with), but also your vote on Vezok (which I don't agree with, though it could just be RVS).
Somebody remind me of this in like 200 more posts.
I've got some large thoughts this game, but I need to bide my time right now instead of setting off alarm bells in a few players who I am monitoring. This is bleh.
@DV (and anyone else for that matter) - What are your thoughts on Rodemy?
Grape, if you're town, bleed a little bit so I can bounce things off you
you're on my radar
Could be town could be scum.
They are one of the reasons I think there may be day chat. That turn around on the Tom connection thing was really fast, and reminded me a conversation I've had with a few people about Rodemy always busing really hard. If Rodemy flips scum, I'd consider Tom's scum odds to increase tenfold at least.
I think it might slightly indicate you may be scum as well. Since you would be one of the people that knows I've said this about Rodemy. I think its too good to be true though for three scum to fall into my lap over such a thing.
It could also be that Rodemy is hyper paranoid, because he knows he bussing and trying to get town points from it. I guess when I say Rodemy could be town its really from me worrying about tunneling him. But, right now hes pretty close to my highest scum read. Mostly from this perceived interaction by him.
I'm currently reevaluating GJ's posts.
That was actually just a joke. I don't have a read on Kami. Thought the spoiler made that clear guess it didn't.
@Vaimes I'm bad at bleeding town though. Well unless death is imminent. But the you/DV read is basically the same as the you/Iso read from F&E. It's not a town or scum tell for either of you but it's a not scum together one. The only exception I could see is DV legit losing his temper at a buddy who is bussing him (I know DV feels like he gets bussed more than town actually solves him) but in that scenario I'd expect you to have actually put a solid scum read on him which just isn't what happened at all.
Also earlier you told me to settle down about you town reading me saying it was only a lean. I totally used the words town lean in my post. So that's a thing.
Can we not game throw by "Scum reading people for saying wolf"?
Thanks.
Just some Notes:
Don’t like GJ’s post #219, tbh I have no idea how that post could fly so over his head…
And post 221…
@Rodemy What do you think of GJ? As I have never played with him, and agree that playing too much on MU, might have hazardous affects on his play style… since their meta there is bloody bonkers…
Also you vote is bad… I mean I don’t necessarily scum read Osie, hes still pretty null…
But like why? Wtf is so wrong with early read lists? Feels like the start of a bad tunnel
And how does him being all town in those games mean nothing???
@Osie
You posting style is still pretty obnoxious tho… not gunna lie, like its why you got lynched in ZE, so Ill just leave you at neutral for now, unlike some other people
@DV
I believe you are town… but idk why you gotta push so hard on certain people lol, guess its good tho, because I town read vaimes now?
went full Beeboy lol, really? U were part of that Beeboy incident also
@GJ
My posts being original or not, doesn’t make them any less true, u did not read that post, which clearly shows in ur response to it, also stop posting like this is MU, being overly aggressive wont do ***** for you here.
@Kami
Don’t know how I feel about Kami… sometimes I feel like he is two faced, his meta is all over the place
Idk if that’s a scum tell or not, still throws me off
Also this is not my scum game, @Vaimes, I was only fluffing a lot because I do that sometimes, and I was at work… (something tells me, you wont enjoy the way I play)
RVS is over but
vote: Fuwa Hallo, FuFu-chan ^.^, are you scum?
same difference, and stupid reason to scum read someone, or advocate someone getting pushed off a ledge
And I have no idea what w/w, v/v, s/s, or T/t mean.
WHEN DID THIS BECOME A GAME OF ACRONYMS EVERYONE DIE IM ABOUT TO JUMP OFF A LEDGE.
W/W or S/S just means posts between two people, feel like scum talking with scum
V/V or T/T just means posts between two people, feel like town talking with town
you can guess what W/V, or V/T means from that
idk what gutter is either, and im also not talking about the game from the perspective of the website, im talking about mafia the game, as a whole
Those aren't quite the right words but close enough
Villager
Villagers
Wolf, scum, town.
V is………vanillas?
You’ve clearly never heard of me.
Shadow is the mod there's probably daychat because he loves daychat
Hard to explain on phone, remind me later if I don't get back to it. It's a tonal caution primarily though.
I noticed. But it seemed like you were taking it as more than just that.
I play on a site where it's "faceless men" vs "innocents"
Oops. I meant to say:
Okay. I'll take another look at GJ before he started turning into a rotten pumpkin.
Maybe they messed with the API and everyone is going to have to reset their passwords before a 1 month hiatus... I kid.